The Guardian’s perverse moral logic about terror bleeds onto their culture page


In a piece published on Aug. 10th in the culture section of The Observer (sister publication of the Guardian) Anthony Sattin reviews a ‘book’ titled ‘Walls: Travels Along the Barricadesby Marcello Di Cintio, which details “eight walls around the word”.  Sattin briefly comments on Di Cintio’s ‘insights’ into the factors at play in the erection of walls in the U.S., CyprusIndia, Africa, Ireland, Canada, and Israel.

Regarding the wall in Israel, here are the relevant passages from Sattin’s review:

In eight chapters, eight walls, Marcello Di Cintio visits some of the world’s most contended regions to witness glaring examples of exclusion. Some are well-known because they continue to make headlines – the illegal wall the Israelis have built to keep out Palestinians, for instance.

Some of these stories are more immediate than others, the power of the narrative being in direct relation to the level of injustice meted out on people on the wrong side of the wall. It’s not hard to empathise with Palestinians whose lives have quite literally been cut by the wall – for many of them, their land lies on one side and their village on the other. 

Occasionally Di Cintio gets it wrong, as when he describes Palestine as “less a place than it is an idea”. Millions of Palestinians would dispute that comment. More often he gets it right, as when he considers the ways people find to subvert walls, from climbing them to cutting through them, tunnelling under them, walking around them, decorating them – Banksy being the most famous of many artists who have decorated Israel’s West Bank wall

The Observer culture critic of course completely fails to “empathize” with Israelis, and is unable to acknowledge the most obvious fact about the inspiration for the security fence – the need to prevent the murder of innocent Israelis by Palestinian suicide bombers who had infiltrated Israel from the West Bank en masse during the 2nd Intifada.

(Here are the victims from just one attack, the Sbarro bombing in 2001.)  

Victims_of_Sbarro_Massacre

Image from the blog ‘This Ongoing War’, edited by Arnold and Frimet Roth

These attacks at cafes, pizza parlors and other crowded public places popular with families and children (which ultimately resulted in more than 1,000 killed) are obviously what prompted the construction of the security fence – a quite rational (and non-lethal) measure to defend its citizens which governments have the moral obligation to undertake.

Whilst I didn’t read the book Sattin reviewed, this passage written by Di Cintio (in an essay posted on his website) provides a good indication of his politics on the matter:

Those that have been following this blog know that I’ve seen these things first hand. I’ve come to realize that the [Israeli] Wall is not a ‘security’ barrier. The Wall appropriates Palestinian land for settlement expansion in the West Bank. The Wall disrupts the Palestinian economy by dividing farmers from their fields, or by destroying their orchards altogether. The Wall creates de facto and non-negotiated borders. Rather than create security, the Wall creates the anger and frustration that inspires violence.

Yes, Israel’s security wall inspires Palestinian violence!

In Di Cintio’s warped political reality the consequences of homicidal attacks becomes the cause – an Orwellian logical inversion which befits the moral inversion between Jewish victim and Palestinian perpetrator that continues to define the politics of the Guardian Left.  

187 comments on “The Guardian’s perverse moral logic about terror bleeds onto their culture page

  1. They criticize Israel even when Israel uses a non-lethal way to stop terrorists. The fence also minimizes friction between the soldiers and Palestinians. I guess that drives Israel-haters crazy, because the “pro-Palestinian” crowed never really cared for Palestinian lives.

  2. Your use of pictures of those who have died or suffered grievous injuries provides a very real reality check. I feel sorry for them, their families, relations and friends.
    I am aware that their loss to Israeli and world society is tragic. Equally, the same can be said of the many Palestinians who have died and suffered grievous injuries.
    I just wish the politicians on all sides would stop posing and start properly negotiating in order to achieve peace and security for all.
    On a point of accuracy, the wall has been judged illegal in a court of law and I believe even the Israeli High Court too ruled parts of it illegal.
    If I am incorrect, perhaps you can provide details of the actual rulings?

    • NsJohnny still around, smears Jewish victims of terror by equating them wtih Palesinians and bringing up illegality ( of Course of Israeli Actions not of his beloved terror buddies) without giving evidence for his assumptions but demanding them from the other side.
      Kick that nazi out.

      • Another stupid Fritz comment which defies all the rules of coherence yet again.
        He really is an ignorant and stupid individual.
        Not a good role model for any decent person.

    • You’re wrong on a number of issues. First of all, it grabs much more attention by calling the barrier a “wall,” but the fact is that it’s a wall for only 5% of the length. In most cases, it’s a double fence. The Israeli Supreme Court did not rule sections of the barrier illegal, they ruled on the routing of the barrier. Finally, the International Court of Justices only renders advisory opinions.

      • Michael: it is my understanding that the Israeli High Court ruling has been ignored by the Israeli government – is that not correct? If true, what does that say about rule of law in Israel?

        • “what does that say about rule of law in Israel?”

          Compared to what?
          It’s in pretty good shape, actually light years ahead of the areas surrounding it for its liberal outlook and openness.

          • Jeff: using diversionary tactics simply will not do when Israel claims a moral high ground and its apologists like you do likewise. The apparent fact is that the Israel regime ignores rulings and judgments by its own High Court. This must therefore mean that the fiction of Israel being a country in which the rule of law is paramount is exposed as a fallacy. I do not say this with any relish. I would prefer it if Israel was a country under the rule of law but by your own apparent admission it is not. All the values which informed the early founders of Israel are being steadily abandoned and eroded. Are you and others here truly happy about this?

            • An utter lie, John, but a par for your course, no doubt.
              Not once has the Israeli government failed to comply with a ruling of the Israeli Supreme Court. Got that through your thick head? Not once(It would downright impossible for it to do so, for various reasons you couldn’t even begin to comprehend).
              Either bring forward a case(demonstrating that), or take your own advice, and shut the hell up.
              Only recently, the GoI vacated a settlement based on a verdict by that body.

              http://www.csmonitor.com/World/2012/0902/Israel-evacuates-300-residents-from-illegal-settlement-outpost

              • Read Israeli Supreme Court opinions on the West Bank Barrier Wikipedia entry, which details two main cases where the Israeli government were ruled to have acted unlawfully. Since then, the Israel government has done nothing about the judgments and the Supreme Court has done nothing to enforce them. This turns Israeli justice into a joke. The International Court of Justice has also ruled:-
                “A. By fourteen votes to one,

                The construction of the wall being built by Israel, the occupying Power, in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, and its associated régime, are contrary to international law”;

                – “B. By fourteen votes to one,

                Israel is under an obligation to terminate its breaches of international law; it is under an obligation to cease forthwith the works of construction of the wall being built in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem, to dismantle forthwith the structure therein situated, and to repeal or render ineffective forthwith all legislative and regulatory acts relating thereto, in accordance with paragraph 151 of this Opinion”;

                – “C. By fourteen votes to one,

                Israel is under an obligation to make reparation for all damage caused by the construction of the wall in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including in and around East Jerusalem”;

                – “D. By thirteen votes to two,

                All States are under an obligation not to recognize the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and not to render aid or assistance in maintaining the situation created by such construction; all States parties to the Fourth Geneva Convention relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War of 12 August 1949 have in addition the obligation, while respecting the United Nations Charter and international law, to ensure compliance by Israel with international humanitarian law as embodied in that Convention”;

                – “E. By fourteen votes to one,

                The United Nations, and especially the General Assembly and the Security Council, should consider what further action is required to bring to an end the illegal situation resulting from the construction of the wall and the associated régime, taking due account of the present Advisory Opinion.”

                Israel has also failed to abide by the judgment of the International Court of Justice.

                The Israel government has – yet again – turned the concept of the international rule of law in Israel into a joke.

                • So, cite them already.

                  Have you also missed the part that the ICJ gives an “advisory” opinion?

                  Maybe you should look up the word “advisory” is one of those rectangular objects known as a “book.” A certain type of “book” is known as a “dictionary.” Can you say “dic-tion-a-ry?”

                • Aha! So you had lied, you bastard… And you have just admitted it, so callously!
                  There’s no pending judgement by the Israeli Supreme Court which the Israeli government has not acted upon! (You say so, yourself)
                  An unrepentant, brazen-faced prevaricator! The jig is up, idiot!
                  As for the ruling of the ICJ(how’s it handling genocides in Sudan, Congo, or Western Sahara, by the way?) has not Michael explained to you what an “advisory opinion” is?
                  Repeat after me, John(here’s a useful reality check): Non-binding;. Didn’t catch that? Let’s try again:
                  Non-Binding.
                  A third time? You’ve got it!
                  NON-BINDING.
                  There; I hope you’ve learned a mighty lesson: lying on the internet, where anyone can test your pithy dissemblance, is futile.

                • John Dowdle:
                  ” … the Zio-fascist regime which controls Israel.”

                  In which parallel universe is this Israel?

              • That is typical for people of little education like NSjohnny, he doesn`t know the difference between an opinion and a ruling. For nazis, being totalitarian, it is one and the same.

                • Typical of the arrogance and stupidity of people who ignore legal rulings, however you choose to categorise them. You only take notice of the ones that suit you – not the ones that don’t. Selective adherence to law means you are just a bunch of gangsters – just like the Nazis.

            • Also, a nice, subtle, but revolting(as usual) dubbing of a government which is not merely democratically elected, but regularly, with the votes of all its citizens in free and fair elections, in a varied Parliament, composed of more than 12 parties and factions as a “regime”.
              You’re a sick individual.

              • How many West Bank Palestinians participate in your sham democracy elections?
                How many Palestinian Israeli MKs have ever served in an Israeli government?
                And you think this is a democracy? Amazing !!

                • “How many West Bank Palestinians participate in your sham democracy elections?”
                  Of course you mean Israeli elections, but you don’t want to say “Israeli,” saying “when will Palestinians vote in Israeli elections?” exposes your farce and your arse.

                  How many Israelis participate in the PA or Hamastan elections? Here John wants Palestinians to vote in their own elections AND in Israeli elections.

                  When will Palestinians in any Arab country be allowed to vote in those countries sham elections?

                  John, I wish YOU had an understanding of what constitutes the rule of law. But you don’t, and you’re pretty old not to know.

                • What I do understand is that Israel controls most of what takes place in the West Bank and levies high charges on many of the activities taking place there. A clear case of taxation without representation, which the Americans considered to be undemocratic and which lead to them declaring independence from Britain.
                  How can Israel be considered a democracy when it denies votes to people in Palestine when they are hugely affected by policies and laws determined in Israel?

                • Thank you for proving your amazing ignorance (again):
                  Nawaf Massalha, an Arab Muslim, has served in various junior ministerial roles, including Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs.
                  Salah Tarif, a Druze Arab citizen of Israel, was appointed a member of Sharon’s cabinet without a portfolio.
                  Raleb Majadele, was appointed a minister without portfolio, and a month later appointed minister for Science, Culture and Sport.
                  Abdel Rahman Zuabi, a Muslim from northern Israel, was the first Arab on the Israeli Supreme Court, serving a 9-month term in 1999. In 2004, Salim Joubran, a Christian Arab from Haifa descended from Lebanese Maronites, became the first Arab to hold a permanent appointment on the Court. Joubran’s expertise lies in the field of criminal law. George Karra, a Christian Arab from Jaffa has served as a Tel Aviv District Court judge since 2000. He was the presiding judge in the trial of Moshe Katsav. In 2011, he was nominated as a candidate for the Israeli Supreme Court.
                  Ali Yahya, an Arab Muslim, became the first Arab ambassador for Israel in 1995 when he was appointed ambassador to Finland. He served until 1999, and in 2006 was appointed ambassador to Greece. Other Arab ambassadors include Walid Mansour, a Druze, appointed ambassador to Vietnam in 1999, and Reda Mansour, also a Druze, a former ambassador to Ecuador. Mohammed Masarwa, an Arab Muslim, was Consul-General in Atlanta. In 2006, Ishmael Khaldi was appointed Israeli consul in San Francisco, becoming the first Bedouin consul of the State of Israel.
                  Arab Generals in the IDF include Major General Hussain Fares, commander of Israel’s border police, and Major General Yosef Mishlav, head of the Home Front Command and current Coordinator of Government Activities in the Occupied Territories.
                  In 2011, Jamal Hakroush became the first Muslim Arab deputy Inspector-General in the Israeli Police. He has previously served as district commander of two districts.
                  Ahmad Tibi – an openly anti-Israeli friend of Arafat is the deputy speaker of the Israeli Knesset.
                  I hope you start understand now the dimensions of your vile and bigot idiocy. (just joking John for your kind of assholes no hope)

                • Palestinians elect their reps. into the PLC(Pal. Legislative council); which should form their proto-government(Or do they now baulk at a state of their own? A volte-face, so soon?)
                  By the way, when was the last election thereto? (Hint: 2006; and we’re at 2013)
                  How long is Abbas President?(Hint, his term expired in ’09; he is de facto Dictator for Life(and SO UNLIKE Julius Caesar)).
                  No such thing as “Palestinian Israelis”. Minister of Culture, only recently, has been Raleb Majadla.
                  Ahmad Tibi(MK), who hates Israel just a touch less than you(still a bigot, though), is Deputy Speaker of the Knesset.
                  2 Supreme Court Justices have been Arabs.
                  The list, of course, goes on, and on. Tell you what: turn off Mondoweiss(or as we know it: Stormfront-lite), and preferably, shut up.

                • Whoops, Peter; Thank you for that.
                  I had not noticed you already provided our resident idiot with a comprehensive list of the integration of Arabs into Israeli society.
                  Still, better he singed twice with the truth, than never.
                  Kudos, Peter.

                • YOu mean arab Israelis MK. for them to serve in the Israeli goverment would mean that they would have to join the colaition. So far they allways refused.

            • Trolling out the same canards and distortions printed in fish wrappers like the Groan and Biased Bollocks Confabulation. It’s just so easy to jump on that bandwagon, isn’t it John?

            • Firstly, John, it’s not an attempt at diversion. It’s something that terrifies Israel haters, i.e., contextualizing. The reality upsets the equilibrium of sufferers of a farcical obsession with their favorite fantasy.
              “The apparent fact is” blah blah
              “This must therefore mean” blah blah blah

              Your parody of logic is tenuous and not to be taken seriously I’m afraid.

              ” I would prefer it if Israel was a country under the rule of law but by your own apparent admission it is not.”

              You’re wrong. I made no such admission. Why would you say I had?

              • Then why say “Compared to what”? This indicates uncertainty on your part – though you went on next to claim it was “light years” ahead of anywhere else in the region .
                I will have to leave that point because I do not have the knowledge or the time to carry our a comparative analysis of all the judicial systems in the area but I note that Britain has recently deported someone to Jordan now that their law has been changed to our satisfaction so, presumably, Jordan must be considered on a par with the Israeli system of justice.

    • … the wall has been judged illegal in a court of law…

      You mean this non-binding advisory opinion?

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Court_of_Justice#Advisory_opinion

      In principle, the Court’s advisory opinions are only consultative in character, but they are influential and widely respected. Whilst certain instruments or regulations can provide in advance that the advisory opinion shall be specifically binding on particular agencies or states, they are inherently non-binding under the Statute of the Court.

        • The Assembly was meeting in its tenth resumed emergency special session on the question of Palestine. The recorded vote in the Assembly, which consists of all 191 UN member states, was 90 in favor, to 8 against, [2] with 74 abstentions. Nineteen member states did not vote. http://www.asil.org/insigh121.cfm.
          Clearly, there was an overwhelming support for the International Court’s judgment but the American veto was wielded, thus assisting Israel’s defiance of international law. Yet again, Israeli intransigence and contempt for the international rule of law was rewarded with support from the USA. This further serves to underscore Israel’s utter moral bankruptcy where any norms of decency are concerned.

          • Oh yeah, the UN which has condemned Israel more often than Cuba, Russia, China, Sudan, Zimbabwe, Nicaragua, Cambodia, Vietnam, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, Turkey, Congo, combined? That one?

            Since you then jump to the ICJ, you obviously have a difficulty understanding the word “opinion” which others have noted. Note that Prof. Kotorovich explains that the ICJ was a request that had already presumed guilt. But, you don’t have the courage to watch the video.

    • Supreme Court determined that the state is entitled to defend itself and its citizens, even in territories defined as “under belligerent occupation” according to the 4th Geneva convention – but it cannot build a fence in order to annex land. Which means that the wall is legal. On two occasions the Israeli Government has been instructed by the Supreme Court of Israel (SCI) to alter the route of the barrier to ensure that negative impacts on Palestinians would be minimized and proportional.

  3. Nothing new here. Protecting Jewish lives is illegal at the Stur…. sorry Guardian. Different day, same shit.

    • Protecting Jewish lives is illegal at the Stur…. sorry Guardian.

      Are you intending to slur the Guardian as being Nazi-like?

      Stop it, peter. It’s just silly.

  4. Palestinian terrorism resulting in the murder of over a thousand Israelis and thousands more wounded and maimed is simply airbrushed out of existence .
    The narrative centres around Palestinian hardship and so called land grab even though a true land grab would entail a wall built on the borders with Jordan thus encompassing all the West Bank . This rationale is also conveniently forgotten .

    The Guardian , its writers and indeed the whole anti Israel movement was never so much as moved to write a genuine word of condemnation while the intifada was taking its toll of Jewish lives .

    That leads me to believe that the outrage levelled at Israel for building the security barrier is not so much about resulting Palestinian ‘ hardship ‘ but the utter frustration of seeing the Intifada Chapter brought to a premature close .

  5. Spare us the faux tears John Dowdle . Antisemites usually start off with ‘ commiserations ‘such as yours followed by the standard ‘ However’ .
    Seen it , heard it all before . Don’t try to be clever trying to ingratiate yourself on this site . Be a good boy and head back to your friends over at Electronic Intifada , Storm Front , MPACUK or some other cess pool

    • Harvey: if you re-read my entry above you will not find one single instance of my suing the word ‘However’. Your remark is factually incorrect but it seems you are yet another who lacks the objectivity to properly analyse what I have actually said.
      I have repeatedly said that I totally condemn the actions and consequences of the Nazis in the 1940s. I also condemn the appalling treatment Jews received at the hands of others in earlier eras too. As a humanist, I find it unbelievable that people who are religionists can believe and behave like this and hope one day that all people will be united as a common species of humankind.

      • “As a common species of humankind”
        Whether he means certain people currently aren`t part of the common species whether he poses as wannabee when only showing his lack of education by using a pleonasm, he remains NSJohnny.

      • So you need to find some way to shift that blame to others? Jews have to be guilty also. That kind of guilt projection been shown as a way of coping with guilt.

        Get help dealing with your guilt. Don’t look for proxies to relieve your guilt for you.

        • Do not worry. I feel no guilt for anything. I was either too young, not alive or not involved in anything I would need to feel guilt for. Thank you for your concern.

            • Absolutely right. If you want to consider yourself racked with guilt – you go right ahead. You must have some sort of guilty conscience about something or another, I guess. You can be sure I do not.

              • Everyone has guilt in his/her life. You attempt to project guilt on others as proxies. It shows how weak you really are.

      • JD:

        “I have repeatedly said that I totally condemn the actions and consequences of the Nazis in the 1940s.”

        You condemn their inability to “finish” the job, or their actions which upset the Russians and got them dragged into the war?

        • I condemn the carving up of Europe through the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, which allowed the Nazis to start World War Two. As far as I am concerned, the Nazis and Soviet Communists were just mirror images of one another, who presided over their societies through the use of fear and totalitarian control. I condemn them both.
          I am glad they both lost. It is a pity they both did not disappear much sooner than they did. A lot of lives, heartache and suffering would have been spared if they had gone sooner. All the more reason to ensure they never return again.

          • I condemn the carving up of Europe through the Molotov-Ribbentrop Treaty, which allowed the Nazis to start World War Two.
            John history (among others) is not your forte. Europe has been “carved up” by the UK and France after WWI according to their imperialist interests (exactly like the ME) and with total disregard of the local populations’ ethnicity, culture, language, religion, tradition etc. producing all necessary conditions for the next turn. What really allowed the outbreak of the war was the coward treason of the British government led by Chamberlain provoking the Soviets (who understood perfectly well that the British are trying to direct Hitler to the East) to sign the Molotov Ribbentrop pact.
            They don’t have History 101 in the UK anymore?

            • Peter: I am not talking about the longer-term causes of the Second World War.
              The British economist Keynes spelled those out clearly in the aftermath of the Versailles Conference. Even then, it was not necessarily the case that a Nazi party would rise to power and even by the time of 1939 it was still possible that Hitler and his cronies could have been removed by the German military high command.
              The Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact provided Hitler with the breathing space to launch an unprovoked military aggression in league with the Soviets who – as I am sure you must be perfectly aware – carved up Poland and the Baltic states for themselves.
              You may choose to believe that Stalin adopted this course of action as a perfectly defensive posture as he believed that Nazism was the evidence of the last stages of capitalism. If he was so confident that capitalism was on the verge of self-destruction, why then did he enter into a pact and why was he so obviously taken by surprise when Hitler’s forces launched the invasion of Russia?
              Incidentally, 101 is not a term we generally use in the UK – which reveals a lack of knowledge of what actually goes on in this country. Is that not correct?
              I don’t know if you are a Hungarian or not but you must surely be aware that it was Hungary which collaborated with the Nazis even before the 1939-1945 war – unlike us in Britain who fought them both for the entire wartime period?

              • Incidentally, 101 is not a term we generally use in the UK – which reveals a lack of knowledge of what actually goes on in this country. Is that not correct?,/i>
                Exactly as you said, I’m not familiar with many things in the UK albeit I speak the language, was there innumerable times, read some of local media, but I don’t feel the need of meddling in its affairs. Not like you who knows nothing about Israel, Palestine and the ME, don’t understand any of the local languages but thinks that you have the right to educate the “savages”. You must be some kind of fossil from the British colonial past.
                I don’t know if you are a Hungarian or not but you must surely be aware that it was Hungary which collaborated with the Nazis even before the 1939-1945 war – unlike us in Britain who fought them both for the entire wartime period?
                Yes John, Hungary played an active role in WWII on the Axis side (a direct consequence of the Versailles/Trianon treaties) and when my grandparents tried to escape from there their entry into the UK has been denied as “hostile aliens” not unlike in other European countries. Exactly this is the reason that us Israelis despise you and your comrades when you are trying to teach us the rules of decent behavior.
                BTW Britain fought the Nazis in order to keep their colonies and to remain the leading power in Europe and not any ideological reason.
                If you don’t have History 101 maybe you should start the elementary again, it would make you busy and you won’t have the energy to demonstrate on blogs your vile hatred of Jews.

  6. John; “Your use of pictures of those who have died or suffered grievous injuries provides a very real reality check. I feel sorry for them, their families, relations and friends.”

    It’s nice to hear that you can empathise with Jews in the contemporary world whose lives have come to a violent end because they are Jews. But the fact that it takes CifWatch to bring you to this realisation reflects badly on the culture in which you have been conditioned, which is generally devoid of any narrative that shows Israelis / Zionists / Jews as fellow human beings.

    • Groovy: I am a humanist. I find it appallingly sad that anyone is lost to us all. That is why I cited “For whom the bell tolls” by John Donne. It may be naïve but I would far rather prefer it if all human beings co-operated together to provide us all – including future generations – with a greater future.

      • Groovy: I am a humanist.
        And I’m Zorba The Greek.
        Were you really a humanist and not an obsessive Israel/Jew hater then you would be very busy with posting on blog sites whose subjects are the crimes against humanity in Syria, Egypt, Iran and not with ignorant and libelous accusations against Israel. The rule of the law maybe isn’t perfect in here (where is?) but certainly much stronger than in the UK where criminal vandals get acquitted by politically biased judges, where Nazi thugs can make disturbances at concerts and other cultural events unpunished and where an MP can openly give money to an organisation considered illegal by the UK government. You should concentrate to your own house and leave alone situations you know nothing about apart from propaganda masquerading as information learned at anti-Israel sources. (could be that I’m mistaken and you read and understand Arabic and Hebrew giving you the basis to follow the local media getting real, unbiased and real-time picture on the situation.

        • Hard to take criticism – whether meant positively or otherwise – from someone who uses the blog name peterthehungarian and then claims to be Zorba The Greek.
          It should not really be necessary to have to explain that there is a difference between Hungarians and Greeks to someone who masquerades under the phony identity of one – or both – nationalities.
          You are right about the world being filled with human rights abuses.
          Three years ago I was asked to chair a Palestinian friendship group. Up till then, I had focused more on humanist and secularist causes. Since then, I have taken up this cause and I will continue pursuing it until such time as Israel and Palestine are able to achieve a mutually acceptable agreement.
          The instances you cite are non-specific so it is impossible to respond to them but one thing I do know: Britain hardly if ever finds itself in breach of European and international human rights law. The same cannot be said about Israel. According to Palestinian human rights groups, the same is regrettably true of the Palestinian authorities too. It is a case of two bad examples co-existing alongside one another.

          • You know, John, that Peter’s comment about being Zorba the Greek was tongue-in-cheek, don’t you? Ignorant or dishonest?

          • It should not really be necessary to have to explain that there is a difference between Hungarians and Greeks to someone who masquerades under the phony identity of one – or both – nationalities.
            Your reaction is not surprising at all. Bigots have the IQ, sense of humor and the ability of understanding simple texts like an amoeba and you are not an exception.
            The instances you cite are non-specific so it is impossible to respond to…
            This sentence of yours shows that you are laughably ignorant of UK matters too not only of the ME.
            Maybe you should study these events in your own shit hole:

            http://www.jpost.com/International/UK-factory-saboteurs-acquitted

            http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14756736

            http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jOjOUnorBs-cH0fNOpyL0WxZ3DQA?hl=en

            Since then, I have taken up this cause and I will continue pursuing it until such time as Israel and Palestine are able to achieve a mutually acceptable agreement.
            I see, you are ready to fight for the Palestinian cause to their last drop of blood, but don’t give a shit about Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Egypt – no Jews are involved there. Your kind of humanists have a very interesting idea of humanism.
            Anyway if the Palestinian have “friends” like you – they are definitely doomed.
            When you are going to start to learn any of the local languages? Don’t worry only joking, you and comrades couldn’t learn how to wipe your own ass or blown your own nose.

            • The links you supplied were all related to the genocide carried out by Israeli forces against Gaza. Yes, people in the UK who have feelings of decency and fairness find the arrogant ruthlessness displayed by Israel in its assault on largely defenceless Gazans disgusting and unacceptable.
              We stood with the people of Europe in their battle against Nazi tyranny and we also stand with people like the Gazans who wish to be free from Zionist Israeli tyranny.
              I will not be diverted because I know you could not care less about the troubles being visited upon the people of Libya, Egypt and Lebanon. It represents a pathetic attempt to divert attention away from the wrongs of Israel – of which there are plenty.
              I think it is Israel which is doomed – unless they start acting like a civilized country – which would be a most welcome development, just for once.

              • We stood with the people of Europe in their battle against Nazi tyranny and we also stand with people like the Gazans who wish to be free from Zionist Israeli tyranny.

                Who is this “we” exactly – you and that old geezer selling his sole copy of a 1987 Morning Star outside B’ham New St. station?

                I will not be diverted
                You already are – severely.

              • I see John that in your book to vandalize private property. disrupt cultural events by violent thugs and financing Jew-murdering fascist terrorists are acts of decency. Thank you for clarifying your worldview.
                …find the arrogant ruthlessness displayed by Israel in its assault on largely defenceless Gazans disgusting and unacceptable
                But of course you find unacceptable that Jews won’t let to launch rockets on them and not volunteer to be murdered.
                I will not be diverted because I know you could not care less about the troubles being visited upon the people of Libya, Egypt and Lebanon.
                Exactly as you said. I don’t give a shit about the troubles in those countries but I don’t masquerade as a human rights warrior like you. These troubles are not being visited upon them out of the blue but are the direct consequence of their culture and religious fanaticism.
                It represents a pathetic attempt to divert attention away from the wrongs of Israel – of which there are plenty.
                Fantastic John. Debunking your faux worries about human rights is only a diverting tactic. You don’t give a flying falafel about the mass murder of Egyptian Christians, the more than 100000 dead of the Syrian religious war where the number of murdered civilians during two years is far beyond the number of the casualties during decades of war including Jews and Arabs. But I can understand your lack of interest – no Jews involved.
                To make the long story short you John are just a simple field version of the Jew hating Eurotrash, an especially vicious and moronic specimen (even taking into account the total lack of intelligence and knowledge of the kind).

                • the more than 100000 dead of the Syrian religious war… But I can understand your lack of interest – no Jews involved
                  Other than the Israelis (a high percentage of whom are Jews) who are risking their own lives* in field hospitals on the border with Syria to save Syrians injured in their war.
                  *A friend whose son is an army medic at the field hospital told me how various projectiles would be whistling over his head as he was treating them.

                • cba you will be informed by John that we treat them only to steal and sell their organs. He knows this from the very decent baroness Tonge.

              • You’re not only disgusting and morally bankrupt, you’re downright stupid. The Israeli military is more than capable of committing genocide if that was the objective. Out of a total of over 5 million, the number killed is in the thousands. Apart from that under Israeli governance, the Palestinian population has increased. That doesn’t happen under genocide.

                You just brainlessly repeat the same tropes printed in the sorry excuses for journalism dissected on this site. A wouldn’t compare you to a parrot because that would be an insult to parrots.

              • An other pearl of wisdom from John:
                We stood with the people of Europe in their battle against Nazi tyranny…
                says John the pupil of Chamberlain. Your solid efforts not allowing most of the escaping Jews into the UK is the best illustration of your standing. I suggest you to read something interesting about your heroism against Nazi tyranny.
                …and we also stand with people like the Gazans who wish to be free from Zionist Israeli tyranny.
                A very interesting kind of tyranny without any occupying force in Gaza – but I don’t expect anything else from you.

              • “the genocide carried out by Israeli forces against Gaza.”

                Genocide? Oh, come off it!
                How about having the decency and fairness not to push slanders?

                “we also stand with people like the Gazans who wish to be free from Zionist Israeli tyranny.”
                Are you joking? The Gazans “who wish to be free from” blah blah…really want Israel destroyed. You know this!
                Hamas puts munitions and and rocket launchers amongst their civilians BY CHOICE. That’s a war crime. You know this!
                The IDF takes more care to avoid civilian casualties than Britain ever has, and is more successful at it than Britain has ever been. Yes, Israel, the Jewish State, has exceeded Britain in humanitarian law. Chew on it and swallow hard Johnny. Hamas doesn’t observe humanitarian law, that could get in the way of its plans, you know.
                Now go sit on your thumb and rotate.

          • Dowdle I see you are either exhibiting your stupidity or tendency to lie again.
            “..one thing I do know: Britain hardly if ever finds itself in breach of European and international human rights law.”

            But a report commissioned by MPs contradicts you.
            “The report, commissioned by the MPs says that since Britain subscribed to the jurisdiction of the ECHR there have been more than 350 rulings on whether the UK has violated convention rights. The number of judgments made against the UK is 271, against only 86 in which it was successful.”

            So tell me Dowdle when the ECHR finds that the UK has violated European Convention rights in 271 out of 350 rulings that, in your razor sharp mind, is “hardly if ever”?

  7. You appear none too bright Dowdle.
    The ‘However ‘ is your comparison of the deliberate murder of Israeli civilians by brain washed Palestinian sociopaths with Israel s subsequent retaliation . Not against civilians but the terrorist networks who hide themselves among civilian populations .
    As for judgements regarding the security fence , as others have said elsewhere , the Israel Supreme Court has the final say and will rule on objections regarding its route . In such cases it balances the need to optimise Israels security with that of undue hardship to Palestinian land owners .
    If only Hamas and Fatah were as sensitive to Israeli rights to life before sending in their drones to murder and mutilate .
    If you are still around and as you are a ‘ humanist ‘ maybe you can direct me to some of your previous comments on some Palestinian sites condemning their terrorist atrocities . As a humanist like .
    Looking forward to that .

    • ” Israel s subsequent retaliation ”

      I love the ” subsequent ” . By qualifying the retaliation you have given the game away.You know the ground is weak. The use of state -of- art munitions on a largely civilian populalation is clearly justifiable to some . Good luck with that.

      Adam

      “bleeds onto their culture ”

      This was a good article Adam but you over egged the omelette with this expression . You should not always cater for the low hangers like

      peterthehungarian

      “Jewish lives is illegal at the Stur…. sorry Guardian. ”

      To compare the two then get 12 supporting votes ? There is no subtlety here is there? I think I may go back to CIF ?

        • “Are you familiar with the term human shields, Jasper”

          I heard it from the Egyptian military this weak . Are you familiar with the term “you are leading with your jaw? “

          • Apples and oranges. Protesters in Egypt don’t fire rockets from schools and hospitals targeting civilian populations unlike your gallant “heroes.”

            • Mike:

              “Protesters in Egypt don’t fire rockets from schools and hospitals targeting civilian populations unlike your gallant “heroes.””

              I beg to defer.
              They most certainly did fire live rounds from within crowds.
              They also torched various churches and schools.

              • I hadn’t seen the reports of firing from within the crowds, however the action of setting arson to churches and schools doesn’t warrant an aerial assault.

                Let’s put into perspective. If the MB gains control of some of Cairo’s neighborhoods and then starts using schools and mosques at rocket launching pads aimed at other Cairo neighborhoods, while at the same time, surrounding the buildings with women and children, it would be more analogous to Israel’s situation.

      • I love the ” subsequent ” . By qualifying the retaliation you have given the game away

        What’s he supposed to say – “preceding” retaliation??

      • “civilian populalation”

        Jasper in the ‘La La’ land that you live in you have a ‘populalation’?

        “To compare the two then get 12 supporting votes ? There is no subtlety here is there? I think I may go back to CIF ?”
        Jasper I wonder why you are using question marks where they are not needed. Could it be that you are compensating for not using them while posting under one of your other ‘names’?

    • Cutting through your verbiage, Harvey, I was right and you were wrong about my use of the word ‘However’. If you never learn to admit your mistakes you will never learn anything of value – are you already at that point now?

    • Harvey: I have previously stated my opposition to stupid little rockets being fired from Gaza. They achieve nothing militarily and are more a reflection of weakness than anything else. They also get in the way of carrying out negotiated pace deals.
      Elsewhere, I have commented on human rights abuses carried out by the Palestinian authorities; they are no more or less acceptable than similar abuses carried out by the Israeli authorities. They are equally detestable to me.

      • You’re sick. You state opposition to firing rockets because it achieves nothing militarily and get in the way of making deals. At the same time you condemn Israel for human rights abuses when it acts in self-defense.

        So, violating the rights of Israelis who are harmed by the rockets is not cause for condemnation, only that it doesn’t advance the Arabist agenda. You’re disgusting.

        Palestinians using children to carry suicide belts is equitable to a pinpoint strike on a terrorist in the midst of war? You’re a sick and disgusting individual.

      • stupid little rockets? LOL you people are never tire of making those rockets look so peacefull They achieve nothing militarily? but they do according to Hamas policy which is to kill as many Israelis as possible.

        • Alexa: you seem like a reasonable person so I will ask you to set aside the ‘you people’ mindset you appear to have acquired and appeal to you to deal with all people as individuals. I will never confuse you with someone like Fritz !!!
          The truth is they are stupid little rockets. They do on occasions cause damage and injuries, even deaths – which is to be condemned entirely. I think the firing of rockets is more a sign of the pathetic weakness of Hamas and other groups inside Gaza than anything else. The real effects are more psychological than they are physical.
          Ultimately, it is up to the politicians on both sides to come to an agreement on this issue – that includes Israeli as well as Palestinian politicians getting involved.
          Israeli politicians cannot say they will not engage with Hamas and then complain about Hamas failing to control dissident elements inside Gaza. If Israel were to relax border crossings for all Gazans such that their quality of life improved, this would gain Israel a lot of real credit in the world – but are they up to it? Not so far !!

          • Welcoming mass murder?

            Here NSJohnny implies the equaution of the Nazi tyranny with Israel, hopes for the doom of Israel and talks of freedom from tyranny, now he wants relaxed border crossings from the tyranny.

            http://cifwatch.com/2013/08/18/the-guardians-perverse-moral-logic-about-terror-bleeds-onto-their-culture-page/comment-page-1/#comment-134680

            “The links you supplied were all related to the genocide carried out by Israeli forces against Gaza. Yes, people in the UK who have feelings of decency and fairness find the arrogant ruthlessness displayed by Israel in its assault on largely defenceless Gazans disgusting and unacceptable.
            We stood with the people of Europe in their battle against Nazi tyranny and we also stand with people like the Gazans who wish to be free from Zionist Israeli tyranny.
            I will not be diverted because I know you could not care less about the troubles being visited upon the people of Libya, Egypt and Lebanon. It represents a pathetic attempt to divert attention away from the wrongs of Israel – of which there are plenty.
            I think it is Israel which is doomed – unless they start acting like a civilized country – which would be a most welcome development, just for once”

            He definitley is a nazi.

          • For the Israeli civilains it dosen;t matter if they are stupid or not. Any rockets that goes out of Gaza send Israeli running to the shelters. So I want to see if you had your children running for shelters for 8 years you would mind if they were stupid or not. YOu would only want them to stop running for shelter. As for Hamas ,it will not really help if Israel will negotiate with Hamas or not. Hamas can say what he wants there are many millitant group in Gaza who make Hamas look moderate. They don;t care what hamas say they will continue to shoot becuae for them there is no question of any negotiation with Israel. As far as they are concern there is only one option, death to Israel.
            As for the crossing . After Israel left Gaza there was no blockade the crossing were open and Fatah was in charge yet days after Israel left they continue with their rockets.
            ‘Agreement on Movement and Access’ between Israel and the Palestinian Authority was brokered by Condoleezza Rice in November 2005 to improve Palestinian freedom of movement and economic activity in the Gaza Strip. Under its terms, the Rafah crossing with Egypt was to be reopened, with transits monitored by the Palestinian National Authority and the European Union
            After Hamas took over they removed Fatah officials and the Europeans suspended their mission. Firing by Hamas at the crossing didn;t help either,
            So it is all nice and easy to blame everything on Israel but there are other parties. Beside Hamas there are the Egyptian who have a border with Gaza yet not a word is spoken about how they block the Gazans.

  8. think I may go back to CIF
    A perfect choice Jasper. CIF is your and your kind of persons natural home.
    I’m sure you will be warmly welcome there.

  9. ” I guess its just to painful no to be able to put Israel in the dock”

    Are you mocking my Scottish accent ?

    peterthehungarian

    “…CIF ..your kind of persons natural home”

    It is kind of you to think there could be others that are like me . CIF still puts me on pre moderation . I know I only have to write a few posts and apologise but I find this difficult.

    Also there are thousands of posters no sense of individuality like here. I may hang around.

  10. The Guardian can’t bear the idea that the fence has saved countless Israeli lives. Giving the Pals a few more acres of land to launch attacks from is much more important to the Guardian than protecting Jewish lives.

    To acknowledge the real purpose of the fence would reveal the true extent of Palestinian terrorism, and the Guardian cold never countenance such a thing.

    • Andy: I suggest you look up the history of C. P. Scott (his picture is shown at the top of the banner above) as he was generally considered to be an ardent Zionist.
      I think you and many other commenters to this blog have failed to realise this.
      What do you make of the history of the Guardian now?

      • Oh goody. So some time way back, the Guardian was owned by an “ardent Zionist”. That must mean that everything it has ever published should be viewed as coming from an “ardently Zionist” source.

        By that argument, no Jew should buy anything made in 21st Century Germany, because the country was once ruled by an “ardent antisemite”. By that argument, South Africa should still be considered an apartheid state, because it was once run by racist Afrikaaners.

        Guess what, Dowdle, times change.

  11. @ItsikDeWembley. The report states that the fire coming from within the crowds is in the minority and it implies that that it was return fire after the army moved in very violently.

    That contrasts to Israel in which the Palestinians fired 8,000 rockets into Israel before Israel responded.

  12. That contrasts to Israel in which the Palestinians fired 8,000 rockets into Israel before Israel responded.

    This is such a skewed way to describe it. There was a ceasefire.In 08 for 3 months up to the 4th Nov 08 murder of the Hamas leaders. Any time peace looks possible the IDF will find a way to sabotage it

    • You’re full of it. Ahmad Jabari was killed during the war and what led up to the war was renewed rocket fire on Israel.

      The only peace that you advocate involves Jewish graves.

      • Are you sure of your facts? My understanding is that he was killed before the full-scale Israeli military attack on Gaza began. It was said at the time that he was working on a peace agreement with the Israelis and it was his murder by Israeli forces which then undermined fatally the peace process. If you know different, please provide evidence of this. Thank you.

          • My understanding was that no rockets had been fired but that Pillar of Cloud began with his assassination. The article confirms they both took place on the same date – 14 November 2012. It was also claimed that he was in the process of working with the Hamas leadership and Egyptian intelligence to agree a long term truce with Israel. Perhaps Israel did not want a long-term truce?

            • No that’s after hundreds of rockets had been fired into Israel, a fact which doesn’t matter to you except that “it doesn’t achieve anything militarily.”

            • israeli citizents just didn;t like to keep running to shelters all the time. How strange of them.
              On September 17 rockets and 8 mortar shells october 116 rockets and 55 mortar shells.

              November 11
              Gazan groups fired over 100 rockets and mortars at Israeli cities and towns.
              November 12
              After a relatively calm night, Gaza gunmen fired nine rockets at southern Israel. Seven rockets were fired at the Negev region and two towards Ashkelon

              • Alexa: Thank you for the information.
                This has clarified the situation as it existed at the time.
                I have said elsewhere that I do not approve of rockets being fired into Israel.
                I still believe that the response from Israel was wholly disproportionate and that the suffering inflicted on the Gazan people was out of all proportion to the extent of the provocation experienced by the Israelis.
                Ultimately, there has to be a peace deal between the two parties who are in contact with each other as we know from the negotiated freeing of Gilad Shalit.
                Otherwise, this cycle of violence will just go on endlessly until such time as one side destroys the other; either result would be a world scale tragedy, if we are honest.

                • In that case a proportionate response would be to indiscriminately fire rockets into Palestinian neighborhoods.

                • I am quiet sich of people saying Israel responded disproportioanly. This is not a game of fair fight. YOu fire a rockets I will do anything to make you stop. That is all. You don;t want to stop? your problem, don;t come crying that it isns; fair.
                  Peace deal between Israel and Hamas? LOL they can;t make a peace deal with the PLO . Thic cycle of violence will go on becasue as far as hamas are concern we Jews can;t have an independent state. We can be dhimmis in one big Plaeintian state from the river to the sea. This is all about religion. I know you won;t agree becaseu people can;t accpet the real motivation of Hamas. It disturb their belief of right and wrong.

    • By the way, we don’t wait for terrorists to carry out actions until we respond. They are just as guilty in the process as in the process’ conclusion.

      • ” we don’t wait for terrorists to carry out actions until we respond ”

        As long as you wait till they are adults . Recently it hasn’t seemed important.

        • Oh, so we should just let ourselves get attacked. We’re just a bunch of Jews, why should someone like you care?

          • “why should someone like you care? ”

            How on earth do you think you know anything on what I am like based on a few sentences? I imagine you to be complex, diverse , good at some things lousy at others.

            ” We’re just a bunch of Jews ”

            A truly shameful ,self pitying and ignoble statement. You are implying that I am an anti-Semite. Always the first tool in the box is it not?

              • ” you would take away Israel’s right to self-defense. ”

                First you again seem to be able to predict things about me based on a line or two. I believe in a really powerful Israel able to defend herself behind the 67 lines where she will receive the support of the whole world.

                • First of all, Gaza IS behind the 1967 lines, so you’ve lied.

                  That is not to say that Israel should even have to withdraw behind the 67 lines though.

                • behind the 67 lines where she will receive the support of the whole world
                  Just like it received when it withdrew totally from Gaza, right?

                • To be honest, I am not sure why you are saying what you are saying.
                  To my recollection, Israeli withdrawal from Gaza did receive wide global support.
                  Are you saying that was not the case? If so, can you provide specific examples?

  13. I’ll tell you what John. Watch the video that Jeff has posted above and then tell us about “international law.” Of course, watching that video would entail having courage to be proven wrong and I doubt that you have the courage.

  14. John Dowdle
    ‘I have previously stated my opposition to firing stupid little rockets . They achieve nothing etc ‘

    I fully understand that . Far better they were larger rockets with guidance systems . Rockets that could do real damage . That’s what you are really saying . Lamenting over the lack of fire power . Disgusting . You are fortunate that CIF has a fairly liberal attitude to ‘ humanists ‘ such as yourself posting comments here . Now why don’t you report back to your fascist comrades at the PSC .

    • Harvey: don’t be so stupid. You are sounding like the idiot Fritz. You have got yourself all-hysterical and now spin what I say into its exact opposite. You do yourself and your cause no good at all by misrepresenting what other people say.
      It just confirms how far you and most of the other contributors to this blog have ended up in self-isolation and self-delusion about anyone else who holds a different perspective from yourselves.

      • You condemn yourself with your own words. Harvey nailed you right. You don’t condemn the rockets as acts of terrorism against a civilian population, only that they don’t achieve anything militarily. You are disgusting and morally bankrupt.

      • When people fire rockets they should be ready to suffer the result no matter how big and powerful they are . When a rocket hit the target it kill or seriously wound. Don;t shoot and than cry to the world that it is home made rockets of small or whatever.

        • Alexa: I agree with you – no one should be firing rockets or any other form of military hardware around. It does not achieve any long-term goals worth pursuing and is completely unhelpful. There are some who do attempt to defend the firing of rockets from the Gaza into Israel – I am not one of them. OK?

    • Very amusing! Dream on sunshine boy – you really are a total fool. Still, you provide everyone with one good long laugh so even a fool like you has his uses, I suppose.

  15. I am signing-off on this blog to focus on anti-Zionist and anti-fascist work.
    If any of you are interested, perhaps I might see you outside the new Brent Civic Centre, Engineers Way (opposite Wembley Stadium) at 11.30 a.m. on Monday, 9th September to join a protest against a visit by Narendra Modi, the former Chief Minister of Gujarat and current Prime Ministerial candidate for the Indian Hindu supremacist Bharatiya Janta Party (BJP), avowed admirer of Hitler and his policies.
    In 2002, Modi presided over genocidal attacks which led to the deaths of over 2,000 men, women and children from Gujarat’s Muslim minority community.

    • I am signing-off on this blog
      Hahahahaha! Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure you are… until you’re back with another nick. Your ilk just can’t stay away.

    • I am signing-off on this blog to focus on anti-Zionist and anti-fascist work
      Using more precise and clear language without codes like “ant-Zionist” you will concentrate on spreading anti-Semitic propaganda. When you say anti-Fascist you mean the support of openly fascistic movements like Hamas.

  16. “Your ilk just can’t stay away. ”

    I am of his ilk and I cant. The problem is the Guardian has thousands of posts and there is no individuality. Also all the Zionists have been banned as they have difficulty with subtlety and understatement. Hence everybody agrees and it is boring.

    There are no folk there that still use the word ” fascist ” like we did at my prep school. Coming here takes me back to a world of good guys and bad guys …as Enoch would say..” a return to the great simplistics”

  17. Before you go little Johnny, you’ve asked about the 67 lines and obviously have problems reading, you and Jasper try to claim that Israel was wrong in responding to rocket fire from Gaza because of 67 lines.

    • “Israel was wrong in responding to rocket fire from Gaza because of 67 lines.”

      Israel is dealing with a fractured piecemeal opposition , imprisoned terrorised and targetted. How easy is it for a country that gets billions from the US to bribe or terrorise some murderous wackos into sending rockets so they can retaliate.

      It the Palestinians had a partner for peace this would be over in minutes. As the US sinks into the west we will watch as the position becomes less and less tenable. Just as well there are countries which have never had any anti-Semitism ..you will be welcome here as long as you leave your politics behind.

      • But of course Jasper. The Israeli government pays Hamas in order to launch rockets at israel. And Erdogan has evidence that Israel is behind the downfall of the MB.
        It the Palestinians had a partner for peace this would be over in minutes.
        Of course! As in Camp Davi, Taba and Ann Arbor when the Palestinians offered everything the Jews wanted but the Israelis rejected all of them.
        Jasper Jasper you must be the living proof of the saying that vile stupidity has only lower limit. Keep it up posting here as an invaluable gift for the Zionist cause.

      • “Just as well there are countries which have never had any anti-Semitism ..you will be welcome here..”

        Jasper which country, or countries, are you referring to?

          • So when I asked you which country or countries you are referring to which you claim ‘have never had any anti-Semitism’ , your answer is Scotland.

            Then why jasper did the Scottish Parliament pass the following Resolution,

            “S3M-6305 “Rise in Anti-Semitism”

            “That the Parliament expresses concern at the rising trend of anti-Semitic activity throughout 2009; acknowledges that the number of anti-Semitic incidents including extreme violence, assaults, damage and desecration of property, threats, abusive behaviour, including verbal abuse, and the disbursement of anti-Semitic literature almost doubled” it goes on to say; “…recognises that a majority of the incidents were arbitrary and opportunistic in nature and notes that the number of politically motivated anti-Semitic incidents is also on the rise; believes that there is never an excuse for any type of hate crime, nor should they be accepted or tolerated,…”

            Note in the first line ‘rising trend’, as I know you have a problem with the English language, it means increasing!
            So your ludicrous claim that Scotland has never had any anti-Semitism is, like so many of your claims, a LIE

            • Add to that West Dumbartonshire’s Israel boycott. And yes Jasper, anti-Zionism is anti-Semitism, considering that they don’t have issues with countries like China and Turkey, nor with themselves for that matter.

      • Ok, let me see if I get this straight. If Israel does not respond to rocket fire as it didn’t leading up to the wars, then it is terrorizing murderous wackos into sending rocket so they can retaliate. Good one.

        Another gem: the Palestinians have no partner for peace. Yeah, that’s why they’ve rejected every peace deal that’s ever been presented to them, such as all of Gaza (pre-pullout), 95% of the West Bank, and joint sovereignty over Jerusalem. That was Israel’s fault for proposing it in the first place. Got it.

        The next gem: if Israel doesn’t abide by the libero-fascist agenda of Auschwitz borders, then it is doomed. Yeah, you’re the first one to carp that garbage.

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