Did the Indy get it wrong again? G4S denies being investigated over West Bank contracts


Did the Indy get it wrong again?

You may have been following our ongoing investigation into a wild story by Indy reporter Adam Withnall, in an article on Jan 1, which claimed the Israeli government is torturing Palestinian children – a reckless charge that the paper seems to have no real evidence to support.  (Though we’ve already prompted a correction to one of the specific claims made by Withnall, we’re continuing to press them to take further action and, barring any new evidence, acknowledge that the entire story is untrue.)

More recently, the Indy published an article by Business Editor Jim Armitage (based on an unnamed source) claiming the UK security company G4S “is facing an investigation by international authorities into its alleged activities in…the occupied Palestinian territories”. However, this also may be completely inaccurate.  

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Though, according to Armitage, the “Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development’s (OECD) UK staff have indicated that it will be investigating the company’s work supplying Israeli security services,” according to a story in The Jewish Chronicle (The JC), a G4S spokesperson said that the Indy report was ‘wrong’.  The spokesperson further said that “the firm was not under investigation and that it had not been contacted by the OECD or any government department.”

Further, per The JC, the “OECD said it was not directly involved with any such inquiries.”

We’ll continue to follow this story and update you if there are any further developments.

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43 comments on “Did the Indy get it wrong again? G4S denies being investigated over West Bank contracts

  1. Can someone please investigate the Indy?
    Enough errors should cast doubt about the competence levels of the editor.

  2. The Indy story about Israel supposedly holding Palestinian children for months in outside cages was posted numerous times on the foul Bethlehem Unwrapped Facebook page (despite the fact that a number of intrepid souls posted the updates repeatedly).

    Once it’s released into the ether it never dies, no matter how many clarifications and corrections are issued–especially if it shows Israel in a bad light.

    • Just which part of the article “spread[s] the hate of Israel”, Peter? It merely draws attention to a few of Sharon’s many war crimes.

      • No worries sencar, I understand your affinity to Mira, a wannabe SS guard likes a wannabe kapo.
        It merely draws attention to a few of Sharon’s many war crimes.
        No sencar it merely excretes libels against Sharon forgetting the simple fact that she lives thank to Sharon and his comrades.
        But my favorite part is this:
        “It was then that I heard my mother say, in a flat matter-of fact tone, that if Sharon ever became Prime Minister she would commit suicide.”
        The pity is that Sharon has became prime minister before the birth of Mira.

  3. ““OECD said it was not directly involved with any such inquiries.”

    Note the weasly word ‘directly’. If there were no such enquiries at all the OECD would surely have said so.

    It is not surprising to find G4S grubbing for money servicing the settlements. As the Indy article notes, the firm has an appalling record in the UK for cheating the taxpayer and for unbelievable incompetence. It overcharged millions on its offender tagging contracts, had to call in the army to bail out its failure to staff Olympic security work properly and has just presided over a major riot in one of the privatised gaols it runs.

    Israel is welcome to G4S.

  4. Israel is welcome to G4S and any other criminal organisation – However, we should not have anything to do with G4S – G4S violates international law when assisting Israel in occupied lands break internnational law. G4S violates Human Rights when chioldren are kept in prisons under conditions which even the Israeli Ministers have complained about.
    Hungary is a sick man.

      • Now, now Peter, Dim Jim was about to treat us all to his invaluable insights (worth nothing) and his unchallengeable legal expertise.

    • ” However, we should not have anything to do with G4S”

      Who is WE exactly Dim Jim?

      “G4S violates international law when assisting Israel in occupied lands break internnational law.”

      Dear me Dim Jim what are you waffling on about?

      “G4S violates Human Rights when chioldren are kept in prisons”

      Exactly. Free the Chioldren now! Whatever they are.

  5. Gerald you would not get it – it is post 11+ stuff and it also requires you to be on this planet and in this century – You fail on all counts. You live in your own world – you still hanker for the days when Europeans were proud of their colonies – so go away

    • Very good Dim Jim.

      Now would you like to answer the questions posed to you, or are they beyond your intellectual capabilities?

    • That’s right Gerald. Europeans are no longer proud of their colonies, but they hang on to some anyway. This induces a cognitive dissonance which can only be treated with stories of wicked Sharon.

  6. We is everybody except United States of America and the states of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Palau, Australia, and Canada, G4S is a company that even lies on its invoices and can only get work in Israel against international law.

    • Dim Jim, in response to your post in which you suggested that ” However, we should not have anything to do with G4S” I asked you who is WE.
      Your response is “We is everybody except United States of America and the states of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Palau, Australia, and Canada” That response of yours plumbs new depths in stupidity even by your standards.

      You go on to write, “..can only get work in Israel against international law.”
      Guess what Dim Jim? You are wrong again.
      I can walk a few hundred yards from my home and see G4S working on different projects, and I don’t live in Israel or United States of America and the states of Micronesia, the Marshall Islands and Palau, Australia, and Canada.

      In your case Dim Jim BDS clearly stands for Bloody Daft and Stupid.

  7. The Defence minister Ariel Sharon was found to bear personal responsibility[1] “for ignoring the danger of bloodshed and revenge” and “not taking appropriate measures to prevent bloodshed”. Sharon’s negligence in protecting the civilian population of Beirut, which had come under Israeli control, amounted to a non-fulfillment of a duty with which the Defence Minister was charged, and it was recommended that Sharon be dismissed as Defence Minister.

    • You recently made the rather twatty comparison of Sharon with Hitler. Why don’t you just crawl back under your tiny little rock?

    • Jim Chance:

      “…the civilian population of Beirut,…”

      Do this Civilian population have Lebanese passports?
      If not, how come? Were they all contracted in foreign embassies or just happen to be tourists at the time?

  8. Has the Indy’s reporter(s) simply made summat up? Speculating on a rumor? Or perhaps exagerrating (the OECD says it is not “directly” involved)?

  9. ” the Israeli government is torturing Palestinian children –”

    The claim was that children were kept outside for months. It was a stupid own goal and now we are discussing the Indy being anti semitic- loving rather than the fact that a Palestinian child was kept out overnight.

    If this happened deliberately to a single child in this European degenerate country the perpetrators would probably go to prison. They would deserve to.

    • Berchmans after writing that reprehensible and racist comment on Twitter about your own Grandson, you are not in any position to lecture anyone about child welfare.

      Please don’t try and remind us that you used to be a Social Worker, those of us living in the UK know what an appalling record they have when it comes to child welfare and protection.

      Slither off with Dim Jim back under your stones, you are obviously two cheeks of the same arse.

    • Titterton Paul distorts as not one child was kept somewhere outside, but mostly adults with a few “children” of unspecified age in a facility outside of a prison for some hours till being brought to the bars.

      • Do you really think you will intimidate me by identifying me you hapless balloon? I dont think that a guy who condemns all violence against Israel would be a target of Mossad and you are clearly a cowardly and limited guy so Im not really worried that you present any sort of clear and present danger.

        Here is to the Israelis that can argue honourably

        • Not a target of Mossad berchmans not at all. The Mossad isn’t involved in manure processing. But who knows maybe the authorities whose job to restrain pedophiles will be interested….

  10. Is this not an admission of guilt by G4S as quoted in the Jewish Chronicle –

    “A G4S spokesman said the company’s position had not changed since April, when it confirmed that a full review of its Israel contracts had taken place in 2011 and that the decision “to exit contracts” was taken “in line with our own business ethics policy”” .

  11. Is this not an admission of guilt by G4S as quoted in the Jewish Chronicle –

    A G4S spokesman said the company’s position had not changed since April, when it confirmed that a full review of its Israel contracts had taken place in 2011 and that the decision “to exit contracts” was taken “in line with our own business ethics policy” .

    • “Is this not an admission of guilt by G4S as quoted in the Jewish Chronicle ”

      No, Dim Jim it isn’t.

  12. The fact that they are going to exit the contracts to comply with the business ethics policy is a clear recognition of the fact that these contracts are morally dubious and is a clear admission on part of G4S of their wrong doing. It is clear to G4S why is it not clear to Gerald?

    • Dear me Dim Jim you ask “…is a clear admission on part of G4S of their wrong doing. It is clear to G4S why is it not clear to Gerald?”

      Because there is not any clear admission of wrong doing by G4S.

      If you bothered to read the full article you would read the first sentence which is,
      “Security company G4S has defended its work in Israel and denied that it breached international law in its management of security systems at prisons in the West Bank”

      Why is that not clear to you Dim Jim?

      Dim Jim, it must be awkward when the truth does not support the twisted vision of Israel you are trying to portray.

  13. so Gerald still not got past the 11+ so explain why does G4S think that it needs to exit these contracts to comply with the business ethics policy unless these contracts are in conflict with that policy – Some explanation required. I would say you are hiding behind words – G4S obviously feels that it can be challenged if it continues with these contracts and could find itself on the wrong side of the law and wants to exit. look at it again when you have had a bit more schooling.

    • Dim Jim which part of the first sentence from the article you cited do you fail to understand?

      To remind you it is;
      “Security company G4S has defended its work in Israel and denied that it breached international law in its management of security systems at prisons in the West Bank”

      Do you understand the phrase “….defended its work in Israel.”, or the phrase “…denied that it breached international law…” ?

      Repeating what you wish it said instead of what it actually says, or stamping your feet in a little temper tantrum, will not change the truth to suit your own warped and twisted vision of reality Dim Jim.

      I am trying to be patient with you Dim Jim as English is clearly not your first, or second, language. But, frankly your inability to comprehend would make even the saintly Mother Theresa swear and spit!

  14. Whether it breached international law will be decided in the courts – I do not expect G4S to admit to guilt even before it is charged for the crime – This is why you need to look at it after you have done further schooling – Now tell me which bit of G4S statement you do not understand – G4S has clearly and without reservation admitted that its Israel contracts violate its own business ethics –

    “A G4S spokesman said the company’s position had not changed since April, when it confirmed that a full review of its Israel contracts had taken place in 2011 and that the decision “to exit contracts” was taken “in line with our own business ethics policy”” .

    your patience is appreciated it is your intel that is questionalbe – or are you just trying to pull another one -

    • Dim Jim in your post of JANUARY 15, 2014 @ 3:55 AM you write “Is this not an admission of guilt by G4S as quoted in the Jewish Chronicle”

      But now in your post above JANUARY 15, 2014 @ 7:15 AM you write ” I do not expect G4S to admit to guilt..”

      Are you really that stupid that you cannot see that you contradict yourself?

  15. Gerald as I said come back after you finish primary school – Do you not understand, if I say that I am going to stop doing something because I feel what I am doing does not meet my ethics – I might not be morally astute to go to the nearest criminal court and accept my guilt – But I accept I am doing wrong and would stop doing it.

    Perhaps from now on you can ask G4S – how they can say what they are doing is not ethical and yet they are not guilty. Again, if I were you I would wait until you improve your comprehension. I notice you are still at the age where kids call each other names in the playground.

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