The Iranian Guardians: CiF readers come out in force to demonize Israel, & defend Islamist regime


Perhaps to fill their quota of CiF essays not viscerally hostile to the U.S., and Israel’s very existence, the Guardian published “A covert campaign is the only way stop Iran’s nuclear ambitions“, by Andrew Cummings – an adviser on the Middle East and US affairs in the UK cabinet office national security staff. 

Cummings argues that a negotiated settlement needs a comprehensive strategy, including covert action, increasingly robust sanctions, along with a credible threat of military action.

The author also pointed out the following politically inconvenient fact:

“Through the Revolutionary Guards, “Iran has been responsible for increasing the efficacy of insurgent improvised bombs in both Iraq and Afghanistan. It has helped to prop up Bashar al-Assad’s murderous regime in Syria and has a track record of attempting to assassinate or imprison its enemies – both at home and abroad.”

True to form, the merry band of Iran defenders whose Guardian-style politics can be pretty much summed up as “the enemy of the US and Israel are by definition deserving of sympathy”, immediately pounced on Cummings’ heterodox pro-Western views, often leveling clear ad hominem attacks on the author which have curiously not been deleted.

(I’ve read the first 202 comments posted thus far, and would gauge those militantly opposed to Cummings’ views in the 90-95% range, many of which are openly hostile to any suggestion that the West should challenge Iran’s aspirations for regional hegemony.)

Cummings is a Mossad agent who should be imprisoned or exiled (12 Recommends, not deleted)

Another accusation that Cummings is a Mossad Agent (10 Recommends)

U.S. and Israel are terrorists and war criminals (41 recommends)

The U.S. and Israel are a blight on the human race (22 recommends) 

Iran should be seen as a check against the bullying and hegemony of the U.S and its allies. (23 Recommends)

Cummings is closer to an al-Qaeda terrorist than a civilized human being (25 Recommends)

Israel is an aggressive, jingoistic country which constantly murders innocent civilians (6 Recommends)

Cites conspiracy theory, including the suggestion that Israel lobby is behind assassinations

Perhaps Israeli leaders should be assassinated (8 Recommends)

And, finally, for some comic relief, here’s Berchmans, on the secret war mongering agenda of the “buffoons” at (multiple?) anti-CiF sites!

55 comments on “The Iranian Guardians: CiF readers come out in force to demonize Israel, & defend Islamist regime

  1. What Adam Levick won’t say:

    1) Andrew Cummings’ article supporting the use of a ‘covert campaign’ against Iranian scientists is contrary to Guardian editorial policy and to the views of most Guardian readers. It is published because the Guardian is committed to the free expression of a wide rang of views. Occasionally they even publish articles in support of the Israeli government.

    2) Many of the comments under the article agree with Cummings. Others are opposed but are couched in a reasoned and civilised manner. I haven’t read 202 comments but it may be significant that Adam had to trawl through that number to find a few crazies.

    • The Guardian is definitely not committed to the free expression of a wide range of views, sencar, as well you know.

      If that were the case, for every Islamist terror supporting article there would be one in reply which actually tells the truth to the CiF “readership” about the terorists’ murderous intentions. But that rarely happens, does it?

      “Occasionally they even publish….” as you say, gives the lie to your first assertion, doesn’t it, because almost invariably anti-Israel views predominate.

      As you said, you haven’t read 202 comments, so what gives you the right to pass comment here?

      Go away and read all of them before you put fingers to keyboard

      • As you said, you haven’t read 202 comments, so what gives you the right to pass comment here?

        Have you – or any of the seals happily clapping along – read any of the comments apart from those cited here?
        What gives you the right to pass comment here?

      • “If that were the case, for every Islamist terror supporting article there would be one in reply”

        Sorry SarahLeah your faulty reasoning is showing. Of course the Guardian has a core set of views and its opinion pieces will usually reflect these. However it does regularly publish articles outside this set, such as the one by Cummings. A year or two ago it published the thoughts of President Peres….

        • Does it? As many pro-Israel as anti?

          What’s that? No, not as many?

          Why not? What a “core set of values” to be proud of!

          And you are a fine specimen to talk of faulty reasoning.

        • However it does regularly publish articles outside this set, such as the one by Cummings. A year or two ago it published the thoughts of President Peres….

          Peres one of the builder and supporter of the Oslo process, an unswerving and uncompromising bastion of the two-state solution, the giving up of East-Jerusalem to the Palestinians and the evacuation of Jews from the West-Bank…and according to sencar this is against the Guardian views.

          Thank you sencar, you just acknowledged that the Guardian “core set” of views are identical either with the ideology of Hamas or with the religiously fanatic part of the settler movement.
          .

          • What a childish response. Of course a two-state solution is not contrary to Guardian views – and nor did sencar imply such a thing!

    • Umm…yeah, those Guardian “standards” somehow allowed for a Hamas member to publish at Comment is Free (That is, an essay by a member of an organization which explicitly calls for the murder of Jews is considered consistent with “liberal” thought.) But, of course, sencar, as anyone who has ever come across your comments here surely knows, Jews get you much more riled up than Jew-hatred

      • Adam, you forgot the obituary for Nizar Rayyan, Islamist sh*tbag, proud murderer of his wife and children whom he refused to allow to leave the apartment during Cast Lead even though he knew he was a target.

        This same sh*tbag sent his own son on a suicide murder mission to Israel – note, he didn’t go himself, he preferred to sacrifice his children.
        A fine specimen of psycopathy and the Guardian thought that this animal merited an obituary.

        See also: http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2009/03/beyond-belief/7287/

        and particularly:

        “…Rayyan said that he missed the son who had died attacking the settlement (he was 16), but that he planned to push another son to conduct an attack of his own. “It’s our home,” he said. “It’s more dear to me than my kids.”

        These are the sort of charmers that the Guardian supports, slimes alongside and bends itself out of shape to excuse.

      • Funnily enough Adam I see a lot of anger and abuse coming from my ‘riled up’ critics. You will struggle to find anger or abuse in my posts. As for your suggestion that I am anti-semitic; this is the last resort of Zionists who have exhausted all other arguments.

        • “…this is the last resort of Zionists who have exhausted all other arguments.”

          No, it´s just the reasonable conclusion from your posts, your obsession with Zionists, your double-standards, obfuscations, pseudo-scholarship, fake outrage, etc. It just fits.

        • Here comes that innate sense of superiority, and with impeccable manners too. So English and refined Sencar! How else can one judge their intellectual and moral mettle except by the measure of the Jew? I mean Zionist – Israel being full of Jews is purely coincidental to your tunnel-visioned opprobium.

        • You are passive aggressive rather than angry, sencar. I have met people like you before and I can almost smell it from your posts.

          Your views are offensive. Of course you are entitled to be as disturbed as you like but why here if not to offend and insult? To deliberately give offense is abusive of our hospitality sencar.

          And from the tenor of your posts you are a cardholding antisemite , obsessed by and bitterly envious of Israeli success.

          Why else would you come here except to vent your spleen? You cannot argue well and yet you return here again and again like the proverbial dog to its vomit

  2. Just as you begin to believe The Guardian’s CiF can’t get any more ridiculous, they prove you wrong and plumb new depths of stupidity and dangerous stupidity at that.
    In their eagerness to condemn the USA and Israel they are deliberately overlooking the danger posed to the West by a nuclear armed Iran.
    If they were just being stupid you could laugh at their antics, as our Victorian ancestors used to by paying a penny on a Sunday to go to an asylum and laugh at the antics of the lunatics.
    But these lunatics are not only stupid they are also dangerous. They are as dangerous as those who in the 1930s were content to overlook rearmament by the Nazi regime instead of stopping it straight away.
    No doubt our own resident ‘Guardian groupies’ will doubtless rush to the defence of their kind at CiF probably aided by our own resident ‘International Law expert’, or to more accurately describe him our own resident retard and liar who knows as much about International Law as a newt does about Nuclear physics.

    • Just as you begin to believe The Guardian’s CiF can’t get any more ridiculous, they prove you wrong and plumb new depths of stupidity and dangerous stupidity at that. In their eagerness to condemn the USA and Israel they are deliberately overlooking the danger posed to the West by a nuclear armed Iran.

      Gerald evidently didn’t even bother reading the pro-assassination Cummings article – nor did the 5 people recommending the post.

      Hilarious!!

      • “Gerald evidently didn’t even bother reading the pro-assassination Cummings article – nor did the 5 people recommending the post.”

        Wrong pretzelberg.
        Either your mind reading skills are slipping or your crystal ball is getting cloudy, whichever try and fix it before you attempt to read someone else’s mind. You are only making yourself appear a bigger clown than you normally do.
        Not hilarious, pathetic!!

          • You’re in denial, too? Tell me where the Cummings articles displays an “eagerness to condemn the USA and Israel” and is “deliberately overlooking the danger posed to the West by a nuclear armed Iran”.

            It’s the very opposite, of course. What a hoot!

  3. No, I voted for Gerald, and for you, sencar, which explains the one star.

    Adam, I note you quoted the Einstein of CiF, Berchmans, as if he had anything useful to contribute! I think that he should volunteer to go to Iran and be a stand-in for any other nuclear scientist who is under threat of assassination. It’d probably be the first useful thing he ever did!

    I had a good chuckle at the conspiracy theorist post, too. I wonder how many of the contributers wear tinfoil hats?

    GreatandGood’s burblings are on a par with the jerk who posted that the Israeli settlers should be shot. That resulted in a police investigation.

    Perhaps there should be another one? Surely the Guardian would not want to be done for encouraging the idiotic to incite murder?

    • You want Berchmans to offer his services as a stand-in nuclear scientist – like a human shield?

      He’s been announcing for years now on CIF that he wants to go to Gaza to act as a human shield defending those poor Palestinians terrorists against Israeli aggression.

      A human shield for the cause is what he lives for

      Sending him to an Iranian nuclear plant might just get him irradiated and steralised, but the downside is that if he ever returns to the UK, he will be literally glowing in arrogance and conceit.

      He will be writing in CIF for ever about how he single-handedly saved Iran from Israel and the US, whilst at the same time securing the nuclear bomb for Iran.

      A hero for the cause if he survives – and a martyr if he gets assassinated

      Berchmans – A stand-in nuclear scientist? – Better a stand-in CIF comedian!

  4. Snigger, you are right.

    Whether or not the Met does anything about it, it can be viewed as incitement to murder, can’t it, and the Guardian is responsible for facilitating it by not applying its community policy.

    Right. Off to do my duty as a British citizen….

  5. I wonder if the Tony Blair blogger will pick this up. That post certainly looks actionable to me, Snigger.

    The idiots probably have to come out in force since there are reports that the scientist belonged to the Green Movement and the likelihood is that the mullahcracy ordered the bombing.

    Rather different from the idiots: love for Vanunu,
    .

    • Ariadne, my conversation with an officer at the Met said that he thought it constituted incitement. It seemed to him that the Editors of CiF are complicit by not policing their blog properly…..

      Oh dear…..

  6. Many of those posts cited are indeed extreme if not dereanged – but tey represent a tiny minority of the comments.

    Most of the opposition to Cummings is down to his gung-ho perspective.
    We’re talking about the cold-blooded murder of Iranian civilians here – which he refers to in terms such as “bold”, “creative” and “audacious”.

    And look how often has this website has called out the Guardian for belittling the murders of Israelis by calling them simply “deaths”? But that’s exactly what Cummings does here.

    You also distort the words of MToralez:
    Cummings is closer to an al-Qaeda terrorist than a civilized human being

    Obviously said poster is claiming nothing of the kind!

    This website’s credibility suffers yet again from deliberate misquoting.

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  9. He is a chameleon,he changes color to suit the occasion,here on CiFWATCH he is one persona,and on CiF he is completely another,he is fooling no one,except for himself.

    Tell him that there are no more vacancies in the Trinity.

  10. There were 783 comments on that thread,the usual Berchmans were as cross as cut snakes,they are used to butt-sucking articles on anything that concerns the Muslims.They were shocked to read that there are other views besides their own……………….

    They went tropo in their feeble attempts and responses blaming everything on Israel.They got just as good as they gave and a bit more……………….

    Stick it to them………………………

    • They went tropo in their feeble attempts and responses blaming everything on Israel.

      Nonsense. The vast majority of posters disagreeing wiht the article did so because of the author’s callous attitude towards murdering a civilian.

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