Berchmans

Lithuania neglects the memory of its murdered Jews

Berchmans’s comment, 1 August 2011 5:07AM

RumRiver

.## Holocaust denial provoked a strong response in America, ##

You have given no links I can only suggest your post is conjecture , my understanding.. which I cannot link as it is 4 57 and I should be running for work is that the holocaust was rediscovered following the 67 conquest of Israel.Up till then many had not wanted to be associated with the disaster ..it was a generation later.

However the great organ that it the American Jewish community began its tune.Previously it had for example tried to keep European Jews out of the US to establish a till of Jews who could keep the dream of zionism alive by proxy.

Only then did the Holocaust get seperated from the general slaughter in the American mind. As Finkelstein says it is a kind of currency to be used whenever Israel commits another faux pas.
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Defending the indefensible settlements

berchmans’s comment 13 Jul 09, 2:49pm

Litah

## the pro-Palestinian lobby’s own constant abuse of the contemporary language of human rights. ##

The Israelis took the language when they took the Golan.With the help of Hollywood and a slavish media we get: terrorists, ( people) bases (houses) targets ( people) strongholds ( houses) then of course proportionate,, haters and no partner for peacers You take care.

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No state for refugees

berchmans’s comment 12 Jul 09, 5:47pm

Locotillo

## I also find it amazing that many Israel-bashers on here ##

Hard to know whether to respond to this without seeming to be an Israel basher rarther than anyone who hates violence and sees Israel as nearly in the same league as Britain .

## how tiny Israel is compared to an aging and considerably larger Europe ##

It might be tiny ..but it is absurdly powerful and rich beyond comparison with a Merkeva in every drive. I bet a single Merkeva costs more than every primary school in Gaza.. I do agree however ….why should Israel take refugees when it wont take people whose grannies were bumped off hte land a few years ago.

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Netanyahu turns to Nazi language

berchmans’s comment 10 Jul 09, 4:49pm

deWinter

## you are “the good Jews.” Your friends will keep you around for as long as they need you. ##

At least they have friends!

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rainieri

## Shouldn’t you allow one anti Israeli post to cool off before you fire another one ##

Good idea .You and I should do a pro Israeli article on Netanyahoo’ s slip up. I ‘ll start.

Today the Prime Minister used the word ” judenrein ” in a bold and daring attempt to kickstart the peace process. Despite the fact that lefties and Palestinians were outraged ..well they can f*** off , cant they?

It is really interesting that Boobe used a word specificly pulling at the heartstrings of the Holocaust survivors . This is a squirmingly embarrassing insult to the the victims and is laughable given Israel is the strongest power for thousands of miles in any direction and there is no f …ing way it will ever be “Judenrein”

It is news. There has to be an article on it you must admit and to call it an anti Israeli article is lame . Your only argument is to accuse people of bias or in this case CIF …of bias .. and you are going to lose it.

You take care…not too much care …not too little …just a middling amount!

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Netanyahu turns to Nazi language

berchmans’s comment 10 Jul 09, 4:06pm

AKUS

## I’m limited to 5000 characters,##

and yet somehow all the words are the same!

## When the horrible anti-Semites stop posting here, perhaps? ##

Over and over you attempt to paint a background wash of anti Semitism on CIF. For goodness sake you must have other arguments.

No to phoney and regular accusations of anti Semitsm on CIF without references.

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Israel’s wall still deepening the divide

berchmans’s comment 09 Jul 09, 4:46pm

Cluebat

## Israel is a liberal, democratic, tolerant and pluralist society. ##

Ali: Run Mehmet here come the F16s again!

Mehmet No. They are basically decent tolerant democrats and I think we should give them a chan….

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Religious dogma has no place in the IDF

berchmans’s comment 07 Jul 09, 1:46pm

AKUS

To Moeran

## Yet another example of the abysmally absurd ignorance about Israel exhibited so frequently and shamelessly by this poster, ##

Your 12:55pm was long on accusations and short on specification. You talk of abysmally absurd ignorance and I looked forward to seeing why you were able to say this against Moeran , a very careful and accurate poster. However when it came to evidencing your caustic insults..there you were ..gone!

No to allegations without proof on CIF.

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The settlers defying Obama

berchmans’s comment 29 Jun 09, 5:29pm
PhyllisStein

## Berchmans ..slag yourself off as a racist whenever you behave in that way ##

I will write a nice poem about the settlers if you can even tangentially prove I have ever said anything that could be described as racist In fact I ll start one.

I think that I shall never see a poem lovely as a tree

Here comes a settler now ..why has he got a big feckin axe?

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Rich1

## best spot to launch rockets/dispatch suicide bombers from Not that the ‘anti-Zionists on CiF see this as a problem of course. ##

Prove it you pr@t. How dare you suggest we would tolerate violence. No to any assault on Israeli civilians.

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The settlers defying Obama

berchmans’s comment 29 Jun 09, 1:59pm

Seth

Thank you for this Seth I hope you and yours are well.

I am somewhat bemused by the settlements.The rest of the world is suffering a recession..here there are town centres with rows of empty shops and entire estates of nearly completed houses …mothballed .

Yet somehow… despite it all one group seems recession proof!

You take care.

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BBC anti-Israel bias is a myth

berchmans’s comment 26 Jun 09, 9:10am

Sharif.

This is what I call balanced!

##The absence of Palestinian sources and viewpoints, and the predominance of those from the Israeli side, go against the editorial guidelines of both broadcasters##

To be fair to the BBC in an age of quadriplegics being rocketed in crowded plazas it is not all that safe to be a spokesperson.

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Democracy, made in Iran

berchmans’s comment 23 Jun 09, 7:50am

AbeShoken

##An Iran with a Western Liberal Democracy would no longer be threatening its neighbors with exporting an Islamic Revolution ##

What is in a word eh? This actually gives your post an accent.I hear a Brooklyn twang to go with the 1st year politics earnestness.

References please for Iran exporting an Islamic revolution and kindly explain what country you see as a Western Liberal Democracy

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Anti-free speech? UK courts can help

berchmans’s comment 21 Jun 09, 5:55am

EMann

## Knee-jerk Brit anti-Americanism aside, ##

This is ridiculous. Many of us think long and hard about it …make detailed considerations and only then think thats it I hate them all except Jimmy Carter!

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Netanyahu’s gift to Lieberman

berchmans’s comment 18 Jun 09, 8:15am
yvesZ

##you think that Israel is the deadliest country in the world.##

I said one of the deadliest. Sixth in my reckoning this decade. US has been responsible for way more fatalities than anyone ..then Darfur..then Russia ..then the UK I think..its not such an easy computation what with future disease-related deaths and how much our contribution to Iraq can be analysed. Then Sri Lanka. Only then comes Israel.

I can, however see why you would attempt to misquote for added anti-Semitism . You take care.

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Israel must be a secular state for all citizens

berchmans’s comment 16 Jun 09, 6:00pm

JOHNQPUBLIC

## I must have missed all the articles on Cif bashing Iran for being an Islamic state. .##

Israel can destroy the world many times over with its ordinance ..if Iran posed such a threat and had instigated many recent wars of brutal overkill.. then you would see more Iran bashing articles.

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Israel must be a secular state for all citizens

berchmans’s comment 16 Jun 09, 5:36pm

Maajid Nawaz

## Nations are now moving towards a 21st-century identity of citizenship by allegiance, regardless of race, creed or gender. ##

Thank you for this sensible and carefully considered article.

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The unlikely friends of the Holocaust memorial killer

berchmans’s comment 14 Jun 09, 2:03pm

mathewclarke

## the evidence that six million Jews approx were systematically murdered by the Nazi regime is so overwhelming that the argument of anyone questioning this clearly is not based in fact, and they are likely to have an ulterior motive for doing so. ##

Agreed ..but who are we talking about? A few US crazies, Ahmadinijad trying to drum up support…even David Irving only disputed the numbers and relevance not the main event ..from my brief reading.

I believe that the main reasons we hear about Holocaust denial is to tar any criticism of Israel with anti Semitism.

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Be proud of those who fought in Spain

berchmans’s comment 14 Jun 09, 6:32am

GnosticMind

## the left .. notoriously anti Semitic ##

So notorious that you might be able to give a single example?

No to allegations of notorious anti Semitism on CIF without links for evidence. Having nothing else.. at all…. to say is no excuse!

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Berchmans

12 Jun 09, 4:41am

dcdoc

##Baruch Goldstein, who had rendered medical care to many fellow Israelis killed or wounded by Palestinian attackers and undertook to kill Palestinians in turn.)##

Appalling. This is a barbaric and frightening post excusing Goldstein’s murderous and racist mini shoah .

No to understanding the slaughter of anyone…even Palestinians.

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Berchmans

12 Jun 09, 4:33am

PeterParker

Re Damntheral:

## no antisemitism on CiF .???. there is plenty but it gets deleted by the time you get your head out of the ground.##

Let me get this straight. There is plenty that is not there? And there it was…gone? I would see some I reckon as I am sad enough to comb these pages specially looking for it.

For the record I saw a post yesterday comparing Israel to the Nazis and it was deleted in about 3 seconds.

So thats is probably this years quota.

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Berchmans

09 Jun 09, 12:04pm

Jubilation1

## Hamas itself has not chosen to publish any such ( new) thing as far as I can establish ##

Theyve been busy ..but I did hear rumours that were working on a less abrasive ssnappier style no more Jews hiding behind trees seeing as there were no trees left!

The issue is not how a battered resistance movement comes up with a modern, risk-assessed, non-discriminatory, fair policy ..whilst being 54@fted by the IDF.

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Berchmans

08 Jun 09, 5:53pm

JOHNQPUBLIC

## anti-semitism remains a hallmark of the European left. ##

When is CIF going to treat unreferenced and bad tempered ! allegations of anti Semitism seriously?

No to unfocused allegations of anti Semitism on CIF. Not understanding the first thing about politics is no excuse!

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Berchmans

05 Jun 09, 6:00pm (about 2 hours ago)

zamalek

## The Palestinian villages lost in Israel pale into insignificance compared to the lost or seized Jewish-owned urban property and land ##

Size is not everything. Im sure the grandsons of some old dudes with an olive grove and a goat field are just as 6155ed off as the grandsons of some guys with land five times the size of Israel
How did they get this land? Answer if you can without the term greedy 8@57@rds
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Berchmans

07 Jun 09, 5:54pm

Hisbir

##This is something that is missing in the discussion in the I/P issue. That is, the broad antisemitism in the Muslim world. ##

Something that is missing from your statement. The word now. Tough on anti Semitism.. tough on its causes.

The Vatican must search its soul over Jews

berchmans’s comment 14 May 09, 4:44am (about 23 hours ago)

David

culpability of the church for modern anti-semitism,

I havent understood this…whilst the history of the Catholic Churh has been sickeningly anti Semitic and helped enable the Holocaust ..modern anti Semitism is an IDF-related phenomena.

Tough on anti Semitism…tough on its causes.

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Allow Hamas some ‘ambiguity’ too

berchmans’s comment 08 May 09, 6:45pm (about 18 hours ago)

criticalthinkerrrr

## How the hell is talking about wiping a country off the map WORSE than actually wiping a country off the map, as one can PLAINLY see by looking at the map: ##

We seem to have looped a loop bro. I totally agree with you. I said wonderful ..I was not being sarcastic. I thought what you said was exactly right .. the pro Israelis go into orbit about talking about wiping off maps yet their people actually do the wipin

The UN on Gaza: partial and partisan

berchmans’s comment 07 May 09, 1:30pm

pizzetti

## The IDF behaved in an exemplary manner.It did all it could to avoid civilian deaths ##

Yet hundreds and hundreds died ? How f***ing hard did they try? Do us a feckin favour..if you had tipped your hat towards the death toll you would have sounded less excuse-happy. Why does this nasty little country get such servile support?

American Jewish groups must speak up over Gaza

berchmans’s comment 20 Apr 09, 5:42pm

DrJohnZoidberg

## i tend to think that the pro-israel protesters only go with the ‘anti-semite’ thing once the line has been pushed so far,##

This is naive . The constant refrain is designed to colour CIF as extremist and has nothing to do with whether or not any poster is indeed anti Semitic or no. It is part of an orchestrated Zionist assault on opinion here. I think its fair enough.. I would do it as well if I had no other argument !

Also by mobbing posters it is self fulfilling.If you are called anti Semitic enough times you become so. I did. You start hating the folk that are using this horrible and cowardly term and if they are Jews well there you go.

Berchmans

09 Apr 09, 10:30am (about 2 hours ago)

HarryG

## So for example it is perfectly possible for Arabs to be antisemites. The Hamas charter is a classic example of this.##

I believe that the Hamas charter would say kill the Presbyterians behind the tree if indeed it were Presbyterians in the Merkevas. You are making the charter sound anti Semitic in the old fashioned sense..which is mainly a Xtian phenomenon.

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Berchmans

26 Mar 09, 5:18pm

ragworm

## Also, it isn’t very helpful that Israel is referred to as ‘the Jewish state’.##

To be fair if it is not constantly referred to as the Jewish state it makes charges of anti Semitism more difficult to stick. However an IDF member is rarely referred to as Jewish Do you ever hear a Jewish pilot took out the building in Qana.? I dont think so… hes a provoked Israeli. Heres to Israel ..your flexible friend.

End this culture of Israeli impunity

berchmans’s comment 24 Mar 09, 4:33pm

VictorPurinton

## Do you believe the nation of Israel should continue to exist? ##

I do.. but I hope it wll change its name! I ve said it before but I am hoping for Palestein.

## what should Israel’s response be to armed groups that are dedicated to the elimination of Isreal ##

First response could be to ask yourself is it likely? Is it likely that the 6th military power in the world could be eliminated by a bunch of guys with kaiashnikovs and beards? Or is this squeak to cover the noise of bulldozers and F16s sparking up… the background rumble of the place?

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Discard the mythology of ‘the Israel Lobby’, the reality is bad enough

berchmans’s comment 20 Mar 09, 1:55pm

alanadale

##.. it is risible to suggest that Israeli agents are not embedded deep in the US body politic. ##

Good one. There is indeed a Jewish conspiracy …but so there f***ing should be.. if I was one I’d sure as hell be using pals ,contacts ..polical partners etc. to ensure the Jews are never again hurt ..either at home or away!

However, I would try to find a way of doing this without using the sliding scale of violence that Israel seems to achieve.. in an almost Biblical fashion… .remember the breaking of the arms with stones..traditional really going back to David and Goliath…then who could forget zapping the wheel chair guy with a laser-satellite-directed missile?..and now to the almost brimestone-like phosphorus. Now that’s a f***ing angry G-d!

There wil be a time when we see this madness for what it is.

You take care.

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Berchmans

15 Feb 09, 10:02am

shiran / SimonDubsky

## Gaza could be a successful economy if its leaders devoted their energies to building their own state and not destroying Israel, ##

Again we have the idea that Israel.. with a Merkeva in every drive ..could be destroyed by some bearded guys with Kalashnikovs . The borrowing of WW2 sentiment.. when Jewish folk were at real risk ..to build settlements is not on.

Words that cause outrage

berchmans’s comment 11 Feb 09, 7:42pm

Sunny

##There’s a good reason why British Jews worry when phrases such as the “the Jewish lobby” get bandied around with abandon.##

Of course there is a Jewish lobby ..what total 6A77ocks..they have been attacked for millenia …why wouldnt there be? Why are you so scared of it that you say silly things? I would use all my friends influences ..their resources their intelligence to protect myself.. wouldnt you?

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Berchmans

27 Jan 09, 4:04pm
pretzelberg

@ CiFSalo

If the Guardian believes in the Protocols, why (not) just re-publish them?

## Do you know how ridiculous you sound?##

Now you know he will not.. you are being unkind.

I have been doing some reseach into the use of the protocols on CIF and so far 32, 564 * pro-Israelis have referred to them and one pro-Palestinian ..who I accused of being a spy!

Take care.

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PS * Roughly!

Berchmans 25 Jul 08, 2:34pm

Berchmans

15 Jun 08, 2:20pm

WHICH IS WHICH?

## I’ve often seen your great pronouncements here – “No….” to this, that and the other, yet I’ve seen little else of substance from you.##

I have one skill. I trained in Anti Discriminatory Practice. I help CIF when it is struggling. Its a public service …anyone could do it really… regardless of gender, sexual orientation etc.

## many anti-Zionists on CiF don’t differentiate bt. their criticism of Israel and what we can reasonably deduce they think of Jews.##

Ah yes the mysterious and omnipresent *MANY*. You will not escape challenge when you try to tar CIF as anti Semitic. One example of the *many * please. One.

## their hatred of Israel is not only of her as a state but of her people too.##

But that would be anti Semitic and as I keep saying there is no Anti Semitism on CIF . One example please.

No to anti Semitism on CIF. No to allegations of rumours of it.

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A strangled people

Berchmans

03 May 08, 7:26pm

Berchmans

15 Jun 08, 12:39pm

WHICH IS WHICH

.## no criticism of Islam is allowed.. yet bashing of Judaism is?##

Kindly provide some sort of evidence for this if you can …or indeed is this yet another allegation of bias against JEWS that pops up every thread?

No to anti Semitism on CIF.. even if it cant be found!

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Berchmans

April 1, 2007 8:08 AM

AussieDigger

## Europe’s job to please the Jew-controlled Americans ##

This is not acceptible in my humble opinion.

I normally accuse such posts of being from spies as folk who post to CIF are usually a

little more subtle ..if they genuinely consider that the US is actually controlled by

people of the Jewish persuation.

The debate is the extent to which Jewish folk have influence in terms of access to

government policy and financial clout.

Whilst you can argue that these are both significant..none the less to baldly state the

words * Jew controlled * is asking for a kicking on CIF.

It helps to provide ammunition to the hundreds of posters who claim that criticism of

Israel is based on antiSemitism..

Hence if you are a spy I would ask you to please refrain from this type of activity.

If you are genuine please be aware that you are harming the cause of the rest of us

who are appalled at both anti Semitism and the activities of the IDF.

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Berchmans

Comment No. 1222860

March 25 11:41

GBR

GEARY

##How about an article describing how Pakistan or Saudi descriminate .. Greek or the

Chinese Constitutions descriminate But no. It’s got to be Israel.##

I have read CIF for 2 years I have NEVER EVER seen Pakistan or Saudi or China

defended. NOT ONCE. Very few ( Martin Smith) posters defend our wars.

Yet as sure as day follows night, a dozen posts magically appear to defend the racist

and brutal ISRAEL.. every article.

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