Antony Loewenstein meditates, ‘as a Jew’, on whether religion causes conflict


On July 2 ‘Comment is Free’ published a piece titled ‘Doesn’t religion cause most of the conflict in the world?’, representing an edited extract from the book, For God’s Sake: An Atheist, A Jew, a Christian and a Muslim Debate Religion‘ – by co-authors Antony Loewenstein (a Jew and previous ‘CiF’ contributor), Jayne Caro (an atheist), Simon Smart (a Christian) and Rachel Woodlook (a Muslim).  

Lowenstein, as we’ve noted before, is a secular, anti-Zionist Jew who previously has advanced antisemitic narratives about the alleged danger to Western governments posed by the power of organized Jewry.  

Here’s what he wrote in the July 2 CiF essay:

Alain de Botton, philosopher and author of Religion for Atheists, is worried about fundamentalism. “To say something along the lines of ‘I’m an atheist: I think religions are not all bad’ has become a dramatically peculiar thing to say,” he told British journalist Bryan Appleyard in 2012. “If you do say it on the internet you will get savage messages calling you a fascist, an idiot or a fool. This is a very odd moment in our culture.”

Neo-atheism, the belief that science is the only path to truth and all religions are equally deluded and destructive, has taken hold in much of the debate over atheism. The movement, whose keys figures include Richard Dawkins, the late Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris and Daniel Dennett, is an ideology that arrogantly celebrates an understanding of everything through supposed reason and proof. It allows little doubt or questioning about the unknown. It also happens that some of these key figures, including Ayaan Hirsi Ali, are backers of state violence against Muslim countries since 11 September 2001.

It’s clearly an exaggeration to suggest atheists are rampaging through the streets demanding the end of religious belief but the last decade has seen an ever-increasing number of atheists feeling the need to ridicule or damn people who do believe in a god.

Dawkins, at a dinner with de Botton and others in London in 2012, recounted a conversation he’d had with Hitchens. “Do you ever worry,” Dawkins asked, “that if we win and, so to speak, destroy Christianity, that vacuum would be filled with Islam?”

It’s a curious question that reflects both the vicious hatred of Muslims by many so-called new atheists but also a creepy utopian nightmare that is apparently idealised by them. Destroy Christianity? Because the Catholic Church has committed innumerable crimes, opposes abortion and birth control, refuses to accept female priests and hides sex offenders in its midst? To be sure, the institution is dysfunctional, but wishing for its disintegration reflects a savagery that will only inflame, not reduce tensions.

None of this is to excuse the undeniable barbarity unleashed by religionists over the centuries. The misogyny, beheadings, terrorism, killings, beatings and cruelty are real. They continue. Today we see a growing battle in the Middle East between Shi’ite and Sunni; a Jewish state unleashing militancy against Christian and Muslim Palestinians; and an anti-gay crusade led by some Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders that threatens the sanctity of life itself.

I’ve been guilty of claiming religion is the source of the world’s evils, but it’s a careless comment. It’s far too easy to blame the Muslim faith for honour killings. I’m under no illusion about the fact that religion is routinely used to justify the more heinous crimes. But the 20th century is filled with examples, namely Stalin’s Soviet Union and Mao’s China, that didn’t need God as an excuse to commit genocide against a state’s own people.

A few thoughts:

  • Though Loewenstein touches on Atheism, Islam, Christianity and Judaism, the only country mentioned by Lowenstein as guilty of ‘state violence’ against specific religious communities today is Israel. He of course ignores the ethnic cleansing of Jews from Arab lands, as well as the ongoing persecution of Christians in the Muslim Middle East – a problem so severe that the U.S. Commission on International Religious Freedom (and other groups) have warned that Christians may become extinct in the Middle East within our lifetime.  
  • Loewenstein risibly suggests a moral equivalence between Jewish, Christian and Muslim leaders on their treatment of gays, ignoring the state sanctioned violence and oppression against gays in Islamist governed countries in contrast to the freedom enjoyed by the LGBT community in the Jewish state.
  • Though Loewenstein notes the “barbarity” of “beheadings”, “terrorism”  by “religionists”, he strenuously avoids singling any one religion as guilty of these crimes.
  • Loewenstein takes a gratuitous swipe at Ayaan Hirsi-Ali, the brave Somali-born writer who was forced to flee the Netherlands due to death threats by Islamists following a film she helped produce which criticized the treatment of women in Islamic countries, who he accuses of supporting state violence against Muslim countries. It’s unclear what he’s even referring to, but he seems to be employing the Glenn Greenwald method of characterizing those who support the U.S. war against Islamist terrorists as guilty of endorsing violence against Muslims qua Muslims.

One of the signature ideological ticks of the Guardian Left is again evident in Loewenstein’s staggering obfuscation regarding the the very real threat to pluralism and religious tolerance posed by radical Islam.  Whilst folks should of course reject essentialist characterizations about Islam and racist views about Muslims as such, political correctness can’t get in the way of acknowledging that political Islam, as it is practiced in countries around the world, is fundamentally at odds with the liberal values we hold dear. 

88 comments on “Antony Loewenstein meditates, ‘as a Jew’, on whether religion causes conflict

  1. I actually agree with Lowenstein here. I have long decried the trend (and I call it a trend, because it seems to have its greatest strength among the “trendy” elements of society – celebs, comedians, media types etc) towards militant atheism, and I welcome Lowenstein’s reality check, as mildly worded as his rebuke is.

    OK – I don’t agree with every word of it, but in general his point is good, and it is good to see it on CiF, where btl comments about “sky fairies” and the like is de rigeur.

  2. Obfuscation,ccognitive dissonance………
    Their arguments don’t bear scrutiny/analysis so they operate in goldfish bowls of like minded delusionists who simply can’t,to quote the film,handle reality.

    • Sorry, censorship, but the quote is … “you can’t handle the truth.” (assuming you’re quoting A Few Good Men?)

  3. “as a Jew”

    I looked up Mendes article that you link and he names Loewenstein and that’s it …he just names him as “advancing anti-Semitic narratives ” but offers no quotes, no links and as proof of Loewensteins guilt must rank alongside trial by seeing if witches float.

    Surely some evidence is required before someone is called an anti-Semite …evidence more than “some guy says he is”. And as for the cleverness of using the term “as a Jew” well the least said the better

      • Yes this was a stupid association of Loewenstein’s. The portrayal of older rich guys is hilarious when its Neil Simon ,but no one else can do it without risking being labelled in terms of anti Semitism. He should have known this

        As for your charge of being “obsessed with Jewish power” I do not know his work but my guess is he will be maybe linking Jewish Capitalists and bankers to helping Israel and not really “obsessed” at all. I struggle when people in argument look for mental health reasons for holding an opinion. With me I accept my MH is an issue .But Loewenstein seems a measured and reasonable chap

        I know of no one who is truly “obsessed” and can still manage to type and I wonder if this is an unconscious attempt to portray criticism of Jews/ Israel in terms of madness ?.

        • Measured and reasonable antisemitic conspiracy nerds like you and Loewenstein.
          Looks like a case of Orwellian mode, war is peace, love is hate, and Rosco is an honorable man.

        • Mr Burns:

          “Yes this was a stupid association of Loewenstein’s…” Don’t you mean clumsy?

    • Rosco. Please can you offer clear evidence that mice are quiet, elephants have a good memory, the Pope is Catholic and bears s@*t in the woods? I don’t think any of these accepted truths have been rigorously tested on this blog for a while.

      • Labenal as you asked,
        “….mice are quiet, elephants have a good memory, the Pope is Catholic and bears s@*t in the woods? I don’t think any of these accepted truths have been rigorously tested on this blog for a while”
        Take the first two, Would a mouse be quiet if an elephant stepped on it? Just as importantly would the elephant remember the following day? In both cases I think not.
        “..the Pope is Catholic” highly debatable when you look at the history of the papacy.
        “.. bears s@*t in the woods” not if they are in a Zoo or Circus they don’t. Unless of course the Zoo or Circus happens to be in the woods.

        • Gerald. My entire world view has been shaken.

          I am now ready to believe that Israel is expansionist (despite being (I believe) the only country to have voluntarily reduced its size and voluntarily but forcibly removed its own citizens from towns within its control (Gaza 2005)), that Israel is an apartheid state (despite its cosmopolitan nature and the equal rights enjoyed by its citizens regardless of ethnicity or religion), and that the Palestinian leadership wants peace (despite the myriad of evidence that they want to destroy Israel and kill Jews wherever they live).

    • Burns: “Surely some evidence is required before someone is called an anti-Semite …evidence more than “some guy says he is”.

      Yah, surely! Like using references from the Protocols of the Elders of Zion in a political manifesto.

      Y’know, the one that you said was not evidence of Hamas’ ideological anti-Semitism because it was a legitimate critique of ‘Zionism’. Therefore there is no anti-Semitism. All Israel haters are just ‘progressive’ thinkers like you, and only morally superior progressives are qualified to judge what constitutes malice against Jews.

      CifWatch bullshit detector, detects the bullshit in people like you.

    • Ah, rascal burnout is another 100% selective skeptic. For him, only if a person says “I am an anti-Semite” then, maybe, who knows, this will count as evidence. The double-standard is nauseating. That’s quite a Harpo-Marxist way of thinking, after all, rosco doesn’t even believe in truth, so he can manipulate anything, if convenient.

  4. I must say, brilliant commentary by Adam Levick about Antony Loewenstein and the racist he is.

    Loewenstein is obsessed with a 1 state solution because i guess 22 countries isn’t enough for the Arabs.
    Loewenstein makes clear he wouldn’t mind 6 million Jews dying in Israel so Jews live under fascist Palestinians.

    From CIfwatch last September.

    http://cifwatch.com/2012/08/23/antony-loewensteins-tasteless-holocaust-quip-six-million-should-die/

    Antony Loewenstein’s tasteless Holocaust quip: ‘Six Million Should Die.’
    August 23, 2012

    But, during the Q&A Jonathan Hoffman asked Loewenstein how many people Loewenstein thinks should die for this one-state solution, that Loewenstein wants so much, to come into existence. The idea being that Israelis are not going to vote themselves out of existence, so presumably such a state could come about only by force involving more bloodshed.

    You can hear the audio below. Loewenstein isn’t answering the question so he is pressed further by Hoffman as to how many Loewenstein thinks should die. At 2 mins. 35 you can hear Frank Barat, the Chairman, say “200,000″ (here is more on Barat) but at 2 mins. 45 you can hear Loewenstein say “Six million. That’s my answer. Write that down.”

    • “Loewenstein makes clear he wouldn’t mind 6 million Jews dying in Israel ”

      This is not correct. He says ” six million ” .He does not mention Israel. It could have been a reference to the 6 million who died during the holocaust meaning no more should die.

      A use of word mining that crashes on the first corner.

      • What a lying creep Rosco is.

        http://cifwatch.com/2012/08/23/antony-loewensteins-tasteless-holocaust-quip-six-million-should-die/

        “But, during the Q&A Jonathan Hoffman asked Loewenstein how many people Loewenstein thinks should die for this one-state solution, that Loewenstein wants so much, to come into existence. The idea being that Israelis are not going to vote themselves out of existence, so presumably such a state could come about only by force involving more bloodshed.

        You can hear the audio below. Loewenstein isn’t answering the question so he is pressed further by Hoffman as to how many Loewenstein thinks should die. At 2 mins. 35 you can hear Frank Barat, the Chairman, say “200,000″ (here is more on Barat) but at 2 mins. 45 you can hear Loewenstein say “Six million. That’s my answer. Write that down.”

    • Yes, Pat Condell. A hater of religion who acknowledges that there are those who support state violence against jewish countries. Doesn’t live on Planet PC. Must be ‘right wing’ or somethin’, huh?

    • It is kind of humourous that the Mufti is called a “Palestinian” whereas elsewhere on these pages some argued that such an appellation should be denied ..as “Palestine never existed. “However the one Palestinian who liked the Nazis gets the honour?

      • Rosco. It is clear that Palestine existed, but never NEVER as an independent, self-governed region or “country” to give it its technical term. If you look at any documents from pre-1947, “Palestinian” is the name given to anyone who lived in the area known as Palestine – whatever their religion or ethnicity. It’s rather like the term “Londoner” – you know, someone from London.

        There was never a national identity called “Palestinian” until Arafat’s PLO invented it (and only to cover Muslims and Christians, not Jews) in 1964.

        So yes, the Mufti was a Palestinian, and so was David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir and Yitzchak Shamir, and Chaim Weizman … at least until they got their shiny new Israeli passports!

  5. I find so much wrong with Mr. Loewenstein essay I don’t know where to begin, and don’t have any time to go into it right now. I don’t believe he is a serious thinker.
    Good job Adam.

    • I particularly liked the part he says ” they violated the Islamic nation” .
      This is what it’s all about . Fake honour. Just like the honour killing s those backwards practice it is the same backwardness.

  6. A point against the article: “anti-Muslim racism” doesn’t exist any more than “anti-Christian” racism exists. We don’t accuse Muslims of being racists when they attack Christianity or make bigoted attacks on Christians. So a major mark-down for me. (We should start calling racism when we see it when Muslims attack Copts, though.)

    “Radical Islam”, “political Islam”. It’s just Islam. Jihad by the sword is as much a part of Islam as going to mosque or iftar.

    As for the comments Loewenstein made: I think he should build a mobile gas machine and get his Islamist buddies to gas him. He should set the ideal example.

  7. You’lll never hear Antony Loewenstein condemn Islamic liars.

    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/turkish-jews-worried-politician-links-diaspora-protests-134241275.html

    Turkish Jews worried after politician links diaspora to protests
    July 2, 2013

    ISTANBUL (Reuters) – A Turkish deputy prime minister linked the “Jewish diaspora” to recent anti-government unrest and the country’s Jewish community expressed fears on Tuesday the comments could make them targets of popular anger.

    Turkey was rocked by violent protests last month when a small effort to save Gezi Park in central Istanbul from redevelopment mushroomed into a mass demonstration by tens of thousands of people opposed to what they see as Prime Minister Tayyip Erdogan’s increasingly authoritarian rule.
    Erdogan, in power for ten years, and other cabinet officials have spoken of conspiracies involving “foreign circles”, including an “interest-rate lobby” and international media organizations engineering the protests to undermine Turkey’s growing economy and political clout.

    “There are those inside and outside the country who are envious about Turkey growing too much,” Besir Atalay, one of four deputy prime ministers, told reporters on Monday in comments broadcast on the Cihan news agency website.

    “They are all uniting. On the one side you have the Jewish diaspora. You have seen the foreign media’s attitude over the Gezi Park events, how quickly they bought into it and how quickly and widely they started broadcasting before any assessment was made,” he said.
    The Turkish Jewish Community, which represents most of Turkey’s estimated 23,000 Jewish faithful, said Atalay’s remarks could lead to reprisals against its members in a mostly Muslim country of 76 million.

    “We are trying to obtain information about the meaning, the scope and details of Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalay’s statement about the ‘Jewish Diaspora being behind Gezi protests,'” the Turkish Jewish Community and chief rabbinate said in a joint statement on the community’s website.

    “(Because) Turkish Jewish citizens, as well as other Jewish people living all around the globe, may be affected and pointed (out) as a target of such a generalization, we wish to express our concerns and share our apprehension and worry of the consequences that such perceptions can cause.”
    Turkey’s Jews, most of whom trace their roots here to the 15th Century when their ancestors found refuge in the Ottoman Empire from the Spanish Inquisition, have in recent years faced pressure as relations between Israel and Turkey soured.

    Ties between the erstwhile military allies hit a low in May 2010 when Israeli commandoes killed nine Turkish activists in storming the Mavi Marmara, a ship in a Turkish-led convoy seeking to break a naval blockade of the Gaza Strip.

    Earlier this year, Erdogan called Zionism “a crime against humanity”, prompting objections from U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. President Barack Obama subsequently orchestrated an Israeli apology for the Mavi Marmara raid.

    While at least one other member of Erdogan’s ruling party has suggested Jewish involvement in the Gezi protest, the remarks by Atalay, appeared to be the first such public accusation by a senior member of the ruling AK Party, which traces its roots to a banned Islamist movement.

    On the microblogging site Twitter, the AK Party mayor of the Turkish capital Ankara, Melih Gokcek, said on June 16 the Gezi protests were a “a game of the Jewish lobby” and cited a Turkish newspaper report that a Washington-based think tank linked to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee lobbying group had predicted the protests earlier in the year.

  8. http://israelmatzav.blogspot.com/2013/06/turkey-its-joooz.html

    Turkey: ‘It’s the Joooz’
    June 21, 2013

    A week ago, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan issued a not-so-veiled hint that Israel was behind the riots in Istanbul’s Taksim Square. Now, media outlets that support Erdogan are taking a new tact: American Joooz are behind the riots (Hat Tip: Joshua I).

    As anti-government protests continue in Istanbul, Turkish media outlets have begun reporting that the demonstrations are part of an anti-Erdogan plot organized by members of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), a conservative think tank that is home to many former senior U.S. officials.

    “Apparently, a meeting took place between some of our scholars and outsiders, and these Jews (for many, though not all, at the alleged meeting are Jews) and their fellow travelers planned the whole thing,” AEI wrote on its website Wednesday in a statement lambasting the reports.
    The Turkish reports mention several former U.S. government insiders, including Bush administration national security adviser Elliott Abrams, former United Nations Ambassador John Bolton, Weekly Standard editor William Kristol, and former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

    The Turkish reports also claim that Jewish officials and so-called “neo-cons” associated with the American Israel Public Affairs Council (AIPAC), America’s most prominent pro-Israel lobby, are involved in the plot, which was supposedly hatched during a secret meeting in February.
    “According to this, the meeting was held at the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), which carries out its activities with the support of the Jewish lobby AIPAC,” stateda Tuesday report in Yeni Safak, a pro-government newspaper.

    “The ‘Istanbul Uprising’ scenario was simulated on 12 February in order ‘to bring the apolitical Turkish youth out on the streets,’” the report says.

    The reports erroneously claim that AEI’s Michael Rubin, a former Pentagon adviser, secretly met with other Jewish government insiders to hatch the anti-Erdogan plot.
    AEI’s Danielle Pletka does a great job of summarizing Turkey:

    “Here is the truth: Erdoğan … has begun to transform Turkey into an Islamist bastion,” Pletka wrote on AEI’s website. “The Turkish people are standing up to Erdoğan because they see what has become of their once-proud nation, and they won’t stand for it. Kudos to them.”

    It will be interesting to see when – if ever – Erdogan’s Best Fried Forever stands up for the Turkish people. Don’t hold your breath waiting.

  9. Michael Rubin rebukes the lies of Islamist Erdogan.

    http://www.aei-ideas.org/2013/06/a-little-bit-of-crazy-from-turkey/

    A little bit of crazy from Turkey
    Michael Rubin | June 19, 2013

    So Yeni Şafak, Turkey’s pro-government Islamist daily, has accused me personally of leading a cabal of former — mostly Jewish — officials to plan the Istanbul unrest months ago. Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan can’t even get Jewish conspiracies right: doesn’t he know that on Sundays, we control the banks. On Mondays, we control the newspapers.

    On Tuesdays, we think about how we can stage terrorist attacks and blame al Qaeda. On Wednesdays, we attend meetings with George Soros to discuss interest rates. On Thursdays, we plan atrocities and then order the international media to broadcast cooking shows so no one need see the violence. On Fridays, we hunt Christian children so we can use their blood to make matzoh. On Saturdays, exhausted, we rest.

    Seriously, though. The Yeni Şafak report harms Turkey’s image. It reads like something out of an Iranian or Hamas newspaper. If Erdoğan wants to know who is causing these protests, all he needs to do is look in the mirror.

  10. I think it is safe to say that religion, per se, is not an instrument of violence. It is the intolerance of the differences between religions and their claims of a more direct access to “God” that is the root of most violence between cultures, societies and nations. That is how it has always been and it is how the world will always be so long as government displace secularism with theism and the need to “worship” anything more than the unalienable rights granted to all by Nature’s God or the God of Nature.

    Just as there is tension between Sunni and Shite Muslims, there is equal tension and distrust, still, among the various Christian Sects and very few devout practitioner of each religion who without cause who choose not to distrust the Jews. Even the Jews bicker among each other as is evidenced by the Zionist being belittled and unsupported by more liberal leaning Jews who seem to be running from their own identity and proud heritage [what else explains the support for Obama among the liberal Jews as he is clearly dismissive of Israeli political imperatives regarding their own national security]. It reminds me of the split in the black community that measures skin lightness in determining status.

    World peace will never exist until religion falls to a personal level far removed from the public square and the politics of nations in my humble view.

  11. Antony Loewenstein doesn’t condemn Abbas Hate media, because I believe he enjoys Palestinian terrorists slaughtering Holocaust survivors at Passover massacre, Jewish Kids at a Bat-Mitzva celebration, students at the Hebrew University massacre, Jewish children being exterminated eating Pizza by Palestinian Nazis at the Sbarros massacre in 01.

    http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=458&fld_id=458&doc_id=9295

    PA Glorifying terrorists and terror
    June 27, 2013

    PA TV attacks PMW for calling planners of suicide bombings “terrorists”
    PA TV host: “I want to tell the Israelis that our prisoners are heroes and not terrorists. What I saw reminded me of an Israeli website called “PMW” or “Palestinian Media Watch,” a site that monitors the Palestinian media. Of course every visit that we film for a prisoner gets them angry. I was surprised a week ago that [regarding] brother Ibrahim Hamed (54 life sentences), brother Abbas Al-Sayid (35 life sentences), and brother Abdallah Barghouti (67 life sentences), they [PMW] objected, they were upset, they slandered these heroes and claimed that they are terrorists. If they see Abdallah Barghouti as a terrorist, Abbas Al-Sayid as a terrorist, Ibrahim Hamed and Nasser Awais (14 life sentences), if they see all these prisoners as terrorists, we see them as heroes… I salute you, all you heroic fighter prisoners, and of course I always wish you freedom.”

    Note: Abbas Al-Sayid – serving 35 life sentences for planning two suicide bombings, one in 2002 at a Passover dinner, killing 30 Israelis, and another in 2001, killing 5 and wounding 100.

    Abdallah Barghouti – serving 67 life sentences for preparing explosives for terror attacks in which 66 Israelis were murdered – Sbarro restaurant (15 killed, Aug. 9, 2001), Moment Cafe (11 killed, March 9, 2002), and the triple attack at the Ben Yehuda pedestrian mall (11 killed, Dec. 1, 2001).

    Ibrahim Hamed – Hamas military leader serving 54 life sentences for orchestrating suicide attacks that killed a total of 46 Israelis. These attacks included the bombings at the Hebrew University cafeteria (9 killed, July 31, 2002), Moment Cafe (12 killed, March 9, 2002), Hillel Cafe (7 killed, Sept. 9, 2003), Zion Square in the center of Jerusalem (11 killed, Dec. 1, 2001), and others.

    Nasser Awais – serving 14 life sentences for planning terror attacks in which 13 civilians were murdered: 6 killed at a Bat-Mitzva celebration (Jan. 16, 2002), 2 killed in Jerusalem (Jan. 22, 2001), and the throwing of a hand grenade that killed a baby (March 9, 2002), and other attacks.

  12. I think it is about time Jews have two states. Perhaps it is time we reverse the exodus. Egypt is divided and we can burn a church or two and than go in to defend the Christians never to come out.

  13. I think it is about time Jews have two states.
    We want much more than two states and as you certainly know from your Bible the Protocols of the Elders of Zion that our goal is to rule the entire world. Only two states?! You must be joking! The US, Hungary, and Quatar are under our thumbs already and nobody can stop us….
    And we didn’t just burn some Christian churches in Egypt we murdered many Christians masquerading as Muslims, harvested their organs and used their children’s blood for our Passover matzos.
    Walker you are seriously underestimating us….

  14. The Hungarian is onto something. Qatar has just had a new ruler appointed. It is likely, on a physical examination, that he may be found to have ZIonist connections. However, there is nothing about him in the Bible or the Torah. I do not know about the Zionist scriptures the Hungarian has mentioned.

    • Peter, it seems as if Jessy Walker’s sense of humour is as excellent as her intelligence and understanding.

    • However, there is nothing about him in the Bible or the Torah.
      Walker I’m happy to know that you are now a Bible and Torah scholar…of the kind who knows both books perfectly without ever once reading them.
      I do not know about the Zionist scriptures the Hungarian has mentioned.
      Calling the Protocols of the Elders of Zion a Zionist scripture is something that every student of modern anti-Semitism would consider a very interesting new discovery.
      Walker you are a real treasure for Cifwatch demonstrating every characteristic of a moronic Jew-hater masquerading as a human rights warrior. Please don’t go away and continue to support the Zionist case with your invaluable contributions.

        • I know what you mean. It’s almost like they’re written by a bot, they’re an absolute parody of themselves.

    • “The Hungarian is onto something. ”

      Quite. He’s onto you. You’re such a hypocrite you don’t even know you’re the butt of joke.

  15. Every student of modern or ancient Antisemitism must also know what constitutes a Semite. One cannot just go around making things up. To begin with a cursory read of the Wikipedia will help.

    The term Semite means a member of any of various ancient and modern Semitic-speaking peoples originating in the Near East, including; Akkadians (Assyrians and Babylonians), Eblaites, Ugarites, Canaanites, Phoenicians (including Carthaginians), Hebrews (Israelites, Judeans and Samaritans), Ahlamu, Arameans, Chaldeans, Amorites, Moabites, Edomites, Hyksos, Arabs, Nabateans, Maganites, Shebans, Sutu, Ubarites, Dilmunites, Bahranis, Maltese, Mandaeans, Sabians, Syriacs, Mhallami, Amalekites, Arabs, Sabians, Syriacs, Palmyrans and Ethiopian Semites. It was proposed at first to refer to the languages related to Hebrew by Ludwig Schlözer, in Eichhorn’s “Repertorium”, vol. VIII (Leipzig, 1781), p. 161. Through Eichhorn the name then came into general usage (cf. his “Einleitung in das Alte Testament” (Leipzig, 1787), I, p. 45). In his “Geschichte der neuen Sprachenkunde”, pt. I (Göttingen, 1807) it had already become a fixed technical term.[1]

    Anti-Semite has become a term of abuse by those who understand very little of human history and humanity, ancient or modern.

    • “One cannot just go around making things up”
      ‘Jessy’ it has not stopped you so far from making things up and posting them.

      So when did you undergo this miraculous conversion to a desire to rely on facts and truth?
      When will there be evidence of the new ‘Jessy’ who is going to stop making things up and for a complete change use facts and truth, instead of your usual lies and ignorance?

    • Every student of modern or ancient Antisemitism must also know what constitutes a Semite. One cannot just go around making things up. To begin with a cursory read of the Wikipedia will help.
      Then maybe you should have read the relevant article on Wiki before performing the impossible and making a bigger cretin of yourself
      Antisemitism (also spelled anti-semitism or anti-Semitism) is prejudice, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews for reasons connected to their Jewish heritage. A person who holds such positions is called an “antisemite”. It is considered by most scientists to be a form of racism.
      While the term’s etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples, the term was coined in the late 19th century in Germany as a more scientific-sounding term for Judenhass (“Jew-hatred”),[1] and that has been its normal use since then.[2] For the purposes of a 2005 U.S. governmental report, antisemitism was considered “hatred toward Jews—individually and as a group—that can be attributed to the Jewish religion and/or ethnicity.”

    • “One cannot just go around making things up,” says the commenter, making things up.

      Jessy, just because I’m a kindhearted and giving person, I am providing for you a little history of the term “antisemitism”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism

      Here’s the etymology (don’t let the big word “etymology” scare you; it just means “where the word comes from”): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism#Etymology

      In case it’s too difficult for you to click the link, here’s a key passage:

      In 1873 German journalist Wilhelm Marr published a pamphlet “The Victory of the Jewish Spirit over the Germanic Spirit. Observed from a non-religious perspective.” (“Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum. Vom nicht confessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.”)[14] in which he used the word “Semitismus” interchangeably with the word “Judentum” to denote both “Jewry” (the Jews as a collective) and “jewishness” (the quality of being Jewish, or the Jewish spirit). Although he did not use the word “Antisemitismus” in the pamphlet, the coining of the latter word followed naturally from the word “Semitismus” and indicated either opposition to the Jews as a people, or else opposition to Jewishness or the Jewish spirit, which he saw as infiltrating German culture. In his next pamphlet, “The Way to Victory of the Germanic Spirit over the Jewish Spirit”, published in 1880, Marr developed his ideas further and coined the related German word Antisemitismus – antisemitism, derived from the word “Semitismus” that he had earlier used.

      The pamphlet became very popular, and in the same year he founded the “League of Antisemites” (“Antisemiten-Liga”)…

    • A complete idiot coming here to explain Jews what is Antisemitism.
      As the new Antisemits usually do.

      • The new anti-Semites, like this Jessy Wanker, think they are so sophiscated while in fact they are total morons (and cowards to boot). This BS about a dictionary word is just typical; very postmodern and “deconstructive” of the “hegemonic narrative”. In doubt, as the fraudster-in-chief and douche-bag extraordinaire, mr./ms rascal burnout (of infamous in-laws fame).

        • And, quite common for Antsmeite, they are not the least embarassed by their behaviour, that is, to teach Jews another lesson.
          They are enormously self righteous, in an extent that can lead to murder of Jews, at least to express acceptance for murder of Jews..

    • Anti-Semitism means Jew-hatred, which is your life’s obsession. Say hi to nick-a-Natzie, jim jerbyl, adam biggots, and the next ridiculous monikers you’ll choose next.

  16. Abuse and patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Gerald, so instead of dealing with the substance you find it easier to be abusive. May be you have no substance and that is your problem.

    • ‘Jessy’ it is indeed sad that you find the truth abusive.
      But that says a lot more about you than me.

      Obviously your conversion, to truth and fact, didn’t last very long

    • Hey, Jessy Wanker, you pathetic sock-puppeteer, tell us how do you choose your hilarious monikers.

      For the next ones I suggest the following:

      – Peter Farnsworth
      -Jamima Nightingale
      -Abigail Pinkerston
      -Denise Sakhnusen
      -Harry Henderson
      -Tony Brighton
      -Judy Dawson
      -Sandy Foster

      etc

    • “Abuse and patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.” – Jessy Walker, the messy talker

      It used to be, but then came along anti-Israel activism.

  17. cba I generally do not take lessons from racists on history or anything for that matter.

    However, thanks for the explanation of that difficult word you so kindly explained to me. If you want to learn about Semitic peoples and their origins, instead of reading a German racist, it is better to read academics and even wikipedia articles that even sights a genetic study is more helpful. Anyway the main principle I go by we are all one race, the Human race, and both academic and scientific researches point to that being the case.

    In case you want to enlighten yourself here are some of the paragraphs from the wikipedia. I am not going to try and explain some of the difficult words to you, I am sure you are quite capable to work it out for yourself. If I can you can. We belong to the same species and God, in his wisdom has given us similar capacities.

    In contrast, some recent genetic studies found that analysis of the DNA of Semitic-speaking peoples suggests that they have some common ancestry. Though no significant common mitochondrial results have been yielded, Y-chromosomal links between Semitic-speaking Near-Eastern peoples like Arabs, Hebrews and Assyrians have proved fruitful, despite differences contributed from other groups (see Y-chromosomal Aaron). Sayyid, who are Shia Muslims, are of Semitic origin, and many of them live in Iraq, Iran and as far east as the Indian Subcontinent. In North India, researchers have done DNA testing on Sayyid and have linked them closely to Arabs and Jews, more than to their geographic neighbours, due to migration to India a few hundred years ago from the Middle East.[7] The studies attribute this correlation to a common Near Eastern origin, since Semitic-speaking Near Easterners from the Fertile Crescent (including Jews) were found to be more closely related to non-Semitic speaking Near Easterners (such as Iranians, Anatolians, and Caucasians) than to other Semitic-speakers (such as Gulf Arabs, Ethiopian Semites, and North African Arabs).[8][9]

  18. I agree I am a bastard and you calling me one is not abuse but just a statement of fact and I am unable to accept facts. Case proven. God, Gerald is so perceptive.

    • Congratulations ‘Jessy’
      “I agree I am a bastard and you calling me one is not abuse but just a statement of fact and I am unable to accept facts. Case proven. God, Gerald is so perceptive.”
      This is a double-first for you.
      The first time you have told the truth and the first time I’ve agreed with one of your posts.

  19. cba who was humpty-dumpty and what is reincarnation. You do need to tell because you are the only one who knows as you say.

    • Yes, Jessy. cba is the only person who has ever read the Lewis Carroll novel, Through The Looking Glass or seen any of the many film and TV adaptations of it, the only person who has ever sung the nursery rhyme “Humpty Dumpty sat on a wall” and the only person ever to have heard of reincarnation (which happens to be one of the fundamental beliefs of Buddhism, one of the major world religions).

      My my, and you accused me (on another thread) of living in “a different world”!

      • I think it’s fair to say that you live in a different world from Jessy Walker. And I’m sure you’re profoundly grateful for that fact.

        • Talking seriously, the problem with people like Jessy and his other personalities is not that he’s not familiar with Alice in Wonderland, but he’s absolutely, totally and clearly doesn’t have a clue about human rights, racism, the ME conflict, its history, peoples, cultures, ideologies etc. and the same time he has a very strong opinion based only on his hatred of the Jews (a subject he does nothing about either). He’s not alone but a typical example of the armchair warrior enemies of Israel so well known from the Guardian’s fan club.

          • What’s typical of postmodern anti-Semites, such as Jesse Wanker (aka Jim Jerbyl aka Adam Biggots aka…) is the really idiotic mask of “human righters”. They are a bunch of cowards that need to hide their boiling Jew-hatred. And this includes that pathetic fraudster Rascal Burnout.

  20. If we are to accept the Hungarian definition of anti-antisemitism, that would make it a European phenomenon. Which would not be correct as the While the term’s etymology might suggest that antisemitism is directed against all Semitic peoples. So my newly acquired knowledge of the word etymology it is something that is directed against all Semitic people. Any way it may be that the European Anti-Semites targeted the Jews as they were living next door to the Jews and not the Arab Semite. I know Zionists have this concept of self-hate but the Arabs are never going to hate themselves.

  21. Jessy the Antisemite.
    Why knownothings like you are posting here is explained by their antisemitism which by definition includes irrational hate. Such perverse minds always seek an explanation for their sickness.

  22. Perhaps ‘Jessy’ and his ilk will condemn the attacks on, and prejudice against Christians in Pakistan.
    ASIA/PAKISTAN – Discrimination and hatred: the church and civil society take stock of the problems concerning Christian minorities

    Lahore (Agenzia Fides) – Becoming aware of the discrimination, injustice, prejudice of whom Christians in Pakistan face and are victims, about 3% of the population, and the necessity to report these issues to the new government: with this intent Christian leaders of different denominations, priests , scholars, lawyers, human rights activists recently met in Lahore, noting “the deteriorating situation of Christians and the growing threats from Muslim extremists towards minorities.” The result of the meeting was a Memorandum, sent to Fides Agency, which takes stock of the situation and will be sent to civil institutions. Fides offers a summary of the text, which indicates the most burning issues regarding the Christians life in Pakistan.
    1. Religious discrimination. Christian communities and associations receive frequent complaints on these issues. Minorities live in fear and are discriminated against religion, culture, social class. Christians are victims of abuse of human dignity and generally regarded as “second class citizens”.
    2. Economic persecution. The law states that 5% of public jobs destined to religious minorities are not implemented by the central government. In many public services only Muslims are accepted, while Christian employees do not receive their salaries. Christians are deprived of the right to work in the private sector only because of their faith.
    3. Religious hatred: is one of the most serious problems. Radical groups and Islamic extremists argue that Pakistan is a land reserved for Muslims and that there should be no non-Muslim Pakistanis. This mentality creates insecurity among minorities.
    4. Blasphemy Law: The promulgation and the abuse of the blasphemy law against Pakistani Christians is one of the biggest concerns. The law continues to be abused and misused for private disputes, and does not provide penalties for those who formulate false accusations.
    5. Violence and impunity. Christians are victims of violence based on religion. There have been sensational mass episodes (such as the fire which broke out in “Joseph colony” in Laho in March) but also in the private and social life. Violence remains unpunished most of the time.
    6. Prejudice against textbooks and schools. Public schools in Pakistan are “factories of hatred.” In school textbooks that are used discredit Christian and Hindu minorities and contribute to creating a climate of hatred and prejudice in the minds of children and young people. (PA) (Agenzia Fides 03/07/2013)

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