A guest post by ‘Comment is Free’ contributor Charlie Skelton, replying to CiF Watch criticism


A guest post by Charlie Skelton

[Editor's Note: We were contacted by Charlie Skelton, shortly after I published a critique of his 'Comment is Free' essay, asking for the right to reply. In the spirit of free comment, I agreed. - A.L.]

On July 12, CiFWatch published a piece: “A Guardian-Baathist Alliance? Syrian gov’t uses CiF essay for pro-regime propaganda“. The subject of the piece: an article I’d recently written for the Comment is Free section of the Guardian website.

My article talked, quite longwindedly, about the relationships between certain senior Syrian opposition spokespeople and various Washington and London policy bodies and advocates of western intervention.

My article set alarm bells ringing at CiFWatch HQ:

“Who are these shadowy forces pulling the strings of Syrian opposition? Do we really even need to ask?” 

This is about where I started blinking in disbelief at the CiFWatch piece, which continues:

“So, who are those evil neocons? Skelton names one in particular, with a predictable ethnic background.” 

Step forward, Michael Weiss, whom I described as “the American journalist and Daily Telegraph blogger”. I only discovered his “predictable ethnic background” while reading the CiFWatch critique.

These words from my article are quoted:

Michael Weiss echoes Ambassador Ross when he says: “Military intervention in Syria isn’t so much a matter of preference as an inevitability.” 

And underneath, CiF Watch commented:

Two Jews? Go figure. 

Go figure? 

Go figure what exactly? Is Ambassador Ross Jewish? I suppose he must be. Gun to my head, I’d have guessed Scottish roots. But what an unpleasant insinuation – that I’m somehow picking out Jews for special scorn. This is so bizarrely off the mark, and such a serious accusation, that I have to spell out in detail what I was actually doing.

Ambassador Dennis Ross had been an ethnically undefined blip on my radar after I found his name on a press release for a 2008 meeting, in Washington, called ‘Syria In-Transition’. But the only reason I quoted from a USA Today op-ed by Ambassador Ross is the fact that it showed a relevant establishment insider making a point that followed on neatly from (non-Jew?) William Hague’s quote about the “legitimacy” of the Syrian National Council. Ross talked about creating the “aura of inevitability” around the transition of power to the SNC, and I noticed the same word – “inevitability” – in a piece by Michael Weiss. What they have in common isn’t Jewishness. It’s that they’re both talking about “inevitability”.

“Two Jews. Go figure.”

No. I will not “go figure” anything – I didn’t know either man is Jewish, but so what if I had been aware? I quote Woody Allen and Jerry Seinfeld all the time – is that ok? Two Jews. Go figure.

I spend a bit of time talking about Weiss, it’s true – but reasonably so: for one thing, he’s written a HJS briefing paper that turned up (in edited form) as a military strategy resource on the official SNC website. And he co-wrote another HJS Strategic Briefing with “pro-democracy activist” Hamza Fakher (Syrian, probably not Jewish). And he writes about the region for ‘NOW Lebanon’, which, as I say, was set up by Eli Khoury (Lebanese).

Let’s be clear, I’m no fan of Weiss; in my eyes, he’s a craven hawkish c-word who stands for plenty of things I despise. I dislike him and his work, but not for his Jewishness. Michael Weiss is a Jew that I grew to dislike without knowing that he’s a Jew. Does this make me a crypto-anti-semite? No, it just makes me a Weiss-disliker. Does his Jewishness (known or unknown) mean I can’t criticize his relentless war-drumming? Can I not call him ‘interventionist’ without implying something more than that?

CiFWatch then picks me up on my cherry-picked list of the Henry Jackson Society’s International Patrons (one short paragraph, practically an aside, in a 5,000 word article):

The Henry Jackson Society’s international patrons include: James “ex-CIA boss” Woolsey, Michael “homeland security” Chertoff, William “PNAC” Kristol, Robert “PNAC” Kagan’, Joshua “Bomb Iran” Muravchick, and Richard “Prince of Darkness” Perle. 

CiFWatch is outraged: “Oh my! There are more Jewish names in the mix.”

Are there…? Which ones? If I had to guess, I’d say Woosley isn’t. Kristol? Somewhere in my head he’s an old-money Waspish type. I think Kagan might well be Jewish. (I’ve come across Kagan before, saying stupid things about the Bilderberg conference. Which is me calling him stupid, not a stupid Jew). Muravchick? I’ll say Jewish, for twenty points. Richard Perle? No idea. He’s the Prince of Darkness – which means he’s a fallen angel, which I think puts him above such distinctions as ethnicity.

The point is: I went through the list of International Patrons of the HJS, picking out the most overtly hawkish (“Bomb Iran” etc.) and senior members of bodies I have no great love of (the CIA, PNAC, Homeland Security) – and Richard Perle because I knew him from Bilderberg. And Michael Chertoff because I thoroughly dislike him.

I really properly dislike Michael “bodyscanner” Chertoff. Is he Jewish? He might be. I wouldn’t dislike him any more or less if he is. You know what – I’m not even going to look it up. I’m going to go on resenting his nasty shark-eyed face in glorious ignorance of his ethnicity. Sharkish is what I see him as. Corrupt. Not Jewish, or non-Jewish. Just horrible.

But for heaven’s sake, Chertoff only gets a single name check in my piece. I go on for reams about Ausama Monajed (Syrian) who seems like a ghastly individual. The CiFWatch critique suggests, I think falsely, that the Jewish people I mention are central to the argument of my article. They really aren’t. Michael Weiss features at some length in the latter part, but he’s by no means the focus of the piece – but so what if he was? He’s constantly banging on about western intervention in Syria, I banged on about him for a few paragraphs. Seems only fair.

216 comments on “A guest post by ‘Comment is Free’ contributor Charlie Skelton, replying to CiF Watch criticism

  1. The first question should be why Mr. Skelton, a self-professed Oliver tree cultivator, and comedian, gets to write on Syria, in a broadsheet newspaper, a subject in which he probably has no footing or qualification to address.
    Another would be to ask whether Mr. Skelton, a known 9/11 “truther” can be trusted with anything OTHER than spinning conspiracy theories?
    (http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/sep/11/ground-zero-bbc-protest)
    A third one could polemicize about Mr. Skelton appears on the “Alex Jones Show”, making some offhand remarks about Holocaust Denial.
    (http://hurryupharry.org/2012/07/14/911-troofer-writes-for-the-guardian/)
    Lastly, I wonder what IS Mr. Skelton’s solution to the Syrian Uprising?; and how he has found it very quaint to support a repressive, Baathist regime?

    • Charlie. I read your post here and was almost convinced. Util I read above that you are a ‘troofer’ and rather sympathetic to Holocaust denial.

      I do not see anti Semites behind every rock. Neither do I think that all those that criticize Israel are anti Semites. If they are obsessively critical of Israel or hold Israel to higher standards than they would hold other Western Liberal Democracies, then my suspicions are seriously aroused. And that profile fits The Guardian as a propaganda organ of the extreme ‘progress’ left posing as a newspaper.

      If they are conspiracy people too, they are people that I would be very suspicious of.

      In short, you fit very well the profile of CiF ‘writers’. Also, why do you think that you are qualified to write an article about Syria anyway? However, the same question could be asked about so many of the CiF ‘writers’.

      Take my word for it. Good writers don’t write for CiF and the occasional good writers that we do see there, are mostly cross posted from somewhere else or syndicated writers.

      You have found the wrong people to make your complaints to.

      • Yes, NobblyStick. I am also picking up an immature, rather tetchy tone in Charlie’s article here – hardly professional. If he cannot deal gracefully with being disagreed with, why adopt that attitude?

        Is this another one who lacks the maturity to debate without losing his temper (like Mehdi Hasan, except “poor Mehdi” wouldn’t know how to debate at all)?

        Or perhaps it’s his writing style? I give you “..I really properly dislike Michael “bodyscanner” Chertoff…” What on earth? Can you “really improperly dislike” someone?

        What a mess!

        • At least we’re dealing with an expert Comedian(Skelton)… I hope that was his purpose all along: to give folks a roaringly good conniption, while reading his “analysis” re Syria.
          Now all that’s left is to hear about the “totally-didn’t-know-they-were-Jewish” ‘Neo-cons’ sabotaging his Olive groves, how Nano-Thermite had something to do with it, and his Guardian heraldry will be complete!

        • If he cannot deal , why adopt that attitude?

          What utter bullshit. Skelton was effectively called an an anti-Semite when there was zero evidence.

          He was slandered. It has nowt do with being “gracefully with being disagreed with” or any “attitude”.

          • Quite right. Smearing people in this way is really quite appalling, and the sooner Levick apologises the better. I can’t even find a single place where Michael Weiss is descried as Jewish. Where is Levick getting his info? And even if he were Jewish, it’s quite obvious that Skelton is not being anti-Semitic. Again, CiF Witch (Hunt) sees antisemitism everywhere. Quite damages the real fight against racism, imho.

    • “When did questioners become imbeciles?”
      This is the question Mr. Skelton should surely be investigating. But if he did people might not think he’s “cool.” What a dilemma!

    • The first question should be why Mr. Skelton, a self-professed Oliver tree cultivator, and comedian, gets to write on Syria …

      No. The first question should be by Mr. Skelton was wrongly accused of being anti-Semitic – just because he happens to be left-wing.

      Not that that’s of any importance to the likes of you, of course.

  2. Kudos to Adam for allowing right of reply. However…

    Unfortunately, CS outlines what is a common theme on CiFWatch – if Jews are being criticised, it must be *because* they are Jews, not because they are c-words, as CS puts it.

    The wonderful fantasy of uber-prevalent anti-Semitism in every criticism of someone who happens to be Jewish is what it is – a psychosis.

    CS also further illustrates the endemic abuse of anti-Semitism to shield Israel from criticism. Now, I wonder if anything approximating retraction/apology will ensue.

    • I doubt it. The original Cif Witch (Hunt) piece was a standard practice hatchet job. They tend not to offer apologies.

      • OK Sanity. Can you link us to any CiF article where there are apologies to the offence caused to Jews/Israel, apart from the offensive piece where Chris Elliott admits that CiF may not have got the balance quite right…?

        Admit it. It would take about a week’s worth of CiF articles at least to apologise for all the lies and insults to intelligence spewed out by the Islamists invited to write there.

    • I can’t understand the logic behind the fact that some of the Jew-baiters on this website choose Jewish names like Avram and Benyamin? Please explain it to me. (The other one on this thread I understand – it must be some kind of self irony calling him/herself sanity.)

        • For everyone reading your posts this is evident. You hate Israel – the Jewish state, you praise here every possible enemies of them and you have the gall to wish here for the posters who are obviously Christians, atheists, atheist or religious Jews a happy Ramadan. (It must be your sense of humour – knowing that this is the period when the holy martyrs prefer to kill Jews.

          • That sounds pretty much like racism to me. Being Muslim and wishing everyone a happy Ramadan is an act of racism against Jews! Sounds like you are the racist prick.

            • I didn’t know that Muslims are a race, I mistakenly tought that they belong to a certain religion and culture. My mistake sanity…

              • |s I said, racist prick. Islam is simply a proxy hate for brown people. Race hate against brown people is quite prevalent in Hungary. You’ve exported it to Israel, too. Racist prick. Perhaps you can tell us what you think of Sudanese refugees, too?

                • Are all Muslims, “Brown People” :O?
                  What about Muslim Albanians, Macedonians, Turks & Bosnians, are they brown too?
                  Sounds like you’re the racist prick here…

                • Mr insane asshole half of my family are “brown” people. And speaking about Sudanese refugees (I fully support their being here in Israel and find the government’s policy regarding their expulsion very stupid and damaging) would you please tell us ignorants what the word “avid” means in the holy language of the prophet? Not slave? And the same time “black person”? Maybe would you inform us about the rampant racism against the Roma people in every Muslim country and community?
                  And you are correct – hate against brown people and Jews is common in Hungary (in all of Europe). One of the reason that I left it for good. Not like you enjoying the climate of xenophobia and antisemitism up there.

                • FYI sanity you are disgusting and despicable ignorant who without knowing about me anything simply because you don’t have any reasonable counterargument calls me a racist.

                  Some of my best friends are Jews!!!!! Nice argument.

                  The dumbest crap I read from you until now and it means a lot.
                  And while I have many dark skinned family members and friends none of them are Muslims.

                • YOu spend all your time on this site calling other people racist. If you can’t take a dose of your own medicine, then why not just quit and fester with your prejudices elsewhere.

                • No sanity I spend time here to point out that you and your comrades are racists and not everyone else. But I base my opinion reading your posts, containing nothing else but anti-Israel propaganda and absolutely fact-free ignorant attacks against Israel and its Jewish population.

                  If you don’t live in Europe, and you are Muslim then maybe you are able to disclose your country where obviosly there is nothing negative so you must waste your time on blogs and ranting about Israel. Are you a Lebanese where aliens working as slaves and Palestinians are treated like dirt? Maybe do you live in Syria – a proud member of the UNHRC? Don’t tell me Iran…Don’t be shy let me know I want to be jelaous of your obviously perfect place the shining example of gender equality, free speech and democracy?

                • I never said I was a Muslim. As it happens I’m not. When you assume, you make an ass out of u and me.

                • Sanity if you are a liar you should have a memory span more than seven hours:
                  It started with your post:

                  Ramadan kareem everyone!

                  My reaction:

                  ,,,and you have the gall to wish here for the posters who are obviously Christians, atheists, atheist or religious Jews a happy Ramadan. (It must be your sense of humour – knowing that this is the period when the holy martyrs prefer to kill Jews.

                  Your answer:

                  That sounds pretty much like racism to me. Being Muslim and wishing everyone a happy Ramadan is an act of racism against Jews! Sounds like you are the racist prick

                  And now you say I never said I was a Muslim.

                  Why I’m not surprised realising (again) that antisemite ignorants are dumb liars too?

                • on what basis do you say i’m an anti-Semite? That’s a lie if I ever I heard one. Go ahead and prove it or retract before you get a libel letter through your letterbox.

                • “Some of my best friends are Jews!!!!! Nice argument.”

                  Is that the one you’re using today, Oh great insane one!

                • “Islam is simply a proxy hate for brown people…”

                  Sez who, other than the bonkers CiF?

                  You are doing it again, aren’t you? Stating your opinion as if it were fact!

                  Don’t you realise it?

                  An aside, would you like to elaborate here for the nice ladies and gentlemen who Islam loves?

                • nb: this comment by snigger is Islamophobic. Levick, time to root out the racists on this site.

          • Please provide evidence of:
            #1: my hatred for Israel – the Jewish state
            #2: praise I have given to enemies of Israel

            Please also define in no more than two sentences what an ‘enemy of Israel’ is.

            Most people are happy to be wished a Happy Ramadan, in the spirit of reconciliation. If you think this is a provokation, then you are a bigot.

            I’m a little disappointed that there wasn’t a Ramadan Kareem post from CiFWitch(Hunt), to be honest.

    • Avram, almost every CiF article reflects an underlying mindset. Even the Guardian house Jews feel somehow compelled to stand up for Islamists, which is the mirror image of that mindset. I think that our Charlie protests too much

  3. I like that military approach:
    “CiFWatch HQ” – maybe he fears retaliatory measures. :-)
    But earnestly, the pick of persons by Skelton is at least strange, what a coincidence that he only takes aim at people with Jewish background, in all unknowing innocence.
    And he never heard of Perle`s background? Hmmm ….

    • Have you not read the piece? The people he ‘takes aim’ at are overwhelmingly Syrian Arabs.

      Please refer to Avram’s comment above before making such a fool of yourself again.

              • I, for one, am still waiting for an explanation, how these people:
                James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Joshua Muravchick, and Richard Perle, Ross, Michael Weiss, have metamorphosed into Syrian Arabs.
                It better be a good one.

                • If you read the article, you’d notice that Michael Weiss (who I have not seen any evidence that he’s Jewish by the way) is one of six people taken to task in the article: Radwan Ziadeh, Hamza Fakher, Rami Abdulrahman, Ausama Monajed and Bassma Kodmani. One out of six is supposedly Jewish. What a racist!

                  Now, please do start talking sense, or please self-censor.

                • Who said anything about Jewish?
                  You said, that nearly all those he mentioned are “Syrian Arabs”…
                  I asked whether these, James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, William Kristol, Robert Kagan, Joshua Muravchick, and Richard Perle, Ross, Michael Weiss, which outweigh in quantity all those you mentioned, are those elusive “Syrian Arabs”?
                  I am looking forward to an entertaining response.
                  Spin, baby, Spin!

                • Yes, these people each get a name check. Read the article and you’ll see that he devotes paragraphs to each of the individuals I mentioned. It is you who are spinning.

                  Now, please provide citation for Michael Weiss being Jewish. Somebody, please. He may well be, but I have yet to see a citation.

                • If you had actually bothered to read past the paragraph headings, you would’ve noticed that he hardly addresses any of the individuals he inscribes in bold, but keeps drudging up the “shady” ‘neo-cons’, trusts, funds, that apparently surround them.
                  But I guess asking how my list, including now, Karl Rove, Brent Stowcroft, The Lord Kerr, Henry Kissinger, George Soros, Charles Grant, &c, are all suddenly Syrian Arabs, makes me, in your demented view, a racist prick.
                  Well, coming from you, I’ll wear that epithet as a badge of honor.

                • ‘Now, please provide citation for Michael Weiss being Jewish. Somebody, please. He may well be, but I have yet to see a citation.’

                • Your reply to this is ridiculous. Again, shows you haven’t read the piece. I would suggest you do. People like Ausama Monajed are nuts. He’s even been kicked out of the SNC. But you don’t care, because that would get in the way of your psychotic brown-hating religioethnonationalism.

                • Wow… “religioethnonationalism”; did you conjure that up all by yourself, did your mommy have to help you to drum up idiotic neologisms?
                  As for “Brown-hating”… no respite(typical) on how Turks, Macedonians, Albanians, Bosniacs, Serbs, &c, who are Muslims, are not Brown?

                • “religioethnonationalism”
                  OMG sencar where was the nurse when you dreamt this New Age bullshit up?

                • I apologise sencar, it was your pathological liar comrade sanity. Both of you are so funny sometimes very hard to see the difference. But Mr. Levick must say to both of you a huge thanks for voluntarily proving who are the so called “anti-Zionist” human right champions and for making a huge jump in the number of clicks on this blog.

      • “Overwhelmingly???”
        Another one who is so busy correcting the Arabic of others that he can’t write correct English.

        Are those Syrians Arabs “underwhelmingly” anything?

    • “And he never heard of Perle`s background? Hmmm ….”

      Oh, I don’t know…he seems so ignorant in so many ways.

  4. Fair play to you for giving him right of reply.

    I see from another of his articles that some “dodgy prawns” made him ill once. Convert, Charlie, convert!
    ;)

  5. Let me get this right: he know Seinfeld and Allen are Jews but, as a commentator on Middle Eastern affairs, he has NO IDEA that Dennis Ross is Jewish? Really?

    • As per below:

      Is it conceivable that he wouldn’t research Mr Ross’s religion on Wikipedia because he didn’t care? Would you research the religion of everyone you were writing about? What does that say about you?

      As I wrote earlier: psychosis.

      • Are you so dumb that writing about a partly religious political conflict you wouldn’t check the the religious affiliation of the players? Wonderful.

        • Perhaps some people are more interested in substance? It’s just a thought.

          I’m trying to think back, I don’t recall any time I’ve ever researched the religion of anyone I was writing about. I honestly don’t think I have. I may have made assumptions before, but if I didn’t know, I wouldn’t research it.

          If I was going to criticise someone, would I check first to see if they were Jewish? No, of course not.

          Seems like this reply from CS has shone some light on a peculiar fascination on CifWatch with religion, ethnicity and Jewishness. Does Adam research the religion of everyone he writes about?

          Fascinating stuff.

          • This only shows the value and intellectual depth of your writings dubi. Using sources critically, evaluating motives of political, religious players you are not interested in their religious and/or national affiliation. A real international human right expert’s way of thinking…

            • Are you suggesting that Mr Ross’s Jewishness is a key component in his decision making? Sounds like you could be flirting with anti-Semitism here. Tread carefully.

              • Dubi your understang abilities are seriously damaged. While his/her national/racial/ethnic/religious affiliation would influence the decisions and thinking of every person I never said that they are key components. But I’m really appreciate that you are here to protact the Jews against antisemites like me…

                • Funny how some of the Israelis on this site take on names suggesting they are from European countries, like Hungary! Can someone please explain it to me?

                • I seriously doubt that my explanation will be understood by you so I will try it on your level:
                  I’ ve born and grew up in Hungary and I have a heavy Hungarian accent, so my acquaintes are calling me “פטר ההונגארי” (Peter the Hungarian) in order to tell me apart from other Peters. My Hungarian last name is unpronouncable by Hebrew speakers. And for your education, I’m very proud of my Hungarian origin, culture, language and probably never would leave this country without the rebirth of the rampant government supported antisemitism in this pearl of the European Community – your home sanity. But please continue to busy yourself with meddling in Israeli affairs, in your house everything is in order.

                • Don’t worry cba this is an absolutely acceptable word even it can be used at one of the “polite dinner parties” frequented by sencar or sanity don’t remember wich one of these two anti-Zionist champions here.

                • Same happened with my happy Ramamdan posting. More amusingly, one person even voted against my Shabat Shalom posting. Intellectually and morally deficient, I would say.

                • “You’re starting to sound like an Israel-Firster.”

                  You’re starting to sound like Dubi. Are you?

            • I am keen to get an answer to this – does Adam research the religion of everyone he writes about?

              Can you list the religions of the CiF staff? Perhaps we can start there. Then when we have reduced everyone to an adherent of a faith, we’ll really understand them all better.

              Very, VERY odd.

          • Fascinating, this new Anti-semitism. It clearly is amalgameting old one with left elements, for example to psychologize and reduce Jews to psychiatric patients who only believe that they are harassed. A heritage of 68ers?
            Fascinating, just after the terror attacks at Burgas and Toulouse.

            • Speaking of that period , there was a great program on German ZDF tv about the German left wing terror connection and Al Fatah around 1970. Looks like West German left wing terror fire bombed the old peoples home of the Jewish community in Munich in 1970 murdering seven people on Shabbat. The German terrorists got their traing in Jordan with Palestinian terrorists. As a thank you a Herr Kunzelmann who sided with the Arabs decided to ,cure’ Germany’s left of their philosemitism. He is quoted with the words ” we have to liquidate humanism “. 1970 was the year when Palestinans started to bomb airliners across Europe. El Al, Swiss Air 330, Austrian….the fact that the airline was flying to Israel was enough to detonate a bomb on the plane…..looks like nothing has changed.

              • It were RAF and Bewegung 2.Juni which led to the selction at Entebbe. To my knowledge the training camps were in Lebanon.

                On the other side the Arab organisations also had (?) good relations to German right extremists. New leads were published, connecting German right extremists to the Munich massacre 1972.

            • It clearly is amalgameting old one with left elements, for example to psychologize and reduce Jews to psychiatric patients who only believe that they are harassed.

              Incredible. Skelton rubbishes claims of anti-Semitism – and you post this bollocks in response! And the usual monkeys give it the thumbs up.

              Did you even bother to read his response??

              OK. You don’t like leftwingers – like most BTL posters here. Just be honest about that instead of posting stupid statements about the left.

          • Excellent question.

            Incidentally, I’ve done a bit of research myself, and I can’t find any reference to Michael Weiss being Jewish. Can someone point me to a reference?

            • So, this whole thing is based on one person (Michael Weiss) whose ethnicity is still a mystery and another who is Jewish on only one side, and has a Scottish name, and half the people here only discovered he was Jewsih recently. Another amazing scoop by CiF Witch (Hunt)!!!!

              Levick, time to apologise?

          • “Perhaps some people are more interested in substance? It’s just a thought.”
            Perhaps you should take it to heart. I could open new worlds to you.

          • Avram,
            This is nonsense. The Left Loves to point out that many neo-cons and other advisers ( to Obama/ Bill Clinton ) are Jewish. It is a constant reminder about all players who are pro Israel and Jewish, some have even served in the IDF as US citizens. To write that or think the opposite is ignorant and has no part in reality.
            Also, the Left loves to remind all that Judith Butler is a Hebrew shielding her from criticism. Tony Kutcher and many others. Butler loves to emphasize her Jewish upbringing and early exposure to Martin Buber, again in an attempt to bestow her with Jewish credentials.

            About not knowing that Dennis Ross is Jewish. One either has never read anything serious about the man, or you generally have a very bad picture of some of the most important players in that field. Henry Kissinger is Jewish too. But I have to assume you did not know that either. :)

            • I didn’t know Dennis Ross was Jewish until quite recently. He doesn’t have a particularly Jewish name. Newspaper reports on his political activities don’t normally mention his religion (they’d probably be accused of antisemitism if they did). It is thus quite easy to take an intelligent interest in foreign affairs and to know something of Ross’ professional life without even thinking he might be Jewish.

              Of course once the question is raised it’s easy enough to look up a Wiki biography, but somehow that’s not something I (or most normal people I suspect) would usually do. Some CifWatchers look for antisemitism everywhere; comments like yours, Daniel, are just another example of this..

              • ‘ It is thus quite easy to take an intelligent interest in foreign affairs and to know something of Ross’ professional life without even thinking he might be Jewish. ‘

                I am afraid to take an intelligent interest in foreign affairs is not good enough. This half baked approach to something as complex as the Middle East Conflict usually spells disaster. To join in on the ‘good people’ tribal onanism of the Left does not get you much mileage.
                Amongst many misunderstandings is the ignorance about Hebrew history and culture and the lack therefor of being able to accord it’s appropriate place in the dynamic. This can only be truly understood in Israel. What would also be a plus is to be fully aware of the Hebrew contribution and the pain within diaspora cultures. For that an intelligent interest wouldn’t hack it. This is more than a Guardian read and reading a book by Norman Finkelstein.

                The fact that many people do not understand when they are being antisemitic is the same when people think they are not racist because they cheer for a colored soccer player. For some strange reason the Left sees racism everywhere yet is often blind on the antisemitism eye.

                This double standard manifests itself in the Lefts obsession with Israel. How one can feel so passionately about the Palestinans and fail to act when 300.000 human beings are slaughtered in Darfur is beyond me. Or failing to make the 45.000 dead Kurds a subject of discussion.

                • “I am afraid to take an intelligent interest in foreign affairs is not good enough.”
                  “This can only be truly understood in Israel”

                  This is dangerous stuff. An “intelligent interest” is always a good starting point when approaching any topic. Of course further study will bring a deeper understanding but to suggest that only people of a particular ethnic origin or national location can ‘truly’ understand is to take an anti-intellectual and essentially racist position.

                • to sencar, you have no right to say what is or is not a good starting point in approaching any topic. You’re a follower of the not-so-great Greg Philo, so that rules you out.

              • Sencar,
                “He doesn’t have a particularly Jewish name. ”
                Yeah! He didn’t have a big nose, coulda fooled me!
                Or
                He didn’t sound Black on the phone. Yes, his English is perfect.

                • Why are people saying that Weiss is Jewish? I can’t find a reference to that except on CiF Witch (Hunt).

                • Daniel, it was the original post together with several comments. including your own, that imply we should all know that Ross is Jewish. Most of us don’t even think about the ethnic/religious origin of politicians most of the time, as several comments have pointed out. Some names do give a clue as to Jewish origin and it would be silly to deny or ignore this. Your point about ‘big noses’ is irrelevant nonsense and just adds to the evidence of your paranoia on this subject.

              • sencar, you being a “researcher” and all, I would’ve thought that Wiki was just your thing.

                And how would you know what “most normal ” would usually do?

      • I tend to agree with you dubi here. Jews after thousands of years of persecution and especially after the Holocaust must suffer some kind of psychosis and the Zionism the Jewish national liberation movement and the existence of Israel is the only vehicle to deliver them out of it. Maybe this is the reason that you hate them so much and it can explain your ferocious attacks against them.

      • “Psychosis”

        And you know this how?

        You yourself seem to me to be in the grip of a massive Oedipal rage-like reaction, in common with other Jews who expend so much energy hating Israel as a symbol of Judaism?

        I don’t hurl words like psychosis around easily and although you may have kinks, I doubt that you are psychotic. Just stuck at the Oedipal phase.

  6. It’s nice to know that Mr Skelton didn’t know beforehand that the scoundrels he picked were Jewish. But then it is rather worrying that the scoundrels he did pick turned out nearly all to be Jewish! Is he saying something like that not all Jews are villains but that, even if you were to pick a few villains randomly, they’d turn out to be Jews, so what’s your point, Adam? Oh, it’s all just so confusing…

    • This is simply not true. The ‘scoundrels’ he picked were nearly all Syrian Arabs. Get the facts right.

      • James Woolsey, Michael Chertoff, William Kristol, Robert Kagan , Joshua Muravchick, and Richard Perle, Ross, Michael Weiss- all of these are Syrian Arabs?
        Have the “Syrian Arabs” been informed yet, of this addition to their ranks?

    • Is he saying something like that not all Jews are villains but that, even if you were to pick a few villains randomly, they’d turn out to be Jews, so what’s your point, Adam?

      No. He is saying nothing of the kind.

      This whole thing is a non-issue.

  7. Fair doos Charlie. I think despite any differences in opinion over issues or expertise etc, assuming good faith it is clear from this piece that while The Guardian is rife with antisemitism, this particular instance is not an example of it.

    There is a blurry line for when something becomes antisemtisim, and due to the huge amount of it sweeping the world at the moment (along with denials of said antisemtism), it is possible that someone gets unfairly maligned.

    That said, regardless of what you think of Dennis Ross as a person (i’m no fan), it is extremely common knowledge that Dennis Ross is Jewish… it seems unlikely that he would be ethnically undefined…

    • Well done, Steven. The first person on this thread to take a break from blindly supporting “us” against “them” and to genuinely look at the matter on its own merits. A lesson we all could learn.

    • it is extremely common knowledge that Dennis Ross is Jewish

      I knew about the bloke for years without knowing that. So Charlie’s plea is perfectly credible.

      • I agree with you on this pretz, GoonerEll, and Steven.
        I didn’t always know Ross was jewish.
        Hopefully Mr. Skelton will take a harder look at the publication he wrote his piece for to discover why his piece could cause the reaction it did, rather than dismiss the reaction.
        I would also posit that the names of some jewish neocons are bandied about with more prominence by certain conspiracy theorists precisely because they are jewish.
        I should say I’m weighing in on this having never read Skelton’s original article, and am interested in seeing a comment or rebuttal from Adam.

        • O.K. I’ve gone and read some of Skelton’s stuff. He’s clearly an amateur, and a bit of a nut job.

        • “Hopefully Mr. Skelton will take a harder look at the publication he wrote his piece for to discover why his piece could cause the reaction it did, rather than dismiss the reaction.”

          Isn’t the onus on the people who reacted hysterically, to see why the reacted the way they did?

          The notion that CS should consider the Jewishness of people he is criticising is a peculiar proposition, especially considering that it resonates with the perceived anti-Semitic suggestion of dual loyalty.

          • “The notion that CS should consider the Jewishness of people he is criticising is a peculiar proposition, especially considering that it resonates with the perceived anti-Semitic suggestion of dual loyalty.”

            I made no such suggestion.

          • Oooh! A glimmer of good sense from Avram “Isn’t the onus on the people who reacted hysterically, to see why the (sic) reacted the way they did?”

            You mean, kind of like the Islamoloons who reacted hysterically to the cartoons and were “there, there’d” and excused rather than having the stupidity slapped out of them? That is just one example of the double standard you seem to be pointing up.

            Isn’t the onus on said Islamoloons to reflect on why they threw their teddies out of the pram? If not, why not?

      • Good to see you acknowledging your ignorance about the subject you are tirelessly posting about. In the Clinton years all of the world media writing about the I/P conflict discussed about a thousand times whether is it a right political move from Clinton to give the job of the US mediator between the Palestinians and Israelis to a Jew.

        • Good to see you acknowledging your ignorance about the subject you are tirelessly posting about. In the Clinton years all of the world media writing about the I/P conflict discussed about a thousand times whether is it a right political move from Clinton to give the job of the US mediator between the Palestinians and Israelis to a Jew.

          The media outlets I, at least, read about Ross in the 1990s did not mention the fact that he was Jewish.

          That’s not “ignorance”.

          But strange how you single me out – and not GoonerEll or Jeff!

  8. Is it conceivable that he wouldn’t research Mr Ross’s religion on Wikipedia because he didn’t care? Would you research the religion of everyone you were writing about? What does that say about you?

    As I wrote earlier: psychosis.

      • You can’t see thhe connection when it is staring in your face dubi. This is only natural.

    • “Is it conceivable that he wouldn’t research Mr Ross’s religion on Wikipedia because he didn’t care? Would you research the religion of everyone you were writing about? What does that say about you?”

      Once he found out that Ross is American, that right there, probably satisfied his conspiracy theorist’s appetite. No need for him to go further.

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  10. All else aside, I think to have only “discovered” Dennis Ross now, and that from a 2008 press release, pretty much disqualifies Skelton from writing about the Middle East. It displays a degree of ignorance about at least one of the principal figures in the endless negotiations over the last three decades in which Ross has been a principal player – perhaps it would be fair to say the principal player. Google throws up 5,040,000 references to him in 0.26 seconds, so getting to learn more about him should not be that arduous a task.

    Apart from that, the others he mentions form a laundry list of extremely well-known Washington figures. One could compile a similar list if one wanted to record who attended a concert at the Kennedy Center on a particular evening.

    I suggest Skelton heads to a library for a year or two and hits the books there to bone up on Middle Eastern politics before he wastes paper or pixels on more nonsense writing about topics of which he is clearly ignorant.

    (By the way, Ross is Jewish on his mother’s side, and quite observantly so. He recently stepped down from the Obama administration where he was leading Iran affairs to spend less time traveling and more time with his family. )

    • All else aside, I think to have only “discovered” Dennis Ross now, and that from a 2008 press release, pretty much disqualifies Skelton from writing about the Middle East.

      Hang on. Charlie states quite clearly that it was merely Ross’s “ethnic background” that he discovered only recently – not the man as such.

      What on earth are you talking about?

      It displays a degree of ignorance about at least one of the principal figures in the endless negotiations over the last three decades in which Ross has been a principal player … I suggest Skelton heads to a library for a year or two and hits the books there to bone up on Middle Eastern politics before he wastes paper or pixels on more nonsense writing about topics of which he is clearly ignorant.

      What a bizarre little rant – based on a complete misinterpretation of Charlie’s words!

    • He should resit his journalism qualification too.

      Or doesn’t the Groan require anything like that in the first place?

  11. Kudos to Adam for posting this reply – especially as it does rather make a nonsense of the CiFWatch article (which was, after all, a tad hysterical).

    • Sure, when that fellow chases after conspiracies and talks at conspiracy programs.

      In what psychological terms do you qualify that when you judge the article hysterical?

  12. I think he’s a crap journalist. He lacks professionalism, or is it de rigeur now to get professionally enraged rather than behave in a more mature manner if you are offered the right to reply?

      • No she ‘s an other self-declared journalist/writer called Soraya Sepahpour-Ulrich.
        But there is an other wonderful piece in the Guardian by an other “journalist” Paul Watson competing with Skelton’s pearl of wisdom: South Korea good, North Korea bad? Not a very useful outlook.

        According to this soccer-trainer (after a very unsuccesful carrier coaching in (soccer superpower) Micronesia and lately political commentator North Korea isn’t so bad at all. I don’t think that any sensible mainstram media would publish this kind of crap but the Guardian.

  13. I have been a commenter to CiF Watch almost from the first. Also from the first, I kept hearing that CiF thought that CiF Watch was beneath contempt except, of course, when one of its contributors chose to write for CiF Watch, and the resulting kerfuffle from CiF when it threatened not to invite that person to write for it again, made it look… well, stupid and overly defensive.

    The subtext of that behaviour was that CiF Watch was construed as a very real threat, and that CiF protested far too much subsequently, and particularly when it deleted all references to CiF Watch below the line.

    So now where are we?

    Charlie Skelton, “journalist”, actually rates CiF Watch’s influence enough to ask for the right of reply there! If CiF Watch was really the nonentity that CiF and its acolytes would have its readership believe, then why on earth should he feel the need to do that? (I wonder if he thought Adam would refuse and got a real shock when Adam accepted? That might account for the somewhat testy tone of this article).

    Could it be, brothers and sisters, that the Groan and CiF are far more nervous about CiF Watch than they would have us believe?

    Shabbat shalom to all, and particularly to sanity on the eve of Ramadan.

  14. That would depend, HairShirt, on whether he was writing on his own behalf or as a CiF contributor.

    But I agree that it proves that all of ‘em, whether or not they are comedians who write regularly for CiF, certainly take an inordinate interest in CiF Watch for people who believe that CiF Watch is not particularly important.

    • I have my reservations. Inclination to tin foil hattery means that he wants another platform and he’s been narcissistically injured enough to want to bash CiF Watch. Sometimes, the parsimonious explanation just doesn’t fit.

  15. If you are so ignorant about Middle Eastern politics that you didn’t know that Dennis Ross was Jewish or even who he was until 2008, then you shouldn’t be writing anything about the Middle East. If you didn’t know that Weiss was a Jewish last name then you must live under a rock.

    • But what if he doesn’t know that he is so ignorant? Seriously, CiF’s standards are so lamentably low that Charlie really must be unconsciously incompetent.

  16. What is sorely missing from this entire polemical escapade, are some basic irrefutable facts which should have been established long before this conversation was derailed into a shouting match.

    1. Jews comprise a much higher percentage of top government officials, than their share of the general populations.

    2. Jews are represented in the Neoconservative ranks far outnumbering their share of the general populations. (for too many reasons to dwell upon).

    3. For every one Neocon Jew, there are probably at least a dozen tree-hugging “give peace a chance” Jews (which of course makes the whole Jewish conspiracy idea laughable – Jews are by far the most politically heterogeneous minority in the US), however, any person opposed to the Neoconservative agenda, will inevitably be “guilty” of “singling out” Jews, simply for the inescapable fact that so many of them are of Jewish background.

    4. Is Charlie Skelton an anti-Semite? I don’t know, however, nothing in his (shameful excuse for political commentary) suggests that he is, except if one is so paranoid that he sees Jew baiting lurking under every stone, whether justified or not. Being a constant follower of the Zionist blogosphere, I am well aware of the resurgent anti-semitism that is plaguing both the Muslim world (overt and venomous), and its more subtle Western variants, however, one also has to concede that in such an atmosphere some people, like the CIFWatch contributor in question, are bound to draw the target after shooting the arrow.

    5. Judging by his credentials, Charlie Skelton is more qualified as a contributing author to InfoWars, than any serious paper (although, the Guardian seems to no longer be worthy of such a title anyway), something only further corroborated by the quality of his “analysis”. However, upon carefully re-reading his piece, I still find nothing in it to suggest any racial thread, except for the (previously) explained fact of Jewish prevalence among the political strain that he finds so despicable.

    • 1. You mean the USA or really everywhere as your term “general populations ” indicates?
      Which would be quite absurd.
      2. You mean the “well known” (whoever picked them) Neocons or do you have an empirical Study at hands?
      3. So you believe that Neocons are mainly Jews?? You have some empirical base or just media impressions?
      4. What refutes your suggestion is that he chases after conspiracies and it is unbelievable that a truther knows nothing about the Jewish background of the people he singles out.
      5. See points 2. and 3.

      • No fritz, I meant in god damn Papua New Guinea… Judging from your response you are both ignorant in what you are trying to argue about, and have a serious reading comprehension problem. (your objections to 2 & 3 respectively).
        And, no, you have refuted absolutely nothing, because the last time I checked, baseless insinuations don’t qualify as proof for anything (except for the poor quality of your reasoning faculties).

        Looks like the commenters here are equally guilty of zero tolerance for anyone who does not toe the party line. Any sign of challenging the accepted orthodoxy will relegate you to the enemy ranks, get your comments voted down and will result in the mandatory “refutation”, lest any impressionable minds get the wrong idea.

        • What has your ranting to do with the questions I asked?
          You obviously cannot answer. A pity as it would be quite easy to answer like to have no empirical base, but according the media .. and so on.

          • In fact it has everything and more to do with it, because your questions had a clearly dismissive undertone, otherwise, why would you ask such obviously nonsensical questions like the first one? The initial critique, as well as Skelton’s reply dealt solely with US Neoconservative politicians, public figures and thinkers. (Are you even familiar with any country besides the US and a handful of other Western countries with a Neoconservative contingency in high office, that you would raise such a question)? Any one even slightly versed in contemporary US and World politics would not waste his breath asking the obvious. Unless, that is, he is trying to be a cocky bastard, and pick at a typo to “discredit” the idea.

            Since it does look like you are both ignorant and lazy, here are some key Jewish Neoconservative figures for you:
            Irving Kristol – dubbed as the “godfather of neoconservatism”.
            Leo Strauss – Founder of a Neoconservative school of thought.
            Joe Lieberman – A very famous state senator.
            Paul Wolfowitz
            Richard Perle
            Scooter Libby
            Elliott Abrams
            Frank Gaffney
            Eliot A. Cohen
            Robert Kagan
            George Mosse
            Sidney Hook
            Nathan Glazer
            Bernard Lewis
            William Kristol
            Norman Podhoretz and his son.
            Irwin Stelzer
            Charles Krauthammer
            Daniel Pipes
            David Brooks
            David Frum
            Christopher Hitchens (arguable Neocon, but I’ll grant the benefit of the doubt).

            So except the Politicians, where Lieberman seems to be the sole one of Jewish background, the MAJORITY (not even a dominant minority, mind you), are Jews: Public intellectuals, Academics and Government officials. While compiling this list I was actually amazed at how many of the non-Jewish sounding surnames, turned out to be Jews as well, further proving my point.

            Finally, here is a quote from Wikipedia based on Alexander Bloom’s book “Prodigal sons: the New York intellectuals and their world “: Many neoconservatives had been on the left in the 1930s and 1940s, where they opposed Stalinism. After WWII, they continued to oppose Stalinism and to support democracy during the Cold War. Of these, many were emerged from Jewish intellectual milieu of New York City.

            In other words, most of the founding fathers, its principle thinkers and intellectuals (who are the main recipients of the leftist ire) are Jewish!

            As for the last point, while it is true that every Anti-Semite is a conspirator, not every conspirator is an Anti-Semite, although surely there is no denying that a strong positive correlation exists between the two. Still, the burden of proof rests on those accusing Skelton, since there is nothing in his article to suggest that he falls under that category.

            • “In fact it has everything and more to do with it, because your questions had a clearly dismissive undertone, otherwise, why would you ask such obviously nonsensical questions like the first one? The initial critique, as well as Skelton’s reply dealt solely with US Neoconservative politicians, public figures and thinkers. (Are you even familiar with any country besides the US and a handful of other Western countries with a Neoconservative contingency in high office, that you would raise such a question)? Any one even slightly versed in contemporary US and World politics would not waste his breath asking the obvious. Unless, that is, he is trying to be a cocky bastard, and pick at a typo to “discredit” the idea.”
              Strange that you cannot admit your fault but keep ranting, This makes your seriosity a bit questionable as you wrote the nonsense
              “1. Jews comprise a much higher percentage of top government officials, than their share of the general populations.”

              This is of course just an assumption, or even a belief?
              What would it indicate if Jews comprise a much lower percentage of low and middle government officials than their share of the general population?
              Top officials are still president, vice president and secretaries. How many Jews have been president, vice president or secretaries in the history of the USA?
              What about Black Americans in administrations?
              Do you have some statistics?

              It is still a problem of visibility I guess, an obsession with Jews. Maybe I am ignorant and lazy, but not that stupid not to know about the usage of the term “Neocon” when Jews are meant which you proved quite convincingly, bringing together people who do not pursue the same goals or ideas, but have a common origin.
              That gentile “Neocons” remain more or less unknown, although there are lends credibility to the thesis.
              But somheow funny and the usual platonic/gramscian delusion of postmodernists and conspiracy freaks that a not substantiated cabale of intellectuals are that influential, from behind, as the top positions are held by people like Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and alike.

            • To end that

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Bolshevism

              Now to your absurd list

              Leo Strauss, George Mosse, Bernard Lewis, Christopher Hitchens – are you serious?
              Strauss founded nothing, only one of your list attended his lectures, Paul Wolfowitz, but Susan Sontag, Allan Bloom and Richard Rorty did that, too. Are or were they Neocons? According to your thinking, yes – maybe you have a strange concept of causality and rationality?
              I won`t discuss the other three – it`s only absurd.

              “Many neoconservatives had been on the left in the 1930s and 1940s, where they opposed Stalinism. After WWII, they continued to oppose Stalinism and to support democracy during the Cold War. Of these, many were emerged from Jewish intellectual milieu of New York City.”
              Your list contains Norman Podhoretz, Sidney Hook and Irving Kristol who are the only ones of self confessed Neocons. All three had been leftists, but who else of your list? Where are the many??
              But Hook, the founder of the famous, sometimes ill-famed, Congress of Cultural Freedom, would have no idea what you are talking about.
              I would tell him, another self-empowered nonsense, don`t care.

              Politically Senator Jackson and other Cold War liberals were much more influential in shaping the political mind of government officials like Feith, Perle and Wolfowitz Not to forget Jeanne Kirpkatrick
              Wolfowitz, the only Strauss scholar of your faux school, was Yale Professor and protegé of Shultz, later of Cheney. He and Perle had something to say in foreign and military politics, but only if not getting in the way of the big shots.

              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Glazer
              Glazer has described himself as “indifferent” to the neoconservative label with which he is arguably most associated, and also remarked that it was an appellation not of his choosing

              Other leftists remain leftists, they didn`turn into democrats or conservatives.
              http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Howe

              That`s enough. I`m through with your sloppy research and short comings in logic and causality, making false deductions or following false generalisations.

              One on your thorny way to demythologize your mind from conspiracy, Jewish obsession and media labelling of simple minds
              Irwin Stelzer, Neoconservatism

              Anway, to miss Condelezza Rice, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Cheney and more who are much more important “Neocons”, the political Big Shots, but not of Jewish background, tells all.

              EOT

          • Just to add to my last comment:
            Your whole accusation relies on guilt by association, that while often dismissed out of hand, has, in fact, some merits and is usually indicative of a real trend. Having said that, it alone is not enough to establish guilt in any serious debate, let alone in a court of law. Are Thruthers more prone to being anti-Semites? a resounding Yes! Does that implicate Skelton as one? No.

            I would also like to recommend that you borrow Lynn’s “The Chosen People” from the closest library (it’s not really a book I’d recommend buying, although I have it purely for research related reasons) and by Slezkine’s “The Jewish Century” to broaden your horizons, and learn about the enormous Jewish prevalence in and contribution to (at times negative, but predominantly positive) every walk of life and discipline in the Western world. I would top it off by some good analysis of the rise of Russian Communism and the explanation for the high Jewish prevalence in their ranks, as well as other various ideological currents favoring gradual or revolutionary changes.

            • I have not the time to give you a proper answer to your first post, it will come tomorrow. Just one remark.
              A lot of them will protest if you label them neoconservative. The compilation looks exactly like your reproach, guilt by association.
              Maybe you should not search for a label, but for some common concepts, otherwise is just assembling individuals to a group as the media propagated it. And as anti-Zionists and other conspiracy seekers promote it
              All of them are well known but it remains unsubstantiated how influential they are and how homogenously they worked in the politics.
              Ad Truthers.
              I recommend Jonathan Kay`s Among the Truthers and Aaronovitch`s Vodoo Histories. Maybe you are ready to deepen your knowledge and learn more about the scene you are defending.
              And to maintain not to know the background of Perle, labelled Prince of Darkness, working since Reagan in various positions and one of the central figures of conspircy for the truthers, is simply unbelievable.

              Why do you bring up the topic of Russian communism remains all yours.
              But in that case you should study the history of the European left, beginning in the eighteenth century to understand the various developments and fractions.
              Maybe you want to get into the beginning of Der Bund der Kommunisten. There you won`t find many Jews if any taken aside Marx and Engels.
              However, concerning Russian communism you will be surprised by the history of the Narodniks, Mensheviks and Bolsheviks, the Popular Socialists and the Social-Revolutionaries. Maybe this will clarify something specific which darkens your sight at the moment.

              • Finally, a response worth responding to! I have read (and in fact own) both Among the Truthers and Voodoo Histories which are equally illuminating and entertaining reads. On that note I would also mention Shermer’s books.Understanding the conspiratorial mindset and its underlying psychology has long been a pet peeve of mine. I am intimately familiar with Truthers (and other conspiracy theorists) and need no deepening of knowledge in that sphere (not so much in others, though).

                With respect to my reproach, what better way do you suggest than? What other categories, besides the established ones, do you propose for labeling people’s ideological affinity? How do we deal with cases where it (pardon for the thuthers’ jargon) looks like a duck,walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, yet denies being one? (Like the case with J-Street, for example).

                Ultimately, Neoconservatism, as any other political ideology, is never a monolith and varies from one person to another. The best we can do is to rely on commonalities to group people with similar world views together, which is what the list from Wikipedia (that I quoted from) does.

                Skelton may have been disingenuous when he denied knowing the ethnicity of people like Perle, however, Perle is a rightfully one of the main intellectuals and ideologues of the Neoconservative movement, so leaving him out of the list would seem the odd thing to do, not including him. The same goes for Kristol.

                I brought up the topic of Russian communism as another example of Jewish prevalence in groups whose main aspirations are to actively facilitate change and “improve the world” (which sometimes achieves the exact opposite, as with Communism). Here is an interesting article on the subject of Jewish prevalence in Eastern European Communist ranks: http://www.volokh.com/2011/10/29/communism-and-the-jews/ (The blog’s name may prove slightly disconcerting for you, unless you are already familiar with it).

                • “I brought up the topic of Russian communism as another example of Jewish prevalence in groups whose main aspirations are to actively facilitate change and “improve the world” (which sometimes achieves the exact opposite, as with Communism)”

                  This is a simply wrong statement besides Jewish engagement being a historic phenomen in specific and different contexts.

                  It is quite easy to differ between prevalence and overrepresentation at certain moments which don`t last long.

                  The Grandfathers and Fathers of the European Left like Rousseau, Owen, Fourier, Robespierre, Danton, Marat, Buonarotti, Saint-Simon etc. were not Jews just in case some believe that the Left is a Jewish invention.
                  Jewish prevalence in the development of the French and British societies to modern societies and nation states at the end of the eighteenth century is exactly zero.
                  So you have to take the historical development of the broader societies in religion, economy and law into focus and then contextualize it,
                  so to speak of the nineteenth century and the emancipation of Jews in Europe which began with Napoleon, the code civile.
                  The engagement is easy to explain, as century long suppressed monority – not to forget the 1848 national and social revolutions for example where a lot of Jews were engaged without being in leading positions.
                  Actively change and improve – we have so many movements in the nineteenth century where Jews are “underrepresented”, the freemasons, carbonaris, Young Italy, Decabrists, Anarchists though there were some famous ones among the few.

                  In the second half of the nineteenth century the “visibility of Jews” in public life got big attention, which already indicated the failure of assimilation. The oscillation between Rothschild and Marx as the contemporary symbols of Jewish emancipation turned into negative personanlisations of broad developements, with the economic crisis, the downfall of liberalism, the rise of anti-Semitism and the evolution of a working class/mass.
                  In my brief synopsis which is omissing a lot, we can turn now to your prevalence.
                  No wonder you have to resort to the Russian communism which turned into one topic of the then new antisemitism ( but already in use by the conservative state elites and their intellectuals in a beginning racist form since the communist manifest, radicalized after the economic and morale crisis of liberalism and even more after WWI) of Jewish communism gained momentum and replacing the old anti-Judaims on a broad scale.
                  Maybe Jews were overrepresented to their ration int he population, but nor in their ratio of education, compared to the other nationalities,, but what about the Georgian Berija, Ordzhonikidze and Jughashvili at the top of this totalitarian regime? Would`nt you call the Georgian a bit overrepresentated at the top of this regime?

                  Fantastic that it is not associated at all with the historical POGROMS which took place in Russia, with the Black Hundred, the Protocols, the flight of many Russian and Polish (Poland was part of Russia, you should know that, if you want to get a grasp of the complexities which led to the Bloodlands) Jews to the USA. You know the film Heaven`s Gate, or the history of the Wobblies?
                  These pogroms was important motifs for the developing Zionism, many of the first immigrants to the Ottman empire in the seventies and eighties were Russian Jews, settled there with the help of Jewish funds.

                  At your volokh site I found an interesting sentence:
                  “Any movement that appeals to intellectuals will also tend to have a relatively high proportion of Jewish members.”

                  The many anti-Semitic movements attracted only few Jews, but a lot of intellectuals. We can go back to Voltaire and Kant, both full of anti-Judaistic sentiments, but intellectuals.

                  Interestingly the conspiracy movement of anti-Zionism attracts a lot of Jews, so for example your so called Neocon Chris Hitchens, which adds even more fraught of uncertainty to your list.

      • Thank you for your intelligent remarks without answering one point, please, don`t change.

      • IQ deficient? When will be the next crying session about personal abuse?
        True Fritz is relatively new here and maybe he is not familiar with your extraordianry intelligence, sense of humor and flippant arguments supported by facts, quotes and expert opinions.

        • You know this ranting about Neocons developed into a synonym Not the executive like Bush, Cheney or Rumsfeld are in the forefront, but people at second or third level who are commonly labelled Neocons although great differences among them. And, coincidently, .. – see above.

  17. Not wanting to be repetitive, but can someone please provide a source for the claim that Michael Weiss is Jewish?

      • I did. Can’t find anything. Not on HJS page. Not on Torygraph page. Not on Wikipedia. So come on, what’s the source, please, someone?

        • Ask the researcher sencar to help you.

          Or maybe better not….

          Hey, do you think that Weiss is part of another conspiracy theory to hide his Jewish identity from you?

          I wouldn’t be at all surprised…

          • No, but given that this whole thing is based on LEvick the bigot assuming that Skelton is racist becasue he cites two Jews on a particular point, and then it turns out that Weiss’s mother is not Jewish! So this is particularly hilarious! Shows what a bunch of idiots the bigots here are! Bigotry and idiocy, a potent mix!

  18. Please don pass this info to anybody.
    Our Secret World Council decided that in order to protect the security of the Bilderberg group – a very important component in our fight for world domination – on par only with the Freemasons, the Illuminati and AIPAC – Mr Skelton must be punished. He will be restricted by our secret agents masqueraded as sharks and swimming in the Thames to remain in the offices of the Guardian and every day must listen Rusbridger’s piano play for one hour and entertain Bella escorted by harriet and Debbie. Naturally his diet will be strictly restricted to food available in the Guardian veggie-green cantin. If we will see some improvement in his behaviour then his punishment will be reduced to 30 minutes a day – we acknowledge that this is a brutal and unusually cruel treatment of a human being.

  19. Out of curiosity, is this the first time anyone has taken this hate site seriously enough to ask for a right of reply! How many years have you been hate-mongering? Finally a reaction!!!! Briliiant, the hate-spewed rhetoric must have been worth since now one of the ‘comedians’ who writes occasionally for the G website is replying! CiF Witch (Hunt) is such a success!

    • Sanity before you continue your crap would you be so kind to comment on your lie regarding your assertion you being a muslim and some hours later denying it? A lapse of memory? An old habit?
      Or as you kind of language experts prefers to say was it a mistranslation?

      • The comment I made there was in the abstract. There is no personal pronoun. It was a hypothetical statement. As a non-native English speaker, it’s probably hard for you to understand these nuances. Better for you to see the world in black (or brown) and white.

        • Ah so – a mistranslation. You are an abstract and hypothetical Muslim but you never said that. I knew that a liar who forgets his lies will have some hypothetical abstraction.
          BTW your last laughable BS is a lie too. I wrote exactly that you insulted the readers personally with your Ramadan crap and your answer: being a Muslim…Yes I’m a non-native English speaker but I’m familiar with elementary logic.

          • Aren’t you just such a clever clogs! You’ve single-handedly dismantled all my arguments. I must now retreat to my cave to cry!

  20. Your kind of jew haters must feel home under their rocks so crawl back sanity now…
    And exactly as you say I singlehandedly dismantled all your crap sanity, but it wasn’t very hard really…

    • Your kind of jew haters must feel home under their rocks so crawl back sanity now…

      This is talking to who exactly?

  21. First wishing here
    “Ramadan kareem everyone!”
    just after the terror attack – cynicyal.

    Then complaining
    “That sounds pretty much like racism to me. Being Muslim and wishing everyone a happy Ramadan is an act of racism against Jews! Sounds like you are the racist prick”

    And now denying.

    I guess you have no idea of abstraction – as you expressed the wish which is not a hypothetical statement.
    But what do we want of mentally challenged?.

    • Actually, I wished everyone Ramadan kareem at the start of the holy month of Ramadan. I’m sorry it coincided with a terrorist attack, which I hope everyone condemns in the strongest possible terms, and I hope that people take to non-violent protest to show their disregard.

      The fact is I am not a Muslim (also why I wished everyone Shabat shalom) and I’m sorry that you think I told you I was. Not my intention, but since you aren’t native English speakers, it can be difficult to pick up nuance in foreign languages.

      Even if I had ‘lied’ about this matter, it of course doesn’t change the fact that you are racist pricks!

      • “I hope that people take to non-violent protest to show their disregard.”
        ‘Disregard’?!
        And you mock people whose native language is not English, that yours supposedly is?
        Is this the product of Non-European(as you claim) education?

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