Almost half of all Palestinians support murdering Jews inside 1949 armistice lines

Horrible etc.

But this government could help things like making a serious effort to achieve a final peace settlement with the P.A. e.g. firing the clown Lieberman.

zkharya: find out about the restrictions of the Israeli parliamentary system before you make politically absurd suggestions. Your proposal would lead to upsetting the coalition and plunging Israel once more into an expensive and pointless election the result of which might be even less to your taste. The Israeli voter is not going to vote for left wing parties when the Palestinians are clearly not interested in meeting our peace proposals.

Ah, yes. “The clown Lieberman”. A favourite demonization myth of the Israeli left, widely taken up by the liberal western and US media. If you actually care, why not read Lieberman’s speeches, especially the ones where he points out the rank hypocrisy of EU visiting grandees, who come finger-wagging to push their own (it’s all about staying onside with the oil producers) agendas, delivered always as humanitarian concerns about Palestinians as innocent victims?

It’s no accident that Lieberman’s popularity has soared in Israel, including with people who see themselves as lifelong socialists:

If the conversations I’ve had in the last few days are indicative of the mood of the country outside of the ‘liberal’ central beltway then Lieberman’s “tell it like it is” approach and his standing up against American demands is winning him a great deal of support or at least respect. Because those conversations I had were with people inside the liberal central beltway and nearly everyone I spoke with made comments like, “I can’t believe I’m agreeing with Lieberman,” and “I’m embarrassed to say it, but Lieberman…” This is coming from “people who were formerly known as Labour voters.”

It is an interesting phenomenon to say the least. The mere mention of Lieberman’s name used to elicit a gag reflex, snorts of ‘fascist,’ and so forth from these same people (me included). It is not, let me be clear, that these people are suddenly becoming Lieberman voters. If the election were held today, it would not be Israel Our Home they’d cast their votes for (including me). But he’s gained enough respect that the gag reflex is gone. Derision and mockery do not drip with the pronunciation of his name. The political climate here has well and truly changed. The policies of the Obama administration have allowed Lieberman’s star to start to rise. These folks aren’t Lieberman supporters now but could they be in the future? Yeah, depending on how things play out, I would not put it beyond the realm of possibility. Because 5 years ago, I’d never have thought it possible that the Labour party would simply implode and hurl its supporters as far to the right as has happened. Right now Lieberman is giving voice to what most people are thinking regarding the (non-existent) peace negotiations, the Obama demands, and the Palestinian actions. He’s tapping into resentment over the Obama administration’s strong-arming tactics and bad treatment. And that is giving him a legitimacy I’d never have considered possible.

And I wish i had a pound for every so called politically correct right on socialist who I’ve seen mocking Lieberman because–shock! horror!–he used to work as a bouncer.

thanks HairShirt.

http://www.palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=157&doc_id=3448

The so called Misgav am heroes killed one of my friends’ father infront of his eyes.

He was only four.

An even closer friend of mine from Misgav Am who was also 4 and in the same bomb shelter that cold rainy night in 1980 have shrapnal all over his body and face after those heros lobbed a granade to kill the children when the Sayeret tried to break into the bomb shelter.

Heroes.
More like losers and ethnic cleansers wannabes.

I ended on the wrong thing there:

I believe in keeping most settlements, especially the suburbs of Jerusalem. I even believe in the possibility of redrawing the borders to include extremely Palestinian nationalist Arab Israelis.

But Lieberman, by his clownish, malicious attempts to grandstand, for his own political gain, in fron the United Nations, FFS, and undermine the position of his own prime minister has made that LESS LIKELY, not more.

zkharya,

“Horrible etc. But…”

Oh. My. Gosh.

Reaction to a poll showing that almost half the Phakestinians are genocidal maniacs: “Horrible et cetera.” Like, as if, “I condemn it as per obligation, but now that I’ve gotten that out of my way…”

“But this government could help things like making a serious effort to achieve a final peace settlement”

A poll shows that almost half the Phakestinians are genocidal maniacs, but the onus is on Israel to achieve a final peace settlement. The genocidal mania of the other side? Brush it under the carpet, hoping it doesn’t surface one day.

I have nothing but contempt for the likes of you.

“I think he [Lieberman] is the number one existential threat to Israel, right now.”

Unreal. Simply unreal.

You’re the perfect illustration of what’s wrong with Jewish leftists both in Israel and abroad.

OFF TOPIC but…..

Has anyone looked at the CIF thread by Raji Khalidi. Perhaps this site or some other force is making inroads! I would have dropped my teeth if they weren’t rooted in my mouth……

The Cif moderator came on BTL and wrote (shock,awe)….. this place is to discuss trade between between Israel/Palestine “not a dumping ground for endless generic opinions about the I/P conflict. Off topic comments will be removed. Cheers”(sarcasm?)

The thread was closed shortly thereafter….As to how well it was actually moderated thats another story, but a moderator with an attitude, wow.

@Rob Miller
From the survey itself it seems the Palestinians do support Israel as a Jewish state despite what their leaders are saying!
49.4% to 48.4% support Israel as a Jewish state in an agreement!
Trying to remember all those articles saying how horrible it would be to ask that they would seems like the Palestinians themselves don’t mind it so much.

There is a proposal that after the establishment of an independent Palestinian state and the settlemnet of all issues in dispute, including the refugees and Jerusalem issues, there will be a mutual recognition of Israel as the state of the Jewish people and Palestine as the state of the Palestinians people. Do you agree or disagree to this proposal?
Certainly agree 5.7%
Agree 43.7%
Disagree 35.4%
Certainly Disagree 13%

That question from the poll as cited as Alex:

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49) There is a proposal that after the establishment of an independent
Palestinian state and the settlemnet of all issues in dispute, including the
refugees and Jerusalem issues, there will be a mutual recognition of Israel
as the state of the Jewish people and Palestine as the state of the
Palestinians people. Do you agree or disagree to this proposal?

5.7 1) Certainly agree
43.7 2) Agree
35.4 3) Disagree
13.0 4) Certainly Disagree
2.2 5) DK/NA

##

Ta for the link, Adam.

“No comment necessary”??

Well – except your own sensationalist “support murdering Jews” headline and no mention of the rest of the poll.

Are you sure this website is about anti-Semitism on CiF?

‘There are far greater threats to Israel than Liberman.’

OK.

But he is one that potentially Israel could do more about.

One can always change oneself more than the other. That is the value of self-criticism and self-examination, and why it is often necessarily more rigorous than that of the other.

I do not say that in the hypocritical sense of ‘Israel is a western state, so we should expect more it’, while assiduously working to demonise Zionism and a Jewish state.

I know the loyalty oath is kind of superfluous, and actually represents a kind of defeat for the YB extremists.

I think that Lieberman is doing immense damage to Israel abroad by being allowed to run riot. And I think he is seriously interfering with Netanyahu’s strategy to pursue peace with the P.A. Which is likely the last one, ever.

On the strategic front, I think the firing of the excellent Gabi Ashkenazi, a soldier’s soldier, and a master of the possible, is also a very serious mistake. The wrong people are being rewarded and penalized.

Also, Judy, for it is worse (not much, given my frequent lapses), I shouldn’t have called you an ‘idiot’.

I was prepared to cut Lieberman a lot of slack, not least because, frankly, as to appearances, he is very unfortunate. And I hated saying anti-Israel activists using that in an antisemitic manner i.e. casting him in the role of Fagin, in national form, write large.

However, when he also began to behave in an objectionable manner, then, frankly, I couldn’t defend him any more.

Jane Schlitz – I think that CW has had an effect on CiF.

They are more careful about the content of the articles since we have ripped them apart on simple factual errors, they relegated Harriet Sherwood, who appears to be a simpleton, to running back and forth between Gaza and the WB rather than allowing her to copy pages from Israeli papers and present them on CiF as news, etc.

And now they may be starting to control the various drones and trolls who endlessly repost the same garbage on the threads – RaymondDelauney, JRuskin/Moeran, papalagi, Berchmans, etc.

pretzelberg,

“obviuosly within the context of the conflict.”

So that makes it OK, then.

Looks like I’m going to use that word once again: Unreal.

“You’re talking nonsense.”

The likes of you, voices of reason no doubt, said the same 70 years ago. But they had their excuse in that it was unprecedented. You don’t have that excuse.

zkharya,

“I don’t really expect better of the enemy.”

Aha. But you expect Israel to be better than such an enemy.

George Orwell had you leftist pacifists nailed: Even if that is not the intention, the end result is your attitude aids and abets the world’s greatest monsters.

“If Israel came to an agreement with the PA, endorsed by the US, then, against existential threats, Palestinian, Arab, Iranian or otherwise, Israel would have much more room to manoeuvre, politically.”

You been asleep through the 20th century or just plain ignorant about it? Agreements are pieces of paper to be waved on the tarmac one day, and to be shredded on the next.

The PA doesn’t call the shots. Hamas is favored because they cater better to the will of the man in the Arab street. What does the man in the Arab street want? He wants, as this poll shows, a massacre. You and Pretzelberg don’t wish it to be true. You are, consciously or not, wedded to the Humanist idea that humans are basically good, that evil humans are but a vocal aberration. I’m not wedded to that misconception. I go with HaShem in believing (Genesis 8:21) that humans are naturally inclined toward evil, therefore such results from a poll are no surprise. It’s not the leaders but the grassroots among the Arabs and Muslims who want us gone (God forbid). Willing executioners.