This is a guest post by Jonathan Hoffman
Some ten days ago I wrote here about the acquittal in the UK of seven defendants who admitted to causing £187,000 of criminal damage at the EDO MBM armaments factory in January 2009, at the time of Israel’s Operation Cast Lead in Gaza. The factory was exporting military equipment to Israel.
Until today I did not have the 87 page transcript of Judge Bathurst-Norman’s summing-up in the case (Lewes Crown Court, 28/29 June 2010). Remember that these are his comments to the Jury, prior to their deliberation in the Jury room which acquitted all seven defendants.
Earlier, many people suspected that the Judge’s comments were biased and this transcript proves the case conclusively. On the evidence of his summing-up, Bathurst-Norman was a member of the defence’s legal team, rather than the Judge.
If you do not have time to read this long article, just consider two excerpts:
The Judge illustrates the concept of “chain reaction” thus:
Page 9: We will all have read of Israel’s attack upon a ship on the high seas, killing nine people on board, and somehow, as the aggressors (puzzling for a lawyer like me) seemed to claim that they were acting in self defence. But the result of all that, of course, is that the nature of the blockade on Gaza changed, because for once there was such a huge outcry of world opinion that Israel thought it had better try and regain face in the situation. (Pause)
No mention of the fact that the Marmara was sponsored by the IHH with proven terrorist links (Germany has just banned it as a terrorist organisation); that there were known Jihadis on board; that warnings were ignored; that Israel soldiers were attacked with clubs as they boarded; that they carried only paintguns and handguns, to be used only if their lives were in danger. And so on. You can already perhaps see how distorted is the Judge’s summing-up.
Page 19: When it was all over, the United Nations Human Rights Agency set up a Commission to investigate what had happened. That Commission was headed by an eminent international Juris Justice Goldstone, who is himself Jewish. Because his report was not to the liking of Israel, he was condemned by Israel as being anti-semitic.
Of course Goldstone’s religion is relevant to nothing, except to those malefactors who (a) use it as a specious reason to argue a Report written by a Jew could not possibly be biased against Israel and/or (ii) use it (as this Judge has) in a ‘double lie’ which says (a) that the Israeli government called the author of the UN Report “anti-Semitic” (of course it did not) and (b) to demonise the Israeli government for calling a Jew an anti-semite.
I will now go through the transcript seriatim pointing out errors which amount to bias. These might be termed “sins of commission”. Purely for reasons of length, I will be sparing in pointing out sins of omission. But in tone this summing-up is similar to the typical CIF piece on Israel, eg by Seth Freedman. It has no place in a Judge’s summing-up in a Court of Law in Iran – let alone in the United Kingdom, the home of “British Justice”.
Page 10: Now you may be wondering what on earth has the actions of the Israeli air force to do with this country. The short answer is that if the Israeli Air Force was committing crimes in the way that the agreed evidence outlines in the unlawful killing of Palestinians in Gaza and in the unlawful causing of damage to property in Gaza, then under the War Crimes Act and other legislation any member of the Israeli Air Force who set foot in this country and who acted in that way would be liable to arrest and prosecution, as is anyone within this country who knowingly helps the Israeli Air Force to commit such war crimes.
A subliminal seed is being planted in the minds of the Jury here. Sure the Judge says “if” the Israeli Air Force was committing crimes …… But then he speaks of “agreed evidence” which, he says, “outlines” the “unlawful” killing of Palestinans and damage to property. Then he tells the Jury that it follows that Israelis who serve in the Air Force would be liable to “arrest and prosecution” in the UK. By this time, the average Juror would have forgotten all about that “if”. And nowhere does Bathurst-Norman refer to the reason for Operation Cast Lead – namely, the rockets that were fired continually at Southern Israel by Hamas terrorists. And nowhere does he tell the Jury that the UK government and the vast majority – perhaps all – of Western governments said that Operation Cast Lead was legal because Israel – like all countries – has the right – nay, duty – to defend its citizens.
Page 13: Democracy would not exist unless there were reporters and members of the public who were prepared to stand up for what they believe to be right, and sometimes, as in the case of the suffragettes, even to go to prison for their beliefs. As Edmund Burke says: “For injustice to flourish, all that is needed is for good men to do nothing.” Indeed, people like Mr Osmond [Christopher Osmond, the leader of the seven who admitted causing £187,000 of damage to the EDO factory] who put themselves in harm’s way to protect others may, in fact – there may be much to be admired about people like that. Perhaps if he had done it in this country in the last war he would probably have received a George Medal.
The Judge is clearly telling the Jury that he regards Osmond as a hero. He compares him to the suffragettes, clearly identifies him with Burke’s “good men” and admires the way that Osmond “puts himself in harm’s way to protect others” (Osmond was formerly in the disputed territories with ISM). He even suggests that Osmond deserves the George Medal (this ranks second to only the Victoria Cross in awards for bravery in the UK). This is a highly confused analogy. Is Bathurst-Norman suggesting that someone who attacked a British armaments factory during World War Two deserved the George Medal? Or rather someone who threw themselves in the path of a British tank? Or maybe in the path of a German tank? Whatever the Judge meant, it has no place in a British Court of Law, because it is a deliberately emotional statement designed for one reason and one reason only: to vilify Israel.
It is relevant here to mention the Judge’s (later) comment about Rachel Corrie:
Page 67: He [Osmond] knew of the Philadelphi corridor, the corridor made around the boundaries of Gaza by the illegal demolition of Palestinian homes by the Israeli army, during which Rachel Corrie, one of the International Solidarity Volunteers bravely stood in front of a bulldozer which was being driven by an Israeli soldier and was effectively murdered when he drove the bulldozer over her in 2003.
Now for the truth. Corrie was not “murdered”. The IDF investigation concluded that the driver of the bulldozer could not see her and that her death was an unfortunate accident. The IDF Judge Advocate’s Office concluded:
The driver at no point saw or heard Corrie. She was standing behind debris which obstructed the view of the driver and the driver had a very limited field of vision due to the protective cage he was working in.
An autopsy revealed that the bulldozer never rolled over Corrie: she was killed when debris dislodged by the bulldozer struck her head.
Page 14: I am going to start with the background relating to Israel and Palestine and to the evidence which points to the war crimes being committed by Israel in Gaza, an area over which Israel has imposed a blockade. The evidence shows that those war crimes are committed against the civilian population of Gaza and against the property of its residents, including the United Nations by the Israeli Forces.
This is pure demonisation of Israel to the Jury. There is no evidence that Israel committed war crimes in Gaza. Israel did pay the UN compensation for UN properties in Gaza that were damaged but what Bathurst-Norman failed to tell the Jury was that Hamas terrorists deliberately hid among among civilians and in the vicinity of UN installations. There is no such country as “Palestine” – surely a Judge briefing a Jury has an obligation to be accurate about such things?
Page 14: Now you have to look at the evidence coldly and dispassionately. It may be as you went through what I can only describe as horrific scenes, scenes of devastation to civilian population, scenes which one would rather have hoped to have disappeared with the Nazi regimes of the last war, you may have felt anger and been absolutely appalled by them, but you must put that emotion aside.
Justice? This is pure insidious poison. The Judge is whipping up the emotions of the Jury against Israel, then purely for form he tells them to “put that emotion aside”. He even throws in a Nazi/Jew comparison (antisemitic, see EUMC Working Definition). Of course the civilian casualties in Gaza were horrific – but that is war. Where is his reference to the Israeli casualties of suicide bombers; to the rocket attacks on Sderot; to the fact that Israel waited for years before taking action in Gaza; to the fact that Israel was careful to as far as possible only hit combatants, shown by the fact that 75% of the casualties were males over the age of 16, a demographic which forms only 25% of the Gaza population?
In the next paragraph he reveals more of his own prejudices:
Pages 14/15: Equally you must put aside any feelings of being thoroughly ashamed of our Government, of the American Government and the United Nations and the EU in doing nothing about what was happening.
On page 15 he refers to evidence by a ‘Dr. Taylor’ (a woman). In fact he means Dr Mandy Turner, an academic from Bradford University. (He could not even get her name right!) It is not hard to establish that Dr Turner is also an Israel demoniser (and CIF Israel-bashing contributor).
Here is what the Judge reminded the Jury about Dr Turner’s testimony:
Page 15: She told us how the immunity which the United States by the veto affords – in the Security Council affords the protection to Israel and prevents it from suffering any reprisals for its actions. The result enables Israel to cock a snook at any decision of the United Nations or of the International Court of Justice by simply ignoring anything that is decided ….. Israel has been able to ignore resolutions like 242, calling on it to withdraw from Palestinian lands and calling for a United Nations Force to protect peace. However calls are made for Israel to pull – so whatever calls are made for Israel to pull down the barrier, and the judgment of the International Court holding it illegal and to stop building settlements in the West Bank are simply ignored by Israel in the occupied territories seized in 1967. One can see from the maps produced by Dr. Taylor that effectively Israel takes from the Palestinians more and more and more of their land.
There is so much wrong with this: where to start….
First, the Judge again conveys to the Jury the assumption that Israel’s action to defend its citizens was illegal. It was not. Second, he misleads the Jury into thinking that Israel flouts Security Council Resolutions. Third, he fails to tell the Jury that the ICJ is for the most part purely advisory and has no powers of sanction. It is a creature of the UN and moreover there is no Israeli Judge on it. Fourth, his explanation to the Jury of UN Resolution 242 is hopelessly biased. 242 was two-sided. It called on Israel to withdraw but only in exchange for peace from the other side. By leaving out one half of the Resolution in his information to the Jury, Bathurst-Norman is derelict in his duty as an impartial Judge. Fifth, he suggests that the ICJ called on Israel to stop building settlements in Judea and Samaria. It did no such thing. Sixth, he suggests to the Jury that “Israel takes from the Palestinians more and more and more of their land”. This really is appalling. What is omitted? The fact that Israel took the lands as a result of the defensive war of 1967; that it offered all the lands back at Khartoum in that year but was rebuffed; that it withdrew the IDF from Gaza in 2005; that it has no designs on any lands; that it is a Party to the Quartet negotiations which envisage Judea and Samaria and Gaza forming a sovereign Palestinian State and substantial Israeli withdrawal from the settlements.
The Judge goes on to tell the Jury about the “Dahiya Doctrine” (page 17). He enunciates to the Jury a well-known trope of the Israel-bashers: that the “Dahiya Doctrine” is a policy for Israel to “apply disproportionate force and cause great damage and destruction to any village from which Israel was fired on”(it dates from the Lebanon invasion of 2006). In fact the “Dahiya doctrine” simply means that Israel targets civilian infrastructure used by terrorists. It is far more legitimate than the Hamas Charter which regards all Jews as fair game for slaughter. But of course Bathurst-Norman does not tell the Jury that.
He comes (page 17) to Cast Lead. He tells the Jury that the reason journalists were not allowed in Gaza was because Israel had something to hide. This is untrue. Journalists were not allowed into Gaza for reasons of safety. Moreover it was foreign journalists who were not allowed in. Palestinian journalists who lived in Gaza were of course free to report and they did. He then misleads the Jury about the use of ‘proportionate’ force, telling it that Israel used ‘disproportionate’ force when under international law, Israel was entitled to use the force that it used – which was proportionate in terms of eliminating the terror threat.
The covert Counsel for the Defence continues thus:
Page 18: On 15th January the Al Quds hospital was bombed. Hospitals, ambulance depots, mosques, United Nations compound, industrial and agricultural sites, the sewage and the electricity power plants were all targeted and damaged or destroyed
The truth is that the Al Quds hospital was “back to normal in three to five days” after the repair of damaged water pipes. The mosques that were targeted had been used as weapons depots: there is evidence of secondary explosions. Hospitals and ambulance depots were similarly used for military purposes. And of course Bathurst-Norman did not tell the Jury that the power station in Ashdod continued to supply Gaza throughout Cast Lead even though the workers were in danger.
Here is the Judge effectively misleading the Jury again into thinking that Israel is allowed immunity from international law:
Page 18: Had the same events happened anywhere else, you may think, there would have been military intervention by the powers in question, as there had been in Bosnia and Kosovo, but you may think double standards were applied because it was Israel – to Israel, because nothing happened.
Again, the Judge delegitimises Israel to the Jury. No doubt he would not tell a Jury that double standards are applied to the UK, which has intervened in Afghanistan. But Israel … now that is different. Far from “British Justice” this is pure venom.
On page 19 of the transcript the Judge tells the Jury that Goldstone said that
….certain weapons, white phosphorous, flechettes and DIMES .. were used indiscriminately against civilians, and so their use should be regarded as a war crime.
In fact Goldstone never said that DIMES were used. He said:
While the Mission is not in a position to state with certainty that so-called dense inert metal explosive (DIME) munitions were used by the Israeli armed forces, it did receive reports from Palestinian and foreign doctors who operated in Gaza during the military operations of a high percentage of patients with injuries compatible with their impact.
A bit different…..
On page 21, the Judge is recorded as telling the Jury that Israel has not carried out any investigations. Another untruth.
The bottom line is simple. Judge Bathurst-Norman behaved more like the Defence Counsel than the neutral Officer of the Court that he was supposed to be. The role of a Judge – far from advancing his own political agenda – is to clarify points of law to the lay members of the Jury. Bathurst-Norman’s comments reveal that he has an extreme anti-Israel agenda. This case must therefore be declared a mistrial and retried under a neutral Judge. And Bathurst-Norman should be prevented from ever presiding over such a case again. Quite apart from anything else, thousands of taxpayer pounds have been wasted as a result of his bias.
PS – Please complain to the Office for Judicial Complaints here. The case is R vs Robert Nicholls and others at Lewes, case number t20097131. Please also ask your MP to write to the Justice Minister and Lord Chancellor, Ken Clarke.
ADDENDUM:
Page 10: The Judge refers the Jury to the UK War Crimes Act in the context of Gaza. This is yet another fundamental error of law. The War Crimes Act (1991) only applies to crimes committed in Nazi Germany or Nazi-occupied territory during the Second World War.
Page 10: The Judge suggested to the Jury that “the agreed evidence” was that the Israeli Air Force was committing crimes. This is blatantly misleading. The Prosecution (the Crown) never “agreed” this.
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July 18, 2010 at 7:50 am
Commentor
‘nor any evidence EDO Brighton supplies them to Israel’
which was the basis of Bathurst-Norman’s effective instruction in his summing up to the jury to acquit.
Never mind all the legal ramifications that has: if someone thinks someone or thing is “supporting” Israeli war crimes, in the same fashion e.g. allowing bombs to be ejected inertly (how does that facilitate any war crime, alleged or otherwise), does that permit assault on them?
If all a ZRFAU does is allow a bomb to be ejected inertly, Smash EDO’s contesting that they simply had to smash EDO’s alleged facility to make them and allegedly supply them to Israel to stop alleged Israeli war crimes is, not too fine a point on it, baloney.
Oh, your honour, I simply felt compelled to make sure that, if an Israeli F-16 has to abort a mission, or jettison its load, the bombs explode when landing, even on people.
I simply had too, to prevent a greater crime. I was so morally outraged that Israeli F-16s had this ability.
July 18, 2010 at 8:17 am
Commentor
Smash EDO were so blinded by hatred of Israel, they forgot to actually check out exactly what it was a ZRFAU actually did.
They could have targetted umpteen juicy targets, factories that produce the kind of weapons components that actually hurt people, The UK is bristling with them.
But, no. They went for the one that had, as they “thought”, the most direct link with Israel.
Tits.
July 18, 2010 at 8:20 am
Commentor
Basically, they know, if they go for UK for UK suppliers, they are more likely to get done.
The one Jewish state in the world is so hated, and British Jews so cowed, they know they stand a much better chance of a muted response.
It is pretty cowardly, when you look at it.
July 18, 2010 at 8:26 am
AKUS
Commenter – I’ve just scanned through your extremely interesting comments. Its always interesting when someone with knowledge of rht ewillingness to really investigate what lies beneath the bed covers reveals the truth behind the anti-israeli activities.
So this crowd seems to have targeted a factory that really has nothing to do with israel. It says something about both their IQs and those of supporters like Tony Greenstaein.
In addition, of course, there’s the issue that they got off scot free simply because the judge is willing to excuse anyone who does things out of hatred towards Israel.
Frankly, if someone a little more responsible does not put a stop to this, it will be interesting to see where it ends. After all, perhaps IRA supporters could do the same sort of thing and use this case as a justifying precedent.
July 18, 2010 at 8:33 am
jobloggss
It will end with the company being prosecuted for illegal arms trading and Mr Hills being prosecuted for perjury ………People are already on the case
July 18, 2010 at 8:36 am
Commentor
‘So this crowd seems to have targeted a factory that really has nothing to do with israel.’
That is not entirely true, since it seems it either licensed to or from Israel a bomb rack design that utilises the ZRFAU. But that is about it.
No evidence in Norman’s summing up suggests any supply or facility which smashing up EDO Brighton would have interrupted, prevent alleged Israeli war crimes.
Norman misrepresented the ZRFAU as a “guidance system”. It isn’t. It’s a fail safe feature. like the ERU-151.
Basically Smash EDO saw “Israel” in the (out of date) bumpf, and leapt to their (malicious?) confusions.
July 18, 2010 at 8:38 am
Commentor
“It will end with the company being prosecuted for illegal arms trading and Mr Hills being prosecuted for perjury ………People are already on the case”
Well, you would say that, wouldn’t you? You’ve been made to look a bit of a tit.
July 18, 2010 at 8:42 am
Commentor
“It will end with the company being prosecuted for illegal arms trading and Mr Hills being prosecuted for perjury ………People are already on the case”
First you have to prove EDO Brighton supplies ZRFAUs to Israel. If it doesn’t, you’ll fail.
Second you have to prove smashing the ability to manufacture ZRFAUs would prevent any war crime. Which it couldn’t under any circumstances. Quite the reverse.
July 18, 2010 at 9:14 am
Commentor
Example
Artisan, sister to EDO Brighton, manufactures ZRFAUs:
Artisan Electronics Corp. – Parsippany, NJ
Manufacturer, Custom Manufacturer
Company Profile: Design & Manufacturers ZRF Arming Units, Multi-Station Practice Bomb Racks, & Ejector & Release Racks For US & Foreign Designed Fighter Aircraft. Mil-Std-1760 Applied Interface & Integration Capability. Turret Mounted TOW Launcher For Armored Vehicles. ISO-9001 Certified
http://www.thomasnet.com/northern-new-jersey/military-equipment-supplies-51261006-1.html
Also the Canadian AF awarded its ZRFAU contract for its F-18s (note, not F-16s) to Lucas Western.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-7959834.html
BTW, the ZRFAU was patented by Raytheon in 2003.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/6622605.html
Raytheon has never owned EDO, EDO MBM or MBM
July 18, 2010 at 9:23 am
Commentor
According to this, Artisan, sister to EDO Brighton, manufactures ZRFAUs in New Jersey:
http://www.thomasnet.com/northern-new-jersey/military-equipment-supplies-51261006-1.html
Also, the Canadian air force awarded its ZRFAU contract for its F-18s (note, not F-16s) to Lucas Western:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-7959834.html
Also Raytheon have owned the patent for the ZRFAU since 2003. Raytheon have never owned EDO Brighton.
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-7959834.html
Strongly recommend checking this out, as it includes the diagram and applications.
It looks like it can be manufactured under license from Raytheon by anyone.
July 18, 2010 at 9:30 am
Commentor
It looks like the ZRFAU is a patent by Raytheon, and can be manufactured by anyone under license:
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6622605/description.html
EDO Brighton’s sister company, Artisan, manufacture them in the US, according to this link:
http://www.thomasnet.com/heading.html?cov=JN&what=zrf+arming+units&heading=51261006&searchpos=16&cid=572507
But here the Canadian air force awards its ZRFAU contract (for its F-18s -it doesn’t have F-16s), to Lucas Western:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-7959834.html
July 18, 2010 at 11:08 am
jobloggss
well there is little point in arguing about this. time will very soon tell. Interesting thought that Mr Hills was on a plane to America in a panic within hours of the verdicts. Also interesting that he used to invariably walk out to the gates to observe on the weekly noise demonstrations but hasn’t been seen this the verdicts.Clearly a very worried man and with good reason
July 18, 2010 at 11:08 am
SarahLeah
joebloggss are you disingenuous or just thick? Any jury would have acquitted these criminals had they been led by the nose by his Dis-Honour.
How precisely will the company be prosecuted, mm? In what way were they illegally trading arms? Come on Einstein, spell it out to us. And which people – those with IQ’s bigger than their shoe sizes?
Or people like you?
July 18, 2010 at 11:14 am
Commentor
‘ Interesting thought that Mr Hills was on a plane to America in a panic within hours of the verdicts. Also interesting that he used to invariably walk out to the gates to observe on the weekly noise demonstrations but hasn’t been seen this the verdicts.Clearly a very worried man and with good reason’
Or just being naturally cautious, for whatever reason, assuming what you say is true.
July 18, 2010 at 11:20 am
SarahLeah
PS to Joe Bloggss – you would have to PROVE to a truly neutral trial judge that Hills was lying any more than the guilty seven lied initially (but his Dis-Honour said that didn’t matter), and there are laws about libel and slander in this country so whoever stood up in court and accused him of perjury would have to be very, very careful to have rather more honest evidence of what took place than the fairy stories told this jury.
And in any case I think you’re having a laugh. None of these people, except perhaps for the prosecution or Hills himself had any grasp of reality and objective truth. His Dis Honour’s summing up showed that he had slipped into an alternative reality and the jury followed him.
July 18, 2010 at 11:23 am
SarahLeah
“…there’s very little point in arguing about this….”
Proving that you’re on a hiding to nowhere and you are well and truly stuffed.
(I hope they are not planning to call you as a witness for the prosecution if Hills gets prosecuted. So far all you’ve given us is innuendo).
July 18, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Commentor
How do you know he flew to the US, Jo?
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July 18, 2010 at 1:06 pm
JerusalemMite
jobloggss
Clearly a very worried man and with good reason
Since you mention it, I would suggest that Support EDO should have some concerns here. The US may review all its arms procurement in the UK to the detriment of jobs lost and a technology drought.
That apart from showing up the UK legal system to be more flawed than many thought.
This case may reverberate on for many years to come and may even be the final nail in the coffin of the so flawed jury system.
July 18, 2010 at 1:12 pm
JerusalemMite
AKUS
Frankly, if someone a little more responsible does not put a stop to this, it will be interesting to see where it ends. After all, perhaps IRA supporters could do the same sort of thing and use this case as a justifying preceden
Or any UK Muslim Militant or Looney Lefty who damages a UK bomb making factory saying afterwards that he wanted to prevent UK soldiers from committing war crimes in Afghanistan.
The possibilities for the Looney Left are just endless here.
July 18, 2010 at 1:44 pm
jobloggss
sarah i dont have to prove anything….the prosecution counsels will have to prove the cases against the company and mr hills. but you can be sure that it is all going to happen. and i know where i would place my money
July 18, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Commentor
‘sarah i dont have to prove anything’
How do you know he flew to the US?
July 18, 2010 at 2:56 pm
SarahLeah
Of course you don’t Joebloggss – you just have to continue bragging out of your rear end.
You see, as I have heard it things are happening all right, JoeBloggss.
But you mightn’t like the results one little bit.
Commenter – bloggsy is probably one of the camp followers of the ISM, who can’t separate hopes and thoughts from facts and doesn’t bother to check out rumours. He’ll come unglued. They all will. They haven’t the sense to remain “glued.”
July 18, 2010 at 3:26 pm
jobloggss
now now sarah don’t be a sore loser it is so unbecoming
July 18, 2010 at 3:30 pm
jobloggss
” how do you know he flew to the US ” commentor knowing stuff is my hobby
July 18, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Commentor
‘commentor knowing stuff is my hobby’
So, how do you know?
July 18, 2010 at 3:58 pm
jobloggss
well im hardly likely to tell you that am i check it out for yourself if you dont believe me
July 18, 2010 at 3:59 pm
I know I'm not, but what are you?
‘now now sarah don’t be a sore loser it is so unbecoming’
Says the man who votes 5 stars for himself, and 1 star for everyone else.
July 18, 2010 at 4:02 pm
Commentor
‘well im hardly likely to tell you that am i check it out for yourself if you dont believe me’
How about you proving it?
July 18, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Commentor
And how exactly do I check it, Jo?
July 18, 2010 at 4:35 pm
HairShirt
I, too, think you should put your money where your mouth is bloggss or shut up.
July 18, 2010 at 4:46 pm
Serendipity
I may have been around conspiracy theorists for too long, JersualemMite, but I am beginning to wonder whether his DisHonour’s bizarre summing up which led to the not guilty verdict was aimed at undermining the jury system.
The Lord Chancellor’s office has been trying to replace the jury system for some time.
I have done jury service, not in a “serious” case, but it has shown me enough to make me feel more than a little nervous. Whereas the notion of twelve ordinary men and women listening to a case and determining the fate of the accused is a laudable one, in reality the average jury is a mixed bag and some members may be scarcely literate, let alone capable of taking on board complex points of law.
My guess is that the prosecution prayed for and got a predominantly thick jury of which his DisHonour took advantage. I felt sick when I heard that the jury had access to newspapers and other media coverage of Cast Lead – we all know what that means don’t we, boys and girls?
That they were suitably primed to have their objectivity messed with by Bath Chair.
People will complain to the Lord Chancellor’s office about this wretch, but let’s not be surprised if those complaints are used to shore up the case against trial by jury. That is less expensive, after all, and it’s all about the money isn’t it?
July 19, 2010 at 4:41 pm
jobloggss
no prob since jonathan cencsores my posts i am already shut up the truth
hurts huh ?
July 19, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Ariadne
Factory damage is an affront to the rule of law
…the comparison with the suffragettes misses a vital point: the suffragettes did not have the vote or any right to participate in the political system. All those standing trial in these cases do. Anyone who opposes government policy on climate change, or genetically modified food, or arms exports to Israel can try to change it. They may not succeed. That is democracy. Anything else is mob rule.
July 19, 2010 at 6:29 pm
Happy Harry
Goodness, as a Brighton resident I never knew there was so much interest in the happenings of our tiny hamlet, or that you guys have so much time on your hand, what with bulldozing East Jerusalem, maintaining Gaza as the world’s largest prison, calling every critic an anti-semite. Our MP, our judge and our jury system found in favour of these people and that is to be respected. It is called the rule of law. I will return and explain this to you another time, or should we maybe start with international law? To be concise, Israel is not above either of these things (I know! bit of a shock to all you secular baiters) and this trial was a short lesson in that.
July 20, 2010 at 11:32 am
Commentor
Harry,
the same logic that says ‘we’ allegedly bulldoze East Jerusalem is the same logic that says one part of EDO supplies Israel because another does.
I agree, the train of logic that identifies ‘us’ with Israeli Jews of your chosen extremist persuasion is indeed the train of logic that informed Norman’s.
I didn’t call anybody here an anti-Semite, let alone any or every critic of Israel. So what would motivate you to accuse me of such a thing?
At any rate, you clearly aren’t one of Brighton’s Brightest.
July 20, 2010 at 11:33 am
Commentor
“It is called the rule of law”
i.e. breaking it if it hurts the nearest proxy for Israel you can find.
July 20, 2010 at 11:36 am
Commentor
‘I never knew there was so much interest in the happenings of our tiny hamlet’
But you can have a unique negative fascination for the one tiny Jewish state in the world?
July 20, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Yohoho
Happy Harry (???) no it wasn’t.
It was a lesson in how a biased Judge can lead a thick jury by its nose to set a precedent which can have dangerous effects for everyone. I hope you will speak up loudly in favour of the right wing thugs who might take it into their heads to smash up a mosque or madrassa which is teaching little children that it’s OK to grow up wanting to kill kufar, if they were to plead that they did it to prevent more deaths as a result of Islamism.
Beg your pardon? You don’t “believe” in Islamism?? Well that much figures.
As Commentor says, one of Brighton’s brightest you certainly ain’t.
July 20, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Happy Harry
erm…I have been following events in East Jerusalem closely so I am a bit confused by the ‘allegedly’ here. Are you an illusionist as well as a commentator? Is the whole East Jeruslam thing not really happening? Goodness me, are you like that David Irvine chap?? Israel may indeed be a tiny Jewish state, but also one that receives the highest level of US military aid and which repeatedly violates international law. Small it may indeed be, but the damage it causes to world peace, global security and the reputation of Judaism is enormous – so it is a little bit different from Brighton in that respect. Yours ever, Harry, (not Brighton’s brightest perhaps, but sticks and stones – ooops, sorry, you might not get that reference: white phosphorous and big big walls)
July 20, 2010 at 3:43 pm
peterthehungarian
Very unHappy Harry
Israel may indeed be a tiny Jewish state, but also one that receives the highest level of US military aid…
Were you a bit less ignorant maybe you would know that this is not true at all. A very big chunk of this aid must be spent in the US itself boosting the US economy, not to speak about the services Israel supplies to the US military (navy bases etc.) The biggest part of the aid is going to technological development in Israel, the results naturally are used in the US military too. The US military aid for the European NATO countries is bigger btw.
… and which repeatedly violates international law.
Maybe you should mention only one international law violated by Israel.
Small it may indeed be, but the damage it causes to world peace…
Those pesky Jews… They are defending themselves from their deadly enemies…
…global security…
True. Not Iran, not Hamas, not Hezb’allah, not the Jihadists but these bloody Israelis are endangering Brighton’s security…
… and the reputation of Judaism is enormous
Your worries regarding the damage caused to Judaism by Israel are extremely moving… there were times when your kind of European Jew lovers freely expressed their support of the Jewish religion and culture (e.g. the Brits owerwhelming acceptance of the Jews escaping the Nazis from the continent during the Holocaust). These times are of the past Harry, now you must accept the sad fact that your and your Freiser type judges’/jurors opinion about us is absolutely and totally irrelevant.
Ah and the white phosphorous what your military is using in Afghanistan…
Regarding the big walls I truly understand your anger that the security barrier saved hundreds maybe thousands of Jewish lives… Tough luck Harry.
July 20, 2010 at 5:28 pm
Commentor
‘erm…I have been following events in East Jerusalem closely so I am a bit confused by the ‘allegedly’ here.’
Of course you are. You are wriggling on the hook of being found to allege that “we” are bull dozing East Jerusalem etc i.e. of being found out to be a not very bright Brightonian racist. So you are deliberately misconstruing what I wrote as though my “allegedly” referred to events in East Jerusalem rather than your alleging “we” are doing them.
You false allegation of “we” calling “any” critic of Israel an anti-Semite would sound a little better if you hadn’t just outed yourself as one.
And you still have no evidence EDO MBM supplied or supplies ZRFAUs etc to Israel and, even if did, they certainly weren’t used in East Jerusalem.
July 20, 2010 at 5:53 pm
Commentor
‘Israel may indeed be a tiny Jewish state,”
It is the only Jewish sea, amid a host of Arab and Islamic states whose various apartheids, ethnic cleansings and war crimes interest Brightonians such as you not a bit.
“but also one that receives the highest level of US military aid and which repeatedly violates international law.’
If Israel were not strong, Israel would not exist. It violates international law no more than its neighbours, who manage to arrange an automatic Islamic majority in the General Assembly.
The UNHRC has never specifically condemned any county in its resolutions except Israel. It has never once even condemned Sudan or its government.
I know the not especially bright such as yourself think that the fact that Israel has received more UN General Assembly resolutions than any other state actually means something. Fortunately most Israelis and Americans are both smarter and more thick skinned.
“Small it may indeed be, but the damage it causes to world peace, global security and the reputation of Judaism is enormous”
Compared to what the UK, US, NATO, Russia, Turkey, Sri Lanka do in and to Iraq, Afghanistan, Chechnya, Kurdistan, Cyprus, Kurds, to name but a few, is pretty small, yes, both as to numbers of people and territory involved. In Israel-Palestine the area of land involved truly is tiny.
Turkey is killing hundreds of Kurds right now, with the help of Syria and Hizbullah. It has killed 40 000 since 1980. It has displaced 400 000, and destroyed 3000 villages. And that’s not counting Northern Cyprus (and forget about the Armenian genocide).
The Kurds have never threatened Turkey as a state. The PKK are not dedicated to eternal jihad until they destroy it. They don’t want to persecute Turks or Turkish nationalists until the day of judgment.
“– so it is a little bit different from Brighton in that respect.”
A higher average intellect, for a start.
“Yours ever, Harry, (not Brighton’s brightest perhaps, but sticks and stones – ooops, sorry, you might not get that reference: white phosphorous and big big walls)’”
You mean perfectly legal marker shells, and barriers to keep out suicide bombers? Sure. What about them?
And the reason I said you were not the brightest of Brightonians is that you managed to falsely alleged I or we were calling every or any critic of Israel was an anti-Semite while outing yourself as an anti-Semite.
That takes real genius, genius.
July 20, 2010 at 7:15 pm
SarahLeah
Happy Harry, were I you I should have a word with the ISM. The pamphlet they gave you is full of useless “information” and it makes anyone who relies on it look very foolish indeed, (and all right, that can’t be too difficult to begin with for you).
(Why is it that the collective what passes for “mind” in these excuses for people always manage to drop themselves in it because they all quote the same tropes from the same leaflets?)
I am intrigued, though. What IS your interest in this? Are you a camp follower of these ideologically challenged mortals? Wouldn’t they let you belong to their gang? Are you trying to impress them by taking on CiFWatch?
You should read Geary’s article on this blog. Although it’s a send up of the As-a-Jews who want to prove their hatred Israel to get an “in” with their leftist friends, I think that the same applies to you.
A word to the not-so-wise though – it’s not working is it? You haven’t the smarts for it.
July 21, 2010 at 10:37 am
thesystemworks
Well done, Jonathan. Nothing is as beautiful as the truth.
July 21, 2010 at 12:21 pm
jobloggss
ok trivia question…….in which country can you be convictd of rape and sent to prison in consequence of having sex with a fully adult fully consenting woman ?
July 21, 2010 at 12:43 pm
jobloggss
ok trivia question in which country can you get convicted of rape and sent to prison in consequnce of having sex with a fully adult fully consenting woman ?
July 21, 2010 at 1:31 pm
peterthehungarian
jobblogs
ok trivia question in which country can you get convicted of rape and sent to prison in consequnce of having sex with a fully adult fully consenting woman
Easy to answer. In many countries including the UK if the consent is achieved by deception as in this case.
Before you decide to dig your hole deeper the verdict would be the same in Israel if the roles were the opposite, the woman an Arab and the man a Jew.
Naturally in virtually every Muslim countries the woman would be stoned to death, consent or not. I’m speaking about your brothers in arms and hate of woman Jobbie.
July 21, 2010 at 3:12 pm
jobloggss
no one in the uk has ever been so convicted judge bathurst norman is beginning to look pretty good
July 21, 2010 at 3:16 pm
jobloggss
and what if it had been a male jew and a muslem woman would she have been convicted ? ha ha the israeli ” judiciary ” is a laughing stock. of course it always has been
July 21, 2010 at 5:49 pm
Commentor
‘ok trivia question in which country can you get convicted of rape and sent to prison in consequnce of having sex with a fully adult fully consenting woman’
Sundry Arab and Islamic states which forbid relations between Muslim women and non-Muslim men, and especially non-Muslim men who impersonate Muslims? The Palestinian Authority, for instance?
That doesn’t mean what happened in Israel is good, on prima facie evidence.
But try to resist the urge to smash up any pro-Israel supporters in Britain because of it.