Spectreovereurope

Israel’s wall still deepening the divide

spectreovereurope’s comment 10 Jul 09, 9:20pm

Yotam-

Which part of the word “perhaps” don’t you understand?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/perhaps

Vast exagerration?

there’s nothing the Palestinians can do, it’s submit or die at the hands of the Zionist machine of terror!.

and

Someone with a real interest in the well being of the Palestinian people would best preach
pragmatism with regards to RoR and a certain degree of flexibility with regards to territory swaps.

It’s difficult to discern a meaningful difference. Still it’s nice to know you’ve got the “well being of the Palestinian people” at heart.

Religious dogma has no place in the IDF

spectreovereurope’s comment 07 Jul 09, 1:32pm

Yotam-

Your other point is preposterous. So now religious parties in a representative democracy are frowned upon? Would you prefer a Stalinist dictatorship?

Spare me the histrionics-aside from the fact that “representative democracy” and “Jewish state” have thus far been irreconcilable, I was merely pointing out an electoral reality. Smaller religious parties frequently hold the balance of power and are able to extract concessions for agreeing to enter into coalitions etc. I’m not frowning on their representation in particular as I consider the entire state to be an unrepresentative ethnocracy sustained in contarvention of International Law.

Israel and America: stopping the settlements

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Jun 09, 12:06pm

peter1-

Can you explain how come there are 350 new Arab settlements in the west bank, yet you aren’t aware of it?
Can you explain how come Jews aren’t allowed to live in any of these Arab settlements?
Can you explain why you don’t call it a racist endeavour?
Can You explain why Jews aren’t allowed into Arab countries without some “special” dispensation?

I’m happy to call racism when I see it. Which settlements are you referring to and which policy of prohibiting Jewish residence?

Strange- I didn’t notice your explanation of why Israel’s policy of establishing Jews only settlements in the West Bank is anything other than a racialistic endeavour.

So remind me- Why should we excuse your Apartheid?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apartheid

spectreovereurope

12 Jun 09, 4:58pm (about 10 hours ago)

“Blood & Soil” ideologies like Zionism don’t need much tweaking to become fascistic.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_and_soil

spectreovereurope

09 Jun 09, 2:04pm

b752i-

80 rockets a day in that particular week? Wow! The casualties must have been appalling! Since the Guardian kept me in the dark, perhaps you can give me the figures for dead and injured.

The goal is to kickstart the road map

spectreovereurope’s comment 28 Mar 09, 9:40pm

Could you clarify: do you believe the Jews as a separate ethic [sic] group have the right, in principle, to establishment a state of their own? If you do, then fine. If you don’t, then why not?

Absolutely no problem in principle but I don’t believe the ends justify the means. Had Palestine really been a “land without people”, then as far as I am concerned, the Jews would be welcome to set up a nation state, a chip shop, a bookie, strip joint and anything else that took their fancy. The problem is the territory the Zionists coveted was already populated by a majority of non-Jews. Why should they be obliged to make way for a Jewish state?

The goal is to kickstart the road map

spectreovereurope’s comment 28 Mar 09, 9:07pm

ONeill70-

Firstly, alemild didn’t say anything about “the essential requirements of nationhood”.

Secondly, are you making a point in your second paragraph or merely stitching together some non-sequiturs?

Thirdly, can you clear this up by naming a single person on this planet (or any other) whose nationality is Jewish?

To be or not to be with Bibi

spectreovereurope’s comment 23 Mar 09, 10:05pm

ONeill70-

Absolutely. Forget about the first half of the 20th century, even the history of the second half is so convoluted and complicated when it comes to European Jewry, Europe and the Middle East, that to reduce everything to ZIONISTS = EVIL BAD GUYS is something even my six year old would sense is dangerously simplistic.

I was under the impression this thread was about the outcome of the recent Israeli election. Try reading my comment again. I didn’t make any moral asessment of the situation so where did you dig up the term “evil bad guys”? You seem to be confusing

ISRAELI GOVT = ZIONIST

with

ZIONIST = EVIL BAD GUYS

Hmmm…perhaps you’re on to something!

pretzelberg-

The 66 % is simply the percentage remaining when we subtract the 34 % that do “believe in UFOs” (according to Indigo121’s figures-hilarious link btw!). My point was really how mis-use of the term UFO has rendered it meaningless.

Pakistan’s drift into the hands of extremists

spectreovereurope’s comment 05 Mar 09, 10:03pm

quirky-

This latest act of terrorism was simply not cricket.

The world should turn back the clock to 1947.

Marvellous idea!

No Pakistan + No Israel = No “Islamic” Terror!

Perhaps you’re not as cerebrally-challenged as your posting history suggests!

Opening eyes in Israel

spectreovereurope’s comment 05 Mar 09, 6:56pm

McLefty-

However, the Khazar people, would only have made up a fraction of the total existing Jewish population. Secondly, their conversion does not make their Jewishness less.

Anyway, Anti-Semites use this theory to claim that European (Ashkenazi) Jews have no connection to the land of Palestine as they supposedly descend from the Khazars and that European Jewry is somehow a geneaological ‘fiction’ irrelevant to Israel.

What evidence do pro-Zionists have to the contrary? What was the converted Jewish Khazar population cf the population of “original” Jews in Europe at the time? On a related note, a contributor upthread suggested that the Palestinian Arab genotype implies Jewish ancestry. Does this mean the Palestinian Arab claim to the territory known as Israel is just as valid that of any Jew (Torah-toting or otherwise)?

Opening eyes in Israel

spectreovereurope’s comment 05 Mar 09, 4:32pm

monmassoud-

Apologies for being flippant.

the whole world owe one big thing to those survivors of that horrror namely the Holocaust

Really? The flip-side of Holocaust denial i.e the Holocaust was a crime perpetrated against only Jews. The whole world owes and yet the blameless Palestinians have to pay. So where is the Gipsy homeland? the handicapped homeland?, the gay homeland?…or were these not real victims of the Holocaust? Further did Germany pay any compensation to the Soviet Union ( a nation that lost more of it’s citizens to the Nazis than the Holocaust death toll several times over)? Let me give you some advice monmassoud-A Jewish turd smells just as unpleasant as one of yours. If you don’t believe me, take a sniff!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eAjwXAZXu8k&feature=related

Both sides of Israel’s story

spectreovereurope’s comment 24 Feb 09, 7:52am

monmassoud-

“israel is the bastion of civilized values”

Wash your filthy mouth out with soap and water!!

Monnie/Sabraguy-

Oh so you don’t mind Arabs living freely in your midst? So what’s your problem with a Palestinian Right of Return or a One-State solution? Is it that you don’t them living in your midst as long as Jews hold the “whip-hand”? As I said earlier, the Israeli state is racist in character.

The real Israel-Palestine story is in the West Bank

spectreovereurope’s comment 22 Feb 09, 10:34pm

MarcYaya-

believing as you do that bloody old england is the centre of the world……

This proves you’re unfamiliar with Berchman’s comments so stop pretending to know about his “type”. Perhaps you’re one of those Jews that squeal “anti-semitism” to try and compensate for intellectual inadequacies….perhaps not.

Hamas no, human rights yes

spectreovereurope’s comment 21 Feb 09, 4:15am

Muslims have 52 states, among those 22 arab, one in Palestine (Jordan). Jews have little Israel.

There are many Jews that are quite content without “little Israel”. As far as I know, none of these Jews are stateless.

Boycotting Israel is doomed to fail

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Jan 09, 6:27pm

I have considerable spending power and I choose to direct some of it towards Israeli produce. End of. If it negates the efforts of some of you comedy boycotters, so much the better.

Israeli produce? Perhaps you can treat yourself to a pound of Palestinian flesh. It should be priced quite cheaply because the Israelis have produced yet another glut.

Lull after the storm

spectreovereurope’s comment 19 Jan 09, 6:54pm

monmassoud-

It amuses me that you are so enamoured with Jews in general and Israelis in particular when the majority of Israelis would probably consider you to be a dirty “sand nigger”.

The UN in Israel’s sights

spectreovereurope’s comment 08 Jan 09, 2:42pm

This school was deliberately shelled precisely because it was a UN school. The purpose was to remind the UN of it’s impotence. Israel will continue this “war” for as long as Israel chooses regardless of the wishes of all civilised people.

The price of peace

spectreovereurope’s comment 20 Oct 08, 1:38am

gingingara-

The Arabs states do not want to solve the refugee problem.

The arab states are in no position to facilitate the return of refugees. The “problem” is that Israel does not permit their return (because they’re not Jewish).

The price of peace

spectreovereurope’s comment 19 Oct 08, 7:02pm

Peace doesn’t cost anything. What’s expensive is maintaining a Zionist bubble of tranquility by dispossessing non-Jewish ethnicities. Let’s not confuse the two.

This comment was accidentally deleted by the moderator.

Great expectations

spectreovereurope’s comment 22 Sep 08, 7:52am

Petra MB-

Are you under the impression Henryk Broder’s absurd speech merits serious consideration?

The modern anti-Semite finds ordinary anti-Semitism disgraceful.

Classic! Can we please have a “modern” Zionist that finds “ordinary” Zionism disgraceful?

State in the making

spectreovereurope’s comment 16 Sep 08, 1:05am

McLefty-

A complete stop to armed attacks against Israel.

You want the “peace” without the “process” i.e total acquiescence to the Zionist project. Hmmmmm……..How very reasonable! The Palestinians should not resist you because…?

The wrong message to Israel

spectreovereurope’s comment 10 Sep 08, 12:15am

charlesedgbaston-

What’s to be done with these arab squatters that are preventing tubby Brooklyn born Jews from residing in the “holy land”?

Harsh words: but true

spectreovereurope’s comment 24 Aug 08, 4:21am

JeremyHP-

If everything’s so hunky-dory and everyone’s so marvellously happy regardless of being arab or jew, why oppose a “One State solution”?

Corruption and occupation

spectreovereurope’s comment 11 Aug 08, 12:05pm

ziongate-

The last time I was in Golders Green, North London, I noticed plenty of jews going about their business. Are they in need of “national liberation” and “self determination”?

Israel’s front-line thugs

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Aug 08, 11:27pm

JeremyHP-

“Israel is every bit as permanent as France, the UK, Japan or the USA”

…….or Yugoslavia, South Viet-nam, East Pakistan, East Germany North and South Yemen or USSR etc.

Israel is not (and has never been) in conformity with your (and Ziongate’s) sacred UNGA 181. As we speak, the borders of the “state” describing itself as Israel are undefined and if the territory of Palestine is “negotiable”, why not that of contemporary “Israel”?

Israel’s front-line thugs

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Aug 08, 1:30am

Shachtman-

Hi Shachtman-

“Like i care !”

I’m not blowing a trumpet for Eichmann but it is somewhat distasteful how Israel has co-opted the Holocaust to serve it’s (racist) national agenda-Wouldn’t you agree? The Holocaust was a crime against humanity NOT Israel.

Israel’s front-line thugs

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Aug 08, 1:12am

Harvey21-

“Eichman was kidnapped from Argentina and put on trial in Israel .International commentators at that time were struck by the strict adherence of law and the right of the defendant to present his defence through counsel .”

Regardless of what “International commentators at that time were struck by” Eichmann committed no crimes against Israel and should not have been tried there

The secret of Hizbullah’s success

spectreovereurope’s comment 21 Jul 08, 10:03pm

blerin9000-

You may have noticed that “the Jews” were unable to stop Pakistan getting the bomb. The “Islamic” bomb is already a reality. It’s just a matter of time blerin before Israel is in the crosshairs. According to a well-connected former IDF colonel acquaintance of mine (a veteran of the 1978 Lebanon war), Iran ALREADY has a bomb-it’s just untested. If Israel attacks, they’d better hope the Iranian device doesn’t work. You may be in for a surprise that makes Yom Kippur 1973 seem rather pleasant!

Citizens, but second-class

spectreovereurope’s comment 29 May 08, 2:28am

Pretzelberg (to pre-emptive response)-

“You have undeniably charged Israel with genocidal policies – where and when is hardly of relevance (given that all these threads are relatively recent).”

The term “genocide” was coined by Raphael Lemkin in 1944-This is his definition-

“By ‘genocide’ we mean the destruction of an ethnic group . . . . Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups . . ..”

There seems to be significant overlap between this definition and Israel’s policies toward the Palestinian people. Golda Meir notoriously claimed there was no such thing as the Palestinian people and Ariel Sharon’s “Pastrami Sandwich” policy (enthusiastically implemented by ALL Israeli governments since) was configured to make it so.

The continuing catastrophe

spectreovereurope’s comment 17 May 08, 7:05pm

Geary-

Israel’s raison d’etre is anti-semitism. If there was no anti-semitism, Israel would have to manufacture it (some of us have noticed).

The time is now

spectreovereurope’s comment 22 Mar 08, 8:23pm

Berchmans-

“## But there’s constant allusion to the shadowy “Moneybags Jew”, ##

Bo77acks. Give ONE example.”

Here’s a couple of recent examples-

“Dream on boy, we’ve survived murderous and ignorant anti-Semites for 3,000 years and we will survive the likes of you as well. We are smarter, richer, more powerful and inflential than any other people in the history of the world. We aint called the Chosen for nuthin!”

“Just like your landlord is a Jew and your banker is a Jew and no one below you will ever be a Jew, so we are the Chosen People. We will give you Marx and Einstein and Freud but we will not clean your houses. You will clean ours.”

They come from blerin9000 (a pro-Zionist contributor) so I’m not quite sure if it’s what Geary had in mind!

Betraying our history

spectreovereurope’s comment 19 Mar 08, 9:59pm

I wonder how these 5 MKs would react to Freud, Einstein or Marx addressing the Knesset. They should take pride in the German component of jewish (and human) heritage.

PS Slightly off-thread and slightly on-thread:

Recently the mystery of the disappearance of French writer Antoine de Saint-Exupery appears to have been solved. An elderly Luftwaffe pilot, Horst Rippert, describes shooting down the French writer/aviator in 1944.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article3564346.ece

I came across this story recently and was puzzled to learn that Horst Rippert was jewish. Does anyone have any further information regarding the service of jews in Hitler’s armed forces? How could this have been possible?

Not just visiting

spectreovereurope’s comment 18 Mar 08, 8:12pm

Shachtman-

“”The republicans have killed millions across the Middle East and elsewhere to please their darling Israelis, what more are you moaning about??? What else the American-Israeli gov’t in Washington can do to please their SUPER-masters in Tel Aviv??? More killings, may be this time they are after Persian bloods??? Who knows, these gods always get what they want…mindless, selfish, arrogant lot….”

This quotation from TehranKid makes absolutely no reference to jews. What’s anti-semitic about it?

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/anti-Semitism

The comment seems to be referring to the apparent co-ordination of Republican American foreign policies with the Israeli far-right domestic agenda. The mechanisms for such (undeniable) co-ordination are well documented. For example-

http://home.alphalink.com.au/~radnat/austindependence/christzionists.html

http://www.antiwar.com/orig/lind1.html

Apologies to Seth for side-tracking this thread.

The 60-year cheerleaders

spectreovereurope’s comment 15 Mar 08, 6:35pm

In the United Kingdom, the jewish community is represented better in political, cultural and scientific spheres than other minorities and are better placed in socio-economic terms than other minorities. Where do you think we’re going wrong?

What now?

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Mar 08, 4:03am

Jeff54-

You should give credit where it’s due. Your 7:42pm post was lifted from this magazine article by uber-Zionist and former IDF propagandist Professor Efraim Karsh (most famous for trying to discredit Benny Morris and the other so-called “New Historians”). Nice touch to throw in an unconnected link as a red herring to suggest you had done the work!

http://www.palestinefacts.org/what_occupation.html

You may want to take a look at this report which elaborates on the comment LennyStone made-

http://www.nobleworld.biz/images/Keramati3.pdf

Hamas’ uncritical friends

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Mar 08, 1:26am

To the Israeli who doesn’t understand the “terrorist”:

Spare us the explanations.

Spare us the learned, Torah-drenched justifications.

Spare us the reasons why you “get” F16s when they get fireworks.

Spare us the chapter and verse on how anti-semitism is on the rise the world over.

Spare us.

You may well believe, with the blind faith of the brain-washed and deluded that these people were never cheated by you and me.

Think again.

Spare us the “War of Civilisations” and the rhetorical crud and the “civilised values” guff.

Open your eyes.

When a bomb drops on a Palestinian home killing many who’ve never harmed you, pay attention.

When the shrapnel disembowels a sleeping baby, pay close attention to the reactions of the self-styled people of faith who run Israel.

Spare us the conclusion that the only reason Israel kills children is through “self-defence”.

Spare us the “Israel’s policies are searching for peace” and “the homes, after all, are used to rear terrorists” and all the other scholarly, arrogant, condescending and amoral ways of saying “they had it coming to them.”

Spare us the understanding for the motivations of the mass murderers Ariel and Olmert and others who killed with Washington’s blessings. Spare us the understanding of the words of the Israeli official who says we only collaterally damage civilians during the course of inflicting a “shoah”.

Spare us the chants of “Death to Arabs” that began in Jerusalem just after the minister promised a “shoah”. Spare us the sight of the guns being provided by the IDF to West Bank settlers in American accents, soldiers to protect illegal colonization of the land of a people dispossessed for the “crime” of not being Jewish.

Spare us the righteousness of those who spurned Hamas calls for a ceasefire,

Open your eyes.

Last week, when Israeli forces drove into Gaza, and some 120 Palestinians were killed, many of them were NOT gunmen, with children making up a sixth of the total, one grieving father spoke with quiet eloquence, saying “Other places in the world, when this happens, there is a great outcry. When this happens here, the world is silent. No one cares.”

He’s right. The world has grown content to let Palestinians die.

The world has grown blind to the Palestinian suffering, only the death of jews makes the world pay attention.

Even the West, which for decades championed Israel with weapons and money, have, in large part, run out of whitewash. The reason is that the rulers of Israel are people who see an intrinsic value in a sectarian supremacist state.

The rulers of Israel cannot bring themselves to accept the concept of sharing Palestine with Palestinians.

The best that the rulers of Israel can do, is to bring an apocalypse on their own people and ours as well.

Under fire

spectreovereurope’s comment 10 Mar 08, 7:59pm

“bcos i think you said you are half- not full.”

Cue for another joke!

Groucho Marx was attending a function at an exclusive Californian country club with his wife and children. The club had an anti-semitic policy of not permitting jews into the swimming pool. On hearing of this policy, Groucho politely enquired whether his daughter might be allowed into the pool up to her waist simce she was only half-jewish!!

Supposedly a true story!

Israel’s Jewish critics

spectreovereurope’s comment 05 Mar 08, 6:10pm

JonReykdalin-

“Wasn’t the creation of the state of Israel the ultimate anti-semitic act?”

Do you mean the penultimate anti-semitic act?

Love the sinner, hate the sin

spectreovereurope’s comment 02 Mar 08, 7:43pm

rizom-

“And by the way – it is so “nice” of you to use a Jew and the Holocaust survivor to peddle the anti Semitic comparison of Jews to Nazis.”

Surely it is hyperbolic rather than anti-semitic to compare Israel to Nazis? Jews are no more or less capable of “evil” than any other group. You will presumably be aware that thoughout their 4000 year history, the jews were perpetrators of a number of genocides. There is nothing “genetic” about jews that precludes the possibility of behaving like Nazis. To claim otherwise is “anti-semitic”! Is it racist to observe that black people are capable of slave ownership?

Digging into trouble

spectreovereurope’s comment 27 Feb 08, 7:57am

AKUS-

“since these are a problem created by Hizbullah, not the majority of the Lebanese people. And before them your good friend Yasser and his PLO thugs attacks on schoolchildren etc.”

Are you familiar with the concept of the “chicken and the egg”? Would there have been Hizbullah, “Yasser and his PLO thugs”, attacks on schoolchildren and countless Katyushas without a sectarian, nationalist cult called Zionism?

“Try to get beyond your constant rehashing of two or three events, and move on. It will lower your blood pressure.”

Are you by any chance referring to the Holocaust?

Whose side is Britain on?

spectreovereurope’s comment 24 Feb 08, 4:48pm

ketchupandchips-

I didn’t know but it doesn’t surprise me. Many of the greatest thinkers, academics, intellectuals and scientists throughout history have been jewish. I guess it’s a pity the likes of JeremyHP lower the average.

Gloom over Jerusalem

spectreovereurope’s comment 16 Feb 08, 9:59pm

Shachtman-

Re. Two states prior to 1967.

Palestinian national aspirations are a REACTION to Zionism. The question you should be asking is for what reason (other than Czech weaponary) should they have been compelled to give up their homes to make way for a Judaic nationalist cult aka Zionism.

I hope you’ll indulge me an explanation of “the Anti-Imperialism of fools” regarding Suez 1956-It sounds like a fascinating concept!

Wall comes tumbling down

spectreovereurope’s comment 27 Jan 08, 10:43pm

George Habash-RIP

Offerings of olive branches

spectreovereurope’s comment 16 Jan 08, 3:01pm

Avihu-

What’s the difference between “the Jewish people” and “people who are Jewish”? When you speak about the inalienable right of self-determination of “the Jewish people”, does the same right of “self-determination” extend to “the left-handed people” or “the homosexual people” or “the christian people” or “the Manchester United supporting people” etc.? How do YOU define “the Jewish people”?

Return and investment

spectreovereurope’s comment 02 Jan 08, 5:36pm

Patricia123-

Am I the “antisemite” joining hands with a jew? I’m flattered by your description. As for jews, they have nothing to learn from your particular brand of Ashke-nazism.

Combatants for peace

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Dec 07, 4:17pm

Parisa-

“I’m afraid this is hitting below the belt. You obviously have no understanding whatsoever of how a Jew feels with regard to their ancestors or how a Jew feels, period; seems like.”

You clearly (though not unsurprisingly) haven’t understood the point that was being made. Incidentally, if I were jewish, I would hope to be one of the ones that are frequently described by some OTHER JEWS as “self-loathing”. There is no monolithic sense to “how a Jew feels”. Do not become confused by YOUR own sense of how a Jew SHOULD feel!

Smother until surrender

spectreovereurope’s comment 28 Dec 07, 11:11pm

You can have this land said God.

Shut up you filthy Palestinian-you deserve your misery said some of the chosen people.

It’s all Haj Amin’s fault said the grand old man.

Why is the Holocaust considered genocide when it’s clear there are plenty of jews still around? Surely attempted genocide would be more apt? asked the pedant.

We know who the bad guys are, they’re the ones who don’t imbibe sufficent quantities of Jack Daniels and Coca Cola opined the golf-playing skier.

Damn you all to hell! said Charlton Heston (in Planet of the Apes)

Divided and ruled in Paris

spectreovereurope’s comment 19 Dec 07, 12:49am

Why is the election of Hamas considered so terrible when the Israeli public routinely elect murderous thugs like Begin, Shamir and Sharon? I didn’t notice the international backlash from the “civilised world” when these terrorists and war criminals were elected.

A tale of two cities

spectreovereurope’s comment 21 Dec 07, 11:05pm

Shachtman-

Hi Shacthman, Eid Mubarak, Merry Xmas and Happy Hanukah all rolled into one!!

I certainly don’t profess to be an expert on the Torah but my guess is the references to zion in the Torah did not refer to a secular, political movement. In fact, the Torah from the Israeli/Zionist perspective, has become largely irrelevant in defining “jewishness”.

A tale of two cities

spectreovereurope’s comment 21 Dec 07, 9:46pm

itsrob-

Can I borrow your Ladybird book of “The History of the Middle East” when you’ve finished with it?

Sieglinda65-

“Jerusalem is not mentioned AT ALL in the Koran Therefore I would disagree with the assertion that “Jerusalem is only of a secondary importance for Islam “. It would be a logical assumption that Jerusalem has absolutely no importance at all to Islam.”

Zionism is not mentioned at all in the Torah. It would be a logical assumption that the UN member state Israel has absolutely no importance at all to Judaism.

I think you need to re-evaluate the concept of “importance”. What about the IMPORTANT things like having a roof over your head, food on the table, freedom from persecution etc. None of these things are contingent on Israeli sovereignty of East Jerusalem or do you know something that the rest of us don’t as suggested by your remark “Why don’t you take a look at what is going on in the world and get a little perpective[sic] before you write more of this kind of garbage.”?

Is Shachtman a self-hating traitor to his “own people” for agreeing with Seth (and not agreeing with you!)?

Two sides to every history

spectreovereurope’s comment 18 Dec 07, 6:07pm

Seth-

“I observed that they weren’t all Nazis either……”

Satisfy my curiosity Seth-

What percentage are “Nazis”?

Perhaps you and your fellow-traveller are getting mixed up with these (Israeli) Nazis!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/6985808.stm

From Hampstead to Lvov

spectreovereurope’s comment 13 Dec 07, 11:13pm

Seth-

In fact, I pride myself on being a one-and-a-half trick pony. The “half-trick” in this case is partly with regard to the heat generated when casual comparison is made between “Nazis” and “Zionists”. Such a comparison (understandably) offends many jews. There is currently a trend for implying a moral equivalence between “Nazis” and “Soviets”, Stalin and Hitler being perceived as archetypes of “evil”. Suffice to say that boys too young to have worn short trouseurs wouldn’t understand. I too won’t be holding by breath.

Building barriers to peace

spectreovereurope’s comment 07 Dec 07, 5:32pm

NadavKatz-

“Jerusalem has never, ever, been the capital city of any state of people other than the Jewish people, and it has been designated as such over 3,000 years ago. No Arab people, including the Palestinian Arabs, has used it as its capital city.”

The vast majority of the “Jewish” people do not have Jerusalem as their capital city. You should try to remember that “Jew” is not and has never been a nationality. Further, many citizens of Israel are not “jewish”. Are they allowed to claim Jerusalem as “their” capital?

There is a Holocaust industry

spectreovereurope’s comment 05 Dec 07, 8:24am

Have there been any non-Jewish victims that have been beneficiaries of “the Holocaust Industry”? Were homosexuals, Roma, communists, disabled etc compensated for their suffering? This is NOT a rhetorical question and I would appreciate any information. Not strictly relevant but a great-uncle of mine had the misfortune to be imprisoned by the Japanese during World War II and didn’t receive (or demand) any compensation for the appaling brutality he (and many others) experienced.

Circling the wagons

spectreovereurope’s comment 30 Jun 07, 11:45pm

quirky-Anti-semitism can take many forms not neccessarily “hatred” but always ignorant e.g jews are dirty, jews are miserly, jews are crafty etc. Anti-Zionism can only be defined when you offer a definition of Zionism. The “Zionists” i.e people who support the continuing existence of Israel are OVERWHELMINGLY non-jewish. Simplistic nonsense masquerading as succinct analysis is not generally worth a response but I’m at work and bored so consider yourself fortunate.

1967: Those ’strange, hallucinating people’

spectreovereurope’s comment 08 Jun 07, 5:57am

I think the Israelis have created a “Frankenstein’s monster” with their settlement building program. It is difficult to see the necessary consensus arising in Israel to dismantle the settlements. Similarly, it is difficult to see external pressure being appplied on Israel while AIPAC exerts such a grotesque influence on American foreign policy. You don’t have to be Nostradamus (was he jewish?) to see it doesn’t look good (for anyone!).

Not in my name

spectreovereurope’s comment 03 Jun 07, 2:19am

Is there any truth in the story that large numbers of Sephardi jewish children were given dangerous doses of radiation as part of a secret “eugenics” program during Israel’s early history? I know it seems like a bizarre cospiracy theory but I have heard it from more than one (in my view) credible source. I wonder in whose “name” such a policy would have been enacted.

Going undercover

spectreovereurope’s comment 01 May 07, 11:52pm

If the Jews really are “God’s Chosen People”, then surely S/He would have had a rather more impressive destiny in mind for his “chosen” ones then wasting their talents on this dysfunctional category mistake known as Israel

A call to arms

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Apr 07, 11:47am

I feel that Zionism has deformed Judaism (the bedrock religion of monotheism) into an Israel uber alles cult.

A call to arms

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Apr 07, 1:22pm

McLefty-What does the Torah or the Talmud say about the 1947 partition plan or subsequent events?

A call to arms

spectreovereurope’s comment 27 Apr 07, 4:25pm

youwontlikethis-You won’t like this but I heard somewhere that Hitler had a jewish grand-parent (maternal-I think)-Does anyone have any definitive information about this?

Independent of the state

spectreovereurope’s comment 26 Apr 07, 10:13am

Interesting article-From my (non-Jewish) perspective, it seems that the post-Holocaust trauma of the Jewish people has had subtle, long-term and pernicious consequences for the collective “Jewish soul”. I believe that the behaviour and attitude of many Israelis today is linked to the experience of the Holocaust in a way that is similar to the behaviour of many abusive adults being derived from experiences of abuse as children. Do any other contributors have any (better-informed) thoughts on this subject?

Cleaning up their act

spectreovereurope’s comment 09 Apr 07, 9:28pm

Can anyone explain to me why holocaust denial is anti-semitic? Surely an anti-semite would endorse the holocaust rather than deny it?

Cleaning up their act

spectreovereurope’s comment 10 Apr 07, 12:11am

I was taught as a child that it was important to remember the Holocaust so atrocities on this scale would never be repeated. It became a metaphor for the sickness of all racism. Somewhere along the way the Holocaust seems to have become a fig-leaf for Israeli atrocities and justification for racism against Palestineans. The victims of the Holocaust are left with a rather shabby legacy.