LaRitournelle

The limits of freedom

laritournelle’s comment 26 Jul 09, 4:38pm (about 4 hours ago)

rayaudrey

I still cannot reconcile myself to the idea of Netanyahu as Prime Minister but since he was the default candidate I have no option.

This sounds like a really familiar quote from one of the Tory Think Tank volunteers haunting CiF ….. I used to be a Labour supporter.… BUT … now I’ve no choice but to vote Tory…..

Total poppycock – any Socialist worth their salt in Israel would be disgusted at Netanyahu and voting for him would have been anathema to the soul.

I’d rather cut my own tongue out than ever put an X next to the box marked ‘Facist’ – so what’s your excuse???

La Rit

No state for refugees

laritournelle’s comment 12 Jul 09, 9:22pm

Locatillo:

The only ones in the conflict that have called for complete annihilation of their enemy have been the Arabs.

Not how I hear it baby….. the cancerous Arabs? Seems like Israel is more than happy to play doctor in administering lethal doses of radiation – all they need is the green light from someone and if no-one’s giving them permission, then they’ll just make a start with the white phosphorous on the ‘easy’ targets in Gaza. Do you really want to support that kind of thing or do you think we should start looking at things without our blinkers on and trying to salvage something good from a grim situation?

Jubilation1:

Take in two hundred to feed for supper and you can manage but when it gets into the thousands the purse starts to get empty.

But that’s because the purse strings are held by the rich and powerful media and war-mongers. There’s plenty for all if only the greedy psychopaths who control our lives could be encouraged to take up residence in the nearest psychiatric unit. We’d all be better off.

La Rit

No state for refugees

laritournelle’s comment 12 Jul 09, 9:00pm

Yotam:

I often wonder why is it that the establishment of a national home for the Jewish people, and the active preservation of that home as such, elicits the ire that it does./blockquote>

I will have to be over-simplistic, it being Sunday and me not being in the mood for deep socio-political analysis but, it’s not the establishment of a National Home for the Jewish people that is a problem for me, nor does it elicit ire in me – far from it. For me or many dissenters/critics, it’s the mythology of it being established for altruistic reasons.

I’m sorry to say, but it was, IMHO, established for political and military purposes as well as for dumping a mass post-war refugee problem (who may well have had too many, unwelcome Communist-leaning intellectuals among them) well away from our own backyards, not to mention being an act of racism – the British Aristocracy and Ruling Elite only hating one group of people more than they did the Jews – namely the Arabs. But they feared the Jews more.

Do you think that the British Govt. (or the US for that matter) having appeased Hitler in the ’30′s knowing full-well what he was planning and doing would have taken the risk?? I’m not saying it’s right, but the political landscape after WW2 was extremely volatile and establishing Israel as a Jewish homeland was probably the easier and most convenient option – much to the detriment of the indigenous population – namely the Palestinians.

If this argument is to move forward then one cannot give succour to a State, which judging by the mentality of its most virulent supporters, is well on its way to matching the worst aspects of all imperialistic ruling powers. Being British of Irish descent on both sides of my family, is something that gives me any particular joy to watch unfolding.

I hope that that goes some way to answering your question.

I could also say that lots of my friends are Jews, who have conflicting feelings about Israel, however, they are probably what would be described as self-hating critics of Israel so I doubt that would hold much sway here and I would still be being called an anti-semite. C’est la vie.

La Rit

It’s not British fascists we should fear

laritournelle’s comment 13 Jun 09, 1:48pm

Peter1:

This extremism climaxed with the Death to the Jews chants during Operation Cast Lead.

Help me out here Peter, you don’t consider the Jews on the Hill cheering each phosphorous bomb that hit Gaza will equivalent disgust?

Or for that matter do you consider the Jews in New York justifying mass murder of civilians, a crime and nothing more than a call for genocide?

La Rit

It’s not British fascists we should fear

laritournelle’s comment 12 Jun 09, 4:12pm

Bass46;

That’s an excellent post!

BigFaceDog: Wot a shame you can’t be the BFG (BigFriendlyGiant!)

The UK meanwhile was built on exploitative imperialism….in many cases using and abusing immigrant labour to do menial work.

The Western World has been built on exploitative imperialism!! It’s just now called Capitalism! Israel’s just desperate for a piece of the action but unfortunately, it’s just choosing to behave like the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Dutch and the British Colonialists in the 17thC!

La Rit

End this culture of Israeli impunity

laritournelle’s comment 24 Mar 09, 8:34pm

Alemild

Gordon Brown not only regularly gets down his knees to this criminal state

So does David Cameron, Boris Johnson, William Hague, David Miliband and a whole heap of uber-priviledged politicians belonging to the sect known as ‘Conservative Friends of Israel’ .

Very influential in British Elections I hear and more than ready to exploit the endemically loopholed and easily defrauded British electoral system.

Hmmmmm….

La Rit

End this culture of Israeli impunity

laritournelle’s comment 24 Mar 09, 5:05pm

DaveSlats:

Luxembourg gives more aid to displaced Palestinians than any single Arab state. Norway gives more than all the Arab states combined.

Well, as the Israeli Government is such a paranoid entity, it regularly libels and accuses charities assisting Palestinians, both within and without Israel of being ‘Terrorist Organisations”.

I think it’s safe to assume that any ‘assistance’ given to the Palestinian people by any Arab state will be seen as some kind of existential terrorist threat to Israel itself…… so the only people using the Palestinians as ‘pawns’ in a game I’m afraid, are the Israelis, to further their own warped ethnic cleansing agenda.

La Rit

The new face of US-Israel policy

laritournelle’s comment 04 Mar 09, 7:08am

Jagara:

Whenever and wherever there is terrorism on this -planet, you can bet that Iran is the one that is pulling the strings and stirring the pot.

So Jagara, I see that facile, unfounded, generalisations like this tosh, aimed at whipping up racial hatred are the order of the day today?

La Rit

NOTE TO MODERATORS: Please, can we at least try to counteract this vile racism and casual demonisation on CIF??

It’s time to rethink Zionism

laritournelle’s comment 17 Feb 09, 5:48pm

An excellent article and a refreshing read. Thank you Daphna.

No wonder there is such confusion in Israel and such an obsessive-compulsive fixation with those two old chestnuts security and eithnic purity …… this is a land in which a great majority of its Jewish citizens minds seem to have become fertilised with hatred over the last 40 years.

What could present a more obvious contradiction between reality and fantasy? The promise of a safe homeland for persecuted Jews, but a homeland that was land wrought and stolen with extreme force and violence from another people who happened to live there…. only then to be slowly but surely turned into an apartheid state, which, by its very murderous actions makes itself a depised boil on the arse of the Middle East?

Hmmmm ….. it’s high time the fidgeting was over, the Israeli extremists driven back to the fringes and some straight-talking was done.

La Rit

Peace is in the hands of the people

laritournelle’s comment 26 Jan 09, 10:49pm

Benjamin:

I think the fact that we have all been lead on a merry dance around Israel (most notably since its latest exercise in death and destruction in Gaza) the issue of its existance and continuation since 1948 (well before I was born, but which has huge significance in my present) has to be discussed seriously and with no holds barred at some point very, very soon, with ALL parties being invited to sit at the table – whether the Israelis like it or not – and if they don’t like it – well that’s tough. They want the money, they have to be willing to talk – seriously.

I’m not even sure if sucessive politicians in the US and the UK even remotely understand anymore why they continue this farcial pretence of propping up this bizarre conundrum – (apart from the massive sales of arms – which in itself is a circular agreement which puts its hands in the pockets of the UK and US taxpayer – to fund the purchase of arms from money ‘donated’ from the UK and US taxpayer to Israel to keep it afloat … what the F*** is that about? – its like £6 million pounds per pound lamb from the Faulklands – we cannot afford it. Literally, the bank of keeping Israel afloat is going to be officially closed and soon, if the current economic collapse is anything to go by.

A cross between a haven (the reasons for which have been inapproriately, gruesomly and endlessly exploited to create a permanent state of guilt to enable successive governments to keep stealing our money – which results in the deaths of countless human beings, who have been displaced and exiled for decades is, to be honest, fucked up – and that is putting it mildly.

I wonder what wonders could have been acheived, how many lives and limbs could have been improved and saved (6 million since 1994 and still counting) in the Democratic (that’s a joke) Republic of Congo if that country had had anything like the amount of tax-free handouts that Israel has been the beneficiary of for longer than we can remember?

Just because the choice of weapon is a high tech, shrapnel device designed to amputate as many limbs as possible (designed in fact to disable children specifically) doesn’t make it any more ‘modern’ than a machete in the hands of a qat-chewing mercenary.

“They only want you to see what they want you to”

and we have to look under the radar – continually – otherwise we’re lost to ourselves as members of the human race.

La Rit

Is the BBC right on Gaza?

laritournelle’s comment 24 Jan 09, 12:50pm

ArdennesPate:

Yes, in part I agree – but to ignore the humanitarian crisis in Gaza sends a very loud message to the pro-right Zionists in Britain – ‘we’re comfortable with bombing children to smithereens because we don’t want to upset the Chief Rabbi and his friends’ You can bet your bottom dollar that Jonathan Sacks and his cronies played a larger part in this decision. Does this man have the right to dictate BBC policy?

I don’t think so.

However…..

If anyone would like to make a donation through a reputable organisation, they can do so either through Christian Aid who have launched their Gaza Crisis appeal

http://www.christianaid.org.uk/

or Medical Aid for Palestinians

http://www.map-uk.org/

La Rit

What is Israel’s objective?

laritournelle’s comment 16 Jan 09, 1:26pm

Israel and Palestine need Europe to make peace

laritournelle’s comment 24 Jul 08, 10:50pm

HankNTennesee..

You got it one….

“Israel takes greater support as a sign that the settlement project is not a serious impediment to full acceptance.”

I would go further: it takes greater support as an active endorsement as ‘acceptance’ (at least by fawning European heads of state) as one of the most ethnically divided and racist countries in the world.

After seeing the distressing news this morning about northern Ethiopia where even the camels are starving….. those ‘Ships of the Desert’ who can survive almost anything and are now dying, unable to stand without assistance, then IMHO, the ‘State’ of Israel represents a microcosm of a greater inhumanity that is meted out around the world against people who are considered by those in power as ‘less than human’…

@Decoma:

I’m not past caring, but am, like you, horrified…. I keep posting because I must…

hats off to you

La Rit

Talking about Jerusalem

laritournelle’s comment 23 Jul 08, 10:07am

MichaelB:

DanWymz was right, the thread was really civilised until you and Geary tipped up with your usual foul-mouthed clap-trap….

You state:

“daily life of Israelis, problems of Israeli education system, science, architecture, current trends on pop music scene.”

Well perhaps if the Israeli Government spent less time ethnic cleansing and demolishing the homes and lives of Palestinians, building illegal settlements, using it’s army at enormous cost to protect a rabid bunch of ‘settlers’ (illegal immigrants) from god knows where, at all costs. Then perhaps some of the social problems it faces would miraculously disappear….. The whole situation is completely warped because the Israeli Govt. and its cowardly supporters here won’t stop until every last Palestinian has been wiped off the map.

Hebron’s orphans

laritournelle’s comment 30 Jun 08, 6:03pm

Arkasha… hey! Good to see you

Thanks for that….. you mean if you type in “Cyber Hatred” and Cif… my moniker’s not the first thing that comes up???? Why doesn’t that surprise me??? now wait ’til the ultra-propagandist Petra turns up, I’ll have something to say to redress the smear.

Thanks again

La Rit x

LaRitournelle

Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2008 11:05:14 -0400

Hermine – why thank you! Yes re: article… thank god, but what an accurate expression of the most uber of uber-Zios…
I have my Hazel Wand at the ready, especially for Petra(Gellhorn)MB and that SaucyHP Minx!!
Hamourabi
For your information and for the benefit of all Jews and non Jews everywhere, we do not have half of anything, and in particular Jerusalem!
We hear you loud and clear Hammie. I will continue to fight, if only in cyber-space and in my own small ways, this utter injustice and outrage, over and over again.
La Rit
HzrCif:
All of these together make me unequivocally disposed to award the Jews the entirety of Jerusalem.
Well thank the Lawd YOU aint in charge.
Award the Jews the entirety of Jerusalem? Is there some sort of Ceremony that goes with that? Let me guess….. it involves grinding every last bit of evidence of Arabs in Jerusalem/Israel into the dust for ever more. Complete eradication. No?
Now, who does that remind you of I wonder????….. Ill give you a clue: his name begins with ‘H and ends in ‘r….
Disgusting.
Lennystone:
Eloquent and brilliant as usual
I agree with you entirely. Its about time these buggers came out with it and let us know what they really think. Let dog see rabbit as the saying goes! I dont think theyre too keen though, it might sully their ‘good names.
Love the retort and analogy with the Southerners to the Biguglydog. Not surprisingly, the US is an old hand at total segregation/subjugation and demonisation so the Israeli Govt has expert handlers.
Hope you’re well?
Warm regards

Hamas and antisemitism

laritournelle’s comment 16 May 08, 11:02am

Chomskyfan

Comment No. 1352775

“Allied to this is the higher birth rate of the Palestinians which will lead in 10-15 years time to an apartheid ruling minority like SA was and we know how that ended. Olmert himself has said that when that situation occurs, Israel is finished.”

Agree with you absolutely, however, given this could be the likely outcome in just a few short years, it seems logical that the intensification in both the propaganda war (witness the tidal wave of uber-Zionist trolls from US & Israel as well as the UK here on CiF) and the ‘war’ on the Palestinians, the IG’s talk of a ‘Shoah’ against them is increasingly likely.

I’m not sure if Izrael does have the nerve to commit genocide, however, given that the media is barely referring to Izrael as an violent occupier in flagrant abuse of International Law of late, I would have thought they were capable of anything.

La Rit

Hamas and Antisemitism

LaRitournelle

Comment No. 1351101

May 15 16:24

GBR

Well, I’m now re-posting after that “technical glitch”…

So here goes…

@AKUS 1350426 & Heresiarch 1350434
One doesn’t need conspiracy theories.
http://education.guardian.co.uk/academicexperts/story/0,,2279542,00.html
May I also refer you to HarrytheHorse’s eloquent post at 1:13…

“What is the provenance of these clips on youTube? Which TV stations in Palestine were they broadcast from and when. Are there printed TV schedules which document these programmes and say the dates and times at which they were broadcast? Frankly, a clip on youTube doesn’t really prove anything in itself. If they are genuine broadcasts then you or someone else should have no difficulty in answering the basic questions I have just asked.”

Betcha can’t answer any of the above with anything remotely like substantive ‘evidence’.

Bernardotte: 1350466
Thank you for your links
I would also like to commend you on your peaceful, elegant and genuine humanity displayed time-after-time here on the I/P threads…. in the face of such onslaughts from the rabid Zionist lie-peddlers.
(Shalom/Salaam to you too!)

OrwellwasRight: 1.20 pm Wotcher!

Long time no see…. yep, they seem to think that resentment and anger ‘hatred’ even, is somehow fomented in a vacuum.
Unfortunately in the vacuous brains of the Zionist-elite not one Jew has ever harmed a hair on the head of any Palestinian without first consuming vast amounts of Arab-hatred to justify it.
The stomach sickens with each day that passes.
La Rit

Hamas and Antisemitism

LaRitournelle

Comment No. 1351137

May 15 16:36

GBR

Dear JeremyHPSauce (copyright Pretzelberg)
Comment No. 1350536

You’re at it again ain’tchaaah???? Oh, but I can’t resist… (he-he-he)

Your bezzie mates down at the Conservative Friends of Israel Club will be dropping you like a hot potato when they read this classic.

“(@ AlanJohnson) Dreadful article, of course you are wrong.

Why does The Guardian allow representatives of proscribed murderous terrorist organisions (sic) (aka the Izraeli Govt.) to write articles for CIF?”

I know, Jeremy, appalling isn’t it?

Don’t fret yourself though sunshine, there’s an army of good folk here to speak up for the unpersons of Palestine.

Take a break, you need it.

La Rit

Israel’s Jewish critics

laritournelle’s comment 05 Mar 08, 11:50am

Ahhhh… back into the fray… this thread is probably not long for this world, so unfortunately no time to read all the developments since 1830 hrs yesterday. BUT I will say… @ Donoevil! Cheers matey (-; you bet I’ll keep going! @ JeremyHP: When ARE you going to hold your little hand up and say….. “I, JeremyHP, unequivocally denounce the murderous actions of the IDF & IG in Gaza which has resulted in the brutal, violent, indiscrimminate and wholly avoidable deaths of Palestinian women, children and babies”….. Because I’m sorry, if you can’t say that, hand on heart, then I can only assume that you give your tacit support and blessing to the daily murder of innocent civilians in Gaza. Oh, and incidentally, you can carp on all you like about the ‘wonderful Israeli medical & scientific advances’ It pains me to say it, but those achievements are sadly meaningless and irrelevant to this discussion until the IG acts like it’s part of the 21stC human race and not some un-reconstructed tribe of psychotic bandits. Yours’ La Rit Edited by Moderator.