Possible Burning of One Koran; Definite Burning of One Million News Stories

Now I’m not going to say that burning a koran is a good idea or needs to be done or say it should be done. In fact I’d come out against it, simply on the basis of books shouldn’t be burned, idologies have to be dealt with etc etc.

That isn’t the issue though.

The issue is how people can be bullied into giving up their Rights even if in this case its his Right to be stupid.

Muslim “rage” isn’t a reason to do or not do something, that just feeds into the bullying of others.

In fact one can say that one of the most upsetting things about Israel to the muslims is that she doesn’t give a damn about their so-called rage or so-called street.

I agree with both of you.
There is no need to burn these books and burning books brings back stories from my father’s childhood.

Saying that, every Muslim should come to terms that a book does not feel, or is not a god.
Allah or God is something believers should look for even if the book is long gone.
The book is nothing but a guide.
Do you want to tell me you might not figure out how to work your plasma screen once you threw away the guide?

This materialism and collective punishment by the Muslim societies by large is something their leaders need addressing at the same time as condemming this nutty pastor’s move.

His actions are exactly the same as the flottila actions.
Provocations.
The big difference is that while Israel is being provoced time and time again they act harshly but try and limit the response.
The Muslim world is being mildly provoced and whole hell breaks loose.
Iranian ministers blame Israel (or Zionists), flags of whole nations are being burnt and nuns are being murdered as well as other passers by.

As for the world’s response:

From the widely circulated Metro:

“Downing st condemnedthe pastor’s plans yesterday. ‘We would strongly oppose any attempt to offend any member of any religious or ethnic group. We are commited to religious tolerance’, said the prime miister’s spokesman.”

I fail to see what actions or words has the British government commited against the vile Antisemitic cartoons and words being published daily on national papers.
This is nothing but a lie and words of people who are running scared.
The extremist Muslims sense this fear, like a hound sniffing a fox, and will mount even more preasure getting nearer and nearer to their goal of collapsing this establishment to anarchy from which a civil war can begin.

Further on the Metro:

“Mohammed Shafiq, the chief executive of the Ramadhan Foundation in Britain also criticised the ‘vile action’.” No action has yet taken place!

“He said: ‘With freedom of choice comes responsability and we call on the US government to take urgent action to stop this racist bigot.’ …In Afghanistan, hundreds burned a US flag and chanted ‘Death to the Christians’.”

Where is your reponsability mr. Shafiq when muslims when your comunities issue Fatwas against law abinding citizens? When British Muslims and their leaders incite hatred against Jews and Israeli civilians alike?

Silence is what we hear from you regarding this matter.

And why did you call the Pastor ‘racist’?
Are Muslims a race now?
Do you have evidence to suggest he is racist?

And why did you not condemn those chanting death to the ‘Christians’ as opposing to death to Terry Jones?

Someone likes to point out responsabilities of leaders (such as foundations chief executives) when it suits them!

This is a vile act.

And what about Mullah Omar’s (the shady Taliban leader) end of Ramadan message: ‘The victory of our Islamic nation over the invading infidels is now imminent.’

Some one should send Omar, Nassrallah, Haniya and co a dictionary that translates “Victory”.

These words remind me a certain Nasser back in 67…

Jones is clearly a loon and also an attention seeker. But as AKUS points out: it’s only because the global media cirucs got rolling on this that such a non-event made the headlines.

Gerald,

These people should learn to read to begin with.

Keeping cool will follow…

ItsikdeWembley, “…The extremist Muslims sense this fear, like a hound sniffing a fox, and will mount even more preasure getting nearer and nearer to their goal of collapsing this establishment to anarchy from which a civil war can begin…”

Spot on. And also spot on about the double standards which are ever present. And your reference to Shafiq’s reaction illustrates precisely the “I believe it therefore it is true” reaction that I wrote about elsewhere on this blog.

And we are in big trouble if we allow them to get away with this deluded behaviour.

Nice idea Serendipity.

They could make a very large bonfire with Q IX 29 alone.

AKUS, I know very little about this pastor, other than the rubbish I have heard and seen in the MSM, and I am inclined to believe even less.

I can understand and very readily identify with your aversion on principle to book-burning, which I share, but let’s for one moment apply the same rule to this pastor’s proposed actions as is applied day in to day out to Islamist atrocities and excesses of violent acting out throughout the world – that Muslims are frustrated, that they are oppressed, and that therefore they cannot help themselves but run amok. How come they get excused and absolved from all guilt and blame for what they do and this man does not? Where are the people trying to understand where he is coming from, whether or not they agree with what he proposes? Why is not this encroaching Islamisation being advanced and taken seriously as an excuse for this pastor’s actions in the same way as racism and colonialism is advanced by Islamists as an excuse for theirs? Has this Christian man the sort of exaggerated sense of entitlement as Faisal Rauf? Does he want to spread his own peculiar da’wah throughout the world? No! Faisal Rauf does!

The very consideration, much less the construction, of a mosque near Ground Zero is an insult to the dead of 9/11 and their loved ones, and yet no-one has thought to make this clear to Rauf and his supporters. We get no indication that these people are even aware, much less care, that that they are causing such offence. And the Cordoba Project is not just a mosque/”cultural centre” – it is a triumphalist Muslim project, and the site will become Muslim territory and any attempt to dismantle it in future will be met with violence, because shariah does not allow Muslims to give up territory to kufar.

One reason is because we in the West are used to cultural and religious pluralism and freedoms, to “living and letting live” provided that others don’t do us harm. It is natural therefore for us to assume that, because we tend not to mean harm to others, those others will not do us harm either. We are inclined to give the benefit of the doubt. We are not equipped emotionally and psychologically to deal with a swarm of people whose supremacist mindset predisposes them towards imposing their will on us, at first by scheming manipulation and then by force if that manipulation is not successful. By “force” I mean first the threats of violence and then actual violence if the UK governments and now the US government do not acquiesce to their increasingly outrageous demands.

You ask where the phobic avoidance of giving (real and more often than not imagined) offence to Muslims will end.

It will not and we will reap the whirlwind unless we deal with it soon. Powerful governments which claim to uphold the human rights of all their citizens are behaving like parents who are afraid of the temper tantrums of their toddlers, whenever Muslims act out or even threaten to do so. These governments do the equivalent of buying off their screaming children with candies and treats rather than setting firm boundaries about acceptable behaviour.

The result is that the “toddlers” ride roughshod over everyone and grow up to be thugs who have never acquired socially-acceptable behaviours. They cannot perceive that others’ needs are at least as important as theirs, since only theirs are important.

As we are seeing now.

Interesting points, Mitnaged. I perceive the hold that angry Muslims have over Western societies as the emotional equivalent of a protection racket

Mitnaged

And the Cordoba Project is not just a mosque/”cultural centre” – it is a triumphalist Muslim project

In what sense “triumphalist”?

In re: to the building of the community center/prayer room within a short two blocks of Ground Zero, one issue not addressed frequently but in the minds of people who work downtown is that there is no muslim community in this area! Makes the push for this center even more suspect for those who already oppose it. The prayer rooms that exist are for the vendors/merchants/workers who commute to work and go home to Brooklyn, Queens, New Jersey every night. Since this is more a commercial area, the place is empty on weekends! Protests from either side have been easy on weekends, nothing to intefere with….

The mosque that does exist which has been used in defense of this construction is not in this community, anyone familiar with NYC, Manhattan in particular knows that communities change block to block. For example, Chinatown is lliterally around the corner from Little Italy and are two very distinctive places.

The project is indeed suspect, and I suspect that Rauf wants it there to rub Americans’ nose in it. (Pretzelberg, there’s a clue here about what is triumphalist in Rauf’s proposal).

Also sinister, I believe, is that among the (mis)information being fed to the media (aided and abetted by Faisal Rauf’s wife (and that has to be a first) I heard that the backers have turned down Donald Trump’s excessively generous offer to pay them jeziyah to build the mosque elsewhere. If that is true it does tie in with the stubborn inability of this shower to back down because that would make them look impotent, but also because perhaps rather more is at stake here than is immediately evident.

These are heartless and inhuman people who deserve to be given no quarter. Their conduct in this gives us clear example of how they construe the rest of us in relation to them, of how little sympathy they have for the bereaved and how little respect they have for the dead. There is no indication that Faisal Rauf has once considered the sensibilities of the families and friends of those who died at Ground Zero. Had he done so, he would not have gone ahead with this. That he continues even when it is made blatantly obvious to him shows him to be an inhuman apology for a person, totally lacking in humanity or grace.

No, (and listen up Pretzelberg, this might inform you) he wants to make a point about the supremacy of Islam by trampling the wishes of the people of New York underfoot.

I hope that the crowd tomorrow exceeds all expectations. I wish I could be there. There should have been Solidarity rallies throughout the world.

@ Serendipity

Of course I was well aware of that when posting – and that is indeed a massive difference to how some are interpreting the Koran.

Or (“how to appear”) mad Deborah Fink wailing still other alternative Christmas carols about how Israel is so beleaguered by the likes of people like Deborah Fink and the JfJfP.

And the earth is flat, the moon is made of green cheese and all pigs are fueled and ready to fly….