French Islamist responsible for murder of Jews in Toulouse: Guardian blames anti-immigrant rhetoric


Jewish victims from Toulouse shooting: 30-year-old Jonathan Sandler, his sons Arieh, 5, and Gabriel, 4, and seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego

As French police continue to negotiate for the surrender of the man they suspect to be behind the killing of a rabbi and three children at a Jewish school in Toulouse on Monday (30-year-old Rabbi Jonathan Sandler, his children Gabriel, 4, and Arieh, 5, and the daughter of the school’s principal, seven-year-old Miriam Monsonego), we now know a few things. 

  • The suspect is a French Muslim named Mohammed Merah, and is a Jihadist who French authorities believe is affiliated with Al Qaeda.
  • Merah allegedly spoke to French journalist  Ebba Kalondo last night, cooly admitting he was the shooter, and said he’d done it in revenge for the law banning the wearing of the headscarf and also for France’s involvement in the war in Afghanistan and to protest about the situation in Palestine. The journalist added:

He wasn’t in the least bit agitated or nervous or excited; just very, very calm and convinced about what he was saying, and very polite. He said this was only the beginning and that there would be more attacks, [adding]I’ll either go to prison with me head held high or die with a smile on my face.'”

  • Merah spent time in Afghanistan participating in terrorist acts against U.S. and British forces, and escaped from an Afghan jail in 2008 after having been sentenced to three years for carrying bomb-making equipment. He was among several hundred prisoners who escaped in a Taliban assault on the jail.
  • The suspect trained with Pakistani Taliban militants before going to Afghanistan to fight with the insurgents.

The Guardian’s Live Blog on the unfolding drama, as with so much of what passes for reporting on issues relating to the threat posed by radical Islam, are filtered through their egregiously skewed ideological blinders.

Who’s to blame? The murderer? Al-Qaeda? Racial Islam? No, Anti-immigrant rhetoric from Sarkozy.

Live Blog dispatch from7.57am:

As Reuters points out, immigration and Islam have been major themes of the election campaign as Sarkozy tries to woo supporters of the far-right leader Marine Le Pen. Analysts say the shootings could transform the election debate and possibly tone down the populist rhetoric. [emphasis added]

This is more than obscene. It’s also nonsensical.

We’re to believe that an al-Qaeda trained terrorist shot Jewish children in cold blood because of the alleged anti-immigrant, populist rhetoric of the French Presidential campaign?!  

Further, it’s as if they’re bending over backwards to avoid the more intuitive conclusion: The brutal killing of innocent Jews by a French Islamist vindicates the concerns of Sarkozy and others about the dangers of radicalization, and the failure of such citizens to assimilate into society.

The funeral for the victims held this morning in Jerusalem for the French Jewish victims: Reporter Phoebe Greenwood emphasizes Jewish calls for vengeance:

Dispatch from 10.09am, from Greenwood:

There was a long list of very emotional speakers from both France and Israel and all have spoken with deep emotion about the shootings in Toulouse. The chief rabbi broke down in tears as he vowed that there would be vengeance for their deaths; that God will avenge their deaths… [emphasis added]

Dispatch from 9.25am:

One Israeli official has described the attack as the act of “wild animals made crazy by their hatred”

The Jewish people face wild and insatiable animals, wild animals made crazy by their hatred,” the speaker of parliament, Reuben Rivlin, said in a eulogy at the burial site.

So, even at the funeral, where the unimaginable grief of the victims’ family and friends must have been suffocating, the Guardian decided to focus on the theme of Jewish vengeance, and the remark by one Israeli official characterizing those responsible for the crime as “wild animals”. 

More broadly, as Barry Rubin observed about the reaction to the Toulouse murders:

What a tragic, evil joke. An [Islamist] shooter in the beautiful, almost magical, city of Toulouse, France, murders three Jewish children and a teacher in front of their school. Various VIPs issue statements about how terrible is this deed, how unspeakable.

And yet at that very moment, the next round of murders, the next slanderous and inciting antisemitic lies are being perpetrated by respectable people and institutions. There is no real soul-searching, no true effort to do better, no serious examination about how the anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hysteria is paving the way to murder… [emphasis added]

During the attack at the Jewish school, when the suspect’s 9mm weapon jammed he switched to a .45-calibre gun, entered the school gates and chased children as they fled for cover. He reportedly cornered eight-year old Miriam, the daughter of the school principal, Yaacov Monsonego (the blond haired girl in the photo above).

He then put the gun to her and fired a bullet through her head.

Though more Guardian reports on the shooting will be forthcoming, we can can be certain that the vital and unmistakable moral lessons of such incomprehensible evil – an extremist antisemitic ideology which views even Jewish children as legitimate targets – will not be included in their coverage.  

Such painfully obvious truths about the danger posed by Islamic antisemitism are simply not part of the narrative. 

The mother mourns during the joint funeral service in Jerusalem for victims of Monday's shooting in Toulouse


57 comments on “French Islamist responsible for murder of Jews in Toulouse: Guardian blames anti-immigrant rhetoric

  1. Phoebe Greenwood, if she had any decency, would have stayed away from the funeral. Her type of reporting and the Guardian’s role in anti-israeli agitation are at the heart of this tragedy.

    • Hear hear, AKUS

      But the Phoebe Greenwoods of this world are not possessed of insight or conscience. That lack of conscience is a vital pre-requisite of the Guardian “journalist” and Guardianistas generally

  2. It seems that fate, once again, conspires to test us. And in the most brutal way.

    Almost exactly 1 year ago, I wrote an article comparing two horrific slaughters, specifically the media coverage of them. One family in Itamar, and a group of children in Gaza. One of the things I noted last year was that everyone knew the names of the Fogel family. The media never bothered to mention the names of those slaughtered in Gaza. They were nameless.

    This year, we see another horrific slaughter of Jews at the hands of a Muslim monster. And a horrific slaughter of Muslims at the hands of an American.

    Again, I’m struck by the fact that the victims of the American slaughterer are anonymous. No one knows or cares who they were. We know all about the slaughterer of course, the media narratives are full of mitigation for this poor man, but his victims are a footnote.

    And, like last year, pundits like Adam are lightening fast to generalise beyond the specific and write about “the danger posed by Islamic antisemitism. ” but no one seems to be talking about the danger posed by American or western anti-Muslim racism.

    I have 5 children under the age of 8, and it sickens me to think that there are people in this world that would be capable of hurting them. It also sickens me that there are people (and make no mistake, this is happening right now) who will seek to utilise the victims of such heinous crimes to justify their warped ideologies.

    I suspect I’ll end up writing another article on it, although neither my heart nor my stomach are in it.

      • Yes, criticising media coverage on this blog, what was I thinking?

        Specifically, I was drawing attention to the gross disparity between how massacres of Jewish children are treated by the corporate media compared with how massacres of Muslim children are treated by the same media.

        We rightly view the killing of Jewish children as despicable. If we could only view the massacring of Muslim children in the same way, maybe we wouldn’t be quite so keen to have so many bombs dropped on them.

        • The children in Gaza were NOT deliberately murdered by Israel. They were accidentally casualties of war. That is why they are treated differently by the newspapers than the French children (who WERE deliberately murdered), the same way the murder of Afghans by Sgt. Bales was treated differently than children accidentally killed in a drone stroke.

          Get it?

          • There’s a certain obedience in your approach. If I fire a highly inaccurate weapon into a densely populated civilian area, can I legitimately claim it was an “accident” that civilians got killed?

            • If you are making the claim civilians were deliberately targeted by Israel, let’s see some actual evidence rather than rhetoric.

            • The difference between Israel and Hamas in Gaza is that Israel will only target terrorists using highly sophisticated equipment to avoid hurting civilians. Hamas just sends rockets continually into Israel to kill, maim and destroy. Hamas uses little children as suicide bombers and will remotely detonate the bomb and they are targeting Israeli children. Hamas uses Moslems who have mental disabilities. Hamas hides in the the civilian population. When Israel warned the population about Cast Lead (unusual for anyone to warn of an incursion) Hamas refused to allow them to leave and refused them access to shelters.

              As for the children that @dubitante mentions, I have regularly seen news items, such as when a suicide bomber blew up a school bus, about 20 secs covered the incident but several minutes covered a boy accidentally hurt by a rubber bullet (probably held into the path by his mother, that is common). As the Fogels were specifially mentioned by @dubitante, the news channels did not mention the massacre initially because there was something of far more interest about the itinerant Arabs (you know them as Palestinians but as that country/language/society has never existed, they were merely those in the country who worked for the British at the time).

              “We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us” – Golda Meir.

    • I tend to agree with you about the American rampage.
      I also found it bizare that no mention of names was made.

      Never the less, Gaza was a war zone at the time and is a very unstable area due to ongoing conflict.

      France is not.

      Buenos Aires, like wise, is not.

      Get my drift?

      • “Never the less, Gaza was a war zone at the time and is a very unstable area due to ongoing conflict.”

        The West Bank is also a conflict zone. And yet the vast disparity in media coverage remained after the slaughter of the Fogel family compared with the slaughter of the kids in Gaza.

  3. @dubitante, you make several specious comparisons, and although I assume your regret to be genuine, for you to compare the heinous, premeditated murders of Jews and Jewish children with the unfortunate unpremeditated and regrettable deaths of children in Gaza (who meant so little to their own parents that they were left in danger, and exposed willingly to hatred which would probably result in their own deaths when they got older, and who meant even less to Hamas who often used them as human shields) is egregiously nasty even for you.

    So stop making these false comparisons. The death of any child is a tragedy but this does not prevent Islamists from using the deaths of Muslim children in Gaza and elsewhere to serve their own murderous propaganda ends.

    • “premeditated murders of Jews and Jewish children with the unfortunate unpremeditated and regrettable deaths of children in Gaza”

      I agree that the slaughter of the children in Gaza was not premeditated. For it to have been premeditated, the person(s) responsible would have had to have given them a second’s thought. Firing a highly inaccurate weapon into a densely packed civilian area does not demonstrate premeditation. It demonstrates complete indifference as to whether a child lives or dies. The result is the same.

      The slaughter of 16 Muslims by an American, or course, WAS premeditated.

      I’m sure that we can agree that using the deaths of children for propaganda, regardless of the faith or ethnicity of the children involved, is despicable.

      • You say Dubi: “I agree that the slaughter of the children in Gaza was not premeditated. For it to have been premeditated, the person(s) responsible would have had to have given them a second’s thought. Firing a highly inaccurate weapon into a densely packed civilian area does not demonstrate premeditation. It demonstrates complete indifference as to whether a child lives or dies. The result is the same. ”

        You are complete idiot Dubi. Premeditated refers to intentional acts. Unpremeditated, is the absence of mens rea to commit a crime.You were implying recklessnes. Recklessnss (not giving it any thought) IS premeditated killing and is treated as such in law.Yes, firing rockets into cities is premeditated however innacurate. Firing back to stop it ,is not

        In the case of the Toulouse premeditated brainwashed murderer, it was cold blooded premeditaed murder. Killing a child at point-blank range is hardly a mistake is it Dubi, first or second thoughts.?

        Stick to the topic. Gaza had to do with this. He had it in for Jews. Period.

        • “Premeditated refers to intentional acts. Unpremeditated, is the absence of mens rea to commit a crime.You were implying recklessnes. Recklessnss (not giving it any thought) IS premeditated killing and is treated as such in law.”

          I never contended otherwise. I think you’re making my point for me.

          “Stick to the topic. Gaza had to do with this. He had it in for Jews. Period.”

          My point was not about Gaza, it was about the media coverage of killings of Jewish children compared with coverage (or lack thereof) of the killings of Muslim children.

          • Dubitante, every time rockets get fired at Sderot at school break times or when children are going to or from school that is an act of premeditated attempted murder.

            How many children have died at Muslim hands, Dubitante, in Iraq, Afghanistan (including those children duped into becoming human bombs), in Syria, as well as in Gaza? Have you heard any Islamist leader express even regret that these deaths have occurred?

            How you can claim any equivalence at all between the actions of these Islamist scum and the deaths of children in Gaza beggars belief.

            Go and study Islamism, Dubitante, before you make a fool of yourself here. Go and learn about the mental gymnastics that the swivel-eyed fanatical leaders of these lunatics require said lunatics to resort to, in order to making murder of Muslim children OK.

            Prove that you understand what motivates these scum and realise how you have been consummately had.

            And then prove that you know that before you have the nerve to post here as if you know what you are talking about.

            • “every time rockets get fired at Sderot at school break times or when children are going to or from school that is an act of premeditated attempted murder.”

              You’re preaching to the choir. The rockets typically used against Sderot and other frequent targets do not have targeting systems, they cannot be targeted, precisely why each and every rocket launch represents a war crime.

              • You really are an idiot, aren’t you?

                It does not matter whether the rockets have targeting systems you knucklehead! The INTENTION of these lunatics is clear – at least to terrorise but there is also the sick and twisted hope that they will strike home and murder Israeli men, women and children

                Precisely what aspect of that do you not understand?

          • I firstly meant to say , it had “NOTHING to do with Gaza”. I mistyped.

            You say: “My point was not about Gaza, it was about the media coverage of killings of Jewish children compared with coverage (or lack thereof) of the killings of Muslim children.”

            I’m sorry, but that is NOT the point you were making in the collection of points that you have overall made allowing you to be selective and slimy at the same time. No one here denies the loss of innocent lives whether Muslim or otherwise as something of no consequence. On the contrary, the wholesale massacres meted out to those innocents is abhorrent and media do report it. But Dubi, this happened in the last few days in Toulouse. Not a war zone from recent reports. No Muslim children are being killed in Paris or Frankfurt or Amsterdam. Points that are so obvious that for you to muddy the facts of this tragedy with your own twisted logic, convinces me (and not just me) , that you are a bit of a nut job, band a malicious one. Concentrate on the type of person this Merah is. Is his act sane?

            As for the Guardian….

            • Am I allowed to decide on the points I’m making?

              The point I was making is that when 16 Muslims are killed by a rabid Christian soldier, we don’t hear about the victims. They aren’t important. We don’t hear about how Christianity is a dangerous religion, or about how dangerous Christian anti-Muslim sentiment is. We do hear about all the problems the killer was suffering with, and about how hard his life has been.

              Can you imagine the apoplexy we would be seeing here if the elite media had failed to name the victims, and instead spent most of their time talking about the killer’s marital problems?

              • Listen Dubi, the soldier in Afghanistan who shot and murdered innocent people is a criminal. The US acknowledge it, we acknowledge it. Christian or not Christian, we do not agree with his motives. We do not need media to teach us that this was wrong, or not to have compassion for the victims. He has to stand trial and if guilty, as we expect him to be, he will be imprisoned, locked up. Sadly, the victims will never recover. I do not exalt the murderer. The families can only be compensated with money. It was not US policy though and it was not from what I could make out a Christian carrying out a Crusade, and nor was it President Obama who was behind him. Stop trying to make out that it was.

                In the case of Mr Merah, who at time of writing either gives himself up or goes to meet his maker with a smile – he is a killer. He is religiously indoctrinated and is a killing machine with religion justifying his act. He was trained to hate. His victims ranged this week from French soldiers because his pretext for killing them is because there are French soldiers in Afghanistan to killing little kids who were targeted because they were Jewish. The “elite” media? What bull is this ? The media reports the story. You’d prefer it didn’t report it? I cannot understand what you are trying to tell me? Marital problems of the killer?? Bizarre!

                Confused? I certainly am, with the logic, but not with the sentiment.

                I’ll make it easy for you. Extremism is bad. Mr Merah is bad. What he did was bad.And stop there, otherwise you keep on upsetting people unnecessarily , and that is bad too. Simple.

          • Dubitante

            Why aren’t you demanding to know the names of the children killed in Syria? Or those killed by the Taliban? Or Kurdish children killed by the Turks?

            You’re not fooling anyone with your “everyone knows the nams of Jewish victims not of Gazans”.

            You’re just another sick Zionophobe.

      • Dubi – now you have really performed the miraculous! You come onto a blog about the tragic, senseless, despicable murder of children who were in no way involved in any sort of conflict anywhere in the world and start making political points about the world’s view of the relative worth of Jewish children’s lives as against Muslim children.

        Then, and this is just the absolute doozy, you add “it sickens me that there are people who will seek to utilise the victims of such heinous crimes to justify their warped ideologies” and “using the deaths of children for propaganda … is despicable.” You even warn us “make no mistake, this is happening right now”.

        Yes, dubi, you have called yourself out. Sickening and despicable, That is an apt description of your attempts to use this dreadful tragedy to reinforce your hatred of Israel.

        • It’s strange that you’re being so defensive over the corporate media’s seemingly indifferent attitude towards the killing of children, when those children are Muslim.

          I view all such killings as tragedies, without qualification. Whether I love, loathe or am indifferent to Israel has nothing to do with it.

          • You keep repeating yourself as though you are trying to convince yourself that what you are fantasizing has any real worth.

            Get help.

      • I’m sure that we can agree that using the deaths of children for propaganda, regardless of the faith or ethnicity of the children involved, is despicable.

        Yet the Guardian editorial arguably did exactly that – as you are yourself doing on this thread.

    • Last time I checked Salafism is a strain of Islam.
      I guess you have a biff with with many in egypt and saudi.

    • The point it seems like you’re trying to make is that Muslims who kill Jews have nothing to do with their religion, which is consistent with your general views that Muslims who do terrible things are not responsible for them in any way. I understand that your worldview is comfortable for you, but at some point you might halfway understand that a lot of people don’t agree with it on the grounds that it’s completely bankrupt–you just won’t find many of them at CiF.

      • “The point it seems like you’re trying to make is that Muslims who kill Jews have nothing to do with their religion,”

        There are 1.6 billion Muslims. There is no one “Islam”.

        I don’t judge all of Islam and all Muslims by the actions of its extremists.

        Does this man feel religiously justified in doing what he did? Quite possibly. Does that mean Islam as a religion is to blame? All Muslims are to blame? Or that extremists in al Qaeda are to blame?

        • And yet there is a still very quiet voice against those barbaric actions, isn’t there, and you are still far too quick to condemn people who place the blame where it belongs, not on Muslims but on the warped ideas of Islam.

          The BBC tells us that this animal was planning more murders. No doubt he thought that he would go to paradise if he was killed.

          Of course Islam is to blame!

          As I said READ THE KORAN AND THE AHADITH, particularly what they say about the treatment of Jews, you mutt.

          • “And yet there is a still very quiet voice against those barbaric actions”

            And how do you judge the volume of that voice?….wait for it…the penny will drop soon…..that’s right, you let the elite media decide what to cover and how. You let the elite media decide on the volume. You are utterly dependent on the elite media for your world view.

            “the warped ideas of Islam”

            Doesn’t the Hebrew Bible teach that I should be put to death for working on the Sabbath (a sin I frequently commit)? Is Judaism warped?

            “As I said READ THE KORAN AND THE AHADITH, particularly what they say about the treatment of Jews, you mutt.”

            Read the Hebrew Bible and particularly what it says about gays, then come back to me. Religious texts say stupid stuff. If we judged all religions according to their texts, we would all be atheists.

            • There’s no reasoning with someone who is wilfully stupid and unreasonable.

              The Hebrew bible is a guideline only – no Jew lives literally by it, and certainly not in terms of biblical punishment for alleged wrongs.

              Most Muslims are not allowed to think for themselves, indeed they are actively forbidden from thinking critically, criticising their leaders or the lunatics who preach violence on Fridays. They are told the take the Koran very literally and to live by it and, guess what, it is a very violent, hate-filled book.

              Read it, particularly the Medina koran, the violent hate-filled verses of which abrogate or nullify the more peaceful Meccan version, and which all these lunatics live by.

              And then come back here and prove that you have and have understood what you have read

    • Why not? These people are motivated by their prophet’s hatred of Jews.

      Have you read the Koran and the Ahadith, dubitante?

      I guess the answer is no ……

    • He was a Muslim. His lunatic masters believe that youare a Muslim too, in error, about to be invited back to Islam and forced back or killed if you refuse.

      Islam paved the way for the murders of the Fogel family and of the innocents in Toulouse because they were Jews and this animal believed he was emulating his evil prophet’s commandments by killing them.

      Read the Koran.

  4. Oh, poor, poor Mr. Merah. I do hope once he’s captured he’s allowed to meet with the Guardian staff for a group hug.

    • Were he captured in the UK, he’d probably claim compensation for alleged abuse of his human rights, and get it too.

    • At present he is meeting the 72 virgins in paradise, all of whom look the dead spit of Helen Thomas

      And it serves him right.

  5. Of course the moderate Islamists are cringing and apologetic… they are reasonable people. They don’t see the folly of the book that was written 1400 years ago – it models itself on a man of violence and hatred towards Jews and non-Muslims – the book he wrote commands us all to be killed, anywhere and behind any stone which hides us.
    And further more, they are allowed to lie (according to that book) to non-Muslims. Arafat was a liar to the West and a hatemonger concerning the Jews when he returned from Camp David among his own people.

    Who is the father of all lies?

    • They don’t see the folly of the book that was written 1400 years ago – it models itself on a man of violence and hatred towards Jews and non-Muslims

      Let’s not go there. The Tanakh is full of massacres, rape and murder, after all – and is not exactly kind to non-believers.

      The difference, of course – and one that dubitante doesn’t seem to consider – is that the proportion of religious Jews projecting that shit literally into the present day is incomparably lower than that among Muslims.
      I arrived in Israel on the fateful day of the 1994 Hebron massacre. As I said to some provocative dickhead on CiF a while back: did I see crowds of thousands celebrating the crime in Tel Aviv (as seen e.g. in Gaza after the Mercaz HaRav massacre in 2008)? No.

      • “The difference, of course – and one that dubitante doesn’t seem to consider – is that the proportion of religious Jews projecting that shit literally into the present day is incomparably lower than that among Muslims.”

        Even if that were true, and I’ve no idea if it is – does it alter anything? Does it excuse racism?

        With 1.6 billion Muslims, even small percentages would have a very visible effect. Would recommend the book “The Missing Martyrs” which dwells on this very question.

  6. Looks like The Guardian is financed by Arab oil or can the paper rely on such a big proportion of “progressive” Antisemite readers and advertising in Great Britain?

  7. When the news of the school massacre broke, I assumed it was some fucked up Jihadi. Then when the news came that it was probably the same individual who murdered the African and/or Muslim French soldiers the week before, I thought it perhaps more likely that it was in fact some neo-Nazi (or equivalent) – but only perhaps. I never assumed it – and the Guardian editorial and Fiachra Gibbons were incredibly foolish to do so.
    (as was LinksFahren BTL)

    Altogether rather pathetic.

  8. Let us also note that this guy killed three French soldiers, two of whom were Muslim, and has left a fourth in a coma. This should be a clear warning. Muslims – if you are not one of the frothing nutcases who rejects civil society and wants to destroy and obliterate it – you too are a “legitimate target” for these utterly sick Islamist criminals.

    This has NOTHING to do with “immigration”, let alone “race”. All four of the soldiers were non-white guys of “immigrant” stock, and the four victims at the school were all dual nationals and members of an ethnic minority. Yes, there are crazy racist white people in France who think that you can’t be non-white and French at the same time. And this, in fact, seems to be a view shared by our murderer – so incensed was he that people from arab and carribean family backgrounds had the chutzpah to be true, loyal Frenchmen, that he executed three of them and did his damndest to execute a fourth. Then, like the true hero warrior that he obviously is, he moved on to little kids. Their political “transgression”, it seems, was merely to exist.

    Political Islam is a sick, racist, totalitarian ideology. Decent people do not reject it because some of its proponents are brown. Decent people reject it because it is a sick, racist, totalitarian ideology.

    May G-d grant peace and comfort to all the families and loved ones of the dead.

  9. When was the last time you read about a Jew put to death for working on the sabbath?

    The Qu’ran needs changing.

  10. “Read the Hebrew Bible and particularly what it says about gays, then come back to me. Religious texts say stupid stuff. If we judged all religions according to their texts, we would all be atheists”.

    But Islamic texts say stupid stuff with the authority of a putative God whose present day authority, being divine, is a potent then as now. Jews are free to interpret their texts with modern intellect and reason, but Muslims do the same with ancient intellect and without the voice of reason, which is forbidden.

    • But Islamic texts say stupid stuff with the authority of a putative God

      Jewish texts not likewise?

      but Muslims do the same with ancient intellect and without the voice of reason

      The kind of bigoted comment we’re used to from the epidermoid from CiF.

    • I do try to have intelligent and respectful discussions about different faiths. But right about now, I get this voice screaming in my head (sounds like Brian Blessed) – it shouts “IT’S ALL ANTIQUATED MYSTICAL CLAPTRAP” – but I usually just tell the voice to shush.

      Or at least tell it to talk to one of the other voices.

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  12. Read the Hebrew Bible and particularly what it says about gays…

    What the Hebrew Bible says about gays is absolutely irrelevant in today’s Judaism, Tel-Aviv is the “Mecca” of LGBT persons, the Israeli lawregarding the LGBT rights is one of the most liberal one in the world. Not exactly so in the Muslim countries where the last station of gays are the gallows or the Chop-square – according th the Holy Quran. This is so obvious that even your kind of academics should know.

    … then come back to me.
    You don’t need to come back dubi, you need to crawl back under the gravestone of your spiritual ancestors – there will be a fresh opening – ask the Demianuk family about the locale.

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