Radical Islam for Dummies


A guest post by AKUS

It would have been hard to find an American outside the 30-person congregation of Rev. Terry Jones who even knew that he burned a Koran last week. But thanks to the Internet, this nutcase was able to post a video on the Internet, with Arabic sub-titles, showing him burning a copy of the Koran.

The result, as we know, was riots in Afghanistan. The rioters in Mazar-e Shari, Afghanistan’s second largest city, left their mosque after the usual anti-Western diatribe delivered weekly from the pulpit there, and, with the assistance of Taliban exploiting the situation, attacked a UN compound killing seven of their employees. (As of this post, 20 have been killed and 80 injured as a result of the riots, a number which includes some of the rioters themselves). As far as I can tell, not one of those injured or killed was an American.

(Video of rioting.  Listen at 0:57, you can hear the chant, “Mar al Yahud” – “Death to the Jews”)

In all the fuss over this, it seems to me that the press has forgotten to tell us who was killed as a result of this utterly marginal American Christian, if he deserves the appellation, burning a book. I finally found a partial list in the print edition of Sunday’s Washington Post (April 3, 2011), which I summarize below:

There were six Nepalese guards at the UN compound “who had orders not to shoot”, four of whom were killed by the violent mob. Nepalese are not generally Christians, and obviously not Americans. Their names were not given.

Others murdered, possibly Christians but definitely not Americans, once the mob broke in, were:

Joakim Dungel, a Swedish human rights worker

Lt. Col. Siri Skare, a Norwegian who was advising the police

Filaret Motco, a Romanian Political officer

Pavel Ershov, a Russian, was beaten but not killed after he persuaded the rioters by speaking Dari, their dialect, that he is a Muslim.

President Karzai has called on the US to condemn the Koran burning but has issued no statement indicating that he intends to find and punish the murderers. Western leaders have tried to balance the two acts by denouncing Jones’ act and claiming Western respect for the Koran – not likely to fool many people – while condemning the rioters.

This is all political window dressing. We see yet again that radical Islam (Islamism) is a cause for the ignorant, the duped, the easily led, and the fanatics. But more than anything, the events in Afghanistan show that adherents to this movement are extremists who are willing to kill even Nepalese because of their anger towards America – all due to the actions of one obscure American preacher.

The cringing attempts in the West to pretend that all is well, and that Islamism is simply another, albeit misunderstood, political religious movement, have to stop. The nearest example I can think of is the Spanish Inquisition and no-one would tolerate Jesuits burning unbelievers to death in this day and age.

When Islamism’s adherents believe it is right to murder people because of a cartoon, or a book burning, or anything else they deem an insult, the democratic West needs to stand up and call it out for what it is: reactionary, supremely intolerant and extremely dangerous.

42 comments on “Radical Islam for Dummies

  1. There is no such thing as radical Islam nor Islamism.

    People must hear the truth about Islam continually until they are completely aware of its dangers. Sadly, Churches dare not speak up for fear of being accused of intolerance toward another religion. Academia, the university professors, left or right, dare not, because, most likely, they would lose their salaries. Politicians dare not because they are master practitioners of euphemism, hedging, doubletalk, and outright deception, and they need your votes as well as your money. Editors dare not because they would lose subscribers and fear of being shut down. Businessmen dare not because they might lose customers and clientele. Even ordinary clerks dare not because they might be discharged. So I thought I would tell you.

    There is no such thing as “radical Islam.” And those who take a “liberal” view of Islam should be forced to back up their nouveau interpretation with unabrogated scriptural facts. Unless such “reformists” can denounce fascist Islam with scripture, they are the true radicals, which is why we never see them pointing to scriptural arguments against jihad…they cannot because they are lying. Islamic terrorists are only doing exactly what Muhammad demanded, and his demands were not suggestions and they were not ephemeral. They were “perfect,” eternal ultimata. Let us not forget that the terrorists are faithful and true to what is written in their holy book.

    Watch this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g29d0eDMPsk

  2. Meanwhile, over at the Groan, Matt Seaton is swimming through the drek once more, having set up a poll at http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/poll/2011/apr/01/christianity-islam?commentpage=1#comment-10204117about who is to blame for the beheadings. This was, of course, a stupid decision on his part, but when did that ever stop him?

    And he has not had it all his own way either. The following gives a flavour of the trend in the responses;

    MaxMarmalade

    1 April 2011 9:22PM

    What a despicable poll. Every time an Arab murders someone, the West are blamed. They cut off 2 of those workers head.

    Im a Catholic. I pray every day. And i couldnt give a shit if a Muslim burns the Bible. Haven’t they done it many times? It means nothing other than that Muslim being a knobhead.

    The other way around, and its yet again the Westerners fault.

    What is wrong with these people? The UN is rebuilding their country from nothing after the Taliban had banned music, education, tv, art and even bloody kites!

    These people can no longer be allowed to play the victim card. If they do this after some clown burns a book, they dont deserve anything but the Taliban. Get the UN out of Afghanistan and let these people rot.

    This poster should, of course, have been asking what is wrong with CiF/Guardian, but he/she would know that that would be the end of the post.

  3. Sarah Leah, Seaton shouldn’t have posted the poll – because he lost. The vote is now closed and the results are 55.3% in favour of the Koran-burning being an issue of free speech, and “only” 44.7% saying “Yes, it is a provocative blasphemy against others’ beliefs “.

  4. Can’t agree with the “its all our fault, really” tone of much of this post. Sorry.

    Terry Jones, for all his faults, is a free man in a free country, where his freedom is constitutionally protected. He may have been daft, that is a matter of opinion, but if he can’t be free to burn a book, make a video, and then let the world know he has done both, what does freedom mean? It does NOT mean kowtowing to the “what ifs” that the insane might get up to as a result — sorry —- excuse!

    The evil people are the beheaders. Not a free man in a free country.

    Those working for or expecting “democracy” in the Middle East or anywhere else in the less-than-free world will never get it – and ALL IT ENTAILS – by thinking that democracy is only about making their votes count.

    Way to go.

  5. keeptonyblairforpm

    “Can’t agree with the ‘its all our fault, really’ tone of much of this post. Sorry.”

    Ditto.

    Especially not when that tone comes from a pro-Israel writer. Such writers ought to know better. They ought to be aware of the sheer closeness of that tone to the argument we keep hearing from the anti-Israel side: “Of course the murder in Itamar was an awful thing, but when you steal another people’s land…”

    Jones’s action was a waste of time that brings the non-Muslim world no closer to solving its problem with Islam. That’s all I can say against it. Morally speaking, Jones is blameless, the Danish cartoonists are blameless and Israel is blameless; the blame lies squarely with the selfish, intolerant and world-aspiring imperialist-ideology-cum-religion known as Islam. Its adherents, I mean.

  6. keeptonyblairforpm, ziontruth

    Umm – i think you need to reread the article.

    “Among other things, I thought it was about time the dead were at least acknowledged, and the blame laid at the feet of the rioters – not the lunatic pastor”.

    “President Karzai has called on the US to condemn the Koran burning but has issued no statement indicating that he intends to find and punish the murderers”.

    “In all the fuss over this, it seems to me that the press has forgotten to tell us who was killed as a result of this utterly marginal American Christian, if he deserves the appellation, burning a book.

    When Islamism’s adherents believe it is right to murder people because of a cartoon, or a book burning, or anything else they deem an insult, the democratic West needs to stand up and call it out for what it is: reactionary, supremely intolerant and extremely dangerous”.

  7. AKUS,

    It just seems to be the tone, not an explicit statement. A lot of clear-thinking blogs and blog commenters all over have indulged in that tone, of suggesting Jones is like Lara Logan (the reporter who was sexually assaulted in Cairo): Not to blame, of course, but he or she should have known the consequences.

    But if it sounds like I’ve accused you of laying the blame on Jones, then I apologize.

  8. I didn’t know that that halfwit had burned a Koran. Does that mean that there are murderous muslims scanning the world at all times looking for “offence”?

    Do they have no equivalent of “Don’t go looking for trouble”?
    The reason being that you will surely find it.

  9. Ariadne, your answer may be found in several facts about Islam:

    That every good Muslim should emulate his prophet and believe unquestioningly in what is written in the Koran. The Koran is not a book which advocates love and peace.

    That Muslims see the end of days not in the way that Judaeo-Christian belief systems do – they see it as a battle between the House of Islam (Dar ul Islam) and everyone else which they label as Dar ul Harb, the house of war.

    Every devout Muslim is enjoined to hasten the end of days because it will bring about the submission of the world to Islam, and they hasten to do it by causing fitna (discord) between Muslims and kufar and between the kufar themselves.

  10. anneinpt, Matt Seaton has a long history at CiF of getting involved in dodgy decisions, making idiotic posts, mixing it below the line when he should be seen to be impartial. I believe that’s why he was shunted to America, so that he could do little harm there.

    What a mistake to make!

  11. It seems to me that Samuel P Huntington’s clash of civilizations theory stands the test of time pretty well despite all the naysayers and ne’er-do-wells who poo-pooed the very idea.

  12. There should never be any excuse for the conduct of the Aghan murderers and the order not to shoot should be immediately rescinded. So somebody burnt a Koran? OK, so they can burn a Bible. Killing anyone has no justification and if Islamic cxulture considers it justified then that alone is good reason for condemning Islamic culture.

  13. Ariadne – the latest information that I heard via radio in the US is that after Jones posted his video it went unnoticed for four days, so he e-mailed a link to Karzai (sounds improbable, frankly). Anyway, Karzai then got very upset and demanded an apology, and by his publicizing this video created a problem over an act that literally no-one but Jones and few of his best friends were aware of.

  14. lol…i see from their poster that they are fans of inglorious basterds

    me too

    why did we just not nuke that god forsaken place?

  15. AKUS, lol @Karzai! Blame him and the murderers!

    The pastor is a fool. He should leave book-burning to Nazis and Muslims.

    It’s very good that you put names to those poor souls, may they rest in peace. I wonder how long the Nepalese families will have to wait for the terrible news.

  16. Of course the burning of the book was bad. but when you slaughter people over cartoons what do you expect…

  17. Ariadne,

    Fool or no fool, the pastor is an attention-seeking impulsive who did nothing to improve things. No, he didn’t worsen things either, because it’s only a matter of time until Muslim find some trumped-up “grievance” to murder people over. But there was no gain from Jones’s move. All the education the world needed about the Muslims’ extreme thinness of skin was already given by the Danish cartoonists, years ago. Those who learned from that need no further lessons, and those who didn’t learn then probably never will.

    With all that said, and no matter what you think of Jones, it is counterproductive to chastise him for getting people (or even just himself) into trouble. Remember, the list of things you have to do not to rile the Muslims is very long, and it is growing yet longer with each passing year, with each additional percentage of the population the Muslims make in every non-Muslim country. Those who say, “Better to be wise than right” need to know that theirs is a call for surrender, and at the end of this, dispensing with being right finally leads to not being wise either. At the end of this reasoning process, which Israel has insanely pursued since 1993, lies subjugation (God forbid).

  18. ziontruth, I’m not chastising him. Just thinking of book-burning as an act and it has been done here with Salman Rushdie’s book. And I know of only two groups that burn books and I would not like to behave like either. I suppose I reason that I’m not like them.

    I don’t think I mean the kind of reasoning you mean. I mean in relation to the pastor that a Muslim might say “Oh, nasty, but it’s just one stupid man”. Or might the Muslim be unable to say that? It would seem so from what Serendipity said above.

    I don’t see a lot of reason in Israel’s situation. I just see optimism and generosity that is made futile by the Muslim response. I suppose the Oslo agreements were reasoned but could not be met with reason by unreasoning people.

  19. Pres. Karzai was also the one who announced the burning of the Koran to his people which resulted in this frenzy. Now he is looking for us to take action against this “preacher”. He knows that will not be done so he can agitate the ignoranct primative masses further. For many Americans it’s about more than just the reaction of the populous in Afghanistan but about this manipulative corrupt leader and how the US should get the hell out. Why should we endanger our most precious treasure (our young people) for these people?

  20. “Just thinking of book-burning as an act and it has been done here with Salman Rushdie’s book. And I know of only two groups that burn books and I would not like to behave like either. I suppose I reason that I’m not like them.”

    I’m not advocating burning books either (what with today’s zillions of copies of everything, it amounts to nothing but theatrics). However, the moral tenet that we are not like them is dangerous, because it can be and in fact is used against us. For example:

    Christian in America: I don’t want that mosque here.

    Muslim: I have your country’s constitutional right to build a mosque here.

    Christian: Swell. So can I build a church in Mecca?

    Muslim: No, only Muslims and their houses of worship allowed in Mecca.

    Christian: In other words, you can build a mosque in my country while I can’t build a church in yours?! Double standard, anyone?

    Muslim: No, no double standard. My laws don’t permit you to build a church in Mecca, while your laws do permit me to build a mosque in America.

    And there you have the bit-by-bit Islamic conquest of the West in a nutshell.

    In general, we shouldn’t stoop to the Muslims’ level. But when necessity calls for it–when otherwise your very survival would be in jeopardy–it would be immoral to shrink from unusual measures. “We’re better than them” is good when there’s no threat, but when there is, it could end up on your civilization’s epitaph (God forbid).

  21. @ AKUS

    Yes, I did re-read the article. And I did notice that you laid the blame at the right feet at the end.

    But you started with this, and this stuck in my mind:

    “… Terry Jones who even knew that he burned a Koran last week. But thanks to the Internet, this nutcase was able to post a video on the Internet, with Arabic sub-titles, showing him burning a copy of the Koran.

    The result, as we know, was riots in Afghanistan. The rioters in Mazar-e Shari, Afghanistan’s second largest city, left their mosque after the usual anti-Western diatribe delivered weekly from the pulpit there, and, with the assistance of Taliban exploiting the situation, attacked a UN compound killing seven of their employees. ”

    So before we talk about the real nutcases Terry Jones is labelled a “nutcase”.

    I think this is what some of us take exception to.

    The clear implication is that he/we should know better and he/we would never be threatened by jihadists if he/we didn’t upset these brainless, violent fundamentalists.

    Again, sorry, but I think the story needs to lead with our outrage at the killers NOT at a man who burned a book. He didn’t burn a Muslim or behead anyone! FGS, there is no comparision. Yet the article seems to imply a moral equivalence. I also see it as insulting to Muslims – or at least to those Muslims who decry this violence. It’s almost as though we should not expect them to behave like civilised hiuman beings. As though we do not expect any civilised behaviour from them.

    Even here, AKUS, you describe the American pastor as “lunatic”.

    “Among other things, I thought it was about time the dead were at least acknowledged, and the blame laid at the feet of the rioters – not the lunatic pastor”.

    If you are right on this it was not even Terry Jones who is “to blame” for the furore, but Karzai’s complaint about it! Surely, if this is the case, there is a teensy-weensy chance that Karzai advertised, encouraged and used the koran-burning incident and ensuing outrage for his own political purposes?

    “President Karzai has called on the US to condemn the Koran burning but has issued no statement indicating that he intends to find and punish the murderers”.

    And AKUS, just in case we forget, you remind us of the utter marginality of the man who, perhaps, doesn’t deserve the apellation of “Christian”.

    “In all the fuss over this, it seems to me that the press has forgotten to tell us who was killed as a result of this utterly marginal American Christian, if he deserves the appellation, burning a book.

    But you were starting to get it right as you went on:

    “When Islamism’s adherents believe it is right to murder people because of a cartoon, or a book burning, or anything else they deem an insult, the democratic West needs to stand up and call it out for what it is: reactionary, supremely intolerant and extremely dangerous”.”

    A touch slow at coming to this conclusion, might I suggest, AKUS? Some of us noticed that problem when Theo Van Gogh was killed in Amsterdam for making a movie. And that was in 2004.

  22. Jane, why should we?

    ziontruth, I know exactly what you mean but what is to be done?
    For Israel, it’s more obvious but what about the West?

  23. @ ziontruth –

    Beautifully put:
    _____

    “Christian in America: I don’t want that mosque here.

    Muslim: I have your country’s constitutional right to build a mosque here.

    Christian: Swell. So can I build a church in Mecca?

    Muslim: No, only Muslims and their houses of worship allowed in Mecca.

    Christian: In other words, you can build a mosque in my country while I can’t build a church in yours?! Double standard, anyone?

    Muslim: No, no double standard. My laws don’t permit you to build a church in Mecca, while your laws do permit me to build a mosque in America.

    And there you have the bit-by-bit Islamic conquest of the West in a nutshell.

    In general, we shouldn’t stoop to the Muslims’ level. But when necessity calls for it–when otherwise your very survival would be in jeopardy–it would be immoral to shrink from unusual measures. “We’re better than them” is good when there’s no threat, but when there is, it could end up on your civilization’s epitaph (God forbid).”
    _____

    This is the issue, as you say, in a nutshell. Question is – who is holding the nutcracker?

  24. There’s a fine British example of Muslim inadaptability and blindness to others’ rights in the 21/7 failed London bombers.

    Everyone who could be was online that day because a Hercules transport was spotted over central London.

    When the terrorists had been arrested and were being taken out of their flat one was screaming “My rights! My rights!”

  25. An American online friend says she has limited space and often burns piles of old books in her garden. She is now wondering what might happen if her neighbour were Muslim, saw her burning a book that looked like a koran, and complained … or worse.

    She also asks – what happens to old holy books and korans in Islamic lands? Do they keep them forever and bury them with their owners? Or WHAT? A practical thought-provoking question.

  26. “I know exactly what you mean but what is to be done?
    For Israel, it’s more obvious but what about the West?”

    What’s the big difference? In both cases we’re talking about people under assault in their own homeland, no? I suspect the solutions are the same, but I’m not sure, and whatever the case it’s not for me to tell other nations what to do. The only advice I can give is the same as what I call for my state to go by: Multiculturalism should be abandoned, and the state needs to become its nation’s castle.

  27. Actually, it begins to look as if Karzai was even more to blame than I thought.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/in-the-koran-burning-protests-karzai-provacateur-or-pacifier/2011/04/04/AFtfmYdC_story.html

    But many U.S. and other Western officials in Afghanistan say Karzai has played a more damaging role. They say that his initial statement condemning Jones four days after the March 20 Koran burning was provocative and that it informed many Afghans of an event that was not widely known and helped mobilize public anger toward the United States.

    Throughout the crisis, Karzai has repeatedly pushed the issue, calling for Jones’s prosecution, even though the burning of holy books is not a crime in the United States, and for Congress to join in his condemnation.

    As soon as Karzai issued his initial public condemnation, said one NATO official in Kabul, “you knew that this could really be bad.”

    Afghan and Western sources spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the politically sensitive episode frankly.

    The episode has revealed again the divide between Karzai and the West, a gulf of mistrust and acrimony that poses a serious challenge to success in Afghanistan. Repeated public confrontations with him over issues of corruption, governance and the role of the foreign militaries have tested Western patience. In many ways, these difficult past few years have denied Karzai the benefit of the doubt among his Western partners.

  28. ziontruth, Israel could annul Oslo – or wait for Abbas’s shenanigans to nullify it – and decide to annex whatever is really needed.

    Britain is slowly concluding that multiculturalism doesn’t work but we do have the teeming millions here and Muslims are not the ones whose rights are diminishing though their privileges might be.

  29. keeptonyblairforpm,

    “This is the issue, as you say, in a nutshell. Question is — who is holding the nutcracker?”

    The nutcracker is whoever manages to dislodge the Cultural Marxists’ stranglehold over the media (the shapers of “correct opinion”) and education (the planters of a new generation of “correct-thinking” operatives).

    You’ll find sane leaders easily enough; the hard part is to remove the source of their fear to act, which is the aforementioned media and education. That’s how Israel keeps being dragged into bone-headed capitulations despite the massive shift to the right of the 2000s. He who holds the media and education can maintain virtual rule over a country even when not in actual power.

  30. Karzai is a corrupt leader, the US has known about this a long time, but prefers the devil they know…..but maybe not, this time. He has been playing both ends to the middle for a long time. Karzai is counting on the Afghani masses who have little to no concept of free speech to continue to protest. It is unclear what his endgame, he needs the US to prop up his regime as he has no legitimacy outside of the capital, so if the US leaves his entire regime will collapse? or maybe he has a new benefactor?

    It seems that barely 1/3 of the people of Afghanistan are literate and what constitutes literacy is a third grade reading level! The sum total of knowledge for 2/3 the population is the mullahs Koran narrative, thats what, the 7th/8th century (scary). They can’t read the book that they protest so adamantly about! The US is wasting it’s time and resources.

    There was a 60 Minutes segment interviewing the former US Ambassador for the mission in Afghanistan Peter Gailbraith who basically stated it will take over 100 years or three educated generations to develop a functional civil society not riddled with primitive belief & corruption. I’m paraphrasing of course he actually wasn’t quite so PC

    Keeptonyblairforpm
    Since Dearborn, Michigan (largest muslim presence in US)is peaceful, I very much doubt your online friend has anything to worry about….think the onliner is a being a bit over the top.

  31. Astute and perceptive analysis. Shame that the Western intelligentsia and movers and shakers do not dare to tell the truth or are just plain blind. Burning a book is not the end of the world, a book is not created in the ‘image of God’ unlike a human. However the media does not seem to get that major point. A book no matter how revered is not comparable to human life. I am a Christian Zionist and frankly I would not like someone burning a copy of the Bible however I would not hate nor do violence to anyone who did that. Personally I could never follow Islam because of the hatred and intolerance which is so easily whipped up and even worse acted upon with murder and murder and more murders ensuing. It is time for people to question all the hatred and the pre medieval barbarity that is the norm when perceived offences occur.

  32. Do you really think “Islam is the religion telling to make war”?? I am a Muslim. I don’t live in other Muslim countries. I live in Turkey. Islam is not such a thing as most of you think. If many catholics or other religion’s supporters behave opposed to their religion and kill many people, as a Muslim I cannot blame the whole supporters of those religions making the same crime!!! In our religious book, you can see “killing a person is forbidden.” It is only the Allah-God for us who can give and take back that life back. As human beings we don’t have such rights. I can’t even kill an insect. That’s not fair to blame all the Muslims due to the fact that only some people, who are calling themselves as Muslims but they are absolutely NOT!!! I cannot humiliate and blame any supporter of any religion. Please just think logically… I am not a terrorist!! We-real Muslims- are not terrorists.. There are even some cruel people among your religions who are not behaving according to right values… Just look at the Qur’an and try to grasp what is written there… “It is completely forbidden to kill any living creature”.. just look at those lines from our book “Let us look at Noble Verse 25:68 “Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; – and any that does this (not only) meets punishment.” In this Noble Verse we clearly see that Allah Almighty considers the innocent soul “sacred”. He will punish those who kill the innocent souls (by throwing them in hell).” and if you really want to learn what my religion tells about killing people just click and read.. you will find out!! http://www.answering-christianity.com/no_murder.htm —by the way i am so ashamed of those who are killing many people and who they claim they are Muslims.. They are NOT.. REALLY NOT!!!—

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