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		<title>Comment on Overview of Guardian coverage of Israel: April 30th to May 27th 2012. by john in cheshire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[john in cheshire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 17:40:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just want to repeat what I&#039;ve said, in so many words, before. Israel&#039;s restraint is something to be admired. If I had the power to order military action, I&#039;m afraid the arabs in the land known as palestine would have ceased to exist many decades ago. And we here in England will soon have the same problem; some would say we already have it, but refuse to confront it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to repeat what I&#8217;ve said, in so many words, before. Israel&#8217;s restraint is something to be admired. If I had the power to order military action, I&#8217;m afraid the arabs in the land known as palestine would have ceased to exist many decades ago. And we here in England will soon have the same problem; some would say we already have it, but refuse to confront it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73420</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 17:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UNWRA = United Nations WORKS Relief Agency.  They do provide jobs.  It&#039;s Lebanese law that bars the  refugees from jobs and professions.
You should  read a bit more about UNWRA&#039;s history.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNWRA = United Nations WORKS Relief Agency.  They do provide jobs.  It&#8217;s Lebanese law that bars the  refugees from jobs and professions.<br />
You should  read a bit more about UNWRA&#8217;s history.</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Jeff</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73419</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeff]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 17:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[afancdogge,
&quot;Simply depriving people of support – financially and morally – would be a disaster – a likely trigger for a violent reaction. A more constructive and inclusive solution is needed.&quot;
The proposal doesn&#039;t cut off support.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>afancdogge,<br />
&#8220;Simply depriving people of support – financially and morally – would be a disaster – a likely trigger for a violent reaction. A more constructive and inclusive solution is needed.&#8221;<br />
The proposal doesn&#8217;t cut off support.</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Ben</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 16:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m actually kind of impressed by your two posts put together: one of them lies about facts (that the Palestinians only fled due to &quot;Israeli forces&quot;, no other reason, no other factors, nothing else to see here...do you think anyone reading this is stupid enough to believe that when the documented record doesn&#039;t back it up?) and the other falls back on emotion (that the Palestinians will never relinquish the right of return). So I&#039;m going to raise you both a fact--the Palestinian refugee claims have slim international law backing compared to the extensive laws and rulings related to descendents and territories that show the people who were never residing in Palestine after 1948 have no rights whatsoever to receive citizenship in any ME state (that includes Jordan and a future Palestinian state, by the way) and an emotion--if the right of return is a zero-sum anchor of this conflict, then it&#039;ll either last forever or end with the most bloody all-out war in the region&#039;s history. At least in that case you&#039;ll be able to rest easy, since it&#039;s clear which side you&#039;d like to see annihiliated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m actually kind of impressed by your two posts put together: one of them lies about facts (that the Palestinians only fled due to &#8220;Israeli forces&#8221;, no other reason, no other factors, nothing else to see here&#8230;do you think anyone reading this is stupid enough to believe that when the documented record doesn&#8217;t back it up?) and the other falls back on emotion (that the Palestinians will never relinquish the right of return). So I&#8217;m going to raise you both a fact&#8211;the Palestinian refugee claims have slim international law backing compared to the extensive laws and rulings related to descendents and territories that show the people who were never residing in Palestine after 1948 have no rights whatsoever to receive citizenship in any ME state (that includes Jordan and a future Palestinian state, by the way) and an emotion&#8211;if the right of return is a zero-sum anchor of this conflict, then it&#8217;ll either last forever or end with the most bloody all-out war in the region&#8217;s history. At least in that case you&#8217;ll be able to rest easy, since it&#8217;s clear which side you&#8217;d like to see annihiliated.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Happy Shavuot! by Duvid Crockett, King of DeLancey Street,/ Home of gefilte fish and kosher meat</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/26/happy-shavuot-2/comment-page-1/#comment-73415</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duvid Crockett, King of DeLancey Street,/ Home of gefilte fish and kosher meat]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 12:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes; Happy Shavuot. Duvidl loves the music, the bright sunlight,  birdsong, blossoms and smell of new-mown grass.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes; Happy Shavuot. Duvidl loves the music, the bright sunlight,  birdsong, blossoms and smell of new-mown grass.</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Ed Frias</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73411</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Frias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 00:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Among many who have made this observation is Col. Richard Henry Meinertzhagen, a British Middle East expert. He asked an Arab diplomat in Lebanon, &quot;Why do not you Arabs, with all your resources from oil, do something for those wretched refugees from Palestine?&quot; The Lebanese replied, &quot;Good God, do you really think we are going to destroy the finest propaganda we possess? It&#039;s a gold mine!&quot; When Meinertzhagen observed that this view was unkind and immoral, the Lebanese replied, &quot;They are just human rubbish, but a political gold mine!&quot; In slightly different language referring to the same attitude about the usefulness of Palestinian refugee camps, Meinertzhagen notes in his book, &quot;I received identical views from other Arabs.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Among many who have made this observation is Col. Richard Henry Meinertzhagen, a British Middle East expert. He asked an Arab diplomat in Lebanon, &#8220;Why do not you Arabs, with all your resources from oil, do something for those wretched refugees from Palestine?&#8221; The Lebanese replied, &#8220;Good God, do you really think we are going to destroy the finest propaganda we possess? It&#8217;s a gold mine!&#8221; When Meinertzhagen observed that this view was unkind and immoral, the Lebanese replied, &#8220;They are just human rubbish, but a political gold mine!&#8221; In slightly different language referring to the same attitude about the usefulness of Palestinian refugee camps, Meinertzhagen notes in his book, &#8220;I received identical views from other Arabs.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Ed Frias</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73410</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Frias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2012 00:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Leni, the Arab countries need to absorb the Pals, as the Israelis did of an even greater number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands. The Palestinian Arabs share the same language, religion and culture as the 22 Arab countries.   The 22 Arab countries, uninterested in aiding in Palestinian brothers, preferred to use them as a political weapon to wield against Israel, and the U.N. supported this heartless human manipulation. 

In the mid-1970&#039;s Israel attempted to give the Palestinian Arab refugees in Gaza new and better housing. The U.N. General Assembly, at the urging of the Arab states, passed Resolution 32/90 condemning Israel for trying to relocate these refugees and demanded they be returned &quot;to the camps in which they were removed.&quot; And yet, a senior U.N. official came to Gaza in January 1988 accompanied by 10 TV crews on a fact-finding visit and laid the entire blame for the situation at Israel&#039;s feet. As if the U.N.&#039;s own complicity in the matter didn&#039;t exist!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leni, the Arab countries need to absorb the Pals, as the Israelis did of an even greater number of Jewish refugees from Arab lands. The Palestinian Arabs share the same language, religion and culture as the 22 Arab countries.   The 22 Arab countries, uninterested in aiding in Palestinian brothers, preferred to use them as a political weapon to wield against Israel, and the U.N. supported this heartless human manipulation. </p>
<p>In the mid-1970&#8242;s Israel attempted to give the Palestinian Arab refugees in Gaza new and better housing. The U.N. General Assembly, at the urging of the Arab states, passed Resolution 32/90 condemning Israel for trying to relocate these refugees and demanded they be returned &#8220;to the camps in which they were removed.&#8221; And yet, a senior U.N. official came to Gaza in January 1988 accompanied by 10 TV crews on a fact-finding visit and laid the entire blame for the situation at Israel&#8217;s feet. As if the U.N.&#8217;s own complicity in the matter didn&#8217;t exist!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compare and contrast: Guardian coverage of demonstrations in Israel and Greece. by Penny</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/26/compare-and-contrast-guardian-coverage-of-demonstrations-in-israel-and-greece/comment-page-1/#comment-73409</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Penny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 23:07:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Israel should kick out Harriet Sherwood.&quot;

I&#039;d rather like to see Israel invite Sherwood to a televised debate which should then be posted on YouTube. Douglas Murray might be a good choice as opponent. Let&#039;s all have the pleasure of seeing her tested on the subject she is paid to report on. 

Meanwhile, there are several articles doing the rounds on the Tel Aviv demonstrations but none that I know of offer up the perspectives present in this one. As a result of reading them I feel the status of those in question has been - shall we say - flexible. Are they immigrants, illegal immigrants or refugees?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Israel should kick out Harriet Sherwood.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;d rather like to see Israel invite Sherwood to a televised debate which should then be posted on YouTube. Douglas Murray might be a good choice as opponent. Let&#8217;s all have the pleasure of seeing her tested on the subject she is paid to report on. </p>
<p>Meanwhile, there are several articles doing the rounds on the Tel Aviv demonstrations but none that I know of offer up the perspectives present in this one. As a result of reading them I feel the status of those in question has been &#8211; shall we say &#8211; flexible. Are they immigrants, illegal immigrants or refugees?</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by Susan K</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73408</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Susan K]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 22:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wrong.  The Jews from Lebanon: some 850,000 of them that fled to save their lives.  They lost everything.

And today, we have the Christians everywhere in ancient Christian but now conquered islamic lands.  In March alone, close to 100,000 Christians fled Egypt to save their lives. They lost everything also.

BENYAMIN: What a lie you are propagating.  Haven&#039;t you read the history books?  Or are you just swallowing everything you hear without checking the facts first?  

The Arabs living in Israel fled because their arab neighbours promised them they could return in two weeks after all the Jews had been killed.  Arab hatred for all Jews is so intense (qur&#039;an) that they willingly give up their children as suicide bombers.  WAKE UP!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wrong.  The Jews from Lebanon: some 850,000 of them that fled to save their lives.  They lost everything.</p>
<p>And today, we have the Christians everywhere in ancient Christian but now conquered islamic lands.  In March alone, close to 100,000 Christians fled Egypt to save their lives. They lost everything also.</p>
<p>BENYAMIN: What a lie you are propagating.  Haven&#8217;t you read the history books?  Or are you just swallowing everything you hear without checking the facts first?  </p>
<p>The Arabs living in Israel fled because their arab neighbours promised them they could return in two weeks after all the Jews had been killed.  Arab hatred for all Jews is so intense (qur&#8217;an) that they willingly give up their children as suicide bombers.  WAKE UP!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Compare and contrast: Guardian coverage of demonstrations in Israel and Greece. by Ed Frias</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/26/compare-and-contrast-guardian-coverage-of-demonstrations-in-israel-and-greece/comment-page-1/#comment-73407</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ed Frias]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 19:16:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks you CIFWatch for all your work.
This article was so brilliant in showing the hypocrisy and hatred the Guardian has towards Israel.
Israel should kick out Harriet Sherwood.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks you CIFWatch for all your work.<br />
This article was so brilliant in showing the hypocrisy and hatred the Guardian has towards Israel.<br />
Israel should kick out Harriet Sherwood.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Guardian&#8217;s Conal Urquhart lies about &#8220;unarmed&#8221; Mavi Marmara terrorists by peterthehungarian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/guardians-conal-urquhart-reports-lies-about-unarmed-mavi-marmara-terrorists/comment-page-1/#comment-73406</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Erased no but repeated yes next thime when they will try to do it again...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Erased no but repeated yes next thime when they will try to do it again&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by peterthehungarian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/25/with-stroke-of-a-pen-new-bill-in-congress-could-slash-number-of-palestinian-refugees/comment-page-1/#comment-73405</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 17:01:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Maybe you should tell this:
the Germans of Mazuria in Poland and the Sudeten in the Czech Rep.
the Hungarians of Szigetkoz in Slovakia and Banat in Serbia
the Serbs of Kosovo,
the Albans of Serbia
the Greek Cypriots of Northern-Cyprus etc.etc
Seems to me that history is not your forte Benyamin...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you should tell this:<br />
the Germans of Mazuria in Poland and the Sudeten in the Czech Rep.<br />
the Hungarians of Szigetkoz in Slovakia and Banat in Serbia<br />
the Serbs of Kosovo,<br />
the Albans of Serbia<br />
the Greek Cypriots of Northern-Cyprus etc.etc<br />
Seems to me that history is not your forte Benyamin&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Richard Millett&#8217;s latest Dispatch: Battle of Brent Street by peterthehungarian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2012/05/24/richard-milletts-latest-dispatch-battle-of-brent-street/comment-page-1/#comment-73404</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 16:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially the teenagers in the hill-top youth movement...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially the teenagers in the hill-top youth movement&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on With stroke of a pen, new bill in Congress could slash number of Palestinian refugees by afancdogge</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[afancdogge]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 16:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[SteveB 

Hello - the main problem - or one of the many - is that UNWRA does not have a brief to provide/ create jobs for the refugees . In Lebanon for instance refugees are debarred from certain jobs and denied full civil rights. 

Under the International Refugees code and practice refugees have the right to protection. The UNHCR has made it a policy foundation that the settlement of the conflict which sparked the refugee crisis is the main aim - thus preparing the way for return. From this springs the &#039;final settlement&#039; response which effectively ignores the refugees  in the present time. 

Long standing refugee problems in Africa foir instance were solved by UNHCR - quotas were agreed with different countries and offers of resettlement were made. Some refugees returned to their own countries - not all. 

It is accepted that refugees must be given a choice in where they go - the head of household is interviewed - if s/he is offered resettlement the family are then included. 

The Palestinians - along with some other people in long standing camps - have now , almost by default , been granted refugee status for the third and even fourth generation. For as long as they have neither citizenship nor protection this will continue. 

We need to remember that the &#039;rules&#039; were established in post WW2 situation - people in camps across Europe for instance were resettled within a matter of a few years. 

My view is that until there is a genuine international effort to sort the refugee problem - which means re-examining certain assumptions and practices -  there will be no solution. Why for instance, is somebody born in Lebanon 40 years ago still regarded as Palestinian ? The simple answer is because he has no other identity which affords him amd his family protection. 

We need a three way solution - limited RoR, resettlement in third countries and the granting of citizenship and full civil rights in those countries currently hosting refugees. 

This would not only solve the very human problems the contiuing crisis generates but would also allow for the more constructive allocation and use of funds. 

We would no longer simply be supporting an unsustainable and growing problem.

We need to support the refugees outside the context of the continuing dispute .

  Leni]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveB </p>
<p>Hello &#8211; the main problem &#8211; or one of the many &#8211; is that UNWRA does not have a brief to provide/ create jobs for the refugees . In Lebanon for instance refugees are debarred from certain jobs and denied full civil rights. </p>
<p>Under the International Refugees code and practice refugees have the right to protection. The UNHCR has made it a policy foundation that the settlement of the conflict which sparked the refugee crisis is the main aim &#8211; thus preparing the way for return. From this springs the &#8216;final settlement&#8217; response which effectively ignores the refugees  in the present time. </p>
<p>Long standing refugee problems in Africa foir instance were solved by UNHCR &#8211; quotas were agreed with different countries and offers of resettlement were made. Some refugees returned to their own countries &#8211; not all. </p>
<p>It is accepted that refugees must be given a choice in where they go &#8211; the head of household is interviewed &#8211; if s/he is offered resettlement the family are then included. </p>
<p>The Palestinians &#8211; along with some other people in long standing camps &#8211; have now , almost by default , been granted refugee status for the third and even fourth generation. For as long as they have neither citizenship nor protection this will continue. </p>
<p>We need to remember that the &#8216;rules&#8217; were established in post WW2 situation &#8211; people in camps across Europe for instance were resettled within a matter of a few years. </p>
<p>My view is that until there is a genuine international effort to sort the refugee problem &#8211; which means re-examining certain assumptions and practices &#8211;  there will be no solution. Why for instance, is somebody born in Lebanon 40 years ago still regarded as Palestinian ? The simple answer is because he has no other identity which affords him amd his family protection. </p>
<p>We need a three way solution &#8211; limited RoR, resettlement in third countries and the granting of citizenship and full civil rights in those countries currently hosting refugees. </p>
<p>This would not only solve the very human problems the contiuing crisis generates but would also allow for the more constructive allocation and use of funds. </p>
<p>We would no longer simply be supporting an unsustainable and growing problem.</p>
<p>We need to support the refugees outside the context of the continuing dispute .</p>
<p>  Leni</p>
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		<title>Comment on What the Guardian won&#8217;t report: Attempted Palestinian kidnapping of Israeli mother &amp; child by Benyamin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Benyamin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2012 15:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What CIF Watch won&#039;t report: this Israeli lady was not living in Israel but in a settlement built in the Palestinian territory in violation of international law.

I think that a good 90% of fellow Israelis would fail to understand why a mother would want to build a family in an illegal settlement outside the Jewish state, when you can have children and raise them in Israel.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What CIF Watch won&#8217;t report: this Israeli lady was not living in Israel but in a settlement built in the Palestinian territory in violation of international law.</p>
<p>I think that a good 90% of fellow Israelis would fail to understand why a mother would want to build a family in an illegal settlement outside the Jewish state, when you can have children and raise them in Israel.</p>
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