Well, it’s good to see that CiF moderators are not necessarily deleting every reference to our blog.
Beneath Guardian Readers’ Editor Chris Elliott’s post, “on averting accusations of antisemitism“, which made a clear reference to our blog – “organisations monitoring the Guardian’s coverage examine the language in articles and the comments posted underneath them online…as closely as the facts” – which we’ll comment on soon, were a few interesting comments.
This one by serial Israel hater, Berchmans, did contain the odious suggestion, which he’s leveled before, that Zionists cynically “use” the Holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel, but also leveled an accusation which is just funny.
Do you hear that? He’s “accusing” CiF Watch of the evidently unique Zionist tactic of “trying to sway opinion”.
Next, we’ll no doubt be accused of the colonialist methods of employing facts, logic and common sense in defense of Israel.
Berchmans’ dire warning of our Hasbara infiltration received 72 recommends.
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November 9, 2011 at 10:16 am
dubitante (@dubitante)
Just to echo my comments on Twitter:
“It’s 1938 and Iran is Germany. And Iran is racing to arm itself with atomic bombs.” – Bibi
“[Ahmadinejad] is preparing another Holocaust for the Jewish state.” – Bibi
“[Iran's nuclear program] is a Jewish problem like Hitler was a Jewish problem” – Bibi
And finally, pop quiz, which Zionist leader compared an Iranian nuclear bomb to a “flying concentration camp?” That’s right, Shimon Perez.
So, rather than describing as “odious” the *suggestion* that Zionists use the Holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel, perhaps you could start describing as “odious” the disgusting abuse of the memories of 6 million dead Jews in such a cynical manner by Israel’s Zionist leadership.
November 9, 2011 at 11:49 am
Ariadne
You think that Ahmadinejad wouldn’t wipe out the Israeli population if he could?
Why does Iran promote and pay for so much terrorism against Israel?
I’d say you are abusing that memory you claim to defend.
November 9, 2011 at 4:47 pm
dubitante (@dubitante)
I’ve seen nothing to suggest he wants to wipe out the Israeli population. He wishes the Zionist regime would disappear, but he’s hardly alone on that front.
To use your logic, since the US pays far more in support of terrorism committed against Palestinians, one must assume that the regime in Washington wishes to wipe out all Palestinians?
November 9, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Ariadne
Straw man. And you are worse than it.
November 9, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Irit
Just FYI. This “dubitante” creep is named Tim Haughton. If you Google him you will see that he claims that Gaza is occupied and the usual run of disgusting smears. He is a pal of that sicko Weiss.
Make sure you wash your hands after replying to him. I am going to use eye drops after I leave CIFWatch.
November 10, 2011 at 3:30 am
dubitante (@dubitante)
I don’t claim that Gaza is occupied. That is the opinion of the UN and the international human rights organisations.
November 10, 2011 at 5:22 am
Yohoho
And you believe that UN opinion should be taken as seriously as you appear to take it? The UN is a joke!
And which International “Human Rights” organisations exactly?
Do you accept what they say without question too?
November 10, 2011 at 1:49 pm
HairShirt
“.. he wishes….” eh?
And you don’t think that the lunatic who thinks that he will usher in the Twelfth Imam won’t be tempted actually to do something about it?
You are farther gone than I thought dubitante.
November 9, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Adam Levick
Yes, from where your sitting you can afford to be blaze about a world leader who openly calls for the destruction of my nation.
From where you’re sitting, you can be flippant about an Iranian backed Shiite terrorist movement, Hezbollah, who calls for the murder of Jews all over the world.
And, from the safety of not being in Israel, you can dismiss the terrorists in Gaza (Hamas) whose founding charter cites the Protocols of the Elders of Zion as “proof” that Jews are indeed trying to take over the world as grounds for their wish that we be destroyed.
My understanding of Jewish history renders all of these phenomena unsurprising.
However, what continues to baffle me is how otherwise sane, rational, and “liberal” people can be so damn indifferent to such explicit desires, by these state and non-state actors, to once again annihilate the Jews.
Luckily, the Jews have a state now, with a strong military, and we no longer have to rely on the good will of folks like you.
November 9, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Thank God I'm an Infidel
dubidunce,
Sadly for your ilk, the Israelis are NOT the unarmed Jews of WW2 national SOCIALIST nazi filth infested europe.
November 9, 2011 at 4:56 pm
dubitante (@dubitante)
As I said on Twitter, I’m not aware of Ahmadinejad openly calling for the destruction of your nation. Although I know he wouldn’t mourn the collapse of the Zionist regime.
Hamas’ charter is notoriously anti-Semitic, and has also been dismissed as irrelevant to the Hamas of today by their political leader. The platform on which they were elected said nothing of Jews or Israel, other than wanting economic independence from the “Zionist regime”.
Compare this to the platform on which Likud was elected, which openly and unambiguously calls for Palestine to be wiped off the map.
You see the problem? The Western powers and the faithful stenographers in what we amusingly call the “free press” hold Israel to a completely different standard to other states in the Middle East.
The Israeli regime is a war-addicted, rogue expansionist regime bent on maintaining its nuclear hegemony in the region. But it is Iran that is the problem, a nation that hasn’t attacked another state in living memory.
If someone who had been living in a cave were to analyse the facts impartially, the scaremongering about Iran’s nuclear program wouldn’t make a blind bit of sense.
November 10, 2011 at 1:51 pm
HairShirt
So, you are “not aware” of the Iranian lunatic actually calling for the destruction of my nation?
And you can read, evidently…..
That is interesting indeed.
November 9, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Irit
Adam, he is not blase about the destruction of Israel, rather, he is slavering for it. He is not concerned that the Iranians might commit another genocide against us, rather, he is concerned that they might not be able to.
He is the enemy, without redemption.
November 9, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Truthtriumphs
Your comment is the product of a depraved mindset, not to mention an ignorant and malicious one.
The six million would be appalled to read the comment you made, supposedly in their name.
November 10, 2011 at 5:27 am
Snigger
Why are you so obsessed by defending Ahmedinejad?
Why are you so keen to defend a frankly crazy individual who believes that he is the incarnation of the Twelfth Imam who will lead his people to glory in a blaze of fire? Can’t you join the dots?
And the accusation that the Jews (and let’s face it you do mean Jews) use the holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel IS odious.
If Ahmedinejad goes nuclear and is allowed to bring about the prophecy, millions of Jews and Arabs and others will be slaughtered on a mass scale akin to the slaughter of Jews in WW2
November 10, 2011 at 6:28 am
dubitante (@dubitante)
“Why are you so obsessed by defending Ahmedinejad?”
I’m not interested in Ahmadinejad in any way shape or form. If a piano fell on him this afternoon I would likely chuckle. That doesn’t mean I won’t correct lies that, if believed, could lead to the slaughter of hundreds, or more likely thousands of human beings.
“Why are you so keen to defend a frankly crazy individual who believes that he is the incarnation of the Twelfth Imam who will lead his people to glory in a blaze of fire?”
The US is ruled by a man who believes the Earth was created 6000 years ago by an invisible man in the sky who will return to kill all non-believers. Can’t YOU join the dots?
“And the accusation that the Jews (and let’s face it you do mean Jews) use the holocaust to deflect criticism of Israel IS odious.”
It’s not an accusation, it is a statement of fact. I’ve cited instances of Israeli (yes, Jewish) leaders doing it. And I can certainly cite more. I find the use of the Holocaust in such a way to be, quite frankly, disgraceful. A view shared by many Jews who survived the Holocaust, I might add.
Israel is ruled by leaders who view International law as something for “other people”. By a man whose party’s stated aim is to wipe a nation off the map. A man who will stop at nothing to maintain his violent hegemony….
…and yet…no one is worried about Israel’s rogue nuclear arsenal? Like I said before, I totally support the idea of a Nuclear Free Middle East,that includes Iran, and it includes Israel.
November 10, 2011 at 6:54 am
Ariadne
There’s a breath of fresh air on Page 5:
http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf
“marg bar Esraiil“
November 9, 2011 at 11:22 am
Lisa
I see, Berchmans is at it again. His ususal worst.
The way he claims he would defend Jewish people against anti-semitic attacks while in the same breath saying: ‘you might have noted what some describe as the rediscovery of the holocaust following the 67 war and the way that it is used to bludgeon criticism of Israel.’ !
The ‘some’ he refers to in this quote are anti-semites, of which he, without any doubt, is one.
November 9, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Irit
Whom does he think he is kidding? He would be Madame DeFarge watching the Jews stumble into the showers.
November 9, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Thank God I'm an Infidel
I’d say it’s Berchmans mouth.
November 9, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Ariadne
He’s a horrible insidious slimy creature. So what about all over.
November 9, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Thank God I'm an Infidel
This video is for YOU Ms. Berchmans, the silver haired granny wearing your winter sweater.
Happy Nakba Ms. Berchmans!
November 9, 2011 at 4:17 pm
anneinpt
I spotted the mention of Giyus in Berchie’s comment. I’ve noticed that anti-Israel commenters on CiF (and also the Independent and Telegraph) have an obsession with Giyus. I’ve been accused of belonging to Giyus myself simply because I objected to someone’s biased comment. It’s really quite pathetic that a small organization can scare the anti-Israel crowd so much.
November 9, 2011 at 5:04 pm
dubitante (@dubitante)
If the moderators have just moderated the vile racist comments about Arab bodily fluids, then kudos to them.
TGIAI and Ariadne – by joining in with such racism, you are become the mirror image of the anti-Semite.
November 9, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Ariadne
I am sorry to be so crude but Berchmans is so very awful. I didn’t wish to compare him to innocent slugs and snails in his sliminess. He seemed to be talking to himself under a second username the other day.
You don’t see the mote in your own eye?
November 9, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Irit
It is impossible to be crude enough about creatures such as Berchtesgaden and the creep above you. He has such contempt for Jews that he thinks he can fool us with his crocodile tears, and his pious pronouncements.
He is just an English Demjanjuk.
November 9, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Ben
I have had a busy and tiring day, but finding out someone of your abilities was committed to spinning the factual records of Iran/Hamas/Likud (that one was in a negative rather than positive direction, but helpful nonetheless) would wrap it up on a very positive note. Please keep up the, um, work.
November 10, 2011 at 4:50 am
Derek Pasquill
Berchmans is probably a Very Firster.
as in those who would be ‘the very first to defend Jews in society’
Absolutely meaningless like the person himself and all the others who make similar statements.
November 10, 2011 at 5:19 am
Yohoho
I’m sorry, but why give the execrable and beneath contempt Berchmans the oxygen of publicity?
This wretch is on record making nasty remarks about everything from Anne Frank to blethering about what he allegedly knows about Israel.
He used to post here until CiF finally banned him, and threatened to come round and bonk SilverTrees in front of his friends.
He’s a one-trick pony and also the archetypal creep who is often the first to press the complaint button on CiF and to rat to the teacher about the misbehaviour of others.
Now, I don’t have the Guardian or CiF down as particularly charitable, but he seems to be CiF’s resident charity case, which begs the question of what dirt he has on them. Perhaps they keep him on because he makes the rest look halfway intelligent.
November 10, 2011 at 7:36 am
Arabella Meller
Yohoho you might just be right about the dirt otherwise how do you explain it?
He functions in thread as a trap to lure the unwary far off-topic into being pre-modded and then banned but though hisown comments are off topic and often deleted his longevity there is remarkable.
The Guardian’s tolerance for his malicious little sense of humour goes a long way to prove Cifwatch’s case about their depravity and the subjects of his humour show the nasty concepts buzzing around there about Judaism and Israel. He seems unable to resist the temptation to make a spiteful dig at Jews which makes me wonder why left-leaning Jews are polite to him.
November 10, 2011 at 8:09 am
pretzelberg
Berchmans again going out of his way to offend today:
As for your list above the Holocaust conference was incendiary bad taste but it was about the use of the Holocaust to further Israels settlement of Palestine there was and is no denial whatsoever.
Sounds like denial to me, at least.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/discussion/comment-permalink/13217974