This is a cross post by Zach of the Brothers of Judea sharing his war stories from the HuffPo that are reminiscent of what we experience over at “Comment is Free”
In the short time that I have been watching the Huffington Post and it’s readership, the topic of anti-Semitism has been brought up many times. Sometimes people accuse other people of being anti-Semites. Sometimes they shouldn’t have done so. Sometimes there are articles about anti-Semitism or a famous Holocaust denier. Sometimes Huffington Posters rail against unspecified “Jews” about overusing the “anti-Semitism card,” such as it is. I have come to the conclusion that among the more extreme members of the Huffington Post (and the other communities from which they hail) there is a war against anti-Semitism.
And I don’t mean that in a good way: They are not fighting to end anti-Semitism in the way the War on Drugs was supposed to end illegal drug use or the War on Poverty was supposed to end poverty. What the anti-Zionists want to do is simply to destroy the term “anti-Semitism” so that it is never used again, or at least is rendered utterly meaningless. This effort takes many different forms, and at this point I have seen them all.
1. Claiming that Jews are the one watering down the term by conflating criticism of Israel with hatred of Jews. This might happen sometimes, but not often, at least not compared to the amount of times that this accusation has been made. Here is an example.
2. Claiming that there is no anti-Semitism, there are only paranoid, thin-skinned Jews who play the race card, usually for their own nefarious purposes or to silence criticism of their actions. Here is an example.
3. Claiming that anti-Jewish thoughts or actions is not based on bigotry toward Jews, it is only a “reaction” to bad things that Jews do, most notably Israel. In other words, there is no such thing as bigotry toward Jews, or more simply, “anti-Semitism.” In other words, if there is negative sentiment toward Jews, it is only because the Jews deserve it. Here is an example.
4. Claiming that the Jews are the ones who “create” anti-Semitism (or see it where it doesn’t exist) because otherwise they wouldn’t be able to play the victim card, among other selfish gains. Here is an example.
5. And probably the weakest argument of all, the etymology argument: That “Semites” means Semitic peoples, therefore “anti-Semitism” doesn’t mean hatred of Jews, in contrast with the fact that it has always meant that and always will. It is ultimately meaningless and pointless, but on every anti-Semitism thread and many Israel-related threads people will pull it out. Here is an example.
If none of the above strike you as particularly problematic, consider taking the Jews out of it: If someone told you that racism doesn’t exist, it is only black people who play the race card, would you take him seriously? At best, he is hopeless naive. What if he told you that black people just keep fabricating instances of racism (or seeing it where it doesn’t exist) to keep white people feeling guilty about slavery and segregation? Or that they accuse everyone who criticizes President Obama of racism and isn’t that awful? Funny how when Jews are removed from the equation, things become a lot simpler, eh?
One quick note before I go any further: As much as the above comments are often made, there is one accusation that overshadows them all. The accusation that is in fact Jews who are overusing the term “anti-Semitism” to the point where it is going to become meaningless. How are they doing this, you might ask? Oh, of course, by accusing anyone and everyone who doesn’t toe the party line on Israel of anti-Semitism. This is utter crap, of course. Accusations of anti-Semitism are made, sometimes fairly, sometimes unfairly. It is only in the minds of the anti-Zionists that everyone who criticizes Israel is slandered that way, and if they were at all honest, they would admit it. Meanwhile, their efforts to annihilate anti-Semitism continues.
Now at this point we must ask, “why?” What do the anti-Zionists have to gain from removing the term “anti-Semitism” from public discourse, whether by shaming anyone who brings it up, by claiming it isn’t real, or by trying to prove the term itself is meaningless? Assuming, of course, that they aren’t all in fact anti-Semites and don’t want to be called on it, which I personally don’t think is the case.
One possibility is that they simply don’t want to deal with accusations of anti-Semitism, whether real or false. I know that there are some users who play the card unfairly, though they don’t do it constantly, and I am sure that can get annoying. This would seem to be the most likely possibility, though many anti-Zionists take it too far and get into “the strawman” aka argument #1 above.
Another possibility is that anti-Zionists want the freedom to slander Israel in any form they choose, including those that cross the line into anti-Semitism. As discussed in this video, just because someone says something anti-Semitic doesn’t mean that they are an anti-Semite…but just because they aren’t an anti-Semite doesn’t mean that they can’t say something anti-Semitic. Anyway, the best example of this is comparing Israel and Nazi Germany, which under the EU’s definition is anti-Semitism. The anti-Zionists complain about this whenever it is brought up, saying that “the Jews” are trying to manipulate the definition of A-S to censor critics of Israel. Of course, they then go on to compare Israel with Nazi Germany, so I guess that censorship isn’t very effective.
The question must then be asked, though, if the anti-Zionists really just want to criticize Israel honestly and fairly, why do they feel the need to compare it with Nazi Germany? Surely they can criticize Israel just as strongly without resorting to what any reasonable person would agree is nothing more than slander? Is it because Nazi Germany is an emotional weak point for Jews, as I have discussed before?
The only thing that the definition of anti-Semitism prohibits is extreme or unfair attacks on Israel, including double standards and attacks on Israel’s existence. Maybe that is exactly what the anti-Zionists want to do, but they can’t as long as the term anti-Semitism, putting a clearly anti-Jewish agenda into black and white, exists. Therefore, it must be destroyed.






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April 24, 2010 at 1:52 am
Toko LeMoko
HuffPo is as much a cesspool of anti-Semitism as the Guardian. The Brothers of Judea are doing a highly-laudable public service.
April 24, 2010 at 3:18 am
Heres to Davy.
“conflating criticism of Israel with hatred of Jews. This might happen sometimes, ”
Yes it does. Its very hurtful and counterproductive.
April 24, 2010 at 4:00 am
Greensleeves
Guess who trivialises key issues like antisemitism and attempts to delegitimise Israel with a description like ‘hurtful’.
April 24, 2010 at 5:47 am
Heres to Davy.
Greensleeves
“Guess who trivialises key issues like antisemitism ”
An antiSemite? Just a guess like. Others would well aware…would never forget it ever..nor over employ it in a battle.
April 24, 2010 at 6:40 am
ahasonist
Greensleeves,
I really don’t understand your post. Where specifically in the two sentences Heres to davy says does he/she trivialise antisemitism?
For that matter, how does finding accusations of antisemitism ‘hurtful’ delegitimise Israel? If this poster is anything like me, perhaps the reason the accusations are hurtful is because the very idea of antisemitism sickens them. Finding antisemitism repulsive and not wanting to have anything to do with it doesn’t undermine Israel in the slightest.
April 24, 2010 at 8:54 am
AKUS
Thanks to the Brothers I have started dipping into the putrid waters of the HuffPo’s Israeli columns.
It is hard to believe, but the level of “discourse” there is worse than at the Guardian, the quality of the commentary below the line generally being of the type associated with “white trash”.
But in general, the HuffPo looks and reads like a tabloid – it is astonishing that so many apparently senior and respectable people write for it, and possibly read it – though, I must say, they seem to stay well away from the I/P area from what I have seen.
Keep up the good work – frankly, it is tough to even go there, since it the comments often read like a collection culled from the worst of the anti-Semitic websites.
April 24, 2010 at 9:15 am
Zach
@AKUS:
“It is hard to believe, but the level of “discourse” there is worse than at the Guardian, the quality of the commentary below the line generally being of the type associated with “white trash”.”
Indeed, we have been meaning to do one of those Stormfront/HuffPo comparison articles that you guys do sometimes. The ironic part, though, is that as mean and nasty as the HuffPosters are toward Israel and it’s supporters, that’s nothing compared to their treatment of people with different politics. Go onto any thread involving, say, Glen Beck and get ready for a thrill ride.
It seems that on the HP, and the Guardian, name-calling and abusive comments is just an accepted part of the discourse. Toe the line, or else.
And Hawkeye thanks for posting the column.
April 24, 2010 at 9:55 am
TomWonacott
Zach
Thanks for the article.
Below the line commenting at the HP is some of the worst I’ve seen. The level of ignorance is remarkable in some cases. However, after reading many of the comments at the Washington Post related to the IP conflict, I didn’t see much, of any improvement there either.
The Guardian obsession with the IP conflict seems to be one difference. The US has so many issues besides the IP conflict that interest the American population these days, although the Obama administration has brought the IP conflict to the forefront recently.
April 24, 2010 at 11:30 am
smtx01
antisemitisim today is indeed a minefield, it is no longer the same anti semitisim of my youth, NF skinheads chasing people down the road yelling Yid this and Yid that, Paki this and Paki that,Coon this and coon that. Back in those days I could see the enemy, but today I cant, And furthermore I honestley do not understand them, take berchmans, and a million other berchmans, I honestly do not believe they are bad people in a way that would not stand up2 a racist thug attacking us, i think they would defend an indian a Jew, a Muslim, but how did such a massive amount of people(and not just looners on cif) but a left wing in general get to this state, a state in which, they mock anti semitisim, say its is sumit to do with Israel/cast lead etc, and these same people have no interst in the abuses, in the awful brutal abuses carried out by Arab regimes against their own Muslim people, I do not, in my heart understand it, I dont understand the left, the right, Arabs in the diaspora, i dont understand any of it, like i have said, i do not believe these are at heart racist people, I see that in every age, in every centiry there is a certain hate, be it from left/right, enlightenment thinkers/philosophers against Jews,am i paranoid, i dont know
April 24, 2010 at 12:08 pm
censorship is free
good article . no other prejudice is de-legitimized like anti-semitism.i have heard the jews aren’t the only semites line.it is facile.my response is,”what does gay mean?happy or homosexual?”.huffpo is another hate site,like cif.
April 24, 2010 at 3:52 pm
peter1
“I honestly do not believe they are bad people in a way that would not stand up2 a racist thug attacking us, i think they would defend an indian a Jew, a Muslim, but how did such a massive amount of people(and not just looners on cif) but a left wing in general get to this state, a state in which, they mock anti semitisim”- smtx01
Watching us however, standing up and defending ourselves is a different matter.
Knowing that we are now able to fight back is a different matter.
Knowing that had their been an Israel- there wouldn’t have been a holocaust.
You see it in the way they gush all over the house Jews, they are so enamored of the good Jew, the nice Jew, the ghetto Jew.
April 25, 2010 at 12:01 am
JerusalemMite
censorship is free
good article . no other prejudice is de-legitimized like anti-semitism.i have heard the jews aren’t the only semites line.it is facile.my response is,”what does gay mean?happy or homosexual?”.huffpo is another hate site,like cif.
It is strange how the two sites degenerate into platforms for rabid antisemites to post their filth.
The obsessiveness of CiF for posts finding fault with Israel seems to have decreased slightly BUT, they still host comments from rabid antisemites without allowing serious criticism of these hate filled people.
Moron seems to have been ‘deaded’ but LaRit, Berchmans and EdwardRice are still allowed.
I could perhaps accept the obsessiveness of CiF if they also had parallel obsessiveness for such human tragedies as Darfur, Chechnya and Sri Lanka. But they don’t. In fact, anything negative about Muslims seems to be air brushed out of their news coverage going to manipulation of their readers.
Short articles without comment allowed about some Israeli aberration are commonplace. Not about Arab or Muslim countries.
April 25, 2010 at 12:56 am
Heres to Davy.
JerusalemMite
” Berchmans and EdwardRice are still allowed.
I was warned twice but apologised and then wrote about 500 posts calling for peace with no conditions. I particularly begged for no attacks on Israel on at least 200 times ….you will have seen a few of these.
No one else on the Israeli side calls for a campaign to stop attacks on Israel on CIF… I feckin do.
Have you seen this?
Cat Stevens: ‘They have hijacked my religion’
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cat-stevens-they-have-hijacked-my-religion-632656.html
April 25, 2010 at 6:05 am
epidermoid
Cat Stevens: ‘They have hijacked my religion’
This is an account by an innocent singer lured to a religion he wholly misinterpreted, for want of those discretionary powers that might have lead him to mature, rather than regress to the stifling confines of irrational belief. Like many who post as Muslims, he has as much knowledge of Islam as does the village Catholic of Vatican theology. There are many like him. We still have the occasional ‘Religion of Peace’ nonsense, but there are the ‘no compulsions in religion’ and the, ‘its as if he had killed’ and the, ‘men and women are equal’ and even the comparison of the OT with the Qur’an, which has the attraction to the student of these things of a confusion as to the details of both religions.
April 25, 2010 at 8:05 am
pretzelberg
Not sure about the need to get so scatalogical, but I would at least agree that some of the coverage about I/P is too speculative and at times even irresponsible.
epidermoid
“Israel is as poor in this battle of mendacious wits as she is proficient in the field, perhaps because of the nature of Judaism, whereas Islam, and particularly Arab Islam, is founded on culturally acceptable deceit from the everyday business of tribal survival, to the exegesis of Qur’anic verse.”
That is a massive “perhaps”, you know.
Israel/Judaism = laudable
Muslims = mendacious?
Or did I read that message between the lines wrongly?
April 25, 2010 at 8:08 am
pretzelberg
Sorry – totally wrong thread!
Although I see not wholly irrelevant, given epidermoid’s continued bigotry displayed here.
What if someone were to say “We still have the occasional ‘Religion of Peace’ nonsense” re. Judaism?
April 25, 2010 at 9:47 am
Zach
“It is strange how the two sites degenerate into platforms for rabid antisemites to post their filth.”
It’s actually not strange at all. I don’t know for sure about CiF, but I know that HP is a warm cocoon for people who will slander Israel to the extreme and then take that next logical step. Even taking the talkbackers and moderation aside, there are five to ten anti-Israel blog posts for even pro-Israel blog post. News coverage of stories that make the Israelis look bad (such like the Dubai assassinations or Schumer disagreeing with Obama) are given multiple articles and top coverage. Lies about Israel are given a headline and then no correction once the truth is revealed, like General Petraeus’ comments.
All in all it leads to a site where Israel-haters (and the inevitable Jew-haters who follow along with them) are welcomed and encouraged to preach their hatred. And not every site is like that.
April 25, 2010 at 10:57 am
Toko LeMoko
“What if someone were to say “We still have the occasional ‘Religion of Peace’ nonsense” re. Judaism?”
You have a moral problem with proportion. Over the past quarter-cetury, religion-motivated killing by Christians, Jews, and Hindu have been a tiny fraction of those by Islam.
Consult theReligionOfPeace.com. There have been tens of thousands of sch Islamic killings since 9/11, without even counting the one to two hundred thousand in Algeria by the MIA/GIA in the 1990′s.
April 25, 2010 at 1:34 pm
JerusalemMite
Toko LeMoko – You have a moral problem with proportion. Over the past quarter-cetury, religion-motivated killing by Christians, Jews, and Hindu have been a tiny fraction of those by Islam.
Indeed the bottom line to Cat Stephens should be – ‘Look at Muslim societies around the world and witness the endemic violence. Some dispensed to Kuffers, Other violence to other Muslims. Iraq, Afghanistan and Pakistan.’
However, his ramblings indicate that he is to far ‘gone’ for any serious introspection.
April 25, 2010 at 2:30 pm
Ariadne
JerusalemMite
I believe Cat Stevens is Sufi. Then I think that most Pakistanis are Sufi…