Almost exactly 4 years ago, a conflict ignited on the Lebanese-Israeli border when Hezbollah terrorists attacked an Israeli border patrol convoy, which led to a 30 day war between the Jewish state and the Iranian backed terror group. I watched it unfold on CNN, as well as on the local news – reports suggesting that Israel was intentionally killing Lebanese civilians in its response to the provocation.
That narrative was a usual one when discussing wars involving Israel and Arabs despite that, by this time, we have seen the Coalition invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq unfold and have seen the tactics deployed by Jihadists seeking martyrdom. As a matter of course, they were hiding behind civilians, civilian structures, and even dressed like civilians when ambushing American, Canadian and British soldiers who were seeking out the enemy among an undeniably unfortunate civilian population.
Yet when Israel responded to the kidnappings and rocket barrages of Hezbollah, the media reported Hezbollah casualties as “civilians”. Each day, 100, 200, 300 “Lebanese civilians” died while Hezbollah declared (and the media reported) that they lost 3 or 5 fighters on a given day. It sounded insane. I recall one report near the end of the war which stated that Israel lost 138 soldiers, but killed 1200 Lebanese civilians, while Hezbollah lost 15 fighters. No sane person would believe such nonsense so why, I asked myself, was this on the news.
Something seemed out of tune here. Something seemed really wrong with that picture.
Like many of us, 9/11 changed me. I was always aware of terrorism and radical Islam but starting that day, I entered the online world of news and commentary, and discovered scholars, experts and personalities who‘s work probably did not matter as much on September 10, 2001. During those long nights sitting at the computer reading people like David Horowitz, Robert Spencer and Steven Emerson, to name a few, I plunged into a new world. A world where I have discovered issues and conflicts similar to the ones my father told me about when he was growing up during WWII. One of those issues was anti-Semitism and persecution of Jews. Not long after the attacks on New York and Washington, conspiracy theories were spreading that Jews were the actual culprits and Israel was the one benefiting from this and that Bush was under the control of a Jewish cabal and as such needed to declare a war on Muslims.
I found these ideas so silly that I laughed at them and assumed nobody could possibly believe such nonsense. I was wrong. Many have, and many more believed other, even crazier, conspiracy theories. I also realized that these 9/11 Jewish conspiracies were not created in a vacuum but were the culmination of a long and steady effort of demonizing Israel and the Jewish people, which started before I really cared to notice. The internet was always a crazy place. Conspiracy theories were all over it for years. How those ideas managed to find themselves in mainline publications was the question I needed answering.
In 2006 when the Lebanon war coverage was taking up most of the afternoons on CNN, and occupied most of the space on the popular blogs (which I read but never commented on seeing no real purpose to do so), I read a couple of articles and exposes on the Guardian and its comments section which was, according to these reports, filled with anti-Semitic conspiracy theories and Islamist propaganda. In fact I recall the Guardian being in the news when it was revealed that CiF contributor Inayat Bunglavala had praised Osama Bin Laden.
During the start of the Lebanon war, I started to read the blog of the Guardian, called ‘Comment is Free’. I was curious to find out what the fuss was about as much was written about CiF on American Blogs, exposing the often explicit anti-Semitism and, at times, apparent sympathy for terrorist movements.
What I found was more than I could have ever bargained for. Comments about the inhumanity of Jewish fighters during the 1948 war, and even rhetoric about the “savagery” of the Jewish fighters during the Warsaw Ghetto uprising (according to SS officers) caught my eye. This was a rude awakening.
What I saw was the complete and perfect merger of anti-Israel rhetoric with old anti-Semitic tropes. It was like reading a magazine from 1936 Germany but instead of “Jew”, “Zionist” and “Israeli” were the descriptive words.
“Israel is stealing water from Palestinians”, “Israel is polluting Palestinian terrorizes…Zionists control the media …Israel is killing children as a matter of course and Israel is stealing money from the Palestinians. Old anti-Semitic tropes of the “Jew poisoning the well”, “The Jew killing our children…” “The Jew embezzling the collective wealth” and the Jew controlling our leaders and armies.
What I also discovered was that the articles in CiF seemed to inspire such comments, as the tropes they employed inevitably led their readers down a path of hate and vitriol. Much like when one starts to learn to swim or ride a bicycle, they held onto these ideas, not crossing ideological lines which commenters were ready to cross, who were merely following the direction of the writer – who then could wash his/her hands of bigotry knowing that the nastiness was taken up by someone else under the cover of anonymity.
What I concluded was that the Guardian was incubating what Melanie Phillips called the ‘New anti-Semitism” It was also incubating the alliance between the radical Left and Islamism.
Now I understood the power of comments sections. Before I never really cared, as I thought they were just a new version of ‘letters to the editor’. Now I understood what they could be used for. They often served as a gateway between the mainstream media and the conspiracy peddlers – bigots inspired by “respectable” writers who would advance tropes which carefully skirted around the edges of acceptable commentary.
We have since covered, and exposed, many examples of this phenomenon during the last year on CiF Watch. We commented on the Guardian’s defense of Saddam Hussein. We demonstrated how they attempted to defend the comments of Mahmoud Ahmadinejad – arguing that he didn’t actually call for Israel to be “wiped off the map” – and make excuses for, or rationalize, the malicious propaganda which not only was targeting Israel and Jews, but also America and the West.
I am still posting on CiF. Came close to being banned and do not expect to stay much longer. During that first summer, I felt almost alone in the sea of hate. A part of me enjoyed my contrarian position and I felt that at least this asymmetric situation will make me a better debater and will sharpen my mind.
However I wasn’t alone. There were others there on my side. I slowly started to watch out for kindred spirits who, like me, were immersed in a sea of hate and posting relentlessly in attempts to debunk the nasty and hateful posts which were attempting to spread such vile ideas.
It was on one of those days that I was invited to communicate with another poster who was part of a small group of commenters always re-appearing under moniker after moniker after having been banned by CiF moderators apparently more concerned about towing the ideological line, and defending their writers, than monitoring the hate speech appearing on their blog.
We assisted each other by alerting one other when a thread was open, and we helped each other in the many side debates which occurred between ourselves and posters attacking us. We were never part of, or working on behalf of, any government or non government agency, though we were continuously accused of it. Those accusations came not only from lunatic posters obsessed with Israeli spies infiltrating their sacred lair, but also by editors like Brian Whitaker who accused posters defending Israel of being part of a conspiracy.
Slowly our group grew and around late 2007, I suggested that we create our own blog and expose the Guardian for what it is – an incubator of radical Leftist apologists for radical Islam and the snake pit of the new anti-Semitism.
The first person to respond was Medusa. She said, “I would write for it.” Others joined in the discussion and the idea morphed into this watch site. Those discussions took a long time, as most of us being Jewish, just could not agree on a format which could address the issues all of us, liberals, conservatives, religious and secular cared about – which says quite a bit about the merit of Jewish conspiracy theories.
The only common denominator was the moderation policy – and radical slant of the Guardian which we found to be a nesting place for anti-Semitism as well as a conduit through which such toxic ideas, typically the domain of extremist groups, end up in main stream political discourse.
This idea was tossed around and we decided to launch CiF Watch after Hawkeye and AKUS joined the original group of Medusa, Louise, Peter, Omar and Yours truly. The reason it became CiF Watch, and not something else, was due to the moderation at CiF, which we tried to influence with letters and meetings to no avail. That was what motivated all of us and that was what the Guardian promised to improve – but clearly failed to do.
The anti-Semitism kept coming, as did the rhetoric which clearly fostered it. And, the stories were sometimes accompanied by simply vicious cartoons – imagery which could have appeared in Der Stürmer 70 years ago.

This cartoon, by Steve Bell was published in the Guardian in 2009 to commemorate the 20th anniversary of the fall of the Berlin Wall,
We kept going back to threads and posted, on our new blog, nasty comments from CiF, which survived CiF moderation as well as those comments which exposed the hatred and bigotry at CiF, which the moderators subsequently deleted.
“Why was this deleted” became like the obituary section of our “publication” as it kept being filled with reasonable posts calling out anti-Semitism or factual errors in Guardian pieces. It was also voluminous like a major city newspaper obituary section.
What did the Guardian do?
Well they thanked us for assisting in their moderation.
Ironic as, according to them, we were fast becoming an unpaid moderation service for them.
That would have been tedious and boring and serving them not us so we embarked on a more aggressive task to writing pieces about the stories the Guardian manipulates to serve its agenda – and ended up becoming reporters in the process.
We have covered rallies for Hamas where we exposed Jew haters singing Christmas carols and covered press conferences by the IDF during the Flotilla incident.
In the process of writing and researching our pieces we have learned a lot about the people inhabiting the Guardian world. Some of the stuff we dug up even shocked us, though we had no illusions going into this in the first place. We have exposed a totally incompetent editorial board, where editors and contributors often behave like the nasty critters who inhabited their comments section. We have exposed blood libels on organ harvests, Israel allegedly arming South Africa with nuclear weapons, poisoning Arab children, and unmasked supporters of terrorism and Islamic supremacy who were writing pieces decrying their victim status in the “Islamophobic world”: The Guardian continually attempts to smear people who stand up to the most dangerous ideologies.
We have shown that it isn’t all about comments but an effort by a major, some call international, paper to de-legitimize Israel, the Jewish people’s right to self-determination, and unwittingly advancing the interests of extremists.
We have also learned a great deal about the stories themselves and learned – as we weren’t journalists but, rather, professionals from different fields – that journalism is a trade practiced with varying degrees of competency, and that what we encounter in our daily paper, in what passes for professional journalism, is often just propaganda or really, really bad reporting.
What was most painful to discover was the way the Guardian uses Jewish contributors to advance its anti-Israel narrative, and inoculate them from charges of anti-Semitism.
Writers were at the ready to deny the prevalence of the world’s oldest of hatred as soon as an incident made the news – such as Richard Silverstein, who actually suggested that Israel was to blame for the Mumbai attacks. It is one thing to discover Jonathan Cook being featured on David Duke’s website and quite another to read a Jew advancing tropes based on classic Jewish conspiracy theories.
The Guardian is not alone in this. The anti-Semitism of the 21st Century has infected the political left on both sides of the pond. The Daily Kos and Huffington Post are very similar in their comment sections, again proving that anti-Semitism is once again hip and mainstream as long as it is directed against the Jew of Nations, Israel.
Though, it needs to be said that often they don’t even bother with the Israel/Zionist label anymore. One can see, when looking through a Huffington thread, that Jews “this” and Jews “that” are back in full force.
Perhaps the most gratifying aspect of this often depressing endeavour is seeing other so-called “Watch sites” appears. Now Huffington and others need to take extra care, as they are also, a bit more frequently, exposed for harboring and providing license to such hate.
One may ask how we deal with this all day and every day. It must be boring and discouraging going through threads fishing for hate and bigotry. I admit that it is.
This is why we try not to take ourselves too seriously and inject humour, when possible, to lighten up. That has become another facet of who we are. We love a good laugh and we especially love pointing out when our opponents’ commentary is blatantly hypocritical or even, at times, just plain ludicrous. They are so often such perfect targets of ridicule – such perfect self-parodies – that we chuckle all the way through writing a piece or researching some character.
In one year we have arisen from nothing – the proverbial business operating out of our parent’s basement – to become a leading watch site. We have attracted many Guardian readers and have offered a mirror debate for threads which some could no longer participate in for having been banned by CiF. We have attracted reputable writers and contributors and have been featured in some of the leading pro-Israel mainstream blogs. We have been praised and vilified and we have been complimented and threatened with law suits.
It’s been an exciting ride and we are (quite unfortunately) confident that the Guardian will not cease to provide us with more goodies to denounce, debunk, dispel or mock. The news continues and the stories are and will be bountiful.
The story which, for me, started with 9/11 and re-booted during the 2006 Lebanon war is still continuing. The Guardian still routinely vilifies Israel and America. We are mere little hell demons for now but our wings and horns are growing. They blamed America for 9/11, Israel for anti-Semitism and now are defending Iran’s nuclear program. We will keep exposing their BS and we promise to keep our readers informed and give them a platform to speak their minds and discuss issues – allowing them to comment freely.
Special thanks to Adam Levick for taking up the task of being the only fully exposed face of our group. We often wish to emerge from our of anonymity but, unlike our subjects, we are not paid to do this and need to make a living elsewhere. We are looking forward to our second year, we have shed our diapers and started to walk. We are happy that CiF Watch is clearly growing – both in terms of our web traffic, and our editorial scope – and are happy to see a unity of sorts between people who otherwise would be at different ends of the political spectrum. The Guardian managed to unite secular socialists with Ayn Rand individualists. That’s quite a feat, I must say.
Happy Birthday CiF Watch! And, thanks to everyone who assisted, supported and promoted us. You know who you are and we know who you are. If there is a birthday wish to blow the candle with, it would be that we should no longer be necessary. This is, however, quite wishful thinking.
See you a year from now with another summary of events.
The Alchemist








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August 26, 2010 at 8:47 pm
Steven
That was really well written and I completely associate with your story – apart from the CiF Watch part. For me the Cartoon riots was also a major motivating event, as well as the 7/7 attacks and a few more. I think that there are more of us battling the tides out there. I really wish that we all got together in a central meeting place so we could all connect and support one another even more. Keep up the good work.
August 26, 2010 at 9:28 pm
AKUS
A good summary of what we have tried – and in large part succeeded – to accomplish here.
Unlike you, I stumbled over CiF by accident, tripping over one of Seth Freedman’s foul articles – I simply could not believe what I was reading, and my initial comments were a fruitless attempt to deal rationally with the utter irrational fantasy land he was creating in the minds of other in those days when two or three times a week he would pour our his invective and Nazi analogies, to the cheers of the faithful.
But I think both the Guardian and some of its faithful have learned that there is a price to pay for lies, exaggerations, and the filth they pour out almost daily – we catch them at it, and expose them, making them look ridiculous or, as they often are, showing them to be simply liars.
August 27, 2010 at 2:33 am
JerusalemMite
I too stumbled onto CiF some years ago and was horrified at the blatant misrepresentation and bigotries allowed there. Seems that you have some obvious successes starting with the fact that almost any link to CW pasted on CiF is very quickly deleted.
The Georgina has been moved on. She is still there however trying to corrupt ‘cultural issues’ with her visceral hate of the Zionist state.
Not quite sure what has happened to Matt Seaton but K. Veiner hasn’t really changed the way commenters are allowed to libel the Jewish state.
Ben White writes less. The Groan is probably afraid of the dissection that CW does to his articles to root out the obvious misrepresentation of (often incorrect), facts.
There are many adjectives that I would use to describe the Guardian. Obsessive. Crusade against Israel and the USA. Misrepresentation, omission. Not balanced in any way conceivable. Not fair in any way conceivable.
Strange.
None of them are positive.
August 27, 2010 at 3:57 am
pretzelberg
Exposing anti-Israel bias on the Guardian is obviously a good thing.
But this website will never be taken seriously thanks to its anti-Palestinian bias.
The recent and frankly ridiculous deletions by mods confirm that bias.
August 27, 2010 at 4:17 am
pretzelberg
p.s.
Just came across this:
Islamophobia: the new antisemitism
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/aug/26/islam-religion
Even by the Guardian’s standards that’s a preposterous headline.
August 27, 2010 at 4:20 am
Silke
Congratulations again and thank you for a truly good piece of writing
also congratulations that you manage to keep your pieces pro-Israel
nothing wrong with advocating for what one cherishes and admires
(my final warm-up before the Lebanon war was the publication of the initial M&W piece in the London Review of Books – the chill that piece of Protocol light sent down my spine I still remember vividly)
August 27, 2010 at 4:34 am
peterthehungarian
Back in the bad old days of Kadarist Hungary there were only two British dailies available freely at the newsstands – The Morning Star (the rag of the Communist Party of Britain) and the Guardian. Under the heavy censorship, propaganda journalism and – as a consequence – the lack of any reliable information about the West – the Guardian seemed to me a balanced newspaper publishing news and opinions according to the liberal values and traditions of a free society.
And now fast forward.
In the summer of 2006 during the war with Hezb’allah my workplace closed down temporarily due to lack of any adequate shelter, and I spent my time sitting on my balcony observing the rain of Katyushas causing the destruction of my town and the death of many civilians. (My mild claustrophobia prevented me to remain in the so called “protected place” of my house). To get bored seeing only the TV news I started to look for websites reporting and commenting on the conflict and incidentally found the Guardian – and CIF.
After some minutes of reading their stuff I was horrified by the BTL and sometimes ATL anti-Israel and anti-Jewish hate and incitement but naively I thought that CIF was really free – the murderous and classic anti-Semitic outbursts – sometimes masquerading as anti-Zionism and sometimes not bothering with it – were the unavoidable consequences of the “comments are free” principle and the publication of differing opinions. I was surprised by the frequent use by the Guardian staff of the “Israel is are reacting disproportionately” – “many civilian victims in Lebanon – including children” mantra without the slightest mention of the destruction and death in Israel seen by my own eyes. I tried to post comments containing my eyewitness accounts and reacted to the vilest anti-Semite libels. (I’ll never forget a Moeran classic – IDF doctors are sexually abusing Palestinian children in order to blackmail them to become informers later – another Guardinista – forgot the moniker – alleging that the Israeli authorities are poisoning Acre’s water supply – and naturally an extremely stupid Jew-hater clown – Berchmans is applauding them). And then the surprise – my posts had been deleted leaving uncensored the posts I criticized and I had been banned (without any warning – in total contradiction with Seaton’s lies in the William Babthorpe affair). Suspecting the action of an overzealous moderator I changed my user name and continued to post, until the Cast Lead operation when CIF became openly part of the Islamo-fascist propaganda machine, and all of my posts had been deleted/not published at all.
An interesting episode: One of the vilest hater (posting under the appropriate moniker Glubb Pasha) demanded that I publish the exact geographical coordinates of my house – so he could check whether it is on stolen land or not. (Maybe he was one of the “we are all Hezb’allah now ” crowd?)
Until that time I was a very active and vocal supporter of the Israeli peace-camp (always voted Meretz), and I felt betrayed – it became clear to me that the European “left” in general and the Guardian and its staff in particular have nothing to do with peace, nothing to do with liberalism, they couldn’t give less to the wellbeing of the Palestinians, they are not real left at all – what they want and advertise is the delegitimization and annihilation of Israel – the quicker the better. I realized too that the traditional definition of right and left lost its meaning, in these circumstances there are no right and left – only right and wrong. I was very happy to see the establishment of CifWatch where all people of good will – irrespective of their religious/atheist, dove/hawk, liberal/conservative worldviews can really freely discuss these matters and to show the blogosphere the new thinly masqueraded face of the old anti-Semitism – obsessively propagated on CIF.
There are many posters on CIF sitting on the fence, for them the problem is only a political/ideological one, posting is only a debate game where they can demonstrate their logical/debating skills and witticism. One of them is the infamous Exiledlondoner who sadly later become a classic garden-variety Israel hater. Aren’t these people realizing that being objective in this subject is the same as being objective in 1938 and 1939?
I think that CifWatch must reach out to these people and to convince them that for the Israelis the I/P politics is not a debating society but a question of life or death.
August 27, 2010 at 4:38 am
peterthehungarian
Pretzelberg
But this website will never be taken seriously thanks to its anti-Palestinian bias.
Please see my previous post regarding your objectivity…
August 27, 2010 at 4:38 am
armaros
Pretzelberg
“Even by the Guardian’s standards that’s a preposterous headline.”
Ya, and the picture ….
Have you seen this one?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/aug/23/us-politics-islam#start-of-comments
Michael Tomasky hustling sharia…
…Here you will find an excellent explanation by Lee Smith, writing at the tablet.com, on what sharia law actually is, and why Newt Gingrich is being rather over-the-top. Smith is a conservative, by the way, just so you know that I’m not referring you to someone who’s in on the vast conspiracy of American surrender.
Sharia is a system of laws and jurisprudence. I’m not saying it’s all grand. From the things I’ve read it is in many respects deeply reactionary. I ..
… four male witnesses are required to prove a rape case. The woman’s testimony counts for something in some interpretations, and in others, it counts for not much or perhaps nothing.
That is obviously to be denounced and reviled, and Western liberals should denounce and revile it, as indeed many have (it’s mostly a fiction that liberals are so tied up in knots about multiculturalism that they can’t bring themselves to critique the treatment of women in Muslim societies, but that’s a big topic and another post). We should also denounce the fact that the vast majority of the world’s remaining death-penalty sanctioning countries are majority-Muslim. Of course, we should first worry about Texas in this regard.
Anyway. Sharia can also have more benign elements, as you and I discussed not long ago with regard to the question of the charging of interest. But as Smith points out, walking the reader through the history and splits in Sunni vs. Shia thought, sharia is an abstract body of thought, whose salafist (i.e. extreme) variants have been put into practice in very few places in the world. …
This is the gist of it. These people have a mental problem. They are so immersed in collective thinking that they pass onto each other these deluded ideas when they are actually themselves, individually aware of the evil they are promoting.
Astonishing.
Texas is like sharia and it is also benign as it doesn’t charge interest.
They have no grasp of reality.
August 27, 2010 at 4:44 am
armaros
Peter
coming from uncle Kadar’s paprika potato paradise, the Guardian shouldn’t have been such a shock to you.
August 27, 2010 at 4:52 am
Matt
Excellent article, and thank you all for giving me a bit of sanity in this crazy virtual world we call the internet.
August 27, 2010 at 4:52 am
peterthehungarian
armaros
In the seventies the Guardian was a heaven – relative to the Pravda and the Nepszabadsag. Today reading only CIF it can be sized up relative only to an other famous historical media object: the Sturmer.
August 27, 2010 at 4:54 am
peterthehungarian
armaros
It was goulash paradise – undoubtedly paprika and potato are important components of it…
August 27, 2010 at 5:09 am
armaros
Kadar had the famous saying about paprika potato.
“the paprika potato should be paprika potato comrades.
So Neil Clark ….
Whatever happened to Comrade Clark anyway?
Did he move to N Korea with his Hungarian communist Russian teacher wife?
August 27, 2010 at 5:12 am
armaros
actually it was “potato soup should be potato soup comrades”
August 27, 2010 at 5:17 am
peterthehungarian
armaros
paprika potato is an other Hungarian delight called “paprikaskrumpli.”
But I insist; the paradise was full of goulash and nothing else…. (maybe Trabant? The difference that goulash was always available while for a Trabant you had to wait… and waitt… and wait…)
August 27, 2010 at 5:24 am
armaros
Peter
Prophecy from 1980
The Guardian will always remind me of this
The Islamo-Socialist international…..
August 27, 2010 at 5:28 am
peterthehungarian
Mr. Clark and his beloved Zsuzsanna are living and kicking but undoubtedly CIF doesn’t publish their dirt anymore. It seems to me that even according to the CIF’s standards they are too gormless and evil. If I take into account that Ben White satisfies the Guardian’s requirements, the Clarkes’ achievement must be considered something very big…
August 27, 2010 at 5:37 am
peterthehungarian
armaros
the good old Geza Hofi z”l…
August 27, 2010 at 5:39 am
Richard Tebboth
In Britain we have the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006.
The Guardian’s Editor is Alan Rusbridger.
His email address is Alan.Rusbridger@guardian.co.uk
I would humbly suggest that these provide two more direct means of addressing your concerns rather than posting here.
August 27, 2010 at 5:53 am
peterthehungarian
Hi Richard,
Have you any law in Britain forbidding the exploitation of your managerial job employing your family members in your workplace?
An other question: How this Act has been applied in Rowan Fuckthejews Laxton’s case?
Has he been punished? What iwas his punishment? Tell us about it please…
BTW who would give a shit for the British justice system after the Norman-Bathurst fiasco…
August 27, 2010 at 5:53 am
Ariadne
Excellent summary and a very interesting long post by Peter. As a sidelight, Peter, it may interest you to know that here it used to be said that if you want to know what is going on read both the Morning Star and the Financial Times.
It is sickening that Peter’s description of sitting on his balcony
I was surprised by the frequent use by the Guardian staff of the “Israel is are reacting disproportionately” – “many civilian victims in Lebanon – including children” mantra without the slightest mention of the destruction and death in Israel seen by my own eyes
makes it clear that as far as truth is concerned Israel is the prison camp that it can hardly escape from.
August 27, 2010 at 6:18 am
Israelinurse
Pretzelberg – I really can’t see how you manage to reach the conclusion that this site has an ‘anti-Palestinian bias’.
I can only speak for myself, but there is nothing I would like to see more than prosperous, happy Palestinians who have rid themselves of the repressive, (and long since devoid of a legitimate mandate to rule) corrupt regimes under which they continue to suffer so much.
Pro-Israel does not equate with anti-Palestinian, and if you believe that it does, that is an indication of precisely how little you understand about this region.
August 27, 2010 at 6:25 am
Israelinurse
‘In Britain we have the Racial and Religious Hatred Act 2006.’
It isn’t working very well, is it?
August 27, 2010 at 6:32 am
peterthehungarian
Hi Ariadne
makes it clear that as far as truth is concerned Israel is the prison camp that it can hardly escape from.
I disagree. Israel is not a prison camp and nobody I know wants to escape from here. Exactly the opposite, more and more of my European Jewish (even some gentile) acquaintances want to make aliyah.
August 27, 2010 at 6:49 am
Silke
and who wouldn’t, given that there are marvels like this to discover
(if only it weren’t for that constant sunshine)
found via Letters from Rungholt
August 27, 2010 at 6:52 am
peterthehungarian
Ariadne
Are you sure about th Financial Times?
August 27, 2010 at 6:53 am
peterthehungarian
Ariadne
Sorry, I forgot the FT link
http://hurryupharry.org/2010/08/27/financial-times-blames-israel-for-conflict/
August 27, 2010 at 7:05 am
Fairplay
If this site is anti-Palestinian, it can only be because the majority of us realize that ‘Palestine’ is a historical illusion employed by the enemies of Israel. If some of us are anti-Arab, that is because the Arabs are anti-Israel or antisemitic.
If pretzelberg still doesn’t get it, that must be either because his anti-Israel bias is too deep, or else his love of provocation too strong, or both.
The anti-Israel/ anti-Jewish crowd has been around since the early days of the Internet. From Usenet, they spread to talk forums on the Independent and the Guardian, among others. CIF is only the latest manifestation of the saying that on Internet, no-one knows you’re a dog; or that everyone must have their 15 minutes of fame. Unfortunately, a visceral hatred once fed becomes even hungrier and may eventually turn into an addiction. You only have to look at CiF for proof of this…
CiFWatch is addictive in a positive sense. Mazel tov !
August 27, 2010 at 7:06 am
pretzelberg
Israelinurse
Pretzelberg – I really can’t see how you manage to reach the conclusion that this site has an ‘anti-Palestinian bias’.
Just how some people fail to see the Guardian’s anti-Israel bias.
August 27, 2010 at 7:08 am
pretzelberg
@ Israelinurse
And as for the posters here: see above …
August 27, 2010 at 7:12 am
pretzelberg
peterthehungarian
Today reading only CIF it can be sized up relative only to an other famous historical media object: the Sturmer.
Come on, Peter. That’s silly.
Look at the current CiF homepage.
No mention of Israel or Jews – BUT there is an article about how Palestinians deserve improved rights in the Lebanon.
August 27, 2010 at 7:19 am
Silke
I think pretzelberg is suffering from an a bit peculiar ambition i.e. to prove that through lots of trial and error practice he’ll eventually become a successful and well-paid for it contrarian.
sometimes paranoid me suspects that he does this stuff around here in the hope of picking out of the answers a crowd-attracting TV-stunt which will then earn him the recognition by his colleagues as a yet to be discovered genius.
August 27, 2010 at 7:25 am
Ariadne
peterthehungarian
Ariadne
Are you sure about th Financial Times?
Yes. It was a long time ago, when Israel
wasn’t any kind of issue.
I did see that HP link but didn’t add it. Did Tweet it.
August 27, 2010 at 7:29 am
Ariadne
Fairplay
I don’t think any of us are anti-Arab and most of us will have met charming, educated and unprejudiced Arabs here.
It is the Arab fantasia we are against and its adoption by everyman and his dog who happens not to like Jews.
(With apologies to innocent dogs who are just part of the old saying.)
August 27, 2010 at 7:31 am
peterthehungarian
Pretzelberg
Let me repeat Israelinurse’s thoughts about your allegations of anti-Palestinian bias…
If you think that being pro-Israeli means being anti-Palestinian then sadly you are simply light years away from understanding even the basics of the I/P conflict.
Do you think that this is a soccer game and if you are a Chelsea fan you can’t support Manchester United?
If someone really wants for Israel to live in peace without being threatened then this person must be very strongly pro-Palestinian and wishing for them the best. Naturally pro-Palestian doesn’t mean the Guardian crowd. Those “pro-Palestinians” don’t give a broken bedpan for the wellbeing of the Palestinians, they want them to fight to their last drop of blood against the Jews. Their aim has nothing to do with the Palestinian people and everything to do with their hate of the West and Israel. The Palestinains are simply convenient pawns fighting instead of them while they are sitting in their study and spitting their cyber hate and incitement without risking their precious skin.
Do you seriously think that apart from some extremists anybody expect a successful peace agreement without proving the Palestinians that this is their interest too on the long run? If your answer is yes I suggest you to find an other subject to comment on because you never will be able to understand anything from this one…
August 27, 2010 at 7:32 am
Ariadne
Peter, I knew someone would misunderstand this:
“makes it clear that as far as truth is concerned Israel is the prison camp that it can hardly escape from”
“I disagree. Israel is not a prison camp and nobody I know wants to escape from here. Exactly the opposite, more and more of my European Jewish (even some gentile) acquaintances want to make aliyah.”
Is it the truth that can hardly escape through the barrage of lies that surround every Israeli action or event. Or even person.
August 27, 2010 at 7:37 am
peterthehungarian
Ariadne
Try this link:
http://www.justjournalism.com/media-analysis/view/viewpoint-financial-times-blames-israel-for-conflict
Sorry but I’m not tweeter savvy at all…
August 27, 2010 at 7:42 am
Ariadne
Peter, thank you. Tweeting is very handy. The Elder tweets, Yaacov Lozowick, Israel Matsav and lots more.
August 27, 2010 at 7:43 am
peterthehungarian
Pretzelberg
Look at the current CiF homepage.
No mention of Israel or Jews – BUT there is an article about how Palestinians deserve improved rights in the Lebanon.
Now I agree with you that you have been falsely accused here by others being without any sense of humor…
Because there was a half day on CIF without an Israel bashing article?!
As I understand there is no comment feature on the article. Would be an interesting test case to see the number of uncensored comments contributing the treating of the Palestinians by the Lebanese to the Zionist occupation of Micronesia…
August 27, 2010 at 7:44 am
Ariadne
Peter, lovely image in your post: Guardianistas right up there with Muslim dictators!
August 27, 2010 at 7:45 am
peterthehungarian
Thanks Ariadne, I really misunderstood you, my apologies.
August 27, 2010 at 7:49 am
Mitnaged
Excellently written, The Alchemist.
“..Those accusations came not only from lunatic posters obsessed with Israeli spies infiltrating their sacred lair, but also by editors like Brian Whitaker who accused posters defending Israel of being part of a conspiracy…”
Whitaker, the Blessed Al-Babler is an Arabophile who seems to have been meserised by everything Arabs/Muslims say, do or think/not think.
His adopted identity is so complete that he has also taken on board the “Hidden Hand” -type paranoia so beloved of Arab societies which sees conspiracies everywhere and all of them formulated by the Jooos.
Richard Tebboth, I am sure that The Alchemist is grateful for your advice, but to complain to the RustBucket is rather like asking pleading with the fox to protect the hen house isn’t it? I am intrigued by your continued interest in CiFWatch though.
Thanks also, The Alchemist, for reminding the readership of the recesses of what passes for Steve Bell’s psyche. His cartoons can easily be construed as a sort of Thematic Apperception Test (TAT) of the Guardian World View because he obviously projects all his dark fantasies about Israel’s alleged “evil”, dutifully learned from the Groan’s one-sided coverage which he doesn’t question, into his pictures. I’d love to be his psychiatrist. He’d have to be in therapy with me for so long that I could retire rich…. :~))
Hawkeye et al, thanks for letting me write for CiFWatch. I have enjoyed reading what others write, inevitably better researched and better written than CiF, and being given the chance to put my point of view – I was banned long ago for something I wrote on the Bungler’s thread which was “insulting” (although it was absolutely true) to Islamism. I still have the post. I wrote in a very measured way, but in psychological terms. Presumably the moderators couldn’t cope.
August 27, 2010 at 8:07 am
Fairplay
Ariadne wrote:
“I don’t think any of us are anti-Arab and most of us will have met charming, educated and unprejudiced Arabs here.”
Oh really! They are conspicuous by their absence on the Internet, I must say. Most of us have also met Western-educated Arabs who can’t overcome their anti-Israel biases. It would be brave indeed for an Arab scholar to come out in support of Israel. There must be many Israeli Arabs who like being part of Israel, but are cowed into silence by the Arab fanatics.
The nice thing about CifWatch is that we are free to call a spade a spade.
I am very suspicious about the present generation of Arabs. Their culture is backward-looking and seems highly resistant to modernity. What happened to the Middle East since WW1? Israel was the best thing to befall the Palestinian Arabs. Without Israel, they would have been swallowed up by Jordan, Syria or Egypt.
August 27, 2010 at 8:08 am
Ariadne
Yes, Mitnaged, Steve Bell is vicious and disgusting. Those pustules on the arm… his projections are not on a road healthy people would want to go down.
August 27, 2010 at 8:10 am
Ariadne
Fairplay
I haven’t met any of the other kind and there is Fouad Ajami.
August 27, 2010 at 8:33 am
Ariadne
Sheikh Palazzi
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/135311
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/135428
August 27, 2010 at 8:35 am
pretzelberg
@ Silke
I am simply disagreeing with the majority view here.
It’s that simple.
@ peterthehungarian
If you think that being pro-Israeli means being anti-Palestinian then sadly you are simply light years away from understanding even the basics of the I/P conflict.
I never said that being pro-Israeli means being anti-Palestinian.
But I find the general tone of the articles and – especially – the posters to be anti-Palestinian.
August 27, 2010 at 8:37 am
Ariadne
“In its short history, Israel has held up a mirror for the Arabs, who have not liked what they have seen”
http://politics.usnews.com/opinion/fajami/articles/2008/05/07/a-reality-check-as-israel-turns-60.html
Perhaps we should celebrate Israel’s friends among Arabs and other Muslim on this anniversary?
August 27, 2010 at 9:20 am
SarahLeah
Again, an article which sums up CiFWatch’s first year but without any of the self-satisfied and self-regarding and frankly deluded gloop you would get from CiF on one of its anniversaries.
I would like to thank each and every one of the authors and Adam Levick for their hard work. It cannot have been easy. Sometimes when I read CiF I feel the need to take a shower because I feel soiled by what I have read. I cannot imagine being immersed in the stuff, as you people must have been, and not being made physically ill.
I wish you were not needed, but while Israel and Jews, and Islamists exist I fear that you will be.
More power to you!