A storm recently erupted at Leeds University when the Leeds Student, a student newspaper, published an interview with Sameh Habeeb, founder of the notoriously antisemitic Palestine Telegraph. When asked by Laura McKenzie, the interviewer, about whether the editors of CNN, BBC and Sky have a hidden agenda, Habeeb replied as follows:
“They are certainly pro-Israeli. I think you have to ask yourself who controls the media.”
The accusation that Jews control the media is pretty much standard fare for antisemitic discourse having its roots in the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
However, when confronted with such a blatant example of antisemitsm, it should come as no surprise that a good portion of below the line commenters in the Guardian’s coverage of the incident were perplexed by the suggestion that Habeeb was being antisemitic (helped along by the fact that no mention at all was made of Habeeb’s connection to the Palestine Telegraph nor the latter’s virulent antisemitism):
And I wager that if you were to ask every single one of these posters whether they think themselves as anti-racists, every single one would say yes.
Well if you can’t spot racism how are you supposed to combat it? And if you look to justify racism, well what does that make you?


















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May 22, 2010 at 12:48 am
Richard Tebboth
All I would add to this debate:=
Add “Gaza” to your Google routine search terms and see what comes up.
May 22, 2010 at 2:40 am
Israelinurse
The British public were provided with a role model on this subject over a year ago from then Government Minister Ben Bradshaw.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7848614.stm
Bradshaw kept his job and as we see above, the message in that to British society was not wasted on the punters.
May 22, 2010 at 3:31 am
peterthehungarian
The Guardian’s public learnt the lessons of Oborne and Jones well.
Thhose guys must be very proud of themselves.
May 22, 2010 at 4:41 am
zoidberg
israelinurse-
thanks for the bbc link…i’d not heard that before….makes me even more glad that i didn’t vote for that party this time round.
May 22, 2010 at 5:29 am
Jonathan
IN – not only did Bradshaw keep his job, he was promoted to the Cabinet
May 22, 2010 at 6:30 am
Jonny Moses
It is the bigoted and arrogant European mindset that believes it is the moral arbiter of not only what is offensive and prejudicial to Jews, but what constitutes a Jew in the first place – (evidenced by Yazman’s comment on cif). We can see them performing their cognitive summersaults to prove to themselves that their instinctive hostility towards the Jewish collective is a reflection of a progressive and enlightened outlook of the world, while dismissing legitimate concerns to the contrary as the work of ill- mannered Zionists who always spoil the party with their malicious accusations of anti-Semitism.
But I’m going to leave the final say on this curious strategy in self-denial – that is deployed so regularly in anti-Israeli discourse, to someone who really does know a thing or two about anti-Semitism; Sam Sperling, son of Hershl – a Treblinka survivor.
“[Europeans] want us to associate Mozart and fine cuisine with their tradition and yet they still cannot face the more essential aspects of their culture – the two-thousand-year-old pathological hatred of Jews, based on a supposed love of one Jew and a vitriolic revulsion of the rest of us. This is still the way in Europe when it comes to feelings about Israel – the Israel-hating left-wing offspring of right-wing European Jew-haters. Most of them are so infected that they don’t even understand.”
Quoted from Mark Smith’s book: ‘The life and death of Hershl Sperling’.
May 22, 2010 at 6:31 am
yohoho
“…Well if you can’t spot racism how are you supposed to combat it? And if you look to justify racism, well what does that make you?…”
Very true, Hawkeye.
Berchmans take note!
May 22, 2010 at 6:53 am
MindTheCrap
Here is an interesting exchange involving one of our favourites, raymonddelauney:
1. Raymond replies to Santamoniker:
raymonddelauney
20 May 2010, 3:40PM
SantaMoniker
“As you’re a patriotic American who watched your own ship the USS Liberty get bravely bombed by the Israeli Air Force – I guess we should be quaking in our boots.”
Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it …
You haven’t responded to the illgegal and premeditated murder of your fellow countrymen by the Israeli Airforce.
2. I reply to Raymond:
MindTheCrap
20 May 2010, 4:42PM
raymonddelauney :
“As you’re a patriotic American who watched your own ship the USS Liberty get bravely bombed by the Israeli Air Force – I guess we should be quaking in our boots.”
And you are a patriotic Brit who watched the “Cap Arcona” get bravely bombed by the RAF – I guess all Israelis should be quaking in their boots.
Please respond to this “illegal and premeditated murder” by your fellow countrymen.
3. Raymond’s reply:
raymonddelauney
20 May 2010, 5:07PM
MindTheCrap
“And you are a patriotic Brit who watched the “Cap Arcona” get bravely bombed by the RAF – I guess all Israelis should be quaking in their boots.
Please respond to this “illegal and premeditated murder” by your fellow countrymen.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cap_Arcona#Sinking
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/raf-pilots-tricked-into-killing-10000-camp-survivors-at-end-of-war-634445.html
Unlike this horrific incident, which occurred while Britain was still at war with Germany, the USA as far as I am aware has never been at war with Israel.
——–
An interesting response: Britain is allowed to kill Jewish civilian holocaust survivors on a cruise ship because they “were still at war with Britain”, but Israel is condemned for accidentally attacking an American warship while still at war with Egypt. The usual British double-standard.
Even more interesting is the Independent article he links to. Not only is the date of the incident omitted (May 3, 1945, when the war was all but over) but also the headline states: “RAF pilots tricked into killing 10,000 camp survivors”. But exactly how were they tricked ? The article offers no explanation. It is simply the usual apologetics for British war crimes from the British media that always dismisses every argument put forth by Jews. What hypocrisy !
May 22, 2010 at 8:32 am
FoolMeOnce
I think the pictures the posters assigned to themselves say it all:
The Big Lebowski, Ahmadinejad, and a stone statue covering its eyes…
What more can you say?
May 22, 2010 at 9:53 am
terry malloy
I think some of the blame has to be placed on the failure of educational institutions, parents, teachers and others to explain the history of anti-Semitism, what was done to Jews, and the connection between the anti-Semitic tropes and anti-Semitism in practice. Far too many people are totally clueless about Jews, Judaism, and the relationship between the Christian (and Muslim) world and Jews. That said, I do not relieve individuals from their responsibility in uttering or believing the anti-Semitic canards.
May 22, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Heres to Davy.
yohoho
“…Well if you can’t spot racism how are you supposed to combat it?Berchmans take note!”
Laughable. I am the only one here to have actually studied racism… the rest think because they experienced it or have lost folk they understand it. You see a fraction only…what you want to see.
May 22, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Heres to Davy.
Hawkeye
“virulent anti Semitism ”
My last comment before I go away on holiday. ” virulent” ??? I keep saying…understate …”virulent” is so hackneyed and overstated it cheapens the article . ”
I repeat,, understate.. somebody apart from these yes folk will appreciate you. Just call it “anti Semitism” it is so much more effective.
May 22, 2010 at 1:55 pm
peterthehungarian
Professor Brochmans
Laughable. I am the only one here to have actually studied racism…
Did your scholarship include the “blasting” of child victims of the Holocaust? TheHamas Charter too?
Relax asshole we have studied it on the field for 2000 years…. And we have an excellent teacher now…you.
May 22, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Greensleeves
“I am the only one here to have actually studied racism… “
Typical Berchmans-type comment. This is the self-confidence of a liar who makes easy, throw-away generalisations because facts have no value for him. He has no idea of who is reading this, nor what they have studied.
May 22, 2010 at 2:40 pm
Jonny Moses
Berchmans, you seem a bit over-excited about your holiday. You mention its approach at every opportunity. But that’s not a criticism, just an observation.
My criticism is with your idiotic remark about you being an intellectual powerhouse of anti-racism who dwarfs everyone else (combined?) with your academic prowess in this field. But you should know Berchmans, that having an exam certificate isn’t everything, and that modesty is more virtuous than a misplaced belief in your own self-importance.
May 22, 2010 at 4:17 pm
John
Jonny Moses
Thanks for that quotation – I was struck by this:
the Israel-hating left-wing offspring of right-wing European Jew-haters.
Subtle observation. For these sons and daughters of the right-wing Jew-haters, their response was to hate the ‘overt’, ‘nazi’ antisemitism of their parents’/grandparents’ generation (see the Beider Meinhoff gang, 68 generation etc)- but not to recognise that they carry the same disease – unconscious and unexamined Jew hatred now channelled into hatred of ‘Zionists’ (who control the media, control US policy, suborn British democracy, murder children, poison water, steal human organs, guilty of ‘dual loyalty’, guilty of bringing war and discontent into an otherwise peaceful world, guilty, guilty, guilty – killers of God and Godliness).
May 22, 2010 at 5:23 pm
FoolMeOnce
A correction:
When I detailed the avatars of the CiF posters mentioned here (The Big Lebowski, Ahmadinejad, and a stone statue covering its eyes), I unforgivenly forgot to mention the first one-
Two cat behinds, one with a napkin sticking out of it.
This was a crucial miss by me and I apologize.
Great thinkers, all great thinkers. their avatars show a keen intellect and a clever sense of taste.
Again-
A drugged bum
Mahmud Ahmadinejad
A statue covering its eyes
Two cat behinds, plus napkin.
I can’t get over this. Terrific bunch.
May 22, 2010 at 5:27 pm
FoolMeOnce
Heres to Lovey Dovey.
“My last comment before I go away on holiday”
Am I guessing correctly that there will be an internet connection in that say holiday? hmm?
May 22, 2010 at 7:02 pm
Ariadne
FoolMeOnce
I don’t know how you figured out the cats’ behinds. My cat’s behind has a lovely little waggly body in front of it.
If you wanted to show “ugly” would you choose something scatological to do it? Or, in the manner of Hogarth, make it sexual?
Is there a psychologist of the abnormal here?
May 22, 2010 at 7:03 pm
SarahLeah
Are you going, mayhap, to the Holy Land, Berchmans?
And re your answer to Yohoho, did you study how to do it? If your record on CiF is anything to go by it looks as though you passed summa cum laude (and you have all the correct and preternaturally stupid attitudes) and you do your teachers proud.
Did the ArchBungler give you extra lessons or was giving Anne Frank a blast your own creative twist?
May 22, 2010 at 7:05 pm
Ariadne
And on “Davy” if he’s studied racism why doesn’t he know what it is?
May 22, 2010 at 7:11 pm
SarahLeah
Terry Malloy, I am not sure where the blame should be put. People who hate Jews tend not to know any well enough and to lack the smarts to find out and think critically.
Jews are an easy target also because they don’t have the exaggerated sense of entitlement or hair-trigger inclination towards violence and acting out shown by other groups, notably cranked-up Muslims. Therefore the haters think they are a pushover and in the case of the Order of the Trembling Israelites which represents the Jewish community in the UK, they are. As regards this last, they seem not to have realised yet that if they bury their heads in the sand they leave their backsides exposed for a good kicking.
Islamists, crackpot Lefties and others would certainly think twice about mixing it with Jews if they presented the same threat as Muslims who have been hyped up by the Islamist manipulators of them.
May 22, 2010 at 7:14 pm
Yohoho
Berchmans, I’m missing you already (not!)
You are rather like toothache – it’s lovely when it stops.
Have such a good time that you won’t want to come back.
May 22, 2010 at 7:44 pm
PeterParker
Berchmans:
>
>
I am the only one here to have actually studied racism…
At which college/university was that Birchy? Or did you pick some books off a bookshelf – all of which were neutral in their outlook of course.
Live long and prosper.
May 23, 2010 at 12:16 am
TomWonacott
The interesting lie here is that Jews control the press, yet the European far left media couldn’t be more anti Israel. The growth of the delegitimization of Israel has its roots in the European left which includes the media. CIF Watch monitors the Guardian because the UK based media outlet openly promotes anti Jewish bigotry.
What Sameh Habeeb said was entirely predictable. So were the responses by the Guardian faithful………
May 23, 2010 at 12:41 am
Irit
Too bad Berchtesgaden wasn’t on that Indian plane instead of an innocent Indian.
May 23, 2010 at 2:41 am
Toko LeMoko
Johnny Moses has hit the nail on the head:
Both Europe and the Muslim world have hated, persecuted, and murdered Jews for one and one-half milennia, with nary an iota of acnowledgement, of remorse, of penance, or or recompense. The Guardian is an arch-typical example of this morally bankrupt tradition.
May 23, 2010 at 10:15 am
richardhutton
Well, I really don’t think you guys are left with much of a leg to stand on considering your own stated position that the media is governed by a ruling clique of anti-Semites, liberals and leftists; and that this putative conspiracy has an anti-Semitic agenda. If it’s acceptable for CIFWatch to generate minor scandals over supposed conspiracies then you can’t really complain if somebody else follows suit: TomWonacott’s “The interesting lie here is that Jews control the press, yet the European far left media couldn’t be more anti Israel” For example.
For Habeeb’s own views on the incident see:
http://www.paltelegraph.com/columnists/sameh-a-habeeb/5844-israel-judaism-and-anti-semitism-by-sameh-a-habeeb-
ElderofZiyon’s posts have no merit – hence his/her writing under a pseudonym: because he/she tells fibs, and presumably enjoys a career which would be jeapordised thereby. The same is true of ‘Harry’s Place’, except that they presumably lack enjoyable careers – hence the chips on their shoulders. Something I’m sure you will find helpful, Hawkeye:
http://richardhutton.wordpress.com/2009/10/25/due-consideration-the-richard-goldstone-report/
@Toko: “Both Europe and the Muslim world have hated, persecuted, and murdered Jews for one and one-half milennia”
they haven’t – the Sephardics were granted refuge in Muslim countries after being expelled from Catholic Spain; whilst Iran provided safe passage for Jews fleeing Iraq in 1947 – many of whom stayed, and consider themselves proud Iranians of Jewish faith:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/iranian-jews-blast-offer-of-cash-for-immigrating-to-israel-1.225507
Modernisation, the fall-out of imperialism and the tensions in the middle east borne of Arab nationalism, Israeli and US policies are more pertinent factors than prejudice or hatred as far as the middle east is concerned.
I agree that Europe’s history was depressing for long enough mind; but it was not only Jews who were victimised therein – the centuries of warfare between Catholics and Protestants for instance; or the fate of millions of people under the auspices of the Third Reich or Stalin; but the behaviour of governments hardly reflects on civilians. None of which justifies victimising other people thereby, however.
@SarahLeah: “Jews are an easy target also because they don’t have the exaggerated sense of entitlement or hair-trigger inclination towards violence and acting out shown by other groups, notably cranked-up Muslims”
The irony therein does not merit being dignified in light of Israel’s supposed right to occupy the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem at the expense of non-Jews; less still the massive amounts of violence involved in repression. Chauvinism lies at the heart of that entire polity; and while it may not be exaggerated, it is certainly histrionic.
@Irit: “Too bad Berchtesgaden wasn’t on that Indian plane instead of an innocent Indian”
If you’re going to be that coarse towards people, then it seems to me at least that actual anti-Semitism is going to prove inevitable. As above, if you’re going to create a rod for your own back, you can’t really complain when it’s used.
@Israelinurse: “The British public were provided with a role model on this subject over a year ago from then Government Minister Ben Bradshaw.
Bradshaw kept his job and as we see above, the message in that to British society was not wasted on the punters”.
Let’s look at what Bradshaw – and the article you cite – actually said:
“The BBC says it cannot show the appeal by the Disasters Emergency Committee because it does not want to compromise its commitment to impartiality. But health minister Ben Bradshaw, a former BBC journalist, said it was “an inexplicable decision” and that the reasons given were “completely feeble”.
and
“The International Development Secretary Douglas Alexander had urged all the broadcasters to reconsider this decision in light of what he called “the great human suffering still taking place in Gaza”.
But BBC Director-General Mark Thompson wrote back saying the appeal might jeopardise the public’s confidence in the BBC’s impartiality.
The BBC’s chief operating officer, Caroline Thomson, said it had to be “very careful” over the broadcast of such appeals”
And then the article notes:
“Mr Bradshaw said the BBC’s reasoning was flawed.
“First, the one about delivery – the British government is giving £25m to Gazan relief, we don’t have a problem getting it in. There’s no reason why there should be any problem getting the relief in.
“Secondly, this nervousness about being biased. I’m afraid the BBC has to stand up to the Israeli authorities occasionally.”
Aye – why wasn’t Bradshaw fired for criticising the BBC’s cowardice?
And you’re right – the 60 million people in Britain all got ‘the message’: that a politician had more backbone and integrity than a public broadcasting company.
I would feel remiss if I didn’t point out your own hypocrisy regarding the BBC though, Israelinurse.
May 23, 2010 at 10:22 am
jane schlitz
European anti-semitism/anti-zionism will never cease, it’s used as an escape valve to deflect attention from their own problems. This evasion of their own countries underlying problems is allowed to foment to such a degree that when they finally are forced to face the realities of the underlying problems…..well maybe they will never have to?
What offends most about British “anti-zionism”(antisemitism) is the pompous self indignant “who me” attitude of those who espouse it. The pretense that the Brits are somehow different from other europeans and were never quite as “anti-semitic” ……laughable!
May 23, 2010 at 11:02 am
Zach
Nice one, Hawkeye. They will never admit that a comment is anti-Semitic, because then it might mean that some Palestinians are anti-Semitic. And that’s not a reality that they can face.
May 23, 2010 at 12:01 pm
peterthehungarian
Hutton
I would feel remiss if I didn’t point out your only real diamond of wisdom in your self-marketing pure, unadultered and concentrated crap.
If you’re going to be that coarse towards people, then it seems to me at least that actual anti-Semitism is going to prove inevitable.
Antisemitism is caused by the Jews themselves. Priceless!
Please keep it on posting please!
May 23, 2010 at 2:39 pm
SarahLeah
“…If you’re going to be that coarse towards people, then it seems to me at least that actual anti-Semitism is going to prove inevitable. As above, if you’re going to create a rod for your own back, you can’t really complain when it’s used. …”
Aah…. the Berchmans manoeuvre, the Jew causes antisemitism, played here by richardhutton!
Don’t you even realise what you did?
Tell me richardhutton, why exactly should “actual anti-Semitism” (sic) be “inevitable” because of what Irit wrote to the idiot Berchmans?
Because she has blue eyes?
Or brown eyes?
Or green eyes?
Because she has brown hair, or ginger hair or whatever?
Or because all of the above and the fact that she just happens to be Jewish?
Should I become an anti-richardist because one richard, you, made a crassly insensitive apology for antisemitism by implying that Irit brings it on herself?
I’d bet you’d be first in the queue to accuse me of the equivalent of anti-richard discrimination if I did that.
May 23, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Germolene
Oh for shame SarahLeah some of my best friends are called Richard — it’s the others who give them a bad name, like the one called Hutton who is too ignorant to know the theme of Abu Mazen’s thesis and not gifted enough to know how to use the internet to look it up.
sigh
on the other hand there are those who welcome the name Richard Richard who really live up to the stereotypes.
May 23, 2010 at 4:16 pm
Toko LeMoko
SarahLeah, well-done.
When will the UN be holding its hearings on the world-wide problem of anti-Richardism? Will it be condemned as racism? Will HRW use it to raise funds from Saudi?
LOL
May 23, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Toko LeMoko
Jane wrote, “European anti-semitism/anti-zionism will never cease”
Careful there, Jane. The TwistedPretzel will accuse you of racism for your use of the word, “European.”
May 23, 2010 at 4:54 pm
jane schlitz
Now, now Toko….I will have to inform Pretzel, that European is not a race, so how could I be a racist….or for that matter anti-european, as there really is no such thing as a EuroPeon, it’s all made up and these people all came from somewhere else, converted and should all go back to where they came from or better yet, Texas!
May 24, 2010 at 4:40 pm
zkharya
‘The irony therein does not merit being dignified in light of Israel’s supposed right to occupy the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem at the expense of non-Jews’
Hutton cheerfully ignores the fact that Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians fought sundry wars to eliminate any kind of Israel for at least 40 years, and some are still doing so. Not to mention their expelling every Jew from all lands they occupied, including the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem i.e. at the expense of non-Arab Muslims and Christians.
May 25, 2010 at 5:51 pm
pretzelberg
jane schlitz
European anti-semitism/anti-zionism will never cease
Sadly I see no let-up in the foreseeable future, at least.
Toko LeMoko
Careful there, Jane. The TwistedPretzel will accuse you of racism for your use of the word, “European.”
See my comment above.
Either you have a child-like brain or you are deranged.
@ jane schlitz
Same message.
Grow up or grow a brain.
Again I have to ask: who are the 2-digit-IQ morons who recommended the posts by said morons?
May 26, 2010 at 10:16 am
pretzelberg
As for the article: I likewise assumed the worst when I first saw the comment about the media.
But on reflection I’d say it’s unwise to assume that this was “a blatant example of antisemitsm”.
The poster glemvalley might have a point, after all. Although it would be likewise unwise to assume that they are right and that Habeeb was not necessarily talking about Jews.
May 26, 2010 at 2:50 pm
Toko LeMoko
But on reflection I’d say it’s unwise to assume that this was “a blatant example of antisemitsm”.
Same old Pretzel – “hear no evil, see no evil” where anti-Semitism is concerned.
Well, I have news for the resident anti-Semitism-minimiser: Implying the Jews control the media is anti-Semitism, and your strenuous efforts to minimise or deny anti-Semitism (including your denial of Arab-Nazi collaboration) tarnish you with the same stain.
May 26, 2010 at 4:14 pm
Toko LeMoko
Zhkarya
“Hutton cheerfully ignores the fact that Palestinian and other Arab Muslims and Christians fought sundry wars to eliminate any kind of Israel for at least 40 years, and some are still doing so. Not to mention their expelling every Jew from all lands they occupied, including the West Bank, Gaza and East Jerusalem i.e. at the expense of non-Arab Muslims and Christians.”
Correct. Hutton also ignores the docmented decision of the San Remo conference – with the concurrence both of the major powers and of Arab and Jewish representatives – to award the Jews Palestine and Trans-Jordan, and to award the Arabs the remainder of formerly-Ottoman Mideast.
May 26, 2010 at 4:58 pm
pretzelberg
Toko LeMoko
Well, I have news for the resident anti-Semitism-minimiser:
What a deranged thing to say – as evidenced in the continuation of your comment …
Implying the Jews control the media is anti-Semitism
Of course it is.
Feel like an idiot? You should do.
May 26, 2010 at 5:03 pm
pretzelberg
Toko LeMoko
… the docmented decision of the San Remo conference – with the concurrence both of the major powers and of Arab and Jewish representatives – to award the Jews Palestine and Trans-Jordan
I literally burst out laughing on reading that insane nonsense.
May 26, 2010 at 5:21 pm
Toko LeMoko
Well, well, Pretzel denies his own words.
Pretzel wrote: “Implying the Jews control the media is anti-Semitism” Of course it is.
Yet at 10:16 am on this very thread, he said the opposite (concerning a CiF poster’s assertion that the Jews control the media):
”
Pretzel said, “[Citing Toko:]… the docmented decision of the San Remo conference – with the concurrence both of the major powers and of Arab and Jewish representatives – to award the Jews Palestine and Trans-Jordan.
Pretzel commented: I literally burst out laughing on reading that insane nonsense.”
Thus Pretzel shares with Freedman a propensity towards ignorance of Mideast history and a stubborn refusal to engage in research or to educate himself – even when pointed in the direction.
May 26, 2010 at 5:35 pm
pretzelberg
Toko LeMoko
Well, well, Pretzel denies his own words …Yet at 10:16 am on this very thread, he said the opposite
Please do point out where I said that saying Jews controlling the media is not anti-Semitism.
You can look long and hard (not that you’ll bother) and you’ll find nowt.
[Glemvalley said, "This is not necessarily an anti-Semitic remark"]
And I said that “it would be likewise unwise to assume that they are right”
Strange that you cut off my post before that bit!
While you’re there: please do reveal to the world where I said that “the Economist and Shepherd are wrong when they document Europe’s hatred of Israel” (as you claimed on the Psychedelic Mushroom thread).
If you can’t (and you won’t be able to, of course), then have the decency to apologize. If you aren’t man enough to do that, then why not just leave this website.
May 26, 2010 at 8:24 pm
Toko LeMoko
Pretzelberg wrote here concerning the CiF poster’s allegation that Jews control the media:
May 26, 2010 at 10:16 am / pretzelberg/ But on reflection I’d say it’s unwise to assume that this was “a blatant example of antisemitsm”.
Sorry, Pretzel, you cannot wiggle out of it; normal, decent human beings know that for an incontrovertibly anti-Semitic remark.
And I said that “it would be likewise unwise to assume that they are right” Strange that you cut off my post before that bit!
In other words, you wish to be neutral between those who recognise the Jews-control-the-world allegation’s blatant anti-Semitism and those who do not. Sorry, you’re digging your putrid, morally insensitive self in further.
You also added, for good measure, “The poster glemvalley might have a point, after all.” [Glemvalley said, "This is not necessarily an anti-Semitic remark."] Thus once again you denied the blatant anti-Semitism inherent in the allegation that Jews control the media.
If you can’t (and you won’t be able to, of course), then have the decency to apologize. If you aren’t man enough to do that, then why not just leave this website.
You said it right here. In response to a poster’s coment about “arrogant European posturing,” you called him/her “A racist after all.”
So, to you, Bataween’s excellent article was not sufficient evidence of obvious anti-Semitic Arab pro-Nazi activity (including murder of Jews); however, to you, a single word is enough for you to brand another poster with the label “racist”. That’s quite a double standard you have of proof; you deny anti-Semitism after thousands of words of proof, yet (when Jews are not concerned) you decide on “racism” on the basis of a single word.
The poster was right that European posturing on Israel is arrogant; Shepherd has marshaled a volume-full of proof, and the Economist has admitted as much. Do you wish to brand both Shepherd and the Economist “racist”? Oh, wait, they’re not Joooooooz, so you hld your tongue.
Further, your dismissal of Arab pro-Nazism as just anti-colonialism is a disgusting echo of Bolshevik dismissal of anti-Semitism as just a desirable “socialism of fools.” What delightful moral company you keep.
then have the decency to apologize
On the contrary, you owe an apology to the entire Jewish people for your continual minimsing of their justifiable concerns and fear concerning anti-Semitism; you owe an apology to Mizrahim for your one-line dismissal of their concerns with Obama; and you owe an apology to Bataween for the high-handed manner in which you dealt with not one but two of her articles.
then why not just leave this website
Your browbeating me in an attempt to silence criticism, is extremely aggressive, but not so aggressive as your repulsively and contemptuous dismissive remarks on Bataween’s well-researched material.
If you don’t cool both your aggressivity and your repeated apologia for anti-Semitism, I’ll suggest to the blog that it ban you.