‘Israel bad, Palestine good’ is killing us
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Apr 09, 7:46am
The message is crystal clear: sole responsibility for the conflict lies with Israel, thanks to its rulers’ never-ending wave of oppression against the Palestinian people.
That along with the existence of an idigenous people in the land zionists chose for the Jewish national home does have lot to do with it, Seth.
But yo also need to take into account Israel’s reneging on past peace deals, it’s refusal to withdraw to the ’67 borders which do nothing to promote the idea that Israel wants peace.
In fact after so many years of lies and excuses from Israel it’s a wonder that anyone gives any credence to Israel’s self declared interest in peace.
The lessons of Purim
preemptiveresponse’s comment 12 Mar 09, 9:01am
Those who don’t want to belive that Zionism has exploited antisemitism may find this interesting:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/resources/onlinebooks/holocaust%20victims%20accuse.pdf
In the meantime there are 1.5 million semites trapped in Gaza enduring what is being described as a genocidal blockade imposed by Israel.
How secure is their future, Seth?
The lessons of Purim
preemptiveresponse’s comment 10 Mar 09, 8:38pm
There was a time when Zionists believed that; ‘The anti-Semites will become our most loyal friends; the anti-Semitic nations will become our allies.’ Theodore Herzl.
As the Zionists exploited antisemitism it could be said that Zionism are the greatest threat to Judaism.
Nice dig at Iran, Seth.
Hillary in the Holy Land
preemptiveresponse’s comment 10 Mar 09, 9:25am
You actually feel that Hamas needs encouragement to viciously bombard all of southern Israel with rockets and mortars.
You’re quite right ‘seriousposter’. What with Israel’s continued land thefts, assassinations, kidnappings and the genocidal blockade, Hamas really don’t need excuses.
But my was, that Hamas has been trying to put a stop to rocket attacks by other millitant groups, including those affiliated to Fatah. – you may remember they had honoured the last ceasefire up until Israel’s breach of it. Therefore giving $600 million directly to Fatah could encourage them to ignore Hamas’s pleas.
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/09/Source_Hamas_arrests_10_Gaza_militants/UPI-84991236604192/
Hamas isn’t open to compromise
preemptiveresponse’s comment 02 Mar 09, 9:24am
The wall was built as a response to the swarms of suicide bombers targeting civilians
Doesn’t the word ‘swam’ refer to a mass group of something?
For example a single bee on its own is refered to as a bee, not a swarm.
Anyway, Palestinians renounced suicide bombing years ago, can the wall come down now?
Israel’s use of force was justified
preemptiveresponse’s comment 27 Feb 09, 6:51am
“Hamas brought on the people of Gaza the wrath of the IDF, white phosphorus and flechetts included.”
By offering to renew the ceasefire?
Has anyone noticed that when Hamas had its 1996 charter to ‘wipe out’ Israel. Israel aided Hamas and yet since it has been willing to accept a 2 state solution based on ’67 borders and maintain ceasfires it has become a public enemy No.1?
This is worth reading:
http://www.jewsagainstzionism.com/resources/onlinebooks/holocaust%20victims%20accuse.pdf
Israel’s use of force was justified
preemptiveresponse’s comment 25 Feb 09, 9:29am
Israeli forces took extraordinary steps not to harm Gazan civilians
Yes that’s why they started the masacre at midday on a saturday, the busiest time of the week.
I understand there’s a new verb being introduced: To Israel – to kill while at the same time saying i’m not trying to kill.
Amid the gloom, hope
preemptiveresponse’s comment 22 Feb 09, 7:24pm
cityca
Israel has no reason not to trust Hamas’s offer. You’ve probably forgotten that it was Israel who broke the last ceasefire and renege on opening the borders.
Your question really should be why are Hamas silly enough to keep trying to trust Israel.
But it really is a matter of how deperately you want peace. Obviously Israel prefers to keep making excuses as to why it’s not possible because if did make peace it would mean and end to its expansionism.
Hamas no, human rights yes
preemptiveresponse’s comment 20 Feb 09, 9:28am
You don’t seem to have grasp the fact that Israel is actually the crimminal here, Zdneck.
How do you feel about Israel’s use of white phosphorus, or shooting of Palestinians waving white flags?
Or shooting children for throwing stones?
Hamas no, human rights yes
preemptiveresponse’s comment 19 Feb 09, 9:28am
Of course, its amazing how popular you can be when you have a gun in one hand and a sack of food in the other
Although that is a good analogy for Israel behaviour – except the occupation or die, it hasn’t ended Palestinian resistance to the occupation, has it?
Did you know that Zionists used to kill Jews opposed to Zionism?
Hamas no, human rights yes
preemptiveresponse’s comment 19 Feb 09, 8:55am
So what you’re saying Peter. is that we should forget that Israel decided bomb the hell out of Gaza whilst killing a large number of civillians instead of renewing the ceasefire which until Israel breached it November, Hamas had aghered to.
We should for the illegal blockade and its consequences.
We should forget that Israel could quite easily end this conflict peacefully by pulling back to the ’67 borders and being content with the territorial gains that gives them.
We should forget that Israel shoots to kill children who throw stones at its vehicles.
We should forget that Israel imprisons children for throwing stones at its illegal wall.
We should forget that Israels imprisons hundreds without trial.
We should forget that Israel uses illegal weapons.
We should forget that Israel that Israel refuses freedom to 1.5 million people.
We should forget that Israel has destroyed the economy in Gaza.
We should forget that Israel shoots people carrying white flags.
We should forget that Israel is the one in breach of scores of UN resolutions and recomendations and is in fact the illegal occupier which uses deadly force to maintain that occupation.
But we must remember that how Hamas deals with those who collaborate with Israel.
That’s what you’re saying isn’t it Peter?
preemptiveresponse
12 Jun 09, 9:26am
As American Africans are mainly in the US as a result of slavery, it’s a sad to someone blame them for his countries ills.
However I think his attempt to have Federal reserve members charged with treason sounds quite reasonable as they really do share responsibilty for America’s disatrous financial situation.
http://francisthedragonslayer.com/
A toxic force rises in Israel
preemptiveresponse’s comment 12 Feb 09, 11:44am
Perhaps the problem is that most of the Jews living in Isreal aren’t actualy related to Abraham. And are infact descended from a very war like tribe: the Khazars who converted on mass to Judaism around the early 9th century
http://www.khazaria.com/kuzari/excerpts.html
Representing Israel
preemptiveresponse’s comment 07 Feb 09, 7:29am
Zionism is obviously at odds with Judaism.
The Torah states Jews have to wait for G-d to give permission before they can return to Israel.
The Zionists are therefore breaking G-ds law, with their conquest and if the Torah is to be believed are paving the way to Armageddon.
So the question is: Have Zionists hijacked the Jewish faith for their own gain?
When the Herzl announced his ‘dream; it was justified as a means of providing Jews with a safe haven, a sanctuary from the persecution they were suffering in Eastern Europe. His ‘dream of Palestine as a Jewish homeland was, until control was wrested from the Turks, turned down as the area lacked the basic resources – WATER – needed for the mass immigration the Zionists prayed for.
Alternatives were offered by the Turks and the British but the Zionists refused these offers. Obviously they felt that the persecution wasnt such a pressing issue after all.
Another clue is the fact that Jewish leaders warned the Zionists that their actions toward Germany would create a backlash against German Jews. This didnt seem to bother people like Ben Gurion. He stated that given the chance to save all Germanys ‘Jewish children by allowing them to take refuge in Britain or being to save only half of them by allowing them to seek refuge in Palestine he would chose the latter.
Other clues – the way that Zionists treat Holocaust survivors – many of whom are forced to live in abject poverty within Israel. Murdering Jews who spoke out against Zionism.
Israel, since its founding, has become the most dangerous place in the world for Jews. The Zionist’s refusal to allow the Palestinians a state or any hope will unfortunately ensure that this situation continues.
The BBC – a crisis of confidence?
preemptiveresponse’s comment 27 Jan 09, 9:32am
The BBC has for many years taken the Israeli side, one wonders why this might be, are they scared to tell hte truth? Are they worried they might end up like Count Bernadotte?
Although there is a lot of proof that Israeli agents filmed and celebrated the first attack on the WTC in 2001 the BBC, or the rest of the Western Media either, have not not touched the story.
I wonder if they will touch this story
http://www.thenational.ae/article/20090126/FOREIGN/789310074/1002
Boycotting Israel is doomed to fail
preemptiveresponse’s comment 24 Jan 09, 1:57pm
Given that every time Israel feels its collective back is against the wall and that it’s under attack from hostile entities, it battens down the hatches and lashes out in every direction – it could well be that blunt boycotts are doomed to fail and spectacularly backfire.
Besides the fact that sounds like a threat, are you saying that Hamas’s offer to renew the lapsed ceasefire in December put Israel’s backs against the wall?
Looks like Kennedy had the right idea:
http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/mossadandtheassassination.htm
Gaza has exposed the Arab leaders to fury and contempt
preemptiveresponse’s comment 20 Jan 09, 9:55am
Kritter
Actually it’s a very well researched book, endorsed by some prominent historians and has nothing whatsoever to do with propaganda. The author, himself a Jew, states that the fact that the majority of Ashkenazis are of Turkaic descent has nothing to do with Israel’s right to exist.
That should be judged on its behaviour.
I think it is probably time that control of Palestinian land is taken away from the Israelis, they don’t seem to be doing a very good job of it. One wonders if they had warned Palestinians about firing rockets into Israel in the years before Hamas came to power, whether Gaza would today lay in ruins.
Israel and the family of nations
preemptiveresponse’s comment 13 Jan 09, 10:10pm
Here Martyn, there are some including Sharon who believe that Israel controls the US:
http://www.mediamonitors.net/khodr49.html
Looking past Gaza
preemptiveresponse’s comment 08 Jan 09, 7:57am
I doubt there will be any ceasefire until Israel has made Gaza totally unihabitable. Nobody will impose any restrictions on Israel – it has been refusing to abide by the 70+ UN resolutions and recommendations against it for decades for decades. Infact not one leader has condemned Israel for breaking the ceasefire which has enabled them to embark on this exhibition of their inhumanity.
Possibly one reason Israel wants to destroy Hamas is because it supports a single state solution, something that Israel would never accept. But as it is the only logical solution, owing to the fact that Palestinians have hardly any water (destroying any hope creating any industry) or arable land.
Wasn’t Sarkozy supposed to have links to Mossad:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7245
I expect he’s just trying to calm certain people within France, who are against the continuing genocide against the Palestinians.
The slow death of Gaza
preemptiveresponse’s comment 24 Nov 08, 7:42pm
Does anyone seriously believe that Israel is going to leave Gaza, with its prime beach front ripe for development and its off shore gas supplies, in the hands of the Palestinians.
It’s taken just about every resource away from the Palestinians it really isn’t going to give up Gaza.
Culture of fear
preemptiveresponse’s comment 23 Jun 08, 8:03am
A country that was founded on the memory of the holocaust but does not take care of its own holocaust survivors is built on very poor foundations indeed! Who benefits?
An excellent question Hermine, and hi I hope you are well.
When examining zionism’s relationship with Judaism, words like ‘expendable’ and ‘disposable’ unfortunately keep coming to mind.
A drip, drip solution?
preemptiveresponse’s comment 19 Jun 08, 8:58am
What is the point? Water is a serious issue in Israel, but Seth managed to convey the impression that most Israelis are lolling about in their private pools while the poor Palestinians go thirsty. Ridiculous! We are in the Middle East after all! No exactly known for an abundance of water.
Very true, Ariella. It makes one wonder why zionists decided on Palestine as the location for a ‘Jewish state’, doesn’t it?
A legacy of division
preemptiveresponse’s comment 10 Jun 08, 9:40am
I often wonder if in 1938 Britain hadn’t decided against allowing a Jewish state in Palestine, or in the 1900′s if the Turks hadn’t also
http://www.mideastweb.org/thejewishstate.htm
refused to allow a Jewish state in Palestine, whether either world war would have happened.
It shouldn’t be forgotten also that it was Harold Wilson who supplied Israel with the plutonium to build its first nuclear weapons.
http://www.newstatesman.com/200603130011
The unpromised land
preemptiveresponse’s comment 06 Jun 08, 5:41am
Considering the heavily biased one sided pro Israeli propaganda that the US media feeds its public it’s not really surprising that the US public support Israel.
The Us media has done a marvelous job of keeping Israeli attacks on US interests quiet, its spying campaigns and the celebrating of the attacks on the WTC by its agents.
Post-American Israel
preemptiveresponse’s comment 28 May 08, 11:55am
- “there was nothing inevitable about the outcome”
Besides the inevitability that the death rate would rise, your attempt to justify yourself depends on whether or not *allied* actions were benign.
- “What you’ve never read Finkelstein’s “WATER and the Holocaust industry”"
You’ll find the book is called ‘Israel and the holocaust industry’. It deals with the way Israel has used holocaust survivors for political and financial gain and treats them with contempt.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=663900&contrassID=2
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D8QNPLOG0&show_article=1
Geoffrey and the boycott
preemptiveresponse’s comment 09 May 08, 11:30am
Yes, until Israel actually announces what land it wants for its state, nothing short of total ban on travel to and from Israel will suffice.
Balfour revisited
preemptiveresponse’s comment 03 May 08, 5:45am
I often wonder if the zionists regret the holocaust or celebrate it. I know this might make some think how could anyone think so badly of zionists but if we look at their history they don’t appear to be the nicest of people. The way they have been treating holocaust survivors both in Israel and beyond gives the impression that the zionists used the holocaust for their own political gain.
A really useful Index
preemptiveresponse’s comment 23 Apr 08, 7:18am
I think you’ll find Murdoch’s mother was jewish, bassi. You’ll also find that many of the major media magnates are jewish also. However you really shpould learn to differentiate between ‘jew’ and ‘zionist’ they are not necessarily the same thing.
Israel has a very good way of censoring journalists in Gaza and the OTs though, doesn’t it?
Self-help for self-haters
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Apr 08, 9:02pm
People, myself included, have been writing about zionism being the enemy of Judaism for years, over 70 in fact, Lenny, this is nothing new, Seth is as always way behind the times.
And my comment was to sydk, not you, as I wondered if he had asked Seth about his time in the IOF, as he said he would, when they occupied Palestinian houses and locked the residents up in order to get some kip, while they were ‘on duty’ in the occupied territories.
Self-help for self-haters
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Apr 08, 7:51pm
Grow up iahama. The Jews who were against zionism didn’t have the political clout as the zionists who were in very powerful positions, such as those who ran the Federal Resrve at the time.
I’m not sure what it is that is upsetting you more: is it the fact that Jewish leaders at the time are on record of warning about the dangers of zionism and the fact that it was the enemy ofJudaism or is the fact that you don’t want people knowing that those running the Federal Reserve were zionists.
True Jews, recognise zionism as the enemy of Judaism, iahama, live with it.
Complicit in silence
preemptiveresponse’s comment 09 Feb 08, 8:09pm
You should get a job with the Israeli bureau of propaganda, Peter.
And tell me why was Jesus persecuted and put to death?
And why should you be so bothered about the actions of others 2000 years ago?
Interestingly enough though, Hamas turned the other cheek during its first year as the democratically elected government and it hasn’t done them much good. Israel still continued bombing, killing imprisoning without trial, stealing. Perhaps Petra is right the only alternative Israel gives it is violence.
Israel’s ticking time bombs
preemptiveresponse’s comment 08 Jan 08, 1:48pm
Sydk
I can understand why you must find referring to Israel’s genocidal polices as genocidal tedious. However, we have been over this subject before and according to the UN definition of genocide they are genocidal policies.
I’m really sorry. You’ll find that as more Palestinians die as a result of the policies more people will start to realise what’s happening there. And more people will start to speak out.
Professor Lev Grinberg did warn the government in 2004 that what they were committing was “Symbolic genocide by public policy”
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/cur_sit/genocide.html
A meeting of minds
preemptiveresponse’s comment 07 Jan 08, 7:46am
Thanks for the link Hermine. I’m surprised the media are still allowing the zionists the space to promote their propaganda. The comments are very interesting though.
ACE – you’re quite right your comparison was naff, just like your insistence that we should allow Israel to continue with its expansion, ethnic cleansing and the genocidal policies towards Gaza in peace.
Perhaps the words ‘never again’ mean nothing to you.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0%2C7340%2CL-3342999%2C00.html
Read here how even if Israel agrees to something and signs on the dotted line it can not be trusted.
Sorcery, thanks for that info, you wouldn’t have a link to it, would you?
The interior diaspora
preemptiveresponse’s comment 04 Feb 08, 11:14am
It’s pretty well documented that the Arab armies came to the aid of Palestinians being ethnically cleansed by zionists terrorists. Jeremy.
As Israel was recently voted the greatest threat to world peace, don’t you think it would be better to concentrate on forcing Israel into a abiding by international law and getting the squatters off Palestinian land and into Israel, drjohn?
The making of a suicide bomber
preemptiveresponse’s comment 20 Jan 08, 4:49pm
Interesting point, blueyonder. I think if it was me I’d be more inclined to go after the judenrats and kappas first. Perhaps if WWII had gone on for a hundred years as the zionist Palestinian conflict has may be this sort thing would have happened. And who is to say it didn’t happen.
Anyway what are you trying to say that just because there’s a possibility that camp survivors didn’t wreak revenge no-one else should?
I think revenge seems to be an unfortunate fact of life. Israel is always retaliating it doesn’t seem care how many it kills in its acts of revenge.
The making of a suicide bomber
preemptiveresponse’s comment 21 Jan 08, 10:11am
The root cause of zionist terrorism wildblueyonder, was the desire take control of someone else’s land and its resources.
Sderot: beseiged and abandoned
preemptiveresponse’s comment 20 Jan 08, 4:08pm
- “Todays mental illness award goes to SPIKE for posting you can lose your job in America for not believeing in God. I guess if you’re SPIKE such lies, which fly in the face of federal and state laws,”
You’ll find he’s dead right about that. Not only religious beliefs but political ones as well.
Unomano – “Did READ the letter? The signatories (wrongly) compared a single, minority party to Nazism. They did NOT compare “Zionism” or “Israel” or the entire Jewish national project to Nazism.”
You’ll enjoy this -
http://www.nkusa.org/Historical_Documents/YDeHaan.cfm
Israel’s ticking time bombs
preemptiveresponse’s comment 08 Jan 08, 7:36am
Regardless of the religious extremists, I think you’ll find that Israel’s racist genocidal policies are its downfall.
http://desertpeace.blogspot.com/2007/06/genocide-declared-kosher-in-israel.html
The West Bank: flat-pack gridlock
preemptiveresponse’s comment 24 Dec 07, 9:56am
Roger – “They celebrate the same what that the rest of the Palestinians celebrated the slaughter of 3000 Christians and Jews on 9/11.”
I think you’ll find that only one or at most twoo Jews were killed in the attack and that only a very small handful perhaps 20 children were seen celebrating after being enticed with sweets by a French camera crew.
What you are probably not aware of are the celebrations by Israelis in New York who celebrated and filmed the attack.
Sins of the fathers
preemptiveresponse’s comment 05 Dec 07, 7:57am
- “It’s all too easy when embarking on a trip to the scene of the Holocaust to curl your lip defiantly and wear a fuck-you stare”
With its breach of scores UN resolutions, its total disregard for human rights and international law not to mention its genocidal Gazan polices, a ” fuck-you stare” is quite fitting.
May be the phrase could be incorporated into the flag. Although with the two blue lines supposedly representing the Tigris and the Euphrates, perhaps it already has.
Blair’s Bethlehem brainwave
preemptiveresponse’s comment 26 Nov 07, 12:15pm
Nada as usual you have nada to say.
Israel’s policies in Gaza are genocidal.
As Greencourt pointed out, Israel is denying Gazan’s the necessary fuel to provide freshwater and treat its sewage.
If this is allowed to continue how long do you think it will be before we see an outbreak of cholera or dysentery and how easy do you think it will be for them – in one of the world’s most heavily populated areas – to control it?
Living through history
preemptiveresponse’s comment 02 Dec 07, 8:53am
Yes interesting article.
Seth says that is no comparison between what the Nazis did and what Israel is doing.
Perhaps a read of this look at the conditions in the Warsaw ghetto might help you see the similarities.
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2003/may2003/wars-m27.shtml
Here’s some articles related to Israel’s what are by definition genocidal policies:
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0604/S00183.htm
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/11/031104064217.htm
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/publish/article_778.shtml
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/11/26/p21380
As Seth said it is important to understand history so we can avoid the horrors of the past.
A real peace process?
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Nov 07, 5:36pm
teds -Comment No. 927761
An interesting point regarding the media’s treatment of Israel, is that their attack on the Liberty in which hundreds were either killed or injured, is that it amazingly only made page 27 of the New York Times.
The media has a very bizarre way of dealing with Israel. It virtually ignored the story of the Mossad agents arrested after been seen filming and celebrating the attacks on the WTC and the scores of Israeli ‘art students’ who had been trailing the alleged hijackers for 2 years prior to the attacks, many of whom were arrested.
Likewise it has virtually ignored the AIPAC spy case, except to demand that the FBI make public highly sensitive information.
If the US media, and the British, are going to ignore these events, carried out against the US, then it only stands to reason that they are going to turn a blind eye to Israel’s treatment of the Palestinians and the realities that exist there.
The bloodshed continues
preemptiveresponse’s comment 14 Nov 07, 8:38am
Nadav you say “How sad that after two requests yesterday to Arab supporters for some introspection and positive response to the call by the UN, EU, US and Russia as well as Arab states and the Palestinian Presidency to the authorities in Hamastan to adhere to the three simple points. What I have received in response are pornographic responses from these Arab supporters.”
The reason no-one goes along with this is because it’s backwards logic.
Israel is the illegal occupier. The Palestinians have every right to resist the occupation.
Asking them to agree to stop resisting is akin to a rapist asking his victim to stop resisting before he decides when he’s going to remove his dick.
Let’s not go full circle
preemptiveresponse’s comment 02 Nov 07, 11:33am
There’s quite a few holocaust victims who would question the state’s ability to care for them.
And I’m sure there are some Palestinians who would question the legality of some of Israel’s scientific developments.
And there’s bound to be a lot victims of human trafficking who may well challenge the public policy.
Anyway, not wanting to turn this into another Israel bashing thread.
I would like to say. Seth, don’t worry too much about being Sderot, you are in far more danger on Israel’s roads.
One good Arab
preemptiveresponse’s comment 01 Nov 07, 7:13am
i I was wondering how long it would be before someone posted Brando’s ignorant, ie. antisemitic remarks. I see that ‘preemptiveresponse’ is always keen to present Jews/Israelis as villains.
Brando’s comments are relevant to this conservation, which is about racial stereotyping, or propaganda.
Brando was spot on with his comments. He went on to ask how often have Jews been portrayed as villains in Hollywood, how often had they been referred as ‘kykes’. Then compare that to other races and the image that Hollywood liked to give about them.
In Hollywood the Jew was always portrayed as a humble person, a victim of circumstance, trying oh so desperately hard to survive in the concrete jungle, or as a harmless dork.
Apart from Goodfellows I can’t think of any film that has mentioned the Jewish crime gangs that have operated in the USA.
There and good and bad people in all races and the Jews have their fair share of bad, yet Hollywood has failed to notice that. And as it appears is still turning out the propaganda against those Israel would deem as its enemies.
The whole world must act
preemptiveresponse’s comment 27 Oct 07, 7:06am
Some may be interested in reading about the hypocrisy of Brown’s words.
http://www.antiwar.com/pilger/?articleid=11822
I’m always amazed why are moral outraged leaders never take hard line with Israel.
There is an obvious genocide being carried out against the people of Gaza and yet our leaders are quiet.
International law is never referred to when they discuss the occupation.
Is this because they are scared of Israel?
The only reasons I can think of are:
One; they’re scared of assassination, by some religious nut.
Two; they know that the media is pro Israel and are worried that some reporter will come up with some dark secret from their past.
Or three; they believe in the Protocols of Zion
Islamists betray Palestine
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Oct 07, 7:55am
“But it is not going to happen in the foreseeable future. The two sides are too entrenched.”
Absolute rubbish. And it’s statement like that that most likely makes people think you’re a closet zionist.
The Palestinians have always been in favour of one state for both peoples.
It is the Israelis/zionists who are against a one state solution.
Their ridiculous dream of turning an area low in resources into the national home for all Jews is totally flawed.
In order to provide water for the immigrants Israel has had to gain control of all the main aquifers and the headwaters in the Golan – which it did in 1967. From the land it is illegally occupying it takes 80% of its freshwater. An Israeli has 5 times more fresh water at his disposal than a Palestinian. If Israel were to make peace with its neighbours then it would have to give up a large proportion of this valuable resource.
If it adopted a one state solution it would have to share the resource, something it can not afford to do unless it reduces the amount of freshwater available to Israelis and settlers.
A four-letter word
preemptiveresponse’s comment 28 Mar 08, 9:00am
Thanks for your links Boremouth. But you should learn to read what is written.
I was referring to the d-e-l-i-b-e-r-a-t-e targeting of children.
The art of peace (2)
preemptiveresponse’s comment 10 Sep 07, 3:10pm
If you search ‘Gaza concentration camp’ on google Sluijerser you find the claim is quite apt.
After that you could try searching ‘Gaza Genocide’ You may even come across John Pilger’s excellent article.
A dog’s life
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Jul 07, 7:09am
Lenny I fail to see how pointing out the reality of the situation has a detrimental effect on the Palestinian cause. Perhaps you could explain why it’s detrimental. Let’s face it nothing, except perhaps opinions, any of us says is going to change until Israel decides it wants peace, or the world community puts real pressure on Israel. Neither is going to happen in the foreseeable future.
The reason I addressed my comments to you was due to your sideways rebuttal of my assertion that Gaza can be compared to the Warsaw Ghetto of 1938. You chose not to look at the evidence and dismissed the charge out of hand. As you did with the evidence surrounding the Israeli agents who were arrested after having been seen celebrating the attacks on WTC. Btw. you may remember that traces of explosives were found in their van, perhaps you’d like to watch this -
You also fail to recognise that I am addressing the policies of the Israeli state, not the Israeli people. True many support its actions but not all. Trying to slur me as an antisemite is interesting. Perhaps you are unaware that many of the Jewish groups against the occupation, and even the founding of Israel, also acknowledge the similarities between zionism and nazism. Are they antisemites too? The MPs who went to and took part in a fact finding mission in Gaza also compared it to the Warsaw Ghetto. Are they antisemites? A UN representative and Jan Egeland have described Israel’s policies in Gaza as genocidal. Are they antisemites?
Hamas’s latest coup
preemptiveresponse’s comment 06 Jul 07, 12:27pm
i There’s nowt so blinkered as an Israel-hater
Have you heard about the Israeli mossad agents who also celebrated the attacks. They were arrested and held for questioning for 70 days before Cheney secured their release.
Hamas’s latest coup
preemptiveresponse’s comment 07 Jul 07, 6:39am
A good point Azathoth. Unfortunately we are dealing with people whose entire argument relies on denial, insanity and illogic.
There’s an interesting article here about the boss of Urban Moving Systems, the company, the Israeli agents were using as a front, whose boss is wanted by the FBI for questioning about 911.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17260.htm
With God on their side?
preemptiveresponse’s comment 29 Jun 07, 7:53am
A very interesting article, thank you. Zionism is driven by the need to a create a Jewish state in Palestine. I have read it was actually Christians in North America who, were part of the genocide against the indigenous population, first suggested, in the mid 1800s, that Jews should actively seek to build a homeland in Palestine. These Christians, as the Zionists are, were aware of the importance of resource control. They must also have have known that these valuable resources couldn’t last forever. A good way to ensure they last a little longer is by reducing their demand and also their consumption. As Israel does with the Palestinians
Ain’t in odd how Jews that are against Zionism (ie. the creation of Jewish homeland on someone else’s land) and favor peace are ridiculed, whilst those pro zionists, who can’t see that removing people from their homes and taking their land causes conflict, and are favor of war, and supported like pure lunatics such as Paul Hagee, who actually encourages Armageddon, are treated like rational human beings.
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=jews+not+zionism&search=Search
The people of Palestine must finally be allowed to determine their own fate
preemptiveresponse’s comment 19 Jun 07, 5:00pm
Thanks for your post Greencourt,
It’s going to be a very tense time no matter what. I read in Haaretz yesterday that Barak is planning the invasion of Gaza.
I don’t think there’s anyway Hamas will be allowed to survive. Didn’t they take out Sheik Yassim after he started talking about a truce?
It’s just wait and see, unfortunately. But the future does seem to be in the hands of those who prefer war over peace. Some people have been suggesting that the Palestinians engage in violent ressistance to oppose the occupation, it’s a shame they can’t suggest the same course for the Israelis.
Stevejcb,
When someone like you spins ‘zionists’ into ‘Jews’ they can only have one agenda. You think what you like, in the meantime you may like to see what some non zionists Jews have and had to say about zionists, who like Hitler, are the only ones to have suggested that Jews are a race.
http://www.jewsnotzionists.org/
How war was turned into a brand
preemptiveresponse’s comment 18 Jun 07, 8:12am
You’ve been in the desert too long, wandering one. Israel has America as friend and most of the European governments. And, Jews had Arabs as friends till the zionists came along. And also, seeing as many Jews still live in Arab countries it would appear that they also get on with Arabs.
Anyway back to the subject of Israel testing weapons and security on Palestinians.
An interesting article today by Uri Avnery who believes that the blockade of Gaza is also an experiment.
http://www.antiwar.com/avnery/?articleid=11151
The sorrow and the pity
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Jun 07, 12:16pm
GOM, I thought you had decided you weren’t going to talk to me anymore.
Anyway, I saw a Hamas spokesman on Hardtalk some 3 years ago. When faced with the question of Hamas’s call for the destruction of Israel, he suggested that Hamas’s position was the need for a single secular state. This would of course mean the end of the Jewsih state but had nothing do to with killing all the Jews or pushing all the Jews into the sea, as many Israeli appologists as yourself like to claim.
How the idiots, who try to push the scenario of Hamas wiping out all the Jews, think that a virtually unarmed force could acheive this facing one of the worlds most powerful military forces is beyond belief.
http://moderate.wordpress.com/tag/history/politics/geopolitics/middle-east/hamas/
Are you Peter Beaumont, GOM?
The case for Norman Finkelstein
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Jun 07, 5:49am
Lophakin -
I didn’t say that zionists tried to block the immigration of jews from Germany into Israel. Israel didn’t exist at that time, except in the minds of zionists.
If you had followed the link -
http://www.amazon.com/51-Documents-Zionist-Collaboration-Nazis/dp/1569802351
you would have seen they were blocking the immigration of Jews into countries other than Palestine. There were limits on the number of Jews allowed to enter Palestine, what with with it being mostly desert and having limited resources.
The zionists used the holocaust to justify the need of a homeland for Jews. Gurion’s famous quote where he states that if given the choice of saving all Europe’s Jewish children by allowing them to settle in UK, or only half of them by allowing them to settle in Plaestine, he would chose the later is a good example of the mind set of the zionists.
What has happened to Finklestein is not new to critics of Israel and zionism. US politicians who have spoken out against Israel’s brutality and defiance of international law have seen their political careers come to an abrubt end, likewise journalists have suffered and other University lecturers and under constant threat. Daniel Pipes set up Campus Watch to monitor and take action against lecturers who criticised Israel. If the zionists can do this to Finklestein, who has actually tried to ease the plight of those holocaust survivors rejected by the zionists state, which has pocketed 10s of billions of dollars, then I wouldn’t hold much hope for justice for the Palestinians.
Why do they need to distort and rewrite history?
The answer could be that Israel has no intention of ending this conflict in the near future and is attempting to prepare the ground for a final solution for its demographic problems brought on by the desire to create a Jewish homeland on someone elses homeland.
The case for Norman Finkelstein
preemptiveresponse’s comment 15 Jun 07, 11:43am
Lopakhin
That’s a complicated question. But, to agree with it, one would have believe in the power god. I don’t I’m afraid.
Hitler did believe that the zionists were responsible for Germany’s demise after the war and also for their influence in extending the war past 1916. Perhaps that’s what they refering to.
I know some say that the zionists were behind WWI as a means for getting Palestine out of Turkish hands, as the Turks would never have allowed a Jewish state.
A dispatch from the frontline
preemptiveresponse’s comment 11 Jun 07, 6:49pm
-”2) It was the palestinians, not the Zionists, who rejected the Plan.
The problem we have here is that you zionists, instead of addressing the racist polices of the Israeli state, are always making excuses for its racist policies. You’re willing to go back thousands of years if necessary and don’t mind lying about it either.
I say the Arabs didn’t declare war and invade the baby Israel. They cmae to try and stop the ethnic cleansing, which had started before the partition was due to come into force. Ben Gurion, said in 1938, ‘after we become a strong force, as a result of the creation of a state, we shall abolish partition and expand to the whloe of Palestine’
http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/jewsfjustice.cfm
A dispatch from the frontline
preemptiveresponse’s comment 13 Jun 07, 1:47pm
Well, if one of the world’s most powerful military forces is scared of the virtually unarmed Palestinians. they could always put up a wall their side of the Green Line. Or is the apartheid wall only effective if it is built on Plaestinian land?
Of course this isn’t really much of option as control of the valuable water resources would once again return to the Plaestinians. This could see a complete reversal with Palestinians having the luxury of 5 times more water per capita than they get now courtesy of the peace loving Israelis, and the peace loving Israelis only getting one fifth the amout they take now.
When Archbishop Desmond Tutu said that the racism he experienced on his visit to Israel was worse than anything he expereienced under apartheid South African rule, was he lying?
1967: Abandoned and rejected
preemptiveresponse’s comment 09 Jun 07, 6:00am
You wont like this said, – “so even if you point to the Hamas Charter that calls for Israel’s destruction and suggest that maybe that’s the first thing that needs changing … “
The zionist racist policies began a long time before Hamas came along. Hamas is a result of the zionist’s racist policies. According to Archbishop Tutu and apartheid far worse than anything ever found in Israel’s good friend South Africa.
Hamas are not calling for the destruction of the zionist state, creating a single state was at one time an aim but it would have been hard for the zionists to maintain a democratic majority so that’s not an option. They are now willing to accept a two state solution, but Israel as usual is making excuses why this can’t happen. To even suggest that Hamas is capable of the acheiving the destruction of the racist zionist state one of the world’s most powerful military forces is disingenuous and only helps to prolong the conflict.
Some years ago I used to ask why it was that Israel supported Hamas, what exactly Hamas could give that Arrafat couldn’t? No racist zionist appologist could ever answer that.
Israel has no intention of moving out of the OTs. They supply it with 40% of its fresh water, which it’s in desperate need of.
Has it started building the homes to move the settlers to?
Conversations with zionists always reminds me of the scene in ‘Little Big Man’, when the Indian women poke their neddles through Custer’s ears. But then we know, as with Custer, deafness isn’t really the problem.
Right, how do you feel about all those Holocaust survivors who live in poverty in Israel because the state has appropriated most of the compensation for itself?
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