CiF Watch prompts correction to false BDS victory claim by Irish Times


On Aug. 7 we commented on a piece of anti-Zionist agitprop published at the Irish Times which, among other distortions, included a passage falsely suggesting that the company Veolia had, under pressure from BDS activists, divested from Jerusalem’s Light Rail system.

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Here’s the passage in question:

Veolia, the French conglomerate that operates Luas in Dublin, and Alstom, came under pressure from the Palestinian Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign to withdraw from the Jerusalem consortium. Veolia did, but Alstom kept building 46 trams.

We demonstrated that the claim that Veolia had already withdrawn from the Jerusalem Light Rail consortium was flatly untrue. We noted that while they do eventually intend to  abandon investment in all transportation projects (including light rail projects), this is only part of a broader business strategy to focus on environmental services, energy, and water – and cited an article in the financial paper Globes detailing the company’s significant ongoing investment in the Israeli energy sector.

We contacted editors at the Irish Times seeking a correction to the false suggestion of a BDS victory, and we recently received word that the correction had been made. The article was amended on Wednesday, August 14th, and the passage now reads:

Veolia, the French conglomerate that operates Luas in Dublin, and Alstom, came under pressure from the Palestinian Boycott Divestment and Sanctions campaign to withdraw from the Jerusalem consortium. Veolia, which denies it is acting under political pressure, has yet to sell out. 

Despite this victory, the Irish Times article in question is still an atrocious example of ideologically driven activist journalism, and we intend to continue monitoring the paper and holding them accountable when they engage in similarly false or misleading allegations.

32 comments on “CiF Watch prompts correction to false BDS victory claim by Irish Times

  1. ” this is only part of a broader business strategy to focus on environmental services, energy, and water”

    They manage a recycling plant just outside Afula, BTW.

  2. “Veolia, which denies it is acting under political pressure, has yet to sell out. ” The actor Paul Newman once explained about how tabloids make business and headlines:
    _____________________

    “KING: Have you been in your life tabloid victimized?

    NEWMAN: Yeah, there has been some things – hey, nobody is perfect and I’m certainly …

    KING: Imperfect.

    NEWMAN: Imperfect. But there has been a lot of stuff out there that is so inaccurate that it’s almost laughable.

    KING: When you do read something that is an absolute not happened.

    NEWMAN: An absolute not happened.

    KING: What do you do with that?

    NEWMAN: You don’t pay any attention to it. If you did, you’d drive yourself crazy. It’s funny. You could say do you beat your wife? I say no, I don’t beat my wife. The headline is, “Newman denies beating wife.” There is no way you can …

    KING: It’s a no win, man.

    NEWMAN: It’s a no win. So I don’t know. ”
    _________________

    Exactly the same silly sensationalistic tactics and journalistic ethics of a tabloid and deserving just as much attention and respect.

  3. Spinners please note Veolia wants to rid of its connection with the railways but is prevented by the Israeli state structures as indicated on Veolias website – so stop this spinning –

    In 2010, Veolia Transport started negotiations with a view to transfer to the Israeli transport company Egged Holdings Limited its shareholding in the CityPass consortium, together with all its shares in the company responsible for running the JLRT.

    This operation was rejected by the Jerusalem public transportation authorities in January 2012, judging that Egged did not have, for now, the Veolia Transport’s expertise in terms of operating a light rail system. Nevertheless, Veolia Transport still intends to transfer this activity when all the necessary conditions are met.

  4. I was encouraged by this blog to do some of my own investigation and I found this on Veolia’s own website which clearly indicates that Veolia wants to get rid of its interest in the Jerusalem Light Railway – It seems the Israeli authorities are preventing Veolia from doing so. Please do spin but make it credible. Just in case you want to varify yourself here is the link http://www.veolia.com/en/medias/focus-on/jlrt.htm

    “In 2010, Veolia Transport started negotiations with a view to transfer to the Israeli transport company Egged Holdings Limited its shareholding in the CityPass consortium, together with all its shares in the company responsible for running the JLRT.

    This operation was rejected by the Jerusalem public transportation authorities in January 2012, judging that Egged did not have, for now, the Veolia Transport’s expertise in terms of operating a light rail system. Nevertheless, Veolia Transport still intends to transfer this activity when all the necessary conditions are met.”

    • Ismael as has been pointed out to you before Veolia/TransDev is pulling out of transport right across the World.

      I note that you left out the paragraph that comes directly after the two that you ‘copied and pasted’ above.

      “Veolia Environnement’s intention remains to continue to invest in the development of essential infrastructures in the environmental services and sustainable development sectors in Israel.”

      Now I wonder why you left that out?

  5. Gerald spinners(not of the cricket type -and please no jokes about the cheating Pakistani cricketers) will be proud of you – big difference between Israel and Occupied East Jerusalem – You will win the Nobel prize for spinning one day if it ever becomes an honorable profession. I knew you will say that that is why I gave you the link and as per usual you swallowed it.

    • ‘Ismael’ I note that you did not answer the point in my first sentence which is to remind you again that Veolia/TransDev are pulling out of the transport business everywhere.

      If you were not already aware of that fact, then as is usual with your ilk the truth is inconvenient to the bullshit you are trying to spread.

  6. Gerald lies after lies however here is from the horses mouth – no sign of divestment here first they are not divesting from Jerusalem because they are still committed to Israel

    Veolia Transportation is the largest private sector operator of multiple modes of transit in North America, providing bus, rail, paratransit, shuttle, sedan and taxi services. We manage over 200 transportation contracts for cities, transit authorities and airports, providing safe and sustainable mobility solutions. Our mission is to improve public transportation, to enhance quality of life and combat global warming.

    © 2013 Veolia Transportation, Inc. All Rights Reserved | Sitemap . Privacy Policy . Terms Like us

    Commuter rail, one of Veolia’s key sectors, is a fast, environmentally-friendly alternative for residents of suburban areas. We help our riders bypass congested highways and get to and from downtown destinations safely, quickly and conveniently.

    Some of our flagship US operations include:
    Boston, the largest contracted-out commuter rail operation in the US, where we operate 500 trains carrying 140,000 passengers a day
    South Florida, where we’ve brought a new level of reliability and on-time performance to the Tri-Rail commuter line linking Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach
    Internationally, we’re delivering solutions in Melbourne, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand: we operate the entire commuter rail system in both cities. All over the world, we are helping communities and transit authorities achieve the high-capacity efficiency and environmental benefits of commuter rail systems.

    Does not look as if the company is divesting from transport world wide – perhaps it is doing it in the occupied territories because of it being illegal and therefore threatens Veolia’s business internationally.

  7. Gerald nothing escapes you – I was deliberately avoiding to answer that one to save you some embarrassment – was it not enough to get one wrong – you wanted to be proven wrong on all counts – so there it is from the horses mouth – note the copyright sign indicating year 2013

    Easing the Daily Commute

    Commuter rail, one of Veolia’s key sectors, is a fast, environmentally-friendly alternative for residents of suburban areas. We help our riders bypass congested highways and get to and from downtown destinations safely, quickly and conveniently.

    Some of our flagship US operations include:
    Boston, the largest contracted-out commuter rail operation in the US, where we operate 500 trains carrying 140,000 passengers a day
    South Florida, where we’ve brought a new level of reliability and on-time performance to the Tri-Rail commuter line linking Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach
    Internationally, we’re delivering solutions in Melbourne, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand: we operate the entire commuter rail system in both cities. All over the world, we are helping communities and transit authorities achieve the high-capacity efficiency and environmental benefits of commuter rail systems.
    © 2013 Veolia Transportation, Inc. All Rights Reserved | Sitemap . Privacy Policy . Terms

  8. Gerald nothing escapes you – I was deliberately avoiding to answer that one to save you some embarrassment – was it not enough to get one wrong – you wanted to be proven wrong on all counts – so there it is from the horses mouth – note the copyright sign indicating year 2013

    Easing the Daily Commute

    Commuter rail, one of Veolia’s key sectors, is a fast, environmentally-friendly alternative for residents of suburban areas. We help our riders bypass congested highways and get to and from downtown destinations safely, quickly and conveniently.

    Some of our flagship US operations include:
    Boston, the largest contracted-out commuter rail operation in the US, where we operate 500 trains carrying 140,000 passengers a day
    South Florida, where we’ve brought a new level of reliability and on-time performance to the Tri-Rail commuter line linking Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach
    Internationally, we’re delivering solutions in Melbourne, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand: we operate the entire commuter rail system in both cities. All over the world, we are helping communities and transit authorities achieve the high-capacity efficiency and environmental benefits of commuter rail systems.
    © 2013 Veolia Transportation, Inc. All Rights Reserved | Sitemap . Privacy Policy . Terms

    • ‘Robin’, or whatever your name is, are you denying that Veolia has cut back on its involvement in transport worldwide?

  9. Of course Gerald they are getting out of the transport business internationally because they are trying to get out of the illegal operation in Jerusalem makes sense -

    • ‘Robin’ when you describe Veolia’s involvement in the Jerusalem Light Railway as, “..the illegal operation in Jerusalem..” are you doing so out of ignorance or is it another of your puerile attempts to post a lie and hope nobody will notice, or challenge it?

      Obviously the Courts in France do not agree with you.
      “The Court of Appeals in Versailles upheld the original decision on March 22, 2013, reiterating that Veolia Transport had not infringed upon international law, humanitarian law or the UN Global Compact by signing and executing the concession and operations contracts for the light rail system in Jerusalem. ”

      http://www.veolia.com/en/medias/focus-on/jlrt.htm

  10. Gerald nothing escapes you of course I am denying it, except of course Veolia are trying to cut their links with the illegal Jerusalem Light Railways because of its impact on its businesses internationally. Every where else their Transport businesses as Flagship businesses. Nobody can fool you. You obviously know all this.

    Perhaps you missed this in my previous quote. According to Veolia “Commuter rail, one of Veolia’s key sectors, is a fast, environmentally-friendly alternative for residents of suburban areas. We help our riders bypass congested highways and get to and from downtown destinations safely, quickly and conveniently.”

    • “Gerald nothing escapes you of course I am denying it”

      Then ‘Robin’ you are either a Fool or a Liar!
      There is more than ample evidence online to show how, and where, Veolia have cutback on their involvement in transport.

  11. Of course Gerald you are trying to spin the French Court’s decision. The French Court did not address the illegality of the Jerusalem Railways, it addressed Veolia’s involvement with the Railways and ruled that Veoila has no obligation to ensure adherence to international law in this instance as a private company.
    “The recent March 2013 decision on appeal confirms and builds on this position, absolving the companies of any responsibility for their involvement in internationally unlawful acts, and maintaining the contracts’ validity under French law. Probably the most damning conclusion of the recent judgment on appeal is that the international law provisions relied on “do not create direct obligations that may be placed upon private companies.” The decision holds that private companies are not subjects of international law and do not have international legal personality – beyond the realm of economic and commercial acts governed by certain international instruments. As such, the international legal obligations relied on by the claimants were neither directly applicable to private companies, nor did they give rise to rights that can be claimed by individuals.”

    The illegality of the Jerusalem Railway was not in question. The court was considering Veolia’s obligations and ruled Veolia has no obligation to hold the international law in this instance.

    Of course, despite the French Court ruling, Veolia is trying to dump its links with Jerusalem Railways because it is impacting its businesses as it is illegal under international law.

    • ‘Robin’ clearly one of the greatest Advocates of all time, demonstrating prescience on his part, had you in mind when he wrote,
      “Any man can make mistakes, but only an idiot persists in his error.”

      Please persist in your errors, delusions, lies and making yourself look a complete idiot. It is quite amusing on a wet Saturday morning.

  12. Gerald when my children were very young, when it was bed time and they did not want to go to bed I used to given them an option and they were free to choose, either you go to bed or I will carry you to bed, either way they went to bed.

    My answer to your trick question is, I am not lying and am no fool. You are a spinner.

    I do not think you cannot base an adult discussion on similar basis. Of course, if there is a lot of evidence to suggest that Veolia id divesting from transport you should raise it with Veolia. They are quite adamant that Transport part of their business is a flagship business for Veolia. You do not divest from your flagship business without making it clear as the impact on your business could be enormous.

    Of course, divesting from the illegal Jerusalem Railways is necessary to protect its Flagship operations internationally despite the ruling of the French Court.

    • “My answer to your trick question is, I am not lying and am no fool.”

      ‘Robin’ not a question, trick or otherwise, a statement of fact.
      You are either a Liar or a Fool, in your case probably both.

      If you ever begin to comprehend the English language, and there is little evidence you have started yet, you will learn that after a question you use a question mark? Not an exclamation mark!

  13. I guess he used already Robin Ward
    not NSIsmail, but NSIsmael
    from Jason Helper/John Walsh/ranamirza/Rafi Mirza, from NSIsmail to Antisemite Rana, antisemitic member of the Diane Shame Group of aliases like Mondoweiss Chris/Isac/ liar/Peter Ounce/Islamabadi/diane/dianeshammes/Angel/Rafi aka Sharon/Jane/Catherine/Samantha/HarpalSingh/AaronPatel/AnrewBird/Jeremy Bowles/AlanThornton/Jabal/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek

  14. Gerald how does this stated fact of yours compare with that universal fact you keep repeating “God gave it to me”.

    I suspect you have no evidence to back up any of your assertions including that Veolia is no longer doing transport anywhere in the world except in Jerusalem. I suspect there is ample proof on the internet both for Veolia not doing transport and God gave it to me.

    At least with my lies I have provided all the evidence to show that not only Veolia is engaged in transport businesses internationally but that Veolia considers transport as flagship part of its operations. The exception of course is in Jerusalem where it is desperately trying to divest from an illegal Jerusalem Railway as it is having a negative impact on its operations internationally as more and more organizations are refusing to engage with Veolia because of its involvement in the illegal Jerusalem Railways. .

    • “I have provided all the evidence to show that not only Veolia is engaged in transport businesses internationally but that Veolia considers transport as flagship part of its operations.”

      No, Richard/Robin etc.
      How do you explain the facts that in a number of countries Veolia has already cut back on transport. And this report from Reuters,

      “By Elena Berton

      PARIS, Oct 23 (Reuters) – French utility Veolia Environnement will cut its stake in transport joint venture Veolia Transdev in a first step towards withdrawing from the business as it battles to reduce its debts.

      The waste and water group said on Tuesday it was in talks to cede control of the venture to its partner, state-owned Caisse des Depots et Consignations (CDC), cutting its stake to 40 percent while CDC lifts its holding to 60 percent.

      Pending a final agreement, the deal will allow Veolia to reduce its exposure to the venture’s debts and leave open the possibility of eventually selling out of the business.

      Debt-laden Veolia is restructuring and exiting businesses and countries as Chief Executive Antoine Frerot reins in much of an expansion plan undertaken by founder and former CEO Henri Proglio in a drive to cut debt and return the group to growth.

      Veolia put its 50 percent stake in Veolia Transdev up for sale in December as part of a plan to shed 5 billion euros in assets and cut its borrowings to below 12 billion euros from 14.7 billion euros last year.”

      Note the use of “…exiting businesses and countries..” in the statement by the CEO.

      As your English is so poor, let me explain ‘countries’ is plural and means more than one country.

    • Richard/Robin (who tomorrow Maid Marian?)

      This from the industry magazine “Australasian Bus and Coach”
      “July 3, 2013
      Transport specialist Veolia Transdev group has had its name cut back to just ‘Transdev’ in Australia and New Zealand, and the group’s global presence will also be reduced.

      In 2011, international transport group Transdev merged with Veolia Transport, one of its main competitors, and became Veolia Transdev.

      The new Transdev branding announced this week includes a new logo, colour and tag line, and will appear on stationery, signage, livery, websites, emails and uniforms.

      On a recent visit to Australia, the company’s Global Chairman Jean-Marc Janaillac confirmed the group would reduce its geographic footprint from 27 countries to 17 during the next few years.”

      Do you need me to explain to you what “..the group’s global presence will also be reduced.” or “..confirmed the group would reduce its geographic footprint from 27 countries to 17″ means?

      Richard/Robin etc. you do have a huge problem comprehending the meaning of the English language and the truth. In the spirit of Christian charity my advice is for you to go and get some help.

  15. It is on Veolia’s website – written in 2013 – Transport remains there flagship business – just because they are doing something in France does not make it universal. Just because they are reconciling is not the same as divesting.
    You can blame my English if you like. The problem remains with your attempt to whitewash the illegal Jerusalem Railway.

    Just because they are trying to divest from Jerusalem railway because of its illegality does not mean they are trying to get rid of their transport business.

    Before you answer read it several times. Perhaps it is beyond you to understand the concept of flagship or what Veolia is doing in Transport from the US to Australia. Perhaps you will tell me how what Veolia says constitute divesting its transport business.
    Veolia says “Some of our flagship US operations include:
    Boston, the largest contracted-out commuter rail operation in the US, where we operate 500 trains carrying 140,000 passengers a day
    South Florida, where we’ve brought a new level of reliability and on-time performance to the Tri-Rail commuter line linking Miami, Fort Lauderdale and Palm Beach
    Internationally, we’re delivering solutions in Melbourne, Australia and Auckland, New Zealand: we operate the entire commuter rail system in both cities. All over the world, we are helping communities and transit authorities achieve the high-capacity efficiency and environmental benefits of commuter rail systems.
    © 2013 Veolia Transportation, Inc. All Rights Reserved | Sitemap . Privacy Policy . Terms”

    • “Perhaps you will tell me how what Veolia says constitute divesting its transport business.”

      Well Richard/Robin there is a huge clue in the phrase reducing from 27 countries to 17. That report by the way is July 3rd 2013.
      There is another large clue in the Reuters report which says
      “French utility Veolia Environnement will cut its stake in transport joint venture Veolia Transdev in a first step towards withdrawing from the business as it battles to reduce its debts”
      Now even with your poor grasp of English, and the truth, you should understand what “..a first step towards withdrawing from the business..” means?
      To increase your woeful knowledge Veolia is a French company, that is why the Reuter’s report is from Paris, it does not refer to the company’s actions solely in France.

  16. This definitely sounds like divesting from transport. This was announced in 2011 after Veolia tried to divest from the Illegal Jerusalem Railway My previous comments from Veolia themselves in 2013 – You will never be convinced. However, there is no dispute internationally that the Jerusalem Light Railway is illegal.

    The owners of French transport groups Veolia and Transdev published a statement last week which confirms the successful completion of their merger, but uncertainty remains over how it will effect their UK businesses.

    The combined group will be a true global giant, generating annual turnover of eight billion euros across 28 different countries. One of those countries is the UK, where both Veolia and Transdev had established significant bus operations. However, Veolia’s 530-vehicle bus operation, an odd collection of businesses that has been assembled over the past five years, is not part of the merger deal.

  17. The NSRichard, Robin Ward/NSIsmael
    from Jason Helper/John Walsh/ranamirza/Rafi Mirza, from NSIsmail to Antisemite Rana, antisemitic member of the Diane Shame Group of aliases like Mondoweiss Chris/Isac/ liar/Peter Ounce/Islamabadi/diane/dianeshammes/Angel/Rafi aka Sharon/Jane/Catherine/Samantha/HarpalSingh/AaronPatel/AnrewBird/Jeremy Bowles/AlanThornton/Jabal/Alan/Deborah/Jim/Jason/Dirk/Nick/Natzie/Rob, amended by Gerald with Dopey/Grumpy/Sneezy/Sleazy/Tosser/Dorothy/Straw Man/Dick Head/Drek

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