The following is a speech by Jonathan Hoffman to the Israel Support Rally at Downing Street on May 31, 2010
My friends
We have all spent today glued to the screens trying to piece together what happened in the seas off the Israeli coast early this morning.
The first point to make is that Israel had every right to board the Mavi Marmara ship. Israel cannot allow unknown goods and people to enter Gaza. Gaza is controlled by Hamas, a terrorist regime that calls for the murder of Jews, the “obliteration” of Israel and its replacement with an Islamist theocracy. In the past, Israel has intercepted weapons-laden boats headed for Gaza’s coast. No government allows unidentified people and goods to flout their border regulations and enter their countries freely. If these activists behaved similarly at passport and security control in the U.S. or any other nation’s shores, ignoring their official protocol and violently attacking security personnel, they would also have been stopped and arrested.
The flotilla is organised by the Insani Yardim Vakfi, IHH, “humanitarian relief fund”).
In 2006 a Danish research institute called the Danish Institute for International Studies conducted a study which reported that in the past IHH had connections with Al-Qaeda and global jihad operatives. The well-documented study was conducted by Evan Kohlman, an American researcher who specialises in Al-Qaeda and related subjects. It deals with the involvement of Islamic charity funds and foundations in supporting terrorism. The IHH is an extremist Islamist organisation supporting global Jihad, and in this regard is no different from al-Qaeda and Hamas.
In recent years, especially since Hamas took over the Gaza Strip, IHH has supported Hamas’ propaganda campaigns by organising public support conferences in Turkey. At those conferences, which featured the participation of senior IHH figures, the heads of IHH expressed their support for Hamas and its strategy (including the armed struggle it espouses), in defiance of the Palestinian Authority, Hamas’ rival.
IHH is a member of the Union of Good, an umbrella organization of more than 50 Islamic funds and foundations around the globe, which channels money into Hamas institutions in the Palestinian Authority-administered territories. As a Union of Good member IHH has connections with other worldwide Islamic funds and foundations which support Hamas.
Israel outlawed IHH because of its affiliation with the Union of Good and because it is an important factor in Hamas’ global fund raising.
So this is the organisation that is behind this flotilla. An organization that also refused a request from Gilad Shalit’s family to take a package to him in Gaza.
I quote from the San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea (12 June 1994)
“It is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”
The flotilla was warned about breaching Israeli security regulations and was offered by both Israel and Egypt the opportunity to unload its humanitarian cargo in Ashdod and at Port Said – then it would be checked and then admitted to Gaza like all humanitarian goods. And let’s remember that the allegations of collective punishment and an Israeli blockade of Gaza are nonsense. Israel transfers about 15,000 tons of supplies and humanitarian aid every week to the people of Gaza.
But the Mavi Marmara ignored many warnings and sailed into a closed Israeli military zone.
The brave IDF soldiers were lowered onto the Mavi Marmara by helicopter. There is agonising footage taken from the helicopter which you may have seen of one of them being lowered onto the boat and then immediately assaulted and thrown onto the lower deck. He is clubbed with what looks like an iron bar. And then a large metal object. The so-called humanitarian passengers of the boat then try to kidnap him – like they kidnapped Gilad Shalit. Then they throw a stun grenade at the IDF soldiers and then a firebomb. This is all in the video. There is more footage from Channel Ten in Israel this morning which shows an IDF soldier being attacked by a knife.
The brave IDF soldiers tried to board the Mavi Marmara peaceably. Because the organisers of the flotilla had said they would resist peacefully. Israel took them at their word. At first the Israeli soldiers tried to use “paintball rifles” such as are used to disperse minor protests, such as the ones held in Bilin on a Friday about the separation barrier. They did have hanguns but they were to be used only as a last resort, to ensure minimum casualties. They would only use them in a life-threatening situation.
And that is what happened. It can be seen in the footage from the helicopter and from the side of the boat. Their lives were threatened. The “peaceful” humanitarians used knives, stun grenades, firebombs and metal pipes. The Deputy Foreign Minister of Israel said in his Press conference this morning that two guns were used.
Nevertheless when they came down from the helicopter, the brave IDF soldiers kept on shouting to each other “don’t shoot, don’t shoot,” even though they sustained numerous blows.
The result was tragic loss of life which we all regret. Some of the pro-Palestinian activists dies and five IDF soldiers were wounded, two critically. The wounded – and that includes violent activists – are receiving medical treatment in Israeli hospitals.
People of good will everywhere should condemn the violence perpetrated by the so-called “humanitarians” on those soldiers as they came down from the helicopter. It is on film for all to see. We call on the new UK coalition government to condemn the violence used by these so called “peace activists” who are a handicap to those in both Israel and Gaza who want to coexist in peace. We say “yes to peace, no to Hamas; yes to peace, no to extremism.“
But above all we salute the bravery of the IDF soldiers who carried out this operation. We wish those who are wounded a Refuah Shlehma, s speedy recovery. We salute their bravery and the bravery of all the IDF soldiers who keep Israel safe, who have done so for 62 years and who will go on doing so, whatever the provocation, whatever the slurs in the media and whatever the lies put out by our enemies.
G-d Bless the IDF.






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May 31, 2010 at 11:51 pm
AKUS
Bravo, Jonathan!
The “international waters” thing is the only fig leaf that these Hamas fellow travelers have with which to hide their naked intentions, which is why it is being so aggressively hyped up, and you have blown it away with your reference.
June 1, 2010 at 12:40 am
Heres to Davy.
Jonathon
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The peace movement was let down by the attacks on the soldiers and the lesson is that non violence must be taught. The use of metal clubs is unforgivable and fuel for the fervent pro Israelis who will see the protestors as the bad ones.
The Israel haters will claim this is ” piracy” . It is not piracy, as the Israeli vessels carried a military commission. It is rather an act of illegal warfare.
Because the incident took place on the high seas does not mean however that international law is the only applicable law. The Law of the Sea is quite plain that, when an incident takes place on a ship on the high seas (outside anybody’s territorial waters) the applicable law is that of the flag state of the ship on which the incident occurred. In legal terms, the Turkish ship was Turkish territory.
” The brave IDF soldiers ”
Not the IDFs finest hour or most intelligent use of these soldiers. Their fathers parachuted into overwhelming odds taking great losses from a hardened and worthy opponent…these guys parachuted onto a large boat with a bunch of undisciplined, scared , untrained protestors armed with sticks and clubs. It was hardly the Golan re-enacted.
An illegal and stupid act.
June 1, 2010 at 12:48 am
Michael
They should have done what the French or british or Obama would have done, Sink the lot and be done with them.
June 1, 2010 at 12:52 am
Jonathan
“The peace movement”
What “peace movement” clubs, assaults and stabs other people?
What “peace movement” uses stun grenades, knives, firebombs and metal pipes?
What “peace movement” glorifies “martyrdom operations”?
Five boats allowed themselves to be taken peacefully into Israeli ports.
Why not the Mavi Marmara, Berchmans?
June 1, 2010 at 12:52 am
Heres to Davy.
Jonathon
” then try to kidnap him – like they kidnapped Gilad Shalit. ”
I forgot to say two things…one that despite the illegality not being mentioned this was a reasonable article in the circumstances and two the above is an own goal unnecessary and a little paranoid.
June 1, 2010 at 12:58 am
Jonathan
” …. own goal unnecessary and a little paranoid”
Er why Berchmans? It’s true……..
June 1, 2010 at 1:02 am
Heres to Davy.
Joathon
The peace movement in general I meant ..sorry. Those of us who would oppose any violence anywhere and have consistently pointed to other areas of violence of way more significance than the IDFs on virtually every thread.
I will state as clearly as I can….an assault on a soldier with a metal club is unacceptable and such a person must face international justice. Such a person cannot be permitted to deliver aid to Gaza and these people must be vetted more carefully when the next convoy sets off. … this time of course.. protected by the Turkish Navy
June 1, 2010 at 1:15 am
armaros
“this time of course.. protected by the Turkish Navy”
Wow Berch looks like you re taking talking points from someone:
http://loganswarning.com/2010/05/31/turkey-next-time-israel-will-have-to-deal-with-our-navy/
Needless to say, NATO will not embroil itself with someone else’s war. So keep dreaming of Turkish Navy escorts. Especially since they are involved in a war themselves with the PKK.
Perhaps a flotilla for the starving children of Turkish Kurdistan?
Didn’t the IHH run into trouble with Egypt when Galloway was hobnobbing with them? I recall dead and wounded Egyptian soldiers and such…
June 1, 2010 at 1:24 am
Louise
Many people in Turkey are horrified at what the regime is doing. The economic situation makes it worse.
June 1, 2010 at 1:35 am
peterthehungarian
…this time of course.. protected by the Turkish Navy…
New wet dreams Berchmans? What happened with your previous fantasies?
June 1, 2010 at 2:10 am
Gili
Great piece, Jonathan.
Is it by chance that all the naive Scandinavians and Co. were on the “non-problematic” boats and the IHH people on another? THE IHH is very careful to hide its barbarism and true intentions from its European supporters.
June 1, 2010 at 2:36 am
rwillmsen
Er there was no Israel support rally at Downing Street, just thousands of outraged people, jews and otherwise, who like me love, respect and support Jewish people but hate Israel and its murderous barbarous activities.
June 1, 2010 at 3:01 am
Greensleeves
love, respect and support Jewish people but hate Israel and its murderous barbarous activities.
Some of my best friends are Turkish…
June 1, 2010 at 3:06 am
peterthehungarian
rwillsmen
who like me love, respect and support Jewish people but hate Israel and its murderous barbarous activities.
You dear mister are confusing Israelis with someone else who gives a shit about your emotions. Your hate of Israel is perfectly understandable – you hate others who are standing up for themselves and who are strong enough to defy your kind of losers.
June 1, 2010 at 3:17 am
Heres to Davy.
peterthehungarian
“New wet dreams ”
This is unfair. I have already apologised for calling you an “inconsistent pervert”. I explained that I had been exhausted and was posting first thing in the morning . I over-reacted. This was a mistake and I admitted it.
By no stretch of the imagination are you inconsistent.
June 1, 2010 at 3:34 am
Greensleeves
Gili I am sure that the more peaceful people were on the other ships but refusing to take a letter to Gilad Shalit is a red line that they should have noticed.
June 1, 2010 at 3:58 am
Silke
Peter
I think you are wrong about wet DREAMS – Davy is a big boy he is awake and active while …
But seriously:
according to the IDF website the “peace”hooligans were not of the amateur kind, they were experienced and what I saw comparing them wielding sticks to what I remember of fishermen throwing big stones to wake the fish or farmers swinging an axe splitting wood they move differently.
Therefore I feel sure that there were guys in action who had undergone training for exactly these kind of operations i.e. they were a kind of paramilitary commando. Which makes me ask: is Erdogan tolerating the building of a second military in Turkey? If yes, lets wish the good Turks luck, they’ll need a lot of it.
June 1, 2010 at 4:01 am
Yvetta Bagel
Great speech. This deserves to be better known to those alleging piracy, as so many are:
San Remo Manual on International Law Applicable to Armed Conflicts at Sea (12 June 1994)
“It is permissible under rule 67(a) to attack neutral vessels on the high seas when the vessels “are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture.”
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June 1, 2010 at 4:41 am
Heres to Davy.
Silke
” pro-Israel me sincerely hopes they got at least a real good clubbing. ”
Let her who is without sin…let her castigate others habits .
I often wonder what do decent folk like Israeli nurse ( and Hawkeye who can be OK) think of you lot making sexually abusive references on their threads.
June 1, 2010 at 4:41 am
mostly harmless
Thanks for the propaganda from the spokesperson for the IDF.
June 1, 2010 at 4:45 am
HairShirt
Berchmans, the only reason that it was not Israel’s finest hour, as you put it, was because they treated this shower as if they were reasoned and reasoning human beings.
What sort of peace convoy takes knives, slings and iron bars with it?
Are you honestly asking us to believe that it put the “poor Palestinians” first?
It didn’t give a damn about them!
No, the IDF got it badly wrong, but only because they didn’t use live ammunition from the beginning when these animals began attacking their soldiers.
Any other army would not have pussy-footed around this neanderthals.
June 1, 2010 at 4:46 am
HairShirt
Berchmans
are you saying that sexually abusive references are OK only on CiF?
You know what I mean, giving Anne Frank a blast and all that…
June 1, 2010 at 4:54 am
SarahLeah
Berchmans you were obviously still drunk this morning and didn’t listen to the Today programme in which Evan Davies got well and truly shafted by an expert in maritime law from UCL.
Said expert, when asked whether Israel had broken international law said “no” and referred to the laws that Yvetta quoted from above.
Davies obviously was shocked but wobbled on to his next question, the old chestnut about proportionality. Again said expert ran rings about him.
The upshot was that the disproportionality argument was moot. (Do you know what moot means, Berchmans? It means “questionable”)
So you’re talking rubbish as usual, aren’t you?
Try to get this through your thick, probably drunken head – just because you think a thing, that doesn’t mean that it is hard, established fact!
June 1, 2010 at 5:09 am
Bob Latchford
“If these activists behaved similarly at passport and security control in the U.S. or any other nation’s shores, ”
Nicely avoiding the fact that these people were not at anybodys passport control, or on any nations shores, infact they were 22 miles away from Israel’s extended 68 mile exclusion zone. They were in International Waters, on a vessell bearing the Turkish flag, ergo, on Turkish land.
I understand Israel struggles with the concept of borders and International Law, but even their paid chickenhawks like Jonathan Hoffman cant explain this one anyway.
Public opinion has swung. Those who didnt have an opinion, now have an opinion. Pick up any newspaper in any European City today, and see the outrage amongst the people.
The game is up
June 1, 2010 at 5:17 am
Heres to Davy.
HairShirt
“You know what I mean, giving Anne Frank a blast and all that…”
Is that it ? A partial quote from 4 years ago? Thats your attack? You take it easy my friend. BTW Parisa is back on CIF … it was to her the post was originally addressed. She looks great. I told her.
June 1, 2010 at 5:18 am
Ariadne
SarahLeah
I heard that. And others can hear it on “Listen again”.
June 1, 2010 at 5:33 am
Yohoho
Berchmans, you have a nerve mentioning Parisa, whom G-d bless. You’re not even fit to kiss her feet.
I hope she gives you a wide berth.
And Berchmans, having been a child protection officer, surely you must know that child abuse cannot be cured in the accepted sense of the world, so four years ago is a blink of an eye.
Mr Latchford, public opinion as you see it (ie benighted and tabloid press, in which I include al-Grauniad) – has not changed in its hatred of Israel.
However, intelligent people who think for themselves believe that Israel had to act in her best interests and did so. These “peace activists” were spoiling for a fight and the IDF gave them one, but not the bloody nose I would have wished for them from the outset.
I will repeat to you what was written to Berchmans elsewhere on this blog: Just because you think a thing doesn’t make it true!
If you can possibly hold that thought in your tiny mind you may come across as half-way civilised and a worthy debating partner. Until then …..
June 1, 2010 at 5:36 am
Joe Millis
Some light relief among the self-promotion
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/international/israel-just-making-it-easier-for-guardian-readers-to-look-good.-201006012778/
June 1, 2010 at 5:36 am
Anon1
No government allows unidentified people and goods to flout their border regulations and enter their countries freely.
Either Israel withdrew from Gaza or it still occupies it.
If it withdrew from Gaza then has no right to control what goes in or what goes out, (except at the common border between the two countries).
That does not mean that I disagree with past Israeli actions such as Cast Lead. If the Gazans carry out acts of war or permit them to occur on their territory then that is justification. Nor do I have an truck with the proportionality arguments. Once we pass the threshold justifying war the primary responsibility is to win.
However, I can’t see the sense in this. Israel must have known how “activists” would react and more importantly, how the world media would report. Far better to have let the ships land unmolested and film arms being unloaded (if that was the worry).
June 1, 2010 at 5:38 am
Jonathan Hoffman
@Latchford
” …even their paid chickenhawks like Jonathan Hoffman”
Chickenhawk?
Possibly – What’s wrong with chickenhawks?
Paid?
No…….
June 1, 2010 at 5:45 am
Silke
Ariadne/SarahLeah
and download it for keeps and distribution here for about a week from now (I haven’t listened myself yet but two read “suspisicious”
http://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/best-of-today/id73330187
June 1, 2010 at 5:48 am
Silke
now ain’t that cute?
yesterday morning the anti-Israel crowd was claiming it was 200 miles, during the day it came down to 70 miles and now Latchford has it at 22.
Again and again they expose themselves with no help from me
as rumour mongers of the most evil kind i.e. quick quick get the bad news out there never mind the facts just invent them, only be quick and loud and repetitive.
June 1, 2010 at 5:51 am
JerusalemMite
Bob Latchford
The game is up
And what game would that be?
June 1, 2010 at 5:52 am
SarahLeah
Ariadne, look again at the “Listen Again” section on line.
You will see blatant, anti-Israel bias.
Ambassador Prosor’s interview was not recorded from the start, but began where he said that some things had not gone well (no doubt to shore up the bias of the BBC).
I have made a formal complaint. May I suggest you do the same.
June 1, 2010 at 5:54 am
Yohoho
Berchmans, “… let her who is without sin….” etc etc.
Eugh….
This is nauseating coming from Berchmans.
Has anyone got the sick bucket?
June 1, 2010 at 5:55 am
SarahLeah
Ariadne and others, forgot to add that the BBC Today page write up of the interview with the maritime law expert is also selective and biased.
June 1, 2010 at 5:56 am
SarahLeah
Silke, I think Latchford must work for the BBC.
They seem to be singing from the same song sheet.
June 1, 2010 at 6:03 am
Joe Millis
Jonathan, you ask what’s wrong with chickenhawks.
They have the bravery of being out of range.
June 1, 2010 at 6:13 am
Heres to Davy.
Yohoho
.
” you have a nerve mentioning Parisa, whom G-d bless. You’re not even fit to kiss her feet. ”
I think I am!
The point I am making is that Israel is needing all the support she can get…do you use legal precedents? do you use moral authority ?? Appeals to reason ?? No you use a half quote from me from 4 years ago to defend her…with support like that shes doomed Cpt Mainwarring Doomed !
June 1, 2010 at 6:35 am
mostly harmless
I look forward to the footage of the commandos shooting the passengers – I’m sure the Israeli’s have it – wonder why they won’t release it?
There will also be lots of footage from the passengers which will come out over time, footage that hasn’t been deleted or seized by the Israeli’s that is.
June 1, 2010 at 6:45 am
Silke
more and more of the e-mail updates I get from the posts I have commented on yesterday and today read like spoofs in fact like whole nonsensical conversations going on – if there is any sense in it at all it seems geared at pitching several real commenters against eachother.
June 1, 2010 at 6:46 am
Yohoho
Actually, numbnuts (sorry, mostly harmless) the terrorists (oops “peace” activists) shot their own men with the guns they took from the first Israelis they beat up.
I guess you haven’t seen all the videos yet, have you, particularly the one in which we see an Israeli soldier getting stabbed (peaceably of course so I guess that makes it less serious or painful, doesn’t it) and the cache of peaceful and life-affirming weaponry which the Israelis confiscated. My guess is that there’s a lot more than knives on board that ship which is why these peaceful animals behaved as they did.
Berchmans, of course Israel consults lawyers (and Israeli Jewish lawyers are the best in the world, bar none) before she goes on any mission. The legal precedent for taking over this floating terrorist camp is crystal clear to everyone except you, it seems.
The boat blew it, so to speak. Too bad the IDF wasn’t more heavyhanded.
June 1, 2010 at 6:55 am
Snigger
See http://www.justjournalism.com/media-analysis/view/peace-activists-or-violent-attackers-how-the-media-narrative-on-flotilla-incident-is-shaping-up
The charmer in the first photograph is really quite something, isn’t he, and he he isn’t holding a swizzle stick.
And the last video clip bears out what Denis MacEoin has written on AKUS’ thread, see http://cifwatch.com/2010/05/31/what-should-israel-do-now/
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May 31, 2010 at 9:03 pm
Denis MacEoin
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To me, the most significant thing about the ‘peace activists’ is that a large number of them were filmed chanting ‘Khaybar, Khaybar, ya Yahu, Jaysh Muhammad sa-ya’ud’. This is much like the ‘anti-war activists’ after Gaza who chanted ‘Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas’. In Muhammad’s lifetime, there were three Jewish tribes in Medina, a city he controlled after 622. He attacked and expelled one tribe, the Bani Qaynuqa, who were forced to go up as far as Syria. Not long after, he expelled a second tribe, the Bani Nadir. Finally he attacked the third tribe, the Bani Qurayza, beheading all the men (starting with boys barely in puberty), and selling all the women and children into slavery. Some time after, he attacked and expelled another Jewish tribe in a place called Khaybar. Since then, not a single Jew has been allowed to live in the Arabian peninsula. It is significant that the boat people chanted this (it’s a Hezbollah song, I think). It states their intentions towards any Jews they might encounter. They are jihadists, and their attacks on the soldiers must be seen in that light. Unfortunately, Barack Obama, David Cameron, and all the other world leaders haven’t a clue what Khaybar means. Out of that ignorance comes great peril for all of us. “
This lot never meant to be peaceful, which casts the Turkish government in a very bad light indeed.
June 1, 2010 at 7:11 am
mostly harmless
@snigger
Thought I would have a look at the link you posted just in case it was a worthy site. Surprise surpise, the Advisory Board reads like the top 10 of Israeli stooges & apologists – try widening your reading list.
June 1, 2010 at 7:17 am
zoidberg
mostly clueless-
‘try widening your reading list.’
i think that the appropriate phrase is ‘backatcha’…i’m sure that your reading list is more restricted than you suggest that snigger’s is.
June 1, 2010 at 7:22 am
Joe Millis
Seems Ron Prosor isn’t reading from the same hymn sheet (or should that be siddur?) as you:
Ron Prosor, Israel’s Ambassador to the UK, has said the storming of a flotilla carrying aid to Gaza was not a success.
He told the Today programme’s John Humphrys: “It’s obvious – and I won’t beat around the bush on this – that this wasn’t successful and I think it clearly took up an issue that should have been solved differently.”
And I got this link from the Israeli embassy in London.
Also, for the Hebrew speakers among you, I’d check the lead story on Maariv (http://www.nrg.co.il/online/1/ART2/114/800.html?hp=1&loc=1&tmp=8457), which claims that this was a Bibi-Barak fuck up and senior ministers are calling on Barak to go. Shit hitting fan in Israel, it seems.
June 1, 2010 at 7:27 am
Silke
I am becoming obnoxious by repeating myself but here it is:
read this http://www.tnr.com/article/world/75123/turkey’s-other-dirty-war and if you can find any hint in it that paramilitary training venues exist in Turkey i.e. a kind of parallel military that I have overread, let me know.
As the authors are relatives of the accused generals they would have had any reason to at least hint at such a scandalon, they didn’t and what they, i.e. the regular military, didn’t know you blame Israeli intelligence for not knowing? really?
the “peace”hooligans were trained and prepared for this or any other event and now the wounded get sent on to Turkey – let’s hope somebody extracted the bullets before that in an emergency surgery. There seems to be reports from witnesses at Israeli radio that the thugs shot at their own people.
June 1, 2010 at 8:12 am
Yohoho
Silke, I would not be at all surprised. They even took little children along, no doubt to use as human shields and to display them if they were shot (or if they themselves shot them).
Joe Millis, you don’t know what Ron Prosor meant by not a success or should have been solved differently do you? How do you know that he didn’t meant that the IDF should have been given more powers from the outset at least to wound these lunatics? And I note that you don’t mention how obnoxiously Humphreys treated him on air.
You also don’t mention how, in an attempt to “prove” that Israel broke international law, Humphrey’s oppo interviewed a maritime law expert from UCL and came to grief because he didn’t get the answer he expected or wanted – ie said expert said that Israel had not broken any international laws.
And this is very damning of the “peace” convoy, don’t you think?
mostly harmless, you should look at it too….
June 1, 2010 at 8:24 am
terry malloy
Does anyone know the status of the seriously wounded Israeli soldiers? I hope they are doing well.