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H/T Margie

At this blog we spend quite a bit of time monitoring the comments below the line at ‘Comment is Free’ checking for antisemitism and the broader problem of biased moderation.  Specifically, we often observe pro-Israel comments deleted, or pro-Israel commenters banned and/or placed in pre-moderation, while Israel haters, or those engaging in Judeophobic commentary, seem far less likely to suffer such Guardian sanctions.  

A commenter who uses the moniker Berchmans is a great example of this latter dynamic.

He hasn’t been banned or, it seems, placed in pre-moderation despite comments which include:

  • Suggesting that Hollywood and the media have pandered to Israel in advancing their Zionist narrative
  • Arguing that the charge of “Holocaust denial” is merely a cynical means to tar any criticism of Israel with the false charge of antisemitism.
  • Opining that: “modern antisemitism is an IDF-related phenomena”
  • Frequently suggesting darkly that Zionists engage in an orchestrated assault on opinion at ‘Comment is Free’
  • Suggestions that Hamas’ charter is not antisemitic
  • Implications that Hamas is justified in hating Jews
  • Expressing general antipathy towards Jews

More recently, he offered a possible explanation for why Jews may be hated. (For a more prolific voice, published routinely at ‘Comment is Free’ above the line, justifying antisemitism, see our profile on Ben White.)

Commenting below an essay by Fiachra Gibbons: Toulouse shootings: race, religion and murder, March 19, Berchmans, responding to another commenter, wrote:

So, in a CiF commentary about the murder of four innocent Jews, which included three young children, outside a Jewish school in France, Berchmans offers advice on the Jewish moral deficits which may help us “understand” antisemitism, and includes a “cheeky” reply to the specter of Israel’s demise.

Not banned. Evidently not in pre-moderation.

Here are a couple ‘Comment is Free’ emails if you want to register your complaint – in the context of their “community standards” – about the seeming impunity enjoyed by this commenter who routinely expresses palpable antipathy towards Jews.  (Here’s a link to Berchmans’ CiF User Profile.)

comment@guardian.co.uk

community.suggestions@guardian.co.uk

 

H/T Pretzelberg

Beneath Jonathan Freedland’s CiF essay on March 6, Netanyahu and Obama’s prickly alliance on Iran, was this comment by a Guardian reader using the moniker, “MaggiesMemoirs“.

The comment (which garnered 10 Recommends before being deleted), evoking supremely arrogant Zionists squelching free speech in the West, and, threatening untold, and seeming unimaginably violent (“Ground-Zero” style) revenge against such Zionist oppressors did not result in a suspension of his/her user privileges.  

It is extremely disturbing that CiF moderators (who have suspended Zionist commenters for such shocking Guardian apostasies as daring to link to CiF Watch) have allowed a commenter who threatened mass violence against “Zionists” (or, at least, characterized such a calamity as inevitable, and a just outcome) to continue contributing at ‘Comment is Free’.

Evidently, as long as you don’t explicitly say “death to Jews”, such thinly veiled threats do not violate CiF’s sacred “community standards.”

I originally thought about posting this Guardian reader comment, posted beneath the line of the CiF essay ”Netanyahu and Obama’s prickly alliance against Iran, Jonathan Freedland, March 6, despite the fact that I assumed it would be deleted by CiF moderators. But, 27 hours after being posted, it’s still there. 

The commenter using the moniker theolderb” (whose real name is listed as Stephen Barraclough) is concerned that his suggestion that Jews are a “belligerent” race would make him sound racist.

Evidently, CiF moderators don’t think so.

H/T Margie

According to his ‘Comment is Free’ profile, Ray Allott is a 66-year-old man who has commented at CiF on essays relating to such socially progressive topics as Energy, Pollution and Renewable energy. 

In his spare time, Ray enjoys cycling and motor caravanning in France.

Now for his closeup.

Ray Allott

Seems like a nice enough fellow.

However, we learned today that when he’s not cycling, enjoying the winding roads of France’s beautiful countryside, and opining on the the importance of Eco-Friendly polices, he finds time to elucidate on an all together different kind of pollutant – of the Zionist variety.   

Commenting under the Guardian’s blog on the AIPAC conference”Barack Obama and Binyamin Netanyahu talks – as it happens, March 6, Ray wrote the following:

Ray’s comment was deleted by CiF moderators.

But, it gets better.

It seems that Ray has a Facebook profile which allows Zionist trolls like myself to see his friends, interests, photos, and status updates.  Well, evidently, Ray was none too pleased with having his inalienable right to compare Jews to Nazis curtailed, and posted this

 

Ray Allott: Yet another tragic victim of the Zionist Guardian.

Below the line of Jane Eisner’s CiF commentary, “President Barack Obama’s calibrated AIPAC message, was this comment by serial Israel hater, and Jew baiter, Berchmans, responding to a passage from Eisner’s essay about Netanyahu’s relationship with Obama.

Imagine if a commenter had suggested that President Obama is morally subhuman? Is there any chance the comment would not have been deleted?

If you click on our Berchmans link, you’ll see a CiF commenter who:

  • Claims Ahmadinejad has not, in fact, denied the Holocaust,
  • Claims Iran is not pursing nuclear weapons
  • Endorses the views of Norman Finkelstein
  • Suggests that Hollywood and the media have pandered to Israel in advancing their Zionist narrative
  • Argues that the charge of “Holocaust denial” is merely a cynical means to  tar any criticism of Israel with the false charge of antisemitism.
  • Says: “modern antisemitism is an IDF-related phenomena”
  • Opines that Zionists engage in an orchestrated assault on opinion at ‘Comment is Free’
  • Suggests that Hamas’ charter is not antisemitic
  • Implies that Hamas is justified in hating Jews

Berchmans has not been banned or, unlike many pro-Israel commenters, to the best of our knowledge, been placed in pre-moderation.

The hate spewed by this commenter towards Israel, and the state’s Jewish supporters, with impunity, represents a perfect example of the biased moderation at ‘Comment is Free’.

A guest post by AKUS

The heavily critiqued commentary by the wife of terrorist Khadar Adnan (My husband, Khadar Adnan has shed a light on Israel’s disregard for human rights, CiF, Feb. 22) drew two unusual interventions by Becky Gardiner, who’s described as “the editor of the Guardian comment pages”.  (I take it, in passing, that this abbreviated description of what once included the words ‘Comment is Free’ can be considered recognition of what we have all known for some time –“Comment is Free” may adorn the masthead, but free comment is not allowed).

Dozens of angry, cynical, and shocked comments were deleted by the moderators (others completely vanished without a trace) in a counterattack on commenters. Their efforts were apparently designed to remove any reference they could find to the video of Adnan in the BTL comments that showed him calling for volunteers to become suicide bombers, or referring to him as a terrorist:

The disgust shown by dozens of commenters and the incredible number of deletions used to try to control the horrified crowd must have caused a panic at Guardian HQ. When the clamor of commenters asking why it had been published and why the Guardian supported a terrorist reached uncontrollable levels, Becky Gardiner, editor of the Comment pages, decided it was time to step in.

Rather than stepping in, she stepped right into it, up to her eyebrows, with the following ludicrous attempt to defend her decision to publish (commission?) the article:

Gardiner’s comment was such a transparent attempt to deflect the criticism by spinning the rationale behind this article and twisting the argument to one of a fair trial that it drew howls of cynical laughter from readers other than the 22 sycophants who were loudly praising this terrorist wife and her husband.

There were ten responses to her post. Three were immediately deleted. Here are samples from the responses to her attempt to justify the article by invoking “interesting to hear … comment from a variety of perspectives” and, apropos nothing relevant to the criticism, “the right of everyone to a fair trial” (which Israeli body responsible for Adnan’s detention said he would not get a fair trial?).

  • Perhaps one of Osama Bin Laden’s wives could do a piece next week?
  • I’m still waiting for a piece by a member of the EDL however.
  • I’m sure Assad’s wife Asma would be interested in submitting a comment piece – it could be called ‘ A wife’s perspective- Syria-the Untold Story’ .
  • What I do despise though, and what makes me despair of this paper is that you are apparently planning to publish the – uncommented – piece in the print version of you paper. Are you sure The Guardian still has a grip w.r.t. what it actually wants to stand for?
  • Well I don’t normally comment on I/P keech but this is a stonker of a stinker.

This comment stood out:

Gardiner has never apparently heard that when you are in a hole you should stop digging. Or, possibly she is so brainwashed with the Guardian warped world view she genuinely does not understand that praising terrorists just because they attack Israel is unacceptable. So she tried again after “external” took her to task:

 

And, of course, what Adnan is said to have done, and we have a video of him doing just that, is at the very least inciting others to terrorism.

Gardiner then made the following utterly incredible response, breathtaking in its falsehood and awe-inspiring in her belief that readers would accept her claim that the Guardian “wouldn’t simply repeat allegation made on the internet”

This brought down the house:

  • … most readers will always be disgusted by puff-pieces for people who advocate violence and murder against innocent civilians.
  • Becky, when can we expect similar articles of wives of people also held in prison without charge in the UK?
  • Did I read right? The Guardian does not use material gleaned from the Internet? Most CiF articles contain allegations, suppositions, theories, quotes and all sorts of other screeds obtainable from internet sites.

No one asked her to “repeat the allegations made on the internet. The Guardian should have left the video and references to  Adnan’s terrorist career to speak for themselves.

Of course, you need only look at the rolling ME blog to see video after video from the internet posted there. Neither the Guardian nor I have the slightest reason to doubt the validity of the allegations against Assad that these videos and commentary provide. We have had a year of videos and blogs from Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria showing the violence there and the allegations against this or that politician or person, all quite acceptable, and eagerly published by the Guardian. The allegations made against Tony Blair in the Guardian could fill a telephone directory. The vicious article condemning Israeli politicians are left standing.

But when it comes to a terrorist who belongs to a jihadi group dedicated by its own platform to the destruction of Israel and the murder of its Jews, is videoed calling for suicide bomb volunteers to kill Israelis wherever they can, a different and higher standard is suddenly applied.

Gardiner could not even bring herself to wimp out by writing “alleged” terrorist, but had to continue to twist and turn in the gale of criticism, and try to spin the story and lie about her motives in a way that only the most utterly naïve or biased could accept. She apparently believes that if the lie is big enough, and repeated often enough, even others than Berchmans will eventually believe it.

Though the Guardian’s editorial (Syria: Russia on the wrong side, Feb. 7), critical of Russia (and China) for preventing the adoption of a watered down UN Security Council Resolution condemning Syria for its continuing civilian massacres, didn’t - unlike David Hearst – weave Israel into the narrative, that didn’t stop committed CiF readers from unleashing their righteous anger in a Zionist direction.

Here’s a comment by “PeteLoud” on Israeli control of U.S. and (therefore) UK foreign policy:

Yeah, I know, another day, another obsessive anti-Zionist conspiracy theory.  Why sweat it? Well, occasionally such Israel Obsessive Compulsive Disorder-ridden CiFers can elicit quite pithy rejoinders, such as the following: 

Further, PeteLoud’s original comment hasn’t been deleted and more than a few other commenters managed to weave Israel into the conversation. So, considering that ‘Comment is Free’ has a staff of moderators whose job it is to delete hateful and off-topic comments, it doesn’t seem, based on my review of the 178 comments so far, that they’ve done a very good job.

I’ll resist my urge to use the site Wordle again, but here are the results of my quick search on the number of times the following words have been used beneath the line:

Syria: 168

Russia: 179

China: 58

Israel: 56

As China was one of the antagonists in the Guardian editorial, and Israel has nothing whatsoever to do with the broader issue, it’s fair to say the Guardian’s professional moderators haven’t done a very good job of keeping the conversation on topic.

But, the story doesn’t end here.

I clicked on the link provided in PeteLoud’s ‘Comments is Free’ user profile, which took me to his personal website.  And, it looks like Peter Loud (evidently his real name) is a lover of maps, photographs, and edgy political imagery.

Here’s a snapshot of the bottom of his home page:

As if we needed further evidence that our friend Pete sees Israel as a Nazi state, here’s a passage from his site’s “Palestine page“:

Quite simply Israel and U.S.A. are evil just as Nazi Germany and the Khmer Rouge were before them.

Yesterday, as I wrote that, the Israelis were firing tank shells into a U.N. school in which civilians were sheltering. At least 40 were killed and another 55 wounded. As I said, Israel and America who provided them with the weapons are evil terrorist states.
* The Guardian – Gaza’s day of carnage – 40 dead as Israelis bomb two UN schools
* The Independent – Robert Fisk: Why do they hate the West so much, we will ask - This is essential reading
* The Guardian – Israel accused of delaying medical access to injured
* The Guardian – Israel shelled Palestinians after evacuating them, UN says

The fact that three out of four of Pete’s recommended links to prove Israel’s Nazi nature are from the Guardian are, OF COURSE, of no particular significance.

As comedian Jeff Foxworthy used to say during his comic musings on life in the American South, “You know you’re a redneck when….” 

Well, a Guardian reader using the moniker “genuineLeft” is an Israel hater (who has characterized Zionism as a “racist, colonialist, expansionist, violent ideology” which may one day be “genocidal”) who continues to demonstrate the strong overlap between anti-Zionism and antisemitism.

Beneath the line of Rodge Glass’s rather restrained CiF commentary on the recent CST report demonstrating an increase of antisemitic incidents in the Manchester area, genuineLeft opined as follows, (a comment which received 50 Recommends):

GenuineLeft’s annoyance is clearly directed at those who “ridiculously” condemn those Jews [like Atzmon] who engage in benign, sober and constructive criticism about the threat posed to humanity by world Jewry: a group, per Atzmon, who is literally trying to take over the world in a manner quite consistent with the sinister Semitic designs outlined in the unfairly derided Protocols of the Elders of Zion, and boldly confronted by historically misunderstood prophets like Adolf Hitler.

The comment hasn’t been deleted by CiF moderators which made me wonder whether a reader comment endorsing the views of a Neo-Nazi such as David Duke (who just so happens to be a fan of Atzmon’s brave stance against the international Jewish onslaught) would similarly remain on the thread.

No, I would never, ever, of course, suggest, under any circumstances that anyone engage in the universally discredited practice of “trolling” to test my curiosity – online apostasy which would clearly run afoul of ‘Comment is Free’s’ sacred community standards – but, merely, asking a question (ahem…screenshot…ahem) that I’d love to get a definitive answer to.

Perhaps to fill their quota of CiF essays not viscerally hostile to the U.S., and Israel’s very existence, the Guardian published “A covert campaign is the only way stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions“, by Andrew Cummings – an adviser on the Middle East and US affairs in the UK cabinet office national security staff. 

Cummings argues that a negotiated settlement needs a comprehensive strategy, including covert action, increasingly robust sanctions, along with a credible threat of military action.

The author also pointed out the following politically inconvenient fact:

“Through the Revolutionary Guards, “Iran has been responsible for increasing the efficacy of insurgent improvised bombs in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It has helped to prop up Bashar al-Assad’s murderous regime in Syria and has a track record of attempting to assassinate or imprison its enemies – both at home and abroad.”

True to form, the merry band of Iran defenders whose Guardian-style politics can be pretty much summed up as “the enemy of the US and Israel are by definition deserving of sympathy”, immediately pounced on Cummings’ heterodox pro-Western views, often leveling clear ad hominem attacks on the author which have curiously not been deleted.

(I’ve read the first 202 comments posted thus far, and would gauge those militantly opposed to Cummings’ views in the 90-95% range, many of which are openly hostile to any suggestion that the West should challenge Iran’s aspirations for regional hegemony.)

Cummings is a Mossad agent who should be imprisoned or exiled (12 Recommends, not deleted)

Another accusation that Cummings is a Mossad Agent (10 Recommends)

U.S. and Israel are terrorists and war criminals (41 recommends)

The U.S. and Israel are a blight on the human race (22 recommends) 

Iran should be seen as a check against the bullying and hegemony of the U.S and its allies. (23 Recommends)

Cummings is closer to an al-Qaeda terrorist than a civilized human being (25 Recommends)

Israel is an aggressive, jingoistic country which constantly murders innocent civilians (6 Recommends)

Cites conspiracy theory, including the suggestion that Israel lobby is behind assassinations

Perhaps Israeli leaders should be assassinated (8 Recommends)

And, finally, for some comic relief, here’s Berchmans, on the secret war mongering agenda of the “buffoons” at (multiple?) anti-CiF sites!

One of CiF Watch’s signature posts is “Why was this deleted” and, alternately, “Why wasn’t this deleted”?

We spend quite a bit of time monitoring comments beneath the line at ‘Comment is Free’ observing what precisely runs afoul of their “community standards”, and have documented scores of examples of pro-Israel comments being deleted, while some of the most hateful anti-Zionist vitriol remains.

Beyond the narrow issue of deleted comments, however, there are some commenters whose apostasy has rendered them in a state of pre-moderation – where CiF Moderators review, and then release, on a case by case basis, only those comments deemed acceptable.

The last strike for unruly CiF commenters is to have their user privileges permanently suspended due to an especially egregious violation, or pattern of violations, of their norms.

We recently documented two cases in which such a ban was employed – one commenter for merely questioning whether an essay by Sunny Hundal was consistent with Guardian editorial guidelines, and another for simply asking CiF Moderators why his/her comments, noting the Islamist (pro-Muslim Brotherhood) sympathies of CiF contributor, Wajahat Ali, were being deleted.

While the latter example seemingly demonstrates that the Guardian is not about to have their consistent licensing of pro-Islamist voices – who espouse views they evidently deem consistent with “liberal” thought – questioned, the former suggests an institution which is, at the very least, remarkably thin-skinned.

In light of this propensity by CiF Moderators to ban users for content they deem offensive, the following comment, beneath the line of s CiF essay on Dec. 22, “Iraq must divide to survive“, which  has not been deleted, nor resulted in the commenter being banned, is especially curious.

Is there any question this commenter is referring to Tony Blair?  And, further, is there any doubt that the commenter using the moniker “ChanceyGardener” is suggesting that Blair be killed?

Here are a few CiF standards, from their ‘Community standards and guidelinespage, which would seem relevant when assessing comments calling for murder:

We understand that people often feel strongly about issues debated on the site, but we will consider removing any content that others might find extremely offensive or threatening.

We welcome debate and dissent, but personal attacks (on authors, other users or any individual), persistent trolling and mindless abuse will not be tolerated. 

…we do ask users to find ways of sharing their views that do not feel divisive, threatening or toxic to others.

So, the suggestion that a former British Prime Minister should be executed: “divisive”, “threatening”, or “toxic”?

You think?! 

A CiF commenter wrote the following beneath the line of Sunny Hundal’s essay (“Privatising Margaret Thatcher’s funeral would be a fitting tribute to her legacy“) which argued that the future funeral for the still living former British PM should be privatized.

Here are a few extracts from the Guardian’s “community standards” policy

1. We welcome debate and dissent, but personal attacks (on authors, other users or any individual), persistent trolling and mindless abuse will not be tolerated. The key to maintaining the Guardian website as an inviting space is to focus on intelligent discussion of topics.

How precisely is a jokey article about a living person’s impending death consistent with this community standard?

By my count, about half the comments here should be deleted on this ground, alone. But nasty comments about somebody dying – as soon as possible – have been invited by the tone of this piece.

3. We understand that people often feel strongly about issues debated on the site, but we will consider removing any content that others might find extremely offensive or threatening. Please respect other people’s views and beliefs and consider your impact on others when making your contribution.

Again, it is hard to think of a more offensive thing than glorying in the prospect of somebody’s death. But that’s a fair characterisation of about half the comments on this thread.

5. We will not tolerate racism, sexism, homophobia or other forms of hate-speech, or contributions that could be interpreted as such. We recognise the difference between criticising a particular government, organisation, community or belief and attacking people on the basis of their race, religion, sex, gender, sexual orientation, disability or age.

I would have thought jokes about a very old person being about to die constitutes “attacking people on the basis of their … age”

In short:

- If you act with maturity and consideration for other users, you should have no problems. 
– Don’t be unpleasant. Demonstrate and share the intelligence, wisdom and humour we know you possess.
– Take some responsibility for the quality of the conversations in which you’re participating. Help make this an intelligent place for discussion and it will be.

Joking about a living person’s death is a wonderful display of intelligence, wisdom and humour, and is in no way unpleasant .

I’d be interested to see if the Guardian actually applies its own moderation policy.

Then:

Then, if you look for the user’s profile, you get this.

That’s right. A user was completely banned for questioning whether ‘Comment is Free’ was abiding to their own “community standards”.

Perhaps the paper is a little on edge in light of recent highly embarrassing revelations that the biggest “scoop” of their obsessive phone hacking coverage – which claimed, in a sensationalized cover story, that a News of the World reporter deleted messages left on the voicemail of Milly Dowler’s mobile phone – was patently untrue!

Indeed, two days ago, the Guardian published a correction, noting that no less than 37 Guardian stories had been revised due to the above false report.

And, they’re worried about a single commenter under a CiF thread, questioning whether the institution is abiding by its own stated guidelines?

Thin-skinned and hypocritical are two terms, among many, which certainly seem apt in characterizing the ethically challenged “liberal” broadsheet. 

As I observed the last time I commented on a CiF piece by Wajahat Ali, the commentator plays the Islamophobia card so liberally that he even characterized the U.S. Government’s prosecution of the Holy Land Foundation (HLF) as an example of anti-Muslim racism.

Far from a racist witch hunt, the FBI prosecution of HLF for the “charity” group’s ties to terrorism resulted in five convictions - including “conspiracy to provide material support to a foreign terrorist organization (Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood), providing material support to a foreign terrorist, and conspiracy to commit money laundering”.

The case was dubbed the “largest terrorism financing prosecution in American history”.

Ali can be seen here contributing essays to the English website of the Muslim Brotherhood. One such essay included, in the “related article” section beneath an Ali piece, an essay titled “Israel is Effecting Holocaust in Gaza“. 

For those unaware of the MB, you can see the group’s spiritual leader, Sheik Yousuf al-Qaradawi, in a released WikiLeaks cable, asking Allah to kill every last Jew on earth.

Undaunted, CiF again commissioned Ali to opine on American Islamophobia, in “Lowe’s pulls TV ads – and gives a Christmas gift to Target et all“, Dec. 14, on the decision by the American retail chain to pull its advertising from TLC’s reality TV show “All-American Muslim”.

While Lowe’s decision certainly seems, on the face of it, entirely unjustifiable, it’s reasonable to question why CiF would choose someone affiliated with the MB to opine on bigotry in the U.S. – especially while not revealing the author’s Islamist sympathies.

Here’s one comment left by a reader beneath the line of Ali’s commentary.

WWMichaelPalinDo

14 December 2011 1:31PM

 

Wajahat

I absolutely agree that it is absurd and obnoxious to withdraw advertising from All-American Muslim: a show which follows very integrated and largely non practicing Muslims in America.

A stupider or nastier decision it would be hard to find.

HOWEVER, I’m very concerned by your own politics. Here is an article you wrote in the Guardian a couple of years ago, slamming the successful prosecution of the Holy Land Foundation

The HLF trial uncovered a significant network of funding, propagandising and political fronts for Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood in the USA. Those fronts were explicitly set up for two purposes:

1. To demolish the Oslo peace initiatives; and

2. The secure Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood leadership of US Muslim community politics.

One of the most remarkable pieces of evidence in the Holy Land Foundation trial was this document, entitled “On the General Strategic Goal for the Group in North America.” :

The Ikhwan must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within and ‘sabotaging’ its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated and God’s religion is made victorious over all other religions.

These Hamas/Muslim Brotherhood fronts included some organisations which I understand you’ve been involved with yourself.

Now look. Most people here will stand up against rabble rousing and bigotry towards Muslims. However, it really does not help to have the case against Muslim-bating made by somebody with your politics.

CiF moderator Isabella Mackie (who, for those unaware, is Guardian Editor Alan Rusbridger’s daughter) was none too pleased, writing to the heterodox commenter:

A lot of off topic comments here. The article is about an American TV programme, an American TV channel, and an American family organisation. All the comments about the Muslim brotherhood etc will be removed.

Our commenter responded to Mackie’s warning:

WWMichaelPalinDo

14 December 2011 4:45PM

Response to IsabellaMackie, 14 December 2011 4:22PM

 

Bella

I really wouldn’t recommend deleting the comment in which I discuss the wisdom of commissioning an article, attacking anti-Muslim bigotry, written by a writer who appears to have been a Muslim Brotherhood activist, and who previously wrote an article attacking the US Government for prosecuting the Holy Land Foundation for terrorist fundraising.

Do you not remember the Dilpazier Aslam/Hizb ut Tahrir affair?

The Guardian commissioned a writer who was linked to Hizb ut Tahrir, but didn’t disclose his extreme politics. Eventually, the Guardian dismissed Mr Aslam, paid him compensation, and put up a correction.

Now look. It plainly is relevant to this article, that the person who has written it has a background in a Muslim Brotherhood group, and has previously attacked the prosecution of Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas linked terrorist fundraising.

In fact, it is highly relevant to a very important point: namely, “are people with a background in Islamist politics best placed to campaign against anti-Muslim hatred?”

My view, and that of a lot of other opponents of bigotry and discrimination, is that they hinder the fight against anti-Muslim hatred.

Shortly after this exchange, these comments were deleted, and the commenter banned.

What this commenter was pointing out, which evidently runs afoul of ‘community standards’ at CiF, is that proponents or defenders of militant Islam (a movement whose ideology is based on hate and intolerance towards Jews and all non-believers) have absolutely no moral authority when taking a stand against racism.

A genuinely liberal newspaper would understand this painfully obvious and intuitive truth.

I posted yesterday on an essay by the Guardian’s Brian Whitaker which cast doubt on the “question” of whether Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, and cited, as his sole source for what he believes may be Iran’s peaceful intent, a marginal, far left conspiracy blog called “Alabama Moon”.

While I’m still amused at Whitaker’s evidently serious suggestion, per the blog he linked to, that what appears to be an Iranian nuclear weapons program may actually be the Islamic Republic’s benign efforts to manufacture nanodiamonds, there were some reader comments beneath the line which are anything but humorous.

Following a commenter who asked folks on the thread who were defending Iran to consider the fact that an Iranian nuclear attack could wipe out millions of Jews – a comment which, inexplicably, was deleted by CiF moderators – a Guardian reader using the moniker “rodent”, asked the following:

And, no, if you follow the comment thread you’ll clearly see that this reader was not being in the least sarcastic.

And, yes, his/her skepticism that Iran has actually ever threatened Israel with annihilation, and seeming indifference at the prospect of millions of dead Israelis, garnered 30 recommends, and has not been deleted.

This is cross posted at Point of No Return, by bataween

The Palestinians are celebrating their admittance to UNESCO. They are stepping up their political and cultural campaign against Israel and could now demand membership of 16 other UN agencies.

Predictably, the leftists of The Guardian are deploring President Obama’s decision to withdraw US funding from UNESCO.

This comment by Zamalek garnered at least seven recommendations before it was removed on 2 November from the Guardian’s Comment is Free site. It is hard to understand in what way the comment violated CiF’s guidelines. Perhaps it contained too many uncomfortable truths.

“It is quite obvious that the Palestinians wanted membership of UNESCO to further their political and cultural war against Israel.

“Since the 1990s, Arafat engaged in a campaign of deligitimisation against Israel, denying the Jewish connection with Palestine, pretending that a Jewish temple never existed in Jerusalem, digging priceless artefacts out from Temple Mount and appropriating Jewish holy sites as Muslim. Thus Rachel’s tomb in Hebron was renamed the Bilal-al Raba mosque after some minor figure in the Koran.

“The Arabs have been waging this revisionist campaign to erase the Jewish character of holy sites, not just in Palestine but in Iraq, for instance. An Iraqi journalist recently pointed out that the Jewish shrine of Ezra the Scribe near Basra had been turned into a mosque although it had never been considered holy to Muslims when he was a child. The Shia Wakf would dearly love to turn the Jewish shrine of Ezekiel, with its ancient Hebrew inscriptions, into a mosque.

” Jews from Egypt have been denied access to their communal records and a Jew was recently barred from entering a synagogue in Libya on the grounds that it was a national archeological site. Synagogues and holy sites all over the Muslim world have been seized, allowed to fall into rack and ruin or converted into mosques. ”And where has UNESCO been all this time while the Jews’ priceless cultural and historical heritage is being destroyed? It is just a willing player in the Arabs’ cynical political game.”

The only reason why the shrine of Ezekiel has not yet been turned into a mosque is opposition from the Heritage and Antiquities authority in Iraq, which would rather see Ezekiel’s tomb become a tourist site. Since neither the Wakf nor the Iraqi government has any money to spend on Ezekiel’s shrine, the stand-off continues. We have drawn up a petition asking for UNESCO to prevent the site being turned into a mosque and declare the site a World Heritage site.

The Iraqi religious authorities want to turn Ezekiel's shrine into a mosque

Calls from Egyptian Jews for UNESCO to take over the Jewish communal archives have gone unheeded.

UNESCO has been silent on the uncontrolled vandalism of Temple Mount in Jerusalem and the destruction of artefacts testifying to the Jewish Temples.

UNESCO has been silent on the destruction of Joseph’s tomb in Nablus.

UNESCO has Islamised Maimonides.

In fact the only thing that UNESCO has done for us is to designate Tel Aviv’s White City as a World Heritage site in 2003!

In the comment section beneath Jonathan Freedland’s CiF essay, “Gilad Shalit has been brought home to an Israel that has no plan for peace.“, there was this comment by someone using the moniker FreshNews:

The reasoning which informs such vitriol against Israel is nothing new to CiF Watch readers.  

One of the more prolific antisemites on the far left, Gilad Atzmon – who was given a platform by the Guardian several weeks ago – has written the following:

“There is no anti-Semitism any more. In the devastating reality created by the Jewish state, anti-Semitism has been replaced by political reaction. I am saying that these acts [vandalizing synagogues and Jewish cemeteries] should be seen as political responses rather than racially motivated acts or ‘irrational’ hate crimes. If Israel is the state of the Jewish people and the Jewish people themselves do not stand up collectively against the crimes that are committed on their behalf, then every Jewish person, Jewish symbol and Jewish object becomes an Israeli interest and a potential terrorist target….we should be consistent and regard any act against Jews as a political reaction rather than an irrational racist attack.”

CiF commentator, Medhi Hasan, has advanced a similar narrative:

 ”...the state of Israel – created ostensibly to protect Jews from across the world from hatred, prejudice and violence – through its actions today, and through its self-proclaimed role as the leader and home of world Jewry, provokes such awful anti-Semitic attacks against diaspora Jews.”

Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin had a great response, in an interview by David Frost, to the question of whether Israel’s actions provoke violence:

Begin told Frost that during his youth in Poland, he asked a group of Poles why they felt a need to beat up Jews, and they responded that the very presence of Jews was a “provocation.”

As such, it is a morally grotesque proposition to suggest that the actions, or mere presence, of Israel, causes or provokes antisemitism.  

While manifestations of antisemitism have varied throughout history, the one common thread which unites them all is that such bigotry existed as an a priori phenomenon, and was not informed by any particular Jewish behavior.  

Modern antisemites don’t gravitate towards Jew hatred as the result of Israeli behavior.  

The hatred of Jews has simply never been informed by such causation, nor any semblance of moral or political logic. 

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