Thou shall not criticize the BBC at ‘Comment is Free’?


John Ware published an essay on Nov. 10 at ‘Comment is Free’ titled ‘A personal tragedy, and a hammer blow for an honest institution‘, about the resignation of George Entwistle as the BBC’s director general after a Newsnight report wrongly implicated Tory peer Lord McAlpinein in the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal.

Ware, a BBC Panorama reporter since 1986, criticized BBC senior management, which he accused of having “collapsed into a dysfunctional heap” under the strain the Savile and McAlpinein crises, before rallying to Auntie’s defense thus:

“The irony is, as Michael Grade used to say, when he ran Channel 4: “It’s the BBC that keeps us honest.” That was true then, and it remains true today, despite the trouble that Entwistle’s resignation has prompted.

At almost every level, BBC journalism illuminates areas of our national life, and around the world, with a care and precision unmatched by other media outlets. On any objective view, the BBC is overwhelmingly a force for good and understanding. And this really is the point. The Newsnight debacle is an aberration.”

A CiF commenter took exception to Ware’s argument, writing this:

 

Here’s a capture of the BBC report the commenter linked to:

A bit later, however, the comment was deleted, deemed inappropriate by CiF moderators:

 

Finally, just as a FYI, there’s a great site I’ve recently ‘come across’ whose managing editor expertly fisked the report cited above and, more broadly, superbly illuminates the BBC’s consistent anti-Israel bias with “care and precision” unmatched by any other blog. 

66 comments on “Thou shall not criticize the BBC at ‘Comment is Free’?

  1. I learned the hard way that any mention or even quotation from cifwatch or bbcwatch results in swift deletion of the post + ‘premoderation’ of future comments. They will allow no organized dissent. The totalitarian spirit of CiF’s moderators is plain for all to see.

      • “A 13-year-old Palestinian boy was killed by IDF fire during in clashes between the army and Gaza-based terrorist groups on Thursday, Palestinian medical officials said.”
        Palestinian medical officials and Nats both deflect from the reality on the ground, the abuse of youths by the Palestinian terrorists since decades, and abuse them a second time. What a detestable way of thinking and behaviour, beyond civil und human right standards.

          • Of course he does. That’s why his comment condemns “the abuse of youths by the Palestinian terrorists”–as you can clearly see, were you of a mind to look.

          • Cba, more than 300 children were killed by Israeli fire in Gaza in operation Cast Lead. Why do you omit this fact?

          • I must say that I understand neither Fritz, nor Cba. All children have the right to life, regardless of their race, nationality or religion. Both Israeli and Palestinian children have the right to be safe.

          • Fritz has not answered, but I’ll ask again: Fritz, don’t you think that all children have the right to life?

          • Certainly, and lives free from abuse by people they should be able to trust, like Hamas and their parents who willingly give them over to be inducted into “martyrdom” in Hamas’ tender hands.

            I would say, “get real”, Nat, but you’re a parody of yourself, and too deluded to engage with.

          • We’re actually waiting for Fritz to answer. Fritz, don’t you think that all children have the right to life, and that both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live in their own respective states, in peace and within secure borders?

        • 300 youths organised by terror organisations to murder Jews have died, for the hate of deluded people. If you want to defend these terrorists who send youths to death, go on.

          • Fritz, don’t you think that all children have the right to life, and that both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live in their own respective states, in peace and within secure borders?

          • Fritz will not answer. That is really disturbing. I could never understand why some people don’t want to protect children’s right to live.

    • So you – and the many people supporting your comment – agree with MitaKhondria that the BBC report gave “the deliberately erroneous impression that the Israelis started it”?

      Weird.

      • If your comments – currently over half of latest posts – at least had substance to them, I wouldn’t mind you clogging up the blog. But many tend to be utter inanities like the above.

        FFS give it a rest.

  2. First the Premoderation as I found out whenever you try and point out the errors in Al-Guardian or the BBC and then if you persist in trying to put the facts as i found out again you get banned any lawyers out there fancy a go at putiting together a case against Al-Guardian and the comment is free moderators or the BBC as both seem unable to be able to tell fact from fiction

    • Ed, nothing can justify the murder of children.

      However you are mistaken. The Fogels were not living in Israel, they were living in a settlement built in the Palestinian territory.

        • Fritz, as you are well aware of, Israeli settlements in the Palestinian territotry are considered a violation of international law by the ICRC, the International Court of Justice, several UN security resolutions and the reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions.

          • Disgusting Nat. First, the location of the Fogels’ home is absolutely no justification for their brutal and deliberate murder. Second, your attempt to divert the argument to a discussion of the legal status of the “settlements” is strained to say the least. Ed said “Even when the Palestinians chop the head of Israeli babies like the Fogels…” He did not make any comment at all about the location of that disgusting murder, so your comment that he is “mistaken” is entirely wrong and irrelevant.

            As Brian Cohen once so eloquently put it… “Now F@*# Off.”

          • Labenal, nothing can justify the murder of children.

            However you are mistaken. The Fogels were not living in Israel, they were living in a settlement built in the Palestinian territory.

          • Haha! Nat repeats a post with absolutely no regard to the point made. What a crass, shallow, hate-ridden fool you are Nat. I shall waste no more time on you.

          • Labenal, nothing can justify the murder of children, ever. However many Israelis have difficulties understanding why settlers leave Israel, its safety and its child-friendly environment, and move to a settlement located in Palestinian territory. There are so many wonderful places where one can live in Israel, so why leave the country?

      • Nothing can justify the murder of children, says Nat, but then he goes on to qualify that by giving them a tenuous altered status.

        Disgusting.

        • Nat is clearly obfuscating by implying that the Fogels weren’t Israeli – which is plain stupid.

          But where do they qualify their statement about murdered children?

          • I must say that like many Israelis, I have dififculties understanding why people would chose to leave the safety of Israel and raise children in an unsafe settlement located in the middle of the Palestinian territory.

        • Nat says it was the Fogel’s fault their children were massacred because they lived somewhere Nat says they shouldn’t be living.

          Nothing sicker than blaming the victim. Like blaming a woman for being raped because she “asked for it” because she wore a short skirt.


          Nat
          November 12, 2012 @ 2:36 am

          Ed, nothing can justify the murder of children.

          Nat, you’re a two face POS.

          • Bio, nothing can justify the murder of children. Never.

            However many Israelis have dififculties understanding why parents would chose to leave the safety of Israel and raise children in an unsafe settlement located in the middle of the Palestinian territory.

            Why leave the Jewish state for a settlement outside Israel?

      • “The Fogels were not living in Israel, they were living in a settlement built in the Palestinian territory.”

        So that if it were true, justifies the murder (in a most gruesome and barbaric way) of the Fogel children?

        You are indeed a most vile and despicable creature attempting to disguise yourself behind a very thin veneer of caring, compassionate and oh-so-moral criticism of “Israel’s policies”.

        I wish you would just go away, or even die.

        • Biodegradable, I must say that like many Israelis, I have difficulties understanding why people would choose to leave the safety of Israel, which is a great country to raise children, and move in an unsafe outpost located in the middle of the Palestinian territory. Don’t you?

          • Bio, nothing can justify the murder of children. Never.

            However many Israelis have dififculties understanding why parents would chose to leave the safety of Israel and raise children in an unsafe settlement located in the middle of the Palestinian territory.

            Why leave the Jewish state for a settlement outside Israel?

        • As I understand it “settlements” are in “disputed territories, which means those areas are not necessarily “outside Israel”. Indeed many Israelis, unlike you, believe that land to be part of Israel.

          You continue to blame the victims.

          I’m British but live in Spain. If my children had been killed by the train bombs in Madrid some years ago, or if they were killed by ETA Basque terrorists, would you be tut-tutting and “wondering” why I chose to move my family to somewhere that isn’t in the UK?

          • Bio, Israeli settlements are in violation of article 49 (6) of the 4th Geneva Convention. Article 49 (6 ) of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which prohibits a state from transferring parts of its own civilian population to territory it occupies, does not merely prohibit the occupying state from forcefully transferring parts of its population; it also prohibits any action by the occupier which facilitates such transfer.

            The International Court of Justice, the ICRC, several resolutions of the UN Security Council and the reconvened Conference of the High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions all declared that Israeli settlements are in violation of international law.

          • Bio, as a British citizen, a country member of the European Union, you have the right to live in any other member state of the EU.

            However Israeli settlers who leave Israel and move to settlements built in the Palestinian territory are in violation of international humanitarian law.

  3. ‘Our community standards’ are remarkably lax for the BBC and Hamas, but don’t concern yourself, the leeway is more than made up for by Israel, which is held to the highest of standards.

    • Hamas does not claim to be a democracy, while Israel claims to the the only democracy in the Middle-East. It is logical to hold the Governement of Israel to the same standards as those of European or North-American democracies.

      • Actually the claim is that ‘Hamas was democratically elected’. It is also a religious party and the moral parallel between religious obligations and standards demands that Hamas should behave well. But we find that pro-Hamasniks have to make excuses all the time for the deplorable behaviour of these terrorists.

        The Guardian finds it so difficult to do this that it resorts to deleting any mention that doesn’t show them up in the most flattering or compassion-awakening light. I don’t envy these apologists since they have to either lie, avoid things or their best and most frequent ploy, deflect it all onto their opponent du jour, either Israel, IJ, Fatah or Egypt.

      • Whaaat??? So what’s all the BS about it being “democratically elected” whenever its actions are criticised? Are you actually agreeing that Hamas-run Gaza is an Islamofascist dictatorship? Do tell!

  4. Have I missed summat? Where does the BBC report “give the deliberately erroneous impression that the Israelis start it” – as claimed by MitaKhondria?

    On an article about the BBC and the DG’s resignation, there are perfectly valid grounds for deleting said comment for being off-topic.

    The headline “Thou shall not criticize the BBC at ‘Comment is Free’?” is frankly pretty silly – especially given the countless anti-BBC comments on any given day on CiF.

  5. “after a Newsnight report wrongly implicated Tory peer Lord McAlpinein in the Jimmy Savile child abuse scandal.”

    No, it did not. The programme was about the child abuse scandal at Bryn Estyn in which one of the victims alleged that a senior Tory was involved in abusing him.

    “the strain the Savile and McAlpinein crises,”

    Adam a very basic check would have informed you that the name of the Tory peer wrongly alleged to be involved in the case was McAlpine. Yet not once but twice you wrongly type the name as ‘McAlpinein’
    It does not take much, if any, care and precision to get the basic facts about such a shocking story correct.

  6. Nat,
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4303922,00.html
    French gunman’s brother blames parents in new book
    Toulouse gunman’s brother says siblings were told by mother ‘We, the Arabs, we were born to hate Jews’
    Associated Press
    11.11.12,

    I’v talked over and over about the racism and glorification the Arabs do about massacring the Jews and how Richard Falk and the U.N supports Arab terrorism.
    Over 150 missles fired by Hamas terrorists at Israeli civilians and Falk still cant condemn Hamas terrorism.

    The UN is the Theater of the absurd,where Syria and Libya were on the UN human rights NGO and they wanted to give Ghaddafi a human rights award
    They were responsible for the Durban Neo Nazi hatefest complete with posters of Hitler and free copies of the protocols.
    UNESCO broke their own rules for the Arabs
    The list goes on as does the Arab abuse of the General Assembly.

    It probably goes back to.
    “Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor.
    The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin Al Husseini and Hitlers ally
    from Radio Berlin, March 1, 1944.

  7. Nat, Palestine has never existed as a country. To be sure, there were a few Arabs living on the land when the first Zionists arrived in the late 18th century. But they didn’t regard themselves as Palestinians, nor have a national structure, government, parliament, king, prime minister or president, etc.

      • Nor did “Palestine”.

        nothing can justify the murder of children –
        Agreed.
        Murder : “the unlawful killing, with malice aforethought, of another human”.
        This is not what Israel did.
        Defending your country against thousands of rocket attacks over many years is self defence,not murder.

        Thou shall not criticize the BBC at ‘Comment is Free’? –
        Well done cifwatch*,once again,for clearly demonstrating,beyond any doubt,the fact that cif practices clear censorship,and it’s moniker is a lie.

        *Despite the regular spoilers,who attempt to divert every thread away from its subject.

        Nat – “the safety of Israel” – Excluding the thousands of rocket attacks presumably?

    • To be sure, there were a few Arabs living on the land when the first Zionists arrived in the late 18th century.

      Good God. What do you sound like …?

  8. Why does Islamic Jihad and Hamas send rockets from a school praying that the other side return fire and kill some of it’s children. That’s Gaza today. The Arabs are the only people in the world that go out day by day figuring ways to get their children to die in front of the world press.
    What a sick demented society these Pals are.

    • “The Arabs are the only people in the world that go out day by day figuring ways to get their children to die in front of the world press.”

      This comment is sheer racism and disgusting.

      • How do you call people that go out day by day figuring ways to get their children to die in front of the world press?
        Martyrs I suppose.

      • Absolutely right.
        While CiFWatch publishes entire articles focussing on dodgy BTL comments at the Guardian, it does not seem bothered by bigotry among its own posters.

        • Good point. When will CIF Watch do a compilation of the wost, most biggoted and racist comments posted on its own website?

  9. Unfortunately I see no response from CiFWatch to my question.

    Can ANYONE point out where the BBC headline “gives the deliberately erroneous impression that the Israelis start it” – as claimed by MitaKhondria?

  10. Still no response from CiFW …

    This article is based on the comment by MitaKhondria.
    But where does the BBC headline give “the deliberately erroneous impression that the Israelis start it”?

  11. The BBC has long been observed as the bastion of honest, composed and truthful journalism, with panorama as its flagship current activities program. No more. The asylum night was gummy, provocative, ill researched tabloid pap. The right wing bigots, so verbal in the cause against refugees must feel fabulous knowing their tragic views and arguments have now been given “official” sanction.

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