Why wasn’t this deleted? Passover edition.


Guardian contributor Harry J Enten recently published a personal story at ‘Comment is Free’ about his childhood memories of Passover, and how his affection for the Jewish holiday has grown over the years (Passover is an acquired taste I’ve grown to love, March 25).

Despite the completely apolitical (and non-theological) nature of Enten’s first person essay about perhaps the most widely observed Jewish holiday among both religious and secular Jews, the first CiF reader to comment couldn’t help but impute, in the celebration of the Jewish people’s deliverance from slavery in Egypt, something much darker.

keoThe comment, charging Jews around the world with celebrating genocide, has thus far received 62 ‘Recommends’ and has not been deleted by moderators despite its flagrant violation of ‘Comment is Free’ community standards.

28 comments on “Why wasn’t this deleted? Passover edition.

  1. Of course no mention of the hundreds of years of suffering by Jews and the Pharoh’s attempts at genocide.

  2. You must be joking. Keo’s cool – as you would know if you’d bothered to read his comments in general.

    He is most certainly not “charging Jews around the world with celebrating genocide”.

      • “His avatar is Woody Allen”

        Sorry pretzelberg but the significance of his avatar being Woody Allen is what exactly?

    • Normally I would agree. Keo is generally a sensible and thoughtful poster. But this time he’s let himself down. His snide comments about Passover are really quite tasteless.

      Similar comments made about a Muslim religious observance would be removed by Guardian moderators without a second thought. The Guardian is prepared to tolerate a level of abuse towards Jewish tradition that it would never allow against Islam. It feeds into the Guardian’s vicious campaign against Israel.

  3. Keo is normally 100% onside. His posts are considered and intelligent and highly supportive of Israel and Jews. Having re-read this post, I’d say it was very out of character for him.

  4. I don’t think it is even an accurate account of the story. Maybe I’m wrong, but wasn’t that the one where whatever Pharaoh decided he would do to the Jews next would be reversed and boomerang back? A biblical version of the old “I’m rubber, you’re glue.”
    Oh, and, Passover does in fact commemorate the Jews escape from Egypt. Maybe he was joking, but the recommends are disturbing.

      • Maybe he was doing a social experiment. i.e. the recommends?
        The take KEO writes about can be applied to Chanukah or Purim or even Lag BaOmer.

        Someone told me that the short version of every Jewish holiday is: “They came to destroy us, We prayed to god, He answered, We fought back, We were saved.”
        Of course this is not true at all because most holidays have nothing to do with fighting but rather with inner soul searching, commemorating the fallen, respect for nature or harvesting.

  5. Interesting that the anti-Semites who maintain the Jewish scriptures entirely fiction, suddenly believe every scriptural detail which can be twisted to falsely charge the ancient Jews with genocide.

  6. Why should the moderators on CIF delete an extremely offensive (and ignorant) anti-Jewish comment? These posts are their bread and butter…

      • I repeat the well established observation of Irit from 7:16.
        Apparently you still have trouble reading plain English.
        Where is the part with any question whether the Guardian should publish anything about Passover. The article is about an uncensored extremely offensive post containing the usual anti-Semitic trope – Jews are celebrating the death of children. Maybe for you this is only a simple feature of the world’s leading liberal voice for others it is something else known from neo-Nazi and Islamist literature.
        Keo whatever is saying that Jews at Passover don’t commemorate their escape from slavery but the genocide of children. Obviously Woody Allen avatar or not the fellow hasn’t the slightest idea about Passover in particular and Judaism in general but rants about the child-murderer Jews. A fine stuff for the Guardian…

        • Apparently you still have trouble reading plain English.

          Oh, do stop being such an arrogant arse.

          … the usual anti-Semitic trope – Jews are celebrating the death of children … neo-Nazi and Islamist literature … rants about the child-murderer Jews

          You must lead a very miserable life if you genuinely believe such bullshit.

          • This is the high time to repeat it the third time:
            Apparently you still have trouble reading plain English.
            Keo2008 wrote: Passover does not in fact commemorate the Jews escape from Egypt but the moment god lost his temper and committed genocide on thousands of Egyptian children.
            I may lead a very miserable life but I can read and understand simple and plain English texts. Not like you pretzel…

            • I can read and understand simple and plain English texts

              Read – yes. Understand – no.

              Your interpretation is frankly hysterical.

              • Interpretation!? pretzel your inability to acknowledge your extremely idiotic bullcrap is simply amazing.
                Let’s repeat again Keo’s text::
                Passover does not in fact commemorate the Jews escape from Egypt but the moment God lost his temper and committed genocide on thousands of Egyptian children.
                Again Passover [the most important holiday in Judaism] does not commemorate the Jews escape from Egypt but the moment god lost his temper and committed genocide on thousands of Egyptian children.
                The only possible interpretation for any reasonable reader (you and others trying to whitewash open, clear and vicious antisemitism not included) is that in fact Jews don’t commemorate their escape from Egypt but the massacre of children.
                Please interpret this for your inferiors, I’m looking for it…
                But maybe you should use some retrospection and apologize for your dumb provocation and insults. (don’t worry I’m joking now)

                • I see provocative…
                  So let’s say:
                  Stealing is in the blood of every Gipsy!!!
                  Blacks are born criminals!!!
                  Jews are drinking the blood of Christian/Muslim (take your pick) children!!!
                  Am I being provocative enough?
                  Again pretzel your twisting only makes your hole deeper and deeper….

  7. To KEO,

    Though I apreciate your comments in most cases it is very important to highlight that when we reach the plagues part we dip our finger in our wine and remove a droplet after each plague mentioned.
    This is to show that even though the lord stroke Egypt with plagues we do not rejoice in this part and we take away from our joy by denining wine from us.

    Further more we reread this part that we do not rejoice in the loss of life but in the part we regained our freedom for no empire should be built on the back of slaves.

    We also mention that when the sea joined back drowning the Egyptian lord spoke to the angels who were dancing asking them “My creations are drowning and you dance and rejoice”.
    It is a bitter sweet joy as is every victory where lives are lost.

    And we most certainly celebrate the exodus and not the death of the Egyptians.
    The reason why the Ten plagues are mentioned is to remind those who believe in it of the power of their chosen god.

    Add to that the most of the service is to do with songs about our return to Cenaan and about freedom, questions about the traditions, question about the views people take in learning traditions I’d say the plagues are a mini part in the Seder.

    Good day.

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