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In the comment section beneath Jonathan Freedland’s CiF essay, “Gilad Shalit has been brought home to an Israel that has no plan for peace.“, there was this comment by someone using the moniker FreshNews:

The reasoning which informs such vitriol against Israel is nothing new to CiF Watch readers.  

One of the more prolific antisemites on the far left, Gilad Atzmon – who was given a platform by the Guardian several weeks ago – has written the following:

“There is no anti-Semitism any more. In the devastating reality created by the Jewish state, anti-Semitism has been replaced by political reaction. I am saying that these acts [vandalizing synagogues and Jewish cemeteries] should be seen as political responses rather than racially motivated acts or ‘irrational’ hate crimes. If Israel is the state of the Jewish people and the Jewish people themselves do not stand up collectively against the crimes that are committed on their behalf, then every Jewish person, Jewish symbol and Jewish object becomes an Israeli interest and a potential terrorist target….we should be consistent and regard any act against Jews as a political reaction rather than an irrational racist attack.”

CiF commentator, Medhi Hasan, has advanced a similar narrative:

 ”...the state of Israel – created ostensibly to protect Jews from across the world from hatred, prejudice and violence – through its actions today, and through its self-proclaimed role as the leader and home of world Jewry, provokes such awful anti-Semitic attacks against diaspora Jews.”

Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin had a great response, in an interview by David Frost, to the question of whether Israel’s actions provoke violence:

Begin told Frost that during his youth in Poland, he asked a group of Poles why they felt a need to beat up Jews, and they responded that the very presence of Jews was a “provocation.”

As such, it is a morally grotesque proposition to suggest that the actions, or mere presence, of Israel, causes or provokes antisemitism.  

While manifestations of antisemitism have varied throughout history, the one common thread which unites them all is that such bigotry existed as an a priori phenomenon, and was not informed by any particular Jewish behavior.  

Modern antisemites don’t gravitate towards Jew hatred as the result of Israeli behavior.  

The hatred of Jews has simply never been informed by such causation, nor any semblance of moral or political logic. 

No, what follows isn’t surprising to anyone familiar with the routine anti-Zionist vitriol spewed by Guardian readers beneath the line.

However, the following still should be noted as a perfect example of how Guardian readers are able to spin almost any news about Israel in way which assigns the maximum malice to the Jewish state.

Here are some reader responses beneath the line to Gilad Shalit exchange for Palestinian prisoners – live update“, Guardian, Oct. 18.

First, we see the beginning of a series of comments which make the almost incomprehensible argument that the deal to release Gilad Shalit in exchange for 1027 Palestinian terrorists is an example of Israeli racism!  When you read the comments you’ll see that these Guardian readers evidently believe the prisoner swap of one Israeli soldier for 1,027 Palestinian terrorists is evidence that Israel deems the lives of over Palestinians as only worth 1/1000th of an Israeli life.

First example of this narrative of Shalit’s release as evidence of Israeli racism. (44 Recommends)

The convoluted logic is almost comical, as it implies that the only non-racist act would be for Israel to release only one Palestinian terrorist in exchange for Shalit.  The mind spins at the moral reasoning which informs such an egregious fallacy, which fails to see that, in reality, what the prisoner exchange shows is that Israel was willing pay the moral and other costs (such as the pain such a deal will cause to the families who lost loved ones to the released terrorists) of freeing scores of terrorists responsible for the murder of 100s of Israelis, in exchange for getting one of its citizens back safely. 

But it continues (67 Recommends)

And, again. This is even more bizarre.  As if only a one for one trade would show that Israel views Muslim lives as equal. (5 Recommends)

Again, another nearly unintelligible rant which includes: “Zionism values Jewish fingernails over Palestinian cities”. (3 Recommends)

Again, this time it’s the Guardian which values Israelis more than non-Israels! (6 recommends)

But, there’s more contempt for Shalit and Israel beyond the bizarre theme that the deal for Shalit’s release shows that the deal for Shalit somehow demonstrates that the Jewish state doesn’t value Muslim life.

General contempt for Shalit: (10 Recommends)

The Jewish state was too cheap to take care of the 1027 Palestinian prisoners. (3 Recommends)

Reader upset more terrorist murderers weren’t released. (42 Recommends)

Rich and powerful American Zionists protect Israel from being prosecuted for war crimes. (24 Recommends)

A guest post by Mitnaged

This article is meant to complement Adam Levick’s and to supplement my previous account of a conference I attended in London about conspiracy theories.   It focuses on some of the below the line comments from those who I think show signs of being drawn to conspiracy theories, particularly about Israel and Jews, in their own words.

In my previous account I summarised the main entrenched beliefs of those who are likely to fall for conspiracy theories, namely that:

Everything is evil – there is invariably an assumption of malign intent (whereas, commonsensically, some conspiracy theories may be benign);

They reach far beyond the everyday – they are invariably over the top.

They evidence indiscriminate distrust – of the government, of other allegedly powerful groups

Every official explanation is a lie – “That’s what they want us to believe” and theorists do not believe evidence-based consensus. 

Everything is intended – there is the  assumption of hyper-competence on the part of conspirators who are perceived to be all-powerful – and that nothing happens by accident.

Everything is significant – inherent grandiosity of any theory.  (Real conspiracies are, by contrast, limited in scope)

Heroic strivings to seek out evidence – in the absence of positive objective proof

Small anomalies are imbued with crucial significance.

They are self-insulating and therefore very resistant to change, and are sealed off from impartial examination of the evidence, and they arise even before the full facts are known.

My focus is on the below the line comments to Jon Ronson’s articles on CiF about the internet  There is necessarily a small selection of the comments (I could, as they say, have gone on and on collecting more but am limited by space here) which evidence their writers’ lack of insight and critical thinking, the tendency to confuse thoughts and opinions with facts and to overgeneralise from the particular – all of which leave them wide open to be ensnared by conspiracy theories if they are not ensnared already.  Levick has already pointed up the role of CiF in cranking up the fears of these people and readers are cordially invited, if they feel so inclined, to play “spot the conspiracy theorist” below the line throughout CiF and to share their findings here.

Having said all that, readers should note how glad I am to have been able to include here some comments which evidence that their writers are capable of questioning and critical thought.

Dealing first with Part 1 of Esc Control on CiF:

Opportunities for paranoia begin in the first video – Ronson wants to make a film not to see whether people are trying to control the internet – his hypothesis is that they are trying to control it.  Note the buzz words -  “Clash of ideologies”,   “secret ways to control the internet”  but at least he admits that that point of view may be paranoid.

Nevertheless he plays on insecure people’s profound discomfort with “not knowing”, their lack of basic trust, their sense of powerlessness, their having an external locus of control, all of which can set vulnerable people up to see conspiracies where there are none.

And this first article succeeds in doing all that below the line, although this poster later asks Ronson for more information too:

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(Note that this person says he/she is not being paranoid, but note also the extreme language – that the internet has been “disabled” (but doesn’t say how) in order to “stop communication” (but doesn’t give examples).

The following may well not be from a conspiracy theorist  – it’s tempting to believe that he may have a point, not least because of the lack of rant and that his assumptions are precisely that – very importantly he does not claim that they are facts:


The next is a classic illustration of how CiF article has provided the fertile ground which attracts those unhealthily inclined to swallow conspiracy theories whole.   Note the reference to the ubiquitous “they” without mentioning who “they” are and how he knows that there is a “they”.  Note also “Wait till it happens to you…..” without describing what exactly happened to him:


The following seems a very sane and pertinent point, in contrast to jockyscot’s.   Note the wording – he wants to “explore” this “apparent” abuse of power (ie he is willing to admit doubt); and again he recognises that his is a hypothesis/supposition rather than a fact:


In the following example the poster suggests that we are all watching each other.  Not strictly within the realms of conspiracy theory perhaps but this person should be careful not to let imagination become fact without proof:

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H/T Margie

Us CiF Watchers “all over the world” were just waiting for the furious reaction by Guardian readers beneath the line of “Nobel Prize in Chemistry — Live Blog“, Guardian, Oct. 5, when they announced that an Israeli named Daniel Shechtman won the Nobel Prize in Chemistry for the discovery of quasicrystals

Sure enough, we didn’t have to wait long.

Yes, the Nobel Committee is definitely institutionally biased in favor of intelligence, ingenuity, and creativity, but my guess is that this isn’t the bias Bassim was talking about. 

Helpfully, another commenter asked for clarification:

Luckily, Bassim cleared it up for us:

Yes, we Israelis are f”ing the world all the time with our COLONIALIST patents and IMPERIALIST scientific & medical innovations.  

It’s just kind of who we are.

There is one thing which is certain when reading comments beneath the line at Comment is Free.

Any use of the word “Jew” or “Israel” in even the most apolitical context within CiF commentaries will almost always elicit animosity, in some form or another, from CiF readers, towards Jews or Judaism. 

Rabbi Naftali Brawer’s CiF essay, “Today is the time to ask what we are needed for, not what we need“, Sept. 30, is a case in point.

The fact that Brawer’s lucid meditation on the significance of the Jewish New Year – which suggests that this is a time for all people to ask what unique purpose they have in life – isn’t even remotely political presented no obstacle for CiF readers incensed by the mere suggestion of Judaism’s value.

First, there’s this completely off topic attack on Jewish tradition, which still hasn’t been deleted by CiF Moderators.

Then there was the suggestion, by another CiF commenter, of the problem of Jewish supremacism which also has not been deleted, despite being hateful, off topic and, as you’ll see, based on one single sentence from Brawer’s essay taken completely out of context.

Here is the full passage, from Brawer’s essay, which contains the sentence the CiF reader decided to focus on.

 Such as the following passage from the Talmud: “A human being creates many coins from the same die and they are all identical; the Supreme King of Kings, the Holy One blessed is He, coins all people from Adam’s die and not one looks like another. This is why every person must say ‘The world was created just for me’.”

So, do CiF moderators believe that the issue of “Jewish supremacism” is a legitimate question, and consistent with Guardian community standards?

Based on at least one Guardian report, by David Hearst, the answer would appear to be in the affirmative. 

Some frank clarity on this topic is overdue. 

As a follow-up to our post earlier, “CiF piece critical of Gilad Atzmon elicits storm of antisemitic comments, including organ theft libels“, we observed that some CiF readers have taken notice of our blog.

And, then there was this, by a commenter praising CiF Watch for holding CiF Moderators accountable:

Finally, here’s a comment by “wh1952″,  a reader who evidently was shocked to learn that his/her pro blood libel comment was noted by CiF Watch:

Here is the comment in question, by “wh1952“, which we published in our previous post:

Yes, as you can clearly see, our blog is so politically correct that we would condemn “out of hand” the charge that Israel murders Palestinians for the purpose of harvesting their organs.

Do charges by Alison Weir (and other sensitive anti-Zionist souls) that the medieval blood libel against Jews may indeed by historically accurate, and may help explain the recent organ harvesting charges against Israel, “have legs”?

Inquiring, un-PC, open-minded, liberal Guardian Left readers want to know.

H/T Margie

A good barometer of the depth of Judeophobia among many regular Guardian readers is observing how they respond to a CiF commentary condemning the most egregious and undeniable expressions of Jew hatred.

As such, the hostility towards Jews expressed in various forms by CiF readers in response to a commentary by Andy Newman “Gilad Atzmon, antisemitism and the left, Sept. 25, is a perfect illustration of this dynamic.

Newman, it should be noted, is a trade unionist and contributes to Socialist Unity website.  That is, he is a leftist in good standing – a fact that didn’t seem to at all protect him from a volley of hate and vitriol from Guardian readers outraged at any suggestion that there is a problem with antisemitism on the left.

Newman’s commentary focuses on Gilad Atzmon, whose bigotry towards Jews recalls the most classic expressions of Jew hatred and antisemitic conspiracy theories throughout history.

Here are a few quotes by Atzmon which demonstrate his anti-Jewish racism.

Jews trying to take over the world:

“we must begin to take the accusation that the Jewish people are trying to control the world very seriously…. American Jewry makes any debate on whether the ‘Protocols of the elder of Zion’ are an authentic document or rather a forgery irrelevant. American Jews do try to control the world, by proxy. So far they are doing pretty well for themselves at least.”

Jews were responsible for their persecution by Nazis:

“Jewish texts tend to glaze over the fact that Hitler’s March 28 1933, ordering a boycott against Jewish
stores and goods, was an escalation in direct response to the declaration of war on Germany by the
worldwide Jewish leadership.”

“Jewish lobbies certainly do not hold back when it comes to pressuring states, world leaders and even super powers. AIPAC’s behavior last week reminded me of the Jewish declaration of war against Nazi Germany in 1933.”

Israel is worse than Nazi Germany:

“We have heard the comparison between Israel and Nazi Germany. I don’t like this comparison because I really think that Israel is far worse than Nazi Germany.”

As you read the CiF comments below, also note that Newman’s commentary also mentioned, as another example of leftist antisemitism, Alison Weir, who published a piece at CounterPunch defending the libels advanced by the Swedish newspaper Aftonbladet about Israeli soldiers murdering Palestinians in Gaza to harvest their organs. 

(It’s worth noting that the writings of Atzmon have recently received an unqualified endorsement from John Mearsheimer, the darling of the Israel lobby- fearing left.)

Here is a sample of some of the commentary beneath the line of Newman’s commentary.

Support, to varying degrees, of Israeli organ theft libel:

Zionists support greater antisemitism, as they see it as benefiting Israel.

Criticisms of Atzmon is a cynical attempt to silence all critiques of the Jewish right wing. Commenter endorses Norman Finkelstein.

Atzmon is not antisemitic at all. He is, rather, a compassionate and wise man whose words are just taken out of context and selectively edited.

Neuman’s essay is part of Zionist neocon campaign to smear Atzmon, who is merely revealing the world’s most sinister and racist ideology – Zionism.

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Whenever CiF fills its meager quota of essays which advance the heterodox view that Israel is actually not a ruthless villain, the righteous indignation by Guardian readers is typically fast and furious.

Today’s CiF commentary by Israeli MK Einat Wilf, “This UN bid for statehood will not help the Palestinian cause“, is no exception.

Here are a couple of responses beneath the line to Wilf’s commentary:

Leader of Zionist group in pre-state Israel wanted Hitler to win.  Also, bonus antisemitic comment: Jewish groups control the U.S. government. (11 Recommends)

Another commenter advancing the view that Jews supported Hitler during the war, while adding that modern day Israeli Jews are similarly “inhumane pricks”. (7 Recommends)

As of this post, these vile comments have not been deleted by CiF Moderators.

Berchmans is a frequent commenter beneath the line at CiF, and, as we’ve noted previously, though typically a man of few words, the words he does use are usually guaranteed to be used to vilify Israel and the state’s Jewish supporters.

Berchmans recently commented beneath a commentary by the Guardian’s Simon Tisdall, “Erdogen plays Palestinian savior, but what about the Kurds?“, Sept. 21.

In response to a commenter who argued that “Turkey must compensate the Armenian people for its deliberate genocide by Turkey…the Armenians’ children are still waiting”, Berchmans, never one to let the actual topic of a CiF commentary stand in the way of expressions of hatred towards Israel, wrote:

So, to Berchmans’, the IDF’s job is to kill and inflict suffering upon innocent Palestinian children.

While such a comment is clearly hateful and off-topic, it’s also (as its not been deleted) evidently consistent with the “community standards” at Comment is Free.

The comments beneath the line of Tareq Baconi’s Only Palestinians can create a new Palestine“, CiF, Sept. 15th, included the requisite number of comments (many of which were deleted) hostile to Israel’s very existence.  However, it also included this cheerful exchange among anti-Zionist allies, which has not been deleted.

So, this debate boils down to whether the Jewish state is Genocidal or merely racist, colonialist, expansionist, violent and destructive. 

Actually, more than a few Guardian contributors have characterized Israel using the same or similar language, so I guess it’s fair to say that the hateful exchange between KevinYearwood and GenuineLeft would clearly not run afoul of CiF community standards.

In a recent CiF Watch post I demonstrated the hypocrisy of New Statesman senior editor Medhi Hasan who, in a recent CiF piece, How the fear of being criminalised has forced Muslims into silence“, Sept. 8, sanctimoniously condemned post 9/11 bigotry against Muslims.

I noted that Hasan is on record referring to atheists who don’t believe in Islam as immoral, lacking intelligence, and similar to “cattle”.

Prior to my CW post, I made a similar point beneath the line in Hasan’s CiF commentary.

 

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My comment eventually garnered more than 40 recommends before it was deemed inconsistent with Guardian “community standards”.

My comment wasn’t in any way ad hominem, and merely noted Hasan’s own words to demonstrate that he has absolutely no credibility when it comes to condemning intolerance. When you refer to non-believers as “cattle” you do more than merely demonize them, you suggest that they are subhuman.

So, please tell me, what possible justification was there for CiF moderators to delete my comment?

 

I was about to post on yet another inexplicable deletion by CiF moderators of a pro-Israel comment beneath the line of today’s Guardian editorial, “Israel and Turkey: sailing into choppy waters“, when I came across this:

This reader’s comment – suggesting that CiF moderators are pro-CiF Watch – is especially enjoyable in light of our post yesterday about a Guardian reader who suggested to Bella Mackie (Alan Rusbridger’s daughter), in a CiF open forum, that CiF Watch may have agents placed in key positions at the Guardian.

While it’s certainly flattering that the anti-Israel Left may entertain notions of our blog’s global Zionist subterfuge, and conjure a grassroots media watchdog whose tentacles have even managed to penetrate a UK media Goliath as hostile to Israel as the Guardian, the notion that CiF moderators (who routinely delete comments with links to CiF Watch posts) are biased in favor of CiF Watch is simply hilarious.   

Oh, wait, this just in!

On Sunday, August 21st, Lauren Booth joined hundreds of marchers at the Al Quds Day terror rally organised by the Islamic Human Rights Commission in London’s Trafalgar Square, who swore their allegiance to Hamas and Hezbollah.

Among the placards seen at the rally, were:

  • “Israel Your Days are Numbered”
  • “Death to Israel”
  • “Down down Israel”
  • “For World Peace Israel Must Be Destroyed”
  • “The World Stopped Nazism, The World Must Stop Zionism”

As the Stephen Roth Institute said of the IHRC:

IHRC is a radical Islamist organization that uses the language and techniques of a human rights lobbying group to promote an extremist agenda. Formed in 1997…the IHRC supports jihad groups around the world, campaigns for the release of convicted terrorists and promotes the notion of a western conspiracy against Islam. [Leaders of the] IHRC subscribe to the radical Islamist belief that Jewish conspiracies are afoot to undermine Muslims, and they liken Jews and Israelis to Nazis. Members of the IHRC’s board of advisors have even called on Muslims to kill Jews.

Typically, the Guardian didn’t so much as mention the organized pro-terror, hate march.

But, on August 23rd they published a commentary at CiF by David Miller, “Thinktanks must drop this Cold War approach to Islamism” which not only downplayed the threat posed by the radicalization of Britain’s Muslims, but argued that the greater threat is the rise of Islamophobia as the result of such anti-radicalization efforts.

Specifically, Miller vilifies “Conservative thinktanks” for ignoring the threat posed by radical right groups, and for focusing so heavily on Islamism, which he breezily dismisses as “the catch-all term for politically active Muslims“, and further warns that such concerns may “end up condemning the peaceful political activism of Muslim groups” – such as, presumably, the “politically active” Muslim groups who “peaceably” marched against Israel’s existence in London’s Trafalgar Square on Sunday.

Miller’s white wash of the threat posed by radical Islam in the UK elicited quite a few comments beneath the line, but one commenter’s take was particularly worth noting, as it represents how such CiF commentary emboldens those who subscribe to such radicalism.

A commenter using the moniker “moretheylie“, had a field day defending Islamism while many who were critical of such views had their comments deleted by CiF moderators.

Here are few of “moretheylie’s comments, which serve as an instructive case study in such a extremist world view.

Here, right away, “moretheylie” leverages the CiF narrative to deflect attention away from radical Islam and pivots nicely to his true aim, Zionists – and makes the ludicrous argument that EDL was created as a street militia for Neocons and Zionists.  


Then, when called out on his gratuitous attack on Zionism, “moretheylie” responds with even more fictitious charges – this time leveling the bizarre accusation that the EDL has forged links with the “(USA) Zionist Federation”.  (Of note, there is no such organization as the the USA Zionist Federation) Again, another off-topic conspiratorial attack on Zionists which was not deleted. 

When again called out on his anti-Israel obsession, he makes a strange and rather telling semantic argument – namely, that he’s not talking about Israel or Jews at all, merely “Zionism”.  

Then, responding to another critique, “moretheylie”, piggybacking on Miller’s downplaying of the radical ideology, suggests that “Islamism”, as its commonly understood, is a mere figment of the “Neocon” imagination.

Then, when called out on the extreme homophobia practiced in states informed by Islamic law, “moretheylie” reassured readers that gays are executed in Iran not due to their homosexual orientation per se, but, rather, their homosexual acts – which, I’m sure, is very comforting for Iran’s LGBT community!

Finally, “moretheylie”, and the author of the CiF essay, is challenged on their refusal even to accept that that Islamism is distinct from Muslims, nor that you can be highly critical of the former without demonizing the latter. And, “moretheylie’s” reply: That “neocon” journalists and the Zionist Federation propagate lies about Islamism, which is merely a construct, and that this cabal is responsible for the terrorist acts of  Anders Behring Brevik.

Comment is Free: clearly the platform of choice for Islamist apologists and anti-Zionist conspirators.   

Roy Greenslade’s post, Al-Jazeera bureau chief arrested in Israel, Guardian, Aug. 16, produced a paltry number of comments, but it did elicit this by “Sorcey“.

In response to Sorcey there was this by HushedSilence:

HushedSilence16 August 2011 11:28AM

Re: “The only things that have occurred recently is more building by Israel in the West Bank and East Jerusalem”

Jews building houses in an area where Jews already live, is a matter for international concern.

Re: “IDF strikes on Gaza.”

Though of course you wouldn’t be aware that this is in retaliation for the rockets and mortar strikes on civilian areas in Israel and the damage and injuries done because that’s so unimportant that the Guardian doesn’t report them.

And, then.

So, apparently, glib accusations of Israeli racism and brutality – in response to a story where few details are available – are perfectly acceptable, but a rebuttal to the defamation, which also dares to criticize the Guardian, runs afoul of their “community standards.”

Anne Karpf’s CiF piece on Aug. 5, France and the Holocaust: A return of the repressed, focused on a new French film, Sarah’s Key, and the reluctance of the nation to honestly come to terms with the deportation, by French Authorities, of 13,000 French Jews in 1942 – only 25 of whom survived.

Not surprisingly, the piece elicited a high volume of comments beneath the line.

Among the comments was this, by HushedSilence, responding to another commenter’s thinly veiled criticism of the influence of Jews in Hollywood – but adding an equally pertinent observation regarding the Guardian’s well-documented disproportionate focus on Israel.

And, then, well, not only can’t my primitive screen capture software take a snapshot of empty space, I couldn’t even find a funny representation of nothingness on Google Images.

The comment wasn’t simply deleted – a CiF moderator act which produces the commenter’s moniker and time of comment – but literally vanished without a trace.

Then there was this comment by MacManus on the phases of European anti-Semitism, which included an observation about the pernicious influence of the Guardian’s well-known ideological orientation.

Again, vanished.

As we’ve learned, comment may be free but criticism of the Guardian is forbidden.  

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