The Guardian: Enablers and defenders of hatred


Cross posted at Harry’s Place

The Guardian’s Editorial today:

In praise of … the Maryam Centre

It is heartening to see that East London Mosque in Whitechapel is expanding

A month after a mosque in north London was destroyed in an arson attack, it is heartening to see that East London Mosque in Whitechapel is expanding. When it gets fully under way, the Maryam Centre will offer a range of projects and services for women in the community – a prayer hall, counselling, a gym – as well as house a school and a visitor centre for non-Muslims. The centre will make the mosque very much more than just a provider of religious services. With 25,000 worshipers attending a week, and that is outside Ramadan, the mosque has already become a key hub for the community. Its original purpose in 1910 was as a place of worship for sailors and travellers who came to Tower Hamlets. It took most of the last century to establish a permanent base in Whitechapel.

Today it is the living and growing answer to those on the extreme right who vilify mosques as the home of fundamentalists.

Oh dear.

Oh dearie me.

As anybody who has paid any attention to the events hosted by the East London Mosque/London Muslim Centre will know, this institution is one of the primary outlets of hate preaching and bigotry in London. The East London Mosque is the home of the Islamic Forum Europe, which controls the institution, and indeed the DCLG which observed that the ELM/LMC is the base for the far Right Islamist party: Jamaat-e-Islami.  It was established by Choudhry Mueen Uddin, a Jamaat-e-Islami activist who is facing a war crimes trial in Bangladesh, where he is accused of having run death squads which abducted and murdered Bangladeshi patriots and intellectuals in the 1970s. In one particularly disturbing incident, these death squads sliced off the breasts of a woman journalist, and left her to die.

Those on the extreme right who vilify mosques as the home of fundamentalists have done terrible things, but I don’t believe that they have ever sliced off the breasts of of liberal Bangladeshis.

If you want to know more about the hatred spewed from the East London Mosque, every week, you need only browse some entries on the institution. Here are just a few examples from the past few months:

In July, the Friday sermon at the East London Mosque, was delivered by a hate preacher who has been banned from Sheffield Hallam university: Assim al-Hakeem. Assim al-Hakeem teaches that apostates must be killed. He’d like to see Christians and Jews executed in an Islamic state for “talking against Mohammed“. He is vituperatively anti-gay, and preaches that women have no place in political leadership.

In May, the ELM/LMC hosted Abu Abdissalam, a hate preacher who has been banned by Tower Hamlets from appearing on its premises. He discourages Muslims from working with the police, because he claims that they are engaged in a “war against Islam”. He is also a significant supporter of Ali al Timimi, who was convicted of recruiting young men for jihad against America in the aftermath of September 11. Timimi also called for the decapitation of Shia Muslims, and promoted hatred of Jews.

In March, the ELM/LMC hosted Khalid Al-Fikri, an  Islamist hate preacher. He is an outspoken supporter of terrorist organisations and convicted terrorists, and also spews hatred against Shia Muslims:

Shia are one of the worst and greatest enemies against our ummahnowadays

In February, the ELM/LMC held a rally for the convicted Al Qaeda terrorist, Aafia Siddiqui.

The ELM/LMC offers platforms, time and time again, against those who preach hatred and support the execution of gays. They do this, despite falsely claiming to have stopped.

Over the last six financial years the East London Mosque has received £2.9 million in public sector funding. They use this money to underwrite the propagation of this hatred.

The Guardian knows all this. The information has been in the public arena for years. The claim by the Guardian that:

Today it is the living and growing answer to those on the extreme right who vilify mosques as the home of fundamentalists.

… is true. Unfortunately, it provides all the evidence they need to rally support to their hateful cause.

As Hope not Hate has observed, Islamist and fascist hate mongers are two sides of the same coin“. You can’t fight one without the other.

But the Guardian goes one step further. It has thrown its lot in with one group of fascists.

Good luck in pointing this out, or posting any of the evidence in The Guardian comment thread. They’ve deleted every example which illustrates the disgrace of their politics.

65 comments on “The Guardian: Enablers and defenders of hatred

  1. Should we be grateful to Harry or to the cif watchers for the demise of the mosque. Mind you The Other has never been accepted in the East End but always had to fight to survive. The Fight for the Cable Street still remains the iconic struggle that today’s anti-racist continue against the reactionary forces.

    • Oh – Jason Burgandy. That’s a new one! Very good. Did you get bored with the other monikers?

    • If the wretched, festering shithole of hate preaching that is the ELM closes as a result of this article (sadly that’s extremely unlikely) then yes, we should be very grateful.

      My Burgandy, would you please explain, for the hard-of-thinking like me, what the difference is between the violently antisemitic, homophobic, misogynistic, jihadist filth preached at the ELM, and the content of speeches made by the Nazis?

      • I’ll explain the difference to you Frank, the violently antisemitic, homophobic, misogynistic, jihadist filth preached at the ELM hides behind a cloak of religion and a perversely defined anti-racism.

    • Jason Burgundy: If the ugliness on your inside matches your face on your outside, you must have to go around with a bag over your head, to avoid the horror of your own face in a mirror!

  2. censorship is bad, except when at Al Guardian. Or Assange. Easy to remember. Please do not forget.

  3. I don’t think that exists any far-right Muslim anti-Us, anti-Semite, anti-democracy and anti-gay organisation whose ass remain unkissed by the “world’s leading liberal voice. For the sake of ideological unity every post linking to the HP article has been deleted … yes Comment Is Free.

  4. The Guardian mods are tearing their hair out on this one. They’ve deleted dozens of comments pointing out the Islamofascist nature of the East London Mosque, but they haven’t noticed that some of the comments praising the ELM are actually sarcastic.

    Hilarious! Or it would be if a national newspaper wasn’t complicit in promoting homophobia..

    • Al-Grauniad, in true extreme Left fashion is authoritarian. Authoritarians are not noted for their sense of humour, tend towards literal thinking and are challenged in their ability to “get” nuance hence their failure to delete sarcastic comments. They also tend towards paranoid ideation. They are ideal partners to promote Islamist lunacy.

  5. Here is fascism as reported by the Haaretz –

    A consultant involved in the nascent Jewish Identity Administration has warned government officials of the dangers of its potential work in high schools, arguing that its primary goal is a fascist rather than an educational concept.

    Nadav Berman Shifman, a doctoral student at Hebrew University and a veteran high school teacher in Jewish studies, was part of a meeting earlier this month at the offices of the Jewish Identity Administration to formulate recommendations for supporting organizations that are active in Israeli high schools in the field of Jewish studies.

    The creation of the administration is anchored in the coalition agreement between the Likud and Naftali Bennett’s Habayit Hayehudi Party. The administration will sit in the Religious Services Ministry, which Bennett, who is also economy minister, heads.
    “The ‘creation of a wave’ is a concept taken from fascism, not from the field of education,” writes Berman Shifman in his letter. “The modus operandi of the Jewish Identity Administration is more an act of underhanded opportunism than a process intended to reflect and shape education.”

    • Ah I see, you weren’t concerned about this article or about the ELM or anything related to it. You just wanted to troll a website as part of your antisem…er, sorry, I mean “antizionist” campaigning…terribly sorry, I thought you were here to comment on the article. Had I realised you were just a Naz…er, BDS thus trolling a Jewish website, I would never have bothered to reply to you. Just as well, I had thought about adding a minor rant about Islamofascist enablers constantly exploiting the Cable Street victory against fascism (possibly the last time the British “left” gave a rat’s arse about Jews? Not sure), but it clearly ain’t worth it.

      Propagandise away!

      • I was going to reply to that POS that is trolling here, but after reading and enjoying your comment, I decided not to bother because he isn’t worth it. However, I did want to thank you for giving me a smile where I didn’t expect one.

      • Mr. Butcher,

        “…thus trolling a Jewish website,…”

        Which website will that be?

    • Burgandy: “Here is fascism as reported by the Haaretz”

      In other words, who cares about Muslim anti-Semites and the cowardly European hypocrites who support them. There is after all, nothing worse than the iniquities and villainy of the Jews! Really, today’s European anti-Semites like Burgandy are pathetic cowards in comparison to their full-blooded, chauvinistic – proud to hate and kill the yids ancestors. Now all they seem to do is masquerade as cuddly humanists who only want what’s best for the world by getting rid of Israel. Back to square one with the yids, disempowered and at the mercy of pompous middle class Guardian readers.

      • I’m sorry Groovy Times when you write “today’s European anti-Semites like Burgandy are pathetic cowards in comparison to their full-blooded, chauvinistic – proud to hate and kill the yids ancestors” I have to disagree with you.
        ‘Jason Burgandy’ is NOT European.

        • Gerald – you know more than me old bean, but anti-Semitism is the universal currency of bigots and cowards, and the libels on which Burgandy parades their moral superiority are European in origin, the plight of the Jews since the Roman conquest are of European origin, the persecution and genocide of the Jews are of European origin, and my guess is that Burgandy is a product of a specific but not so peculiar European state of mind.

        • Even if Bourbondy isn’t a European by birth, Groovy Time’s point about today’s European anti-Semites and their camp is still well taken. Especially this: ” Now all they seem to do is masquerade as cuddly humanists who only want what’s best for the world by getting rid of Israel. ”
          The hypocrisy is nauseating.

    • ” what bullshit Al Guardian is trying to inject into western thinking ”

      Steady .. the Guardian is a small circulation dying Brit paper with a small voice .The mass of people make their mind up often just by watching TV and watching the same suspects exhibit extremist stances .

      • “Steady .. the Guardian is a small circulation dying Brit paper with a small voice”
        Yes Rosco the print version of The Guardian is in decline, and its demise can’t arrive soon enough, but The Guardian Online of which CiF is a part is looking to expand overseas and has been for a few years now.
        Indeed if it wasn’t for the number of ‘hits’ they get from the USA and the potential for advertising revenue from the USA The Guardian Online would soon follow its ‘dead tree’ version along the path to extinction.

  6. As I understand it Hope Against Hate was influential in getting Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller banned from Britain. Maybe Hope Against Hate needs to check to see if their picture doesn’t also appear on that coin.

    • Hope not Hate has also been found out doctoring its statistics by inflating the figures of the alleged “backlash” against Muslims following the beheading of Drummer Lee Rigby in Woolwich by Islamist lunatics who were proud of what they had done. Its funding will not be renewed, or so we are told/?lied to.

      And something tells me that Geller and Spencer will be allowed in eventually.

  7. Groovy Times if you look at the posts of ‘Jason Burgandy’ you will find a striking similarity to others posted in a variety of names, some European and some clearly not.
    Whereas I would not disagree with a lot you write about the history of anti-Semitism to claim it is all of European origin is doubtful e.g. “..the persecution and genocide of the Jews are of European origin..” Are you really claiming that the Pharaoh of ancient Egypt and the Babylonians were of European origin?

    But the main point is why is it that a lot of those who are attacking Israel and its legitimacy are masquerading using European and more often what they think are Anglo Saxon names?

  8. Gerald, the Pharaohs were Egyptians.
    But do get grip of reality – I know the you are intoxicated with the Zionist dream but
    “Moses (Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה‎, Modern Moshe Tiberian Mōšéh ISO 259-3 Moše ; Arabic: موسى‎ Mūsā ) was, according to the Hebrew Bible, the Qur’an, and Baha’i scripture, a religious leader, lawgiver, and prophet, to whom the authorship of the Torah is traditionally attributed. Also called Moshe Rabbenu in Hebrew (מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ, Lit.

    “Moses our Teacher/Rabbi”), he is the most important prophet in Judaism;[1][2] he is also an important prophet in Christianity and Islam, as well as a number of other faiths.
    The existence of Moses as well as the veracity of the Exodus story are disputed amongst archaeologists and Egyptologists, with experts in the field of biblical criticism citing logical inconsistencies, new archaeological evidence, historical evidence, and related origin myths in Canaanite culture.[3][4][5] Other historians maintain that the biographical details and Egyptian background attributed to Moses imply the existence of an historical political and religious leader who was involved in the consolidation of the Hebrew tribes in Canaan towards the end of the Bronze Age.”

    • “Gerald, the Pharaohs were Egyptians.”
      So nice of you to tell Gerald that which he’s already stated. As for the rest of your comment I don’t no where your going with it. Do you, boo boo?

    • “Gerald, the Pharaohs were Egyptians.”

      Thank you ‘Jason’ I was aware of that as you would see if you had the ability to read and comprehend the English language.

      ” I know the you are intoxicated with the Zionist dream”

      The Zionist dream if you mean a return for the Jewish people to their homeland, Israel, to live in security, peace and prosperity. Yes it is still a dream because so many of your friends are still trying to deny the Jewish people their basic right to live in peace and security in Israel.
      ‘Intoxicated’ No ‘Jason’ but overcome by the fumes from the Bullshit and incoherent drivel you continue to post on this site.

      • ” I know the you are intoxicated with the Zionist dream”

        It’s not a dream, boo boo, it’s a reality!

  9. This is how the leading figure within the Zionist movement saw the Zionist dream. Gerald is only trying to justify it after the fact. Whitewashing or what?

    “I don’t understand your optimism,” Ben-Gurion declared. “Why should the Arabs make peace? If I were an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it’s true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been antisemitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that? They may perhaps forget in one or two generations’ time, but for the moment there is no chance. So, it’s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out.” He implied that the Zionist will have to wipe out the Arabs at least from whatever the Zionist may think constitute Israel depending on the strength of their strong Army.

    • “He implied that the Zionist will have to wipe out the Arabs at least from whatever the Zionist may think constitute Israel depending on the strength of their strong Army”

      But he did no such thing. You are imputing to BG the manner and motives of his enemies who really did intend to wipe out the Jews and had planned accordingly. BG realised that the Arabs would see a Jewish state as an affront to their racist credentials and religious obligations and would act as he imagined they would act, with lust and dreadful cruelty.

  10. ‘Jason’ before you copy and paste something have you ever considered reading it first?
    This is your last ‘sentence’, I can tell it is your as it looks as if it has been written by a dyslexic Chimp with a sledgehammer.
    “He implied that the Zionist will have to wipe out the Arabs at least from whatever the Zionist may think constitute Israel depending on the strength of their strong Army.”
    And this is from the ‘quote’ you copied and pasted from an unknown source,
    “..it’s simple: we have to stay strong and maintain a powerful army. Our whole policy is there. Otherwise the Arabs will wipe us out.”

    The clear implication is that Israel needs to maintain a strong Army to defend itself otherwise and I quote from YOUR post “..the Arabs will wipe us out.”

  11. Gerald and your point is? Is it not what the Nazis said – about the Jews them or us? The Nazis justified their crimes against humanity as a means to preserve their race. They were deluded yes but they, just like the Zionist or doing it for the highest of motives.

    Before you reply think what you are saying?

    • “Gerald and your point is?”

      ‘Jason’ my point is that you copy and paste quotes that do not support your own posts.
      Now ‘Jason’, as we are on first name terms, be honest is it due to;
      a) you are illiterate, and don’t understand what you are posting. Or,
      b) you are an idiot and are incapable of understanding what you are posting. Or,
      c) a combination of both. Or,
      d) you are just an anti-Semitic troll who posts incoherent drivel.

      ‘Jason’ even with your limited comprehension of English the question is simple and the answer is either a, b, c, or d.

  12. Again the Nazi NSJasonIsmailNIckNatzie equals Zionists with Nazis. Why is this criminal still allowed here?

  13. Gerald – Please take my advice – Read and think before replying – Engage in the conversation.

    I am not denying that Zionists kill and maim Palestinians with the highest of motives. They feel they are threatened and therefore they have to wipe others off. Just like the Nazis in Europe. And just like the Nazis in Europe they are deluded. David Ben-Gurion is no different.

    I decline to take your multiple option test. Thanks for the offer.

    • “I decline to take your multiple option test.”

      ‘Jason’ with your reply you have answered it, maybe unwittingly, but you have clearly ticked the relevant boxes.

    • Jason, I will try to spell it out for you in very simple language.

      1. Ben Gurion’s “quote” sets out what he understands the ARAB point of view to be – i.e. “you stole our land”. In no way does he say or imply that he agrees with this point of view.
      2. He says Israel needs a strong army to PREVENT the Arabs from “wiping us out”. In no way does he imply, suggest or even consider the option of the Zionists “wiping the Arabs out”.
      3. Your “understanding” (and I put this in quotes because it is akin to the understanding of a 5-year old who thinks that the moon is home to little knitted men because his parents showed him an episode of ‘The Clangers’ – look it up) that this quote somehow proves Israeli genocidal tendencies is entirely unsupported by the quote you have provided as evidence.
      4. Therefore Gerald’s question is valid. Why have you so flagrantly twisted and inverted the language that Ben Gurion used? Hey, we all make mistakes, so a simple apology would be nice. If not, then one or more of Gerald’s multiple choice options are the only options left. So which is it, “Jason”?

  14. Labenal you are right in one way – he thinks he is not stealing the Arab land because he thinks God gave it to him. However, he acknowledges he has no secular justification for stealing the land. His claim is based on his faith or ideology. You have to discuss that with him.

    However, he acknowledges the secular facts that those whom God gave the land left some 2000 years ago. The Palestinians lived there when David arrived , perhaps many of them are descendants of those whom the God gave the land in the first place. Besides, Palestinians do not recognize the God that gave the land many millenniums ago.

    He therefore recognizes the existence of the Palestinians, their right to continue to remain in their houses and indeed their right to refuse the newcomers to occupy their houses. However, he thinks that his God’s gift supersedes all other considerations. Of course he was not religious. I can only assume he thought Zionist rights supersede all other considerations on racist grounds but was not bold enough to come out and say it. What David’s statement does is establish the facts not David’s faith, beliefs or his ideology.

    • Hey Jason. Here’s a quote for you. “We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender.” You might recognise this as one of Winston Churchill’s most famous speeches in June 1940.

      According to you, this can be taken as evidence that Churchill:

      - wanted to invade France and wipe out the French (well he did say “we shall fight in France”).
      - was willing to see British children die in their millions to acheive his dastardly aims (“whatever the cost may be”).
      - was advocating mass murder of innocent civilians (“we shall fight in the fields and in the streets”).

      You are truly pathetic and lower than a worm that has burrowed down into the seabed at the bottom of the Marianas Trench (look it up).

    • ” Besides, Palestinians do not recognize the God that gave the land many millenniums ago”

      So ‘Jason’ you are stating that Palestinian Christians no longer exist?
      I was aware that your terrorist friends have been trying to drive them out, but I wasn’t aware that Palestinian Christians no longer exist.
      For surely ‘Jason’ you are aware that any Christian, Palestinian or not, believe in and recognise God who gave the Holy Land to the Jewish people.

  15. Of course Churchill wanted to invade France at the time because it was occupied by the Germans and the French wanted CHurchill to invade and liberate France

    David wanted to get rid of the Palestinians because they were already in Palestine at the time and had been there for thousands of years. The difference between Germans and the Palestinians was that the Germans had just invaded France whereas the Palestinians had been in Palestine for 2000 years since the Jews left Palestine and as David recognizes they, the Palestinians, have every right to be there after such a long period. Germans had no right to be in France.

    I think Labenal you really should engage before shooting your mouth off. Better still, just stick to abuse. It is simple enough for you to cope at your level.

    • More pathetic, irrelevant buzzing from the poster who is more useless than a bicycle for a fish.

    • “The Palestinians … were already in Palestine at the time and had been there for thousands of years.”
      “the Palestinians had been in Palestine for 2000 years since the Jews left Palestine”

      So according to the Jason puppet, up until 2000 years ago the Jews lived in a place called Palestine, but the moment they “left” Palestine, Palestinians suddenly appeared and began immediately living out a national existence in what had been Palestine, and they then changed the name from Palestine to Palestine to reflect this change in national ownership, which has lasted for two thousand years.

      Of course Mahmoud Abbas has been recently quoted as saying that the creation of the PLO, in 1964 (that’s c.e. by the way) was the single most important event in the history of the Palestinian people. This might suggest to the observant that the history of the Palestinian people might well be a tad less than two thousand years.
      ;-D

  16. Well,Allah gave the land to the Arabs,but that’s just dandy.
    And,of course,the prophet flew to heaven from there.
    On a horse,a winged horse.
    But it was in a dream.
    So it’s obviously their land.

    As for Zionist=Nazi,well,the Zionists gave up much defensively conquered territory:Eastern Egypt,Gaza,Lebanon.
    You can,of course,back up your Nazi/Zionist comparison with examples of Nazis giving up similar territories.(You won’t be able to of course,as the Nazis never held territory as a result of defensive wars.)

    Oh,and look up how long Jews have lived in the region.(You clearly follow the first beach towel on the poolside books the spot ideology.German* heritage perchance?)

    Roughly a fifth of Israel’s population is Arab.
    Israel,Gaza,West Bank combined:roughly 50/50 Jew/Arab.
    Please post details of Arab or Muslim lands which come close to this.

    Pacifist:it’s easy to be one when others are doing the fighting for you isn’t it?

    *Sorry,I meant Nazi of course!

    • I wouldn’t bother trying to be logical or put up rational points against this piece of filth (who is filthier than a porn star who has been bathing in a stagnant pond into which for the last decade the untreated silage produced by of an entire city full of incontinent cows has been emptied).

      You see, his world view is based on the unshakeable fundamental belief that “Zionists are fascists”. Therefore, anyone who disputes or argues with that assumption is, per se, a “fascist” and is no better than the Nazis.

      It therefore makes no difference what you say or how much evidence you bring to prove that Israel/Jews/Zionists are human beings with some redeeming qualities, you are, in Jason’s eyes, a fascist. There is simply no escaping that.

      • I must take exception to your deeply offensive remark, Albenal.

        Porn stars don’t deserve such a comparison with JB.

        • Yes, sorry Pretz. I apologise for any offence caused to any porn stars who may read this blog.

      • Labenal

        ” his world view is based on the unshakeable fundamental belief that “Zionists are fascists”. ”

        This is terrible .Why does someone who has been quoted as saying ” Zionists are fascists ” still get to post here? Or are you summarising ?

        This is a site which quite rightly holds the Guardian to account for its accuracy yet you get away with such sloppy tactics? You guys have got to tighten your act if you seriously wish to knee the Guardian a good one.

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