In the comment section beneath Jonathan Freedland’s CiF essay, “Gilad Shalit has been brought home to an Israel that has no plan for peace.“, there was this comment by someone using the moniker FreshNews:
The reasoning which informs such vitriol against Israel is nothing new to CiF Watch readers.
One of the more prolific antisemites on the far left, Gilad Atzmon – who was given a platform by the Guardian several weeks ago – has written the following:
“There is no anti-Semitism any more. In the devastating reality created by the Jewish state, anti-Semitism has been replaced by political reaction. I am saying that these acts [vandalizing synagogues and Jewish cemeteries] should be seen as political responses rather than racially motivated acts or ‘irrational’ hate crimes. If Israel is the state of the Jewish people and the Jewish people themselves do not stand up collectively against the crimes that are committed on their behalf, then every Jewish person, Jewish symbol and Jewish object becomes an Israeli interest and a potential terrorist target….we should be consistent and regard any act against Jews as a political reaction rather than an irrational racist attack.”
CiF commentator, Medhi Hasan, has advanced a similar narrative:
”...the state of Israel – created ostensibly to protect Jews from across the world from hatred, prejudice and violence – through its actions today, and through its self-proclaimed role as the leader and home of world Jewry, provokes such awful anti-Semitic attacks against diaspora Jews.”
Former Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin had a great response, in an interview by David Frost, to the question of whether Israel’s actions provoke violence:
Begin told Frost that during his youth in Poland, he asked a group of Poles why they felt a need to beat up Jews, and they responded that the very presence of Jews was a “provocation.”
As such, it is a morally grotesque proposition to suggest that the actions, or mere presence, of Israel, causes or provokes antisemitism.
While manifestations of antisemitism have varied throughout history, the one common thread which unites them all is that such bigotry existed as an a priori phenomenon, and was not informed by any particular Jewish behavior.
Modern antisemites don’t gravitate towards Jew hatred as the result of Israeli behavior.
The hatred of Jews has simply never been informed by such causation, nor any semblance of moral or political logic.
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October 26, 2011 at 7:54 am
anneinpt
When I saw the nic of that commenter, my first reaction – before reading the text – was that he/she was an Israeli because there is an excellent Israeli online news service called fresh.co.il.
But then I read the actual comment. ’nuff said.
October 26, 2011 at 8:42 am
Derek Pasquill
A reader comment seen at the Other palce:
open quote
I am just wondering at what point the Islamist Guardian will stop describing itself as ‘the world’s leading liberal voice’. Perhaps it never will. Perhaps it will just appropriate the word for its Islamist masters as has been done with so many words in the past decade: ‘peace’, ‘human rights’, ‘anti-war’, etc.end quote
October 26, 2011 at 9:53 am
AKUS
The Guardian is currently promoting the concept of “moderate Islamist” in connection with the triumph of the Moslem Brotherhood in Tunisia, and soon, no doubt it hopes, in Egypt. Its like using the terms”moderate Stalinist”, or “moderate fascist”.
If Orwell had had a sense of humor, he would no doubt be laughing in his grave at the way his predictions of the control of the English language for political purposes is so wonderfully exemplified by the Guardian.
October 26, 2011 at 9:59 am
Yohoho
Is the comment still there?
October 26, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Thank God I'm An Infidel
Der Guardian is the self described “worlds leading liberal voice”
as you know who is the self described “religion of peace”.
October 26, 2011 at 9:21 am
Common Sense
It is commonplace for the former master to resent (to the point of hatred) the former slave. This is the case with some whites in the USA; with some Russian attitudes towards Chechens and Georgians; and with Arab attitudes towards Jews and blacks.
The one-andone-half-millennia-long European and Arab odium theologicum towards Jews, has now been augmented by the virulent Arab resentment of the formerly-subjugated Jewish dhimmi daring to claim, and achieve, equality.
October 26, 2011 at 10:09 am
pretzelberg
One of the more prolific antisemites on the far left, Gilad Atzmon
He’s from “the far left”? The only statements I’ve ever heard from him have had little or nothing to do with the right, left or center of politics.
October 26, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Adam Levick
Atzmon used to be a regular at Socialist Workers Party events. While even they have since distanced themselves from Atzmon of late, you don’t get invited to a Socialist conference if you’re not considered a leftist
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/mar/06/gilad-atzmon-israel-jazz-interview#history-byline
October 26, 2011 at 11:08 am
Hoi Polloi
It is, of course, also an attack on Israel’s very existence.
The anti-Semitic animals at the Guardian who allowed that comment are the grandchildren of the very people who collaborated in the genocide of the Jews of Europe. Nothing much ever changes in Britain, at least so far as the Jewish people are concerned. If only we had the power to place an eternal curse on that evil nation. Mind you, she appears to be self-destructing very nicely, thank you very much,
without any help from us.
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“Four months after the State Department confirmed the dimensions of the Holocaust, British Foreign Secretary Anthony Eden met in Washington with President Roosevelt, Secretary of State Cordell Hull and Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles. At this meeting, Eden expressed his fear that Hitler might actually accept an offer from the Allies to move Jews out of areas under German control.”
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/holocaust/filmmore/reference/primary/index.html
October 26, 2011 at 12:03 pm
eMtoN
guardian recommendation button is really easy to manipulate , so you don’t have to give much weight to the number .
October 26, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Thank God I'm An Infidel
If that’s true then De r Guardian should have fixed it long ago, or…
The recommendations reflect actual opinion.
October 26, 2011 at 2:53 pm
eMtoN
its true and the guardian did nothing about it
October 26, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Irit
When we were defenseless minorities in Dar-al-Islam and Europe, they hated us, hunted us, attacked us, exiled us, persecuted us, and blamed us for being helpless. They deprived us of weapons and then blamed us for not fighting back. It was always our fault that they were forced to rape and kill us. Jew was an epithet all over the lands of the Christians and the Moslems.
Now that Israel exists. They still hate us, but it is not so easy to hunt us, or attack us, or exile us, or persecute us, and now they blame us for not being helpless. They complain that Israel has weapons, and do what they can to prevent us getting or having them. They hate it that we fight back. They blame us for fighting back. The human right of self-defense, granted to the rest of humanity, causes them to hate us.
Whatever we do, or say, or think, or believe, or just are, is always our fault, and is always the source of anti-Semitism. We are always the cause, never them. We exist, that is our crime. If we are helpless, they kick us like dogs. If we are strong, they call us “chosen,” and hate us for our strength. Heads, they win, tails we lose.
October 27, 2011 at 4:56 am
Derek Pasquill
Is the comment still there?
Sorry for the confusion – by other place I meant Harry’s Place not cif.
ie cifwatch is as the House of Commons to Harry’s Place House of Lords.
A feeble attempt at irony.
November 21, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Lucien Quélet
When I was a boy I was told that anybody could become President; I”m beginning to believe it.