These were not my words but those of Guardian contributor, BeatonTheDonis, from an undeleted comment garnering 154 recommendations in the Weingarten thread yesterday:
And when pro-Israel poster, toryzionist came on scene to critique Weingarten’s drivel, this is what BeatonTheDonis had to say (again undeleted):
Now try saying F*ck the Fascists in a post to the likes of the protected antisemitic posters such as Berchmans, Papalagi, Raymonddoolalley, Dogbreath and BeatonTheDonis and I bet you your post won’t last longer than the time it takes to say “Antony Lerman and Miri Weingarten are verstinkener self-hating Theobald Jews”.
In fact toryzionist tried defending himself and guess what happened?
And the Guardian’s protected retorted with this (once again undeleted):
Then we have TheHebrewHammer having a crack:
But the mods were having none of that:
Then we have smtx01 weighing in with this:
And once again she meets the same fate as all the other pro-Israel posters before her who made the mistake of defending themselves against an ad hominem attack:
Now by this time you’d think that after so much bad language in the thread, the moderator would delete the offending post that is the source of all this. But in the Orwellian world of “Comment is Free” such is not the case. Here’s archedbrow giving as good as he gets.
Which is met with a summary deletion:
Now what can be clearer evidence here of double standards at play?
I suggest you write to Matt Seaton, the editor of ‘Comment is Free’ at matt.seaton@guardian.co.uk or Georgina Henry, executive editor of ‘Comment is Free’ at georgina.henry@guardian.co.uk and DEMAND NOTHING LESS THAN THE MODERATOR BE FIRED.
UPDATE
Over 24 hours later, BeatonTheDonis’ 9.12am post has now been deleted without a trace. The original offending post is still up – clearly the Guardian thinks that this kind of discourse is acceptable and appropriate. Nice.
















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March 16, 2010 at 2:21 am
BeatonTheDonkey
In fact I replied to BeatonTheDonkey’s
“Fuck’em,and good luck to you”
I posted “Fuck you and good luck to them”
Needless to say my post was deleted.
We are dealing here with nasty fascists,who don’t like dissent.Fuck them.
March 16, 2010 at 2:24 am
Margie
Wonderful justice moderator.
I wonder whether you will be paid a premium per deleted comment
or whether the cif will have the grace to acknowledge its bias, apologise
and sack the mod!
Nah!
March 16, 2010 at 2:26 am
Germolene
berchmans was not the first to comment here, as he usually is.
I bet he’s run to Georgy-Porgy to report.
March 16, 2010 at 4:26 am
JerusalemMite
As I have said before, the much vaunted Guardian ‘moderation policy’ is really just a tool to enable The Guardian/CiF to manipulate the remaining flow of the comments into a ‘channel’ that fits The Guardian World View.
Fuck free speech.
March 16, 2010 at 6:01 am
ItsikDeWembley
Sorry to spoile the fun but just out of curiosity, did anyone reported abuse with regards to this comment?
Anyone?
Had some one did and it was left standing you have a very strong case.
March 16, 2010 at 6:08 am
Biodegradable
What a bunch of fucking cunts!
March 16, 2010 at 6:11 am
AKUS
Welcome to JNews – actually, JGuardian.
March 16, 2010 at 6:13 am
AKUS
For a taste of what is to come, here’s a bit of wishful thinking at JNews:
As the US falters, EU foreign policy chief flies in
Ashton visits Israel, West Bank, Gaza: Can the EU take the lead?
By JNews Editorial
Monday, 15 March, 2010 – 07:45
London, UK
—-
Pardon me – isn’t she the EU’s answer to Sarah Palin, but not as good looking?
March 16, 2010 at 6:16 am
AKUS
Here are the lists of JNews “alternative views” of Israel. They actually manage to outdo the Guardian in scraping up every bit of dirt they can find:
As the US falters, EU foreign policy chief flies in
No Hiding Place for War Criminals and Torturers
JNews fulfils an urgent need
JNews launch today in London
Ajami – Not just a Film
Fencing ourselves in
Background paper: Sheikh Jarrah – Jewish settlement and Palestinian dispossession
EU Parliament endorses Goldstone report, supports Israeli NGOs
The Israel Medical Association must investigate allegations of doctors’ involvement in torture
Gender-segregated buses spark controversy in Israel
As the US falters, EU foreign policy chief flies in
Israel denies responsibility for Gaza amputees
EU Parliament endorses Goldstone report, supports Israeli NGOs
Tel Aviv municipality to combat Jewish girls dating Arabs
Ajami – Not just a Film
Background paper: Sheikh Jarrah – Jewish settlement and Palestinian dispossession
Gender-segregated buses spark controversy in Israel
A Gaza night in Norway
Home demolished in Arab neighbourhood in Jaffa, Israel
March 16, 2010 at 6:24 am
germolene
They deserve a description title. Jdirt-diggers? Jiggers?
March 16, 2010 at 7:14 am
BeatonTheDonkey
I pressed the panic button quite a few times in fact,on the donkey’s posts,I don’t usually do this.But I was pissed off that her posts are still up there whilst mine got deleted.
In fact a few of my posts from that thread were deleted.
March 16, 2010 at 7:18 am
BeatonTheDonkey
Imagine having to wake up to the EU’s foreign policy chief’s face every morning.
March 16, 2010 at 9:52 am
JerusalemMite
ItsikDeWembley
Sorry to spoile the fun but just out of curiosity, did anyone reported abuse with regards to this comment?
When one complains, one risks being banned oneself. This is the Guardian/CiF interpretation of free speech par excellence.
March 16, 2010 at 10:21 am
Abandon hope
” the likes of the protected antisemitic posters such as Berchmans ”
I take offence at this.I am not protected!
March 16, 2010 at 10:49 am
Abandon hope
Germolene
” I bet he’s run to Georgy-Porgy to report.”
No. I dont press “abuse”. I think I have maybe 6 times since it stated. It is not my style… which is to highlight the offending post using ridicule and wit but then to hope it stays so that folk can see it.
What’s the point of spending ages dismantling somebody’s low brow post if the evidence is gone?
March 16, 2010 at 11:14 am
TomWonacott
I’m sure that Beatonthedonis thinks that she is fighting fascism, but the real fascism comes from the way that the far left attempts to dominate the debate by limiting free speech. This same kind of thinking led to the ban on Michael Savage and Geert Wilders from setting foot in England.
March 16, 2010 at 12:17 pm
GaryO
Nick Cohen:
“There are no frontier posts on the Left of politics, no pale to go beyond. You can move further and further away from the centre, move so far, in fact, that you turn the circle and join the fascists and it still doesn’t matter. Whatever you do, your “leftist” credentials will protect you from criticism, as surely as a Foreign Office passport protected British colonists in the age of empire”
From here:
http://www.standpointmag.co.uk/features-march-10-where-the-far-left-joins-the-far-right-nick-cohen-western-guilt
Pretty much sums up where the Guardian editorial is going. They chuck terms like fascists and racists etc. at others in the hope that no one will call them one.
March 16, 2010 at 12:30 pm
JerusalemMite
Abandon hope
No. I dont press “abuse”. I think I have maybe 6 times since it stated. It is not my style… which is to highlight the offending post using ridicule and wit but then to hope it stays so that folk can see it.
Once again you expose what a rank liar you are.
I have seen you comment many times on Ci(F) that you have complained to the moderators about this or that post.
Such a liar Berchmans.
I can’t understand why this site tolerates you.
A hypocrite and a liar.
Be off, Sys.
March 16, 2010 at 1:09 pm
peterthehungarian
JerusalemMite
Berchmans is not only lying but overestimates himself.
What’s the point of spending ages dismantling somebody’s low brow post if the evidence is gone?
He couldn’t dismantle a twopiecesuit – it would be too complex for his extremely modest intellect…
March 16, 2010 at 1:14 pm
terry malloy
GaryO- Joining the circle is exactly where anti-zionism/anti-semitism has taken the putatively leftist Guardian. If we were to examine the politics of all the below the line commenters on the threads that are reviewed at CiFWatch I would expect to find a fair number of far right individuals and some centrists in addition to the expected set of far out leftists, who on most matters, save Israel and Jews, would have little in common. Maybe the Guardian should advertise itself as the great unifier. “WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.”
March 16, 2010 at 1:14 pm
peterthehungarian
Tom
I’m sure that Beatonthedonis thinks that she is fighting fascism…
I think that you are mistaken. I’m conviced that this is the only way she can vent her hate of Israel and compensate her frustration being a nobody outside of CIF.
March 16, 2010 at 1:24 pm
pretzelberg
That was a ridiculously juvenile comment by Beaton.
The thing is: you hardly ever see anyone on CiF calling people like Weingarten a “self-hater” or “Arab-lover”!
So what the f*ck is Beaton on about – except for playing to the gallery?
The one reason I could understand the post not being deleted is that it’s technically not aimed at any specific poster.
The poster toryzionist was not as such “defending himself”, was he?
On that point, I would initially have disagreed with Hawkeye’s use of the term “ad hominem attack” – except, of course, that Beaton right afterwards then couldn’t help themselves and effectively did call toryzionist the f-word.
All in all rather cheap and nasty, it has to be said.
@ Biodegradable
Cheers for that clip – I’ve not heard it in a good 20 years. I’ve already got the giggles in anticipation …
March 16, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Matt Pryor
The Times is getting just as bad these days. I really don’t know what’s happened to our media. There’s not a single newspaper that I can now in good conscience buy. Very sad.
March 16, 2010 at 1:34 pm
TomWonacott
Margie
“….and sack the mod!…..”
Sack em? He just might have guaranteed himself a position on the editorial board……
March 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Abandon hope
JerusalemMite
.
” extremely modest intellect…”
You must be careful about implying others are dimmer than you.It means when they win an argument ..that you have been bested by someone not as bright as you. I always speak to folk as if they are brighter than me.That way little ol me can 5H@9 folk who are way way smarter than me.
March 16, 2010 at 1:53 pm
Snigger
germolene, berchmans says he’s not protected. He’s the resident charity case on CiF – they need him to make the other posters look intelligent although it rarely works.
And pretzelberg, “juvenile” is not exactly the word I’d choose. What worries me is that I have come to expect such shennanigans from al-Grauniad/CiF
And I know you are a nitpicker, pretzel, but ffs can’t you give it a rest?
There is often no rhyme or reason for deletion of posts by CiF Mods other than their own highly questionable SUBJECTIVE assessment of what is laughably called the community policy. Prof Alderman is a case in point – the mods were too thick to make sense of the context of his post. They made it his fault that they were stupid!
This happens far too often on CiF.
Matt Pryor, we had guests over the weekend who brought in the Guardian. When they left I used it to line the bins.
March 16, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Yohoho
Dopey, why must JersualemMite be careful of implying that you are thicker than almost anyone who posts here? Are you lying yet again? Are you going to “burst forth” and dazzle us with your scintillating intellect any time soon?
Or at least stop telling lies?
Prove you’re not thicker than the average knuckle scraper on CiF Berchmans. C’mon, impress us.
Or shut up once and for all.
March 16, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Jubilation1
Berchmans please keep your ideas about Israel away from me. You’ve got no idea what’s happening and your phrasing is often insulting, for instance this, today..
Berchmans
16 Mar 2010, 2:18PM…………………….
.
II always argue that in terms of esprit de corps, up to date weaponry , a sugar daddy to replace all munitions and gung ho machismo..
March 16, 2010 at 3:18 pm
Toko LeMoko
Terry
Maybe the Guardian should advertise itself as the great unifier. “WE BRING PEOPLE TOGETHER.”
The Guardian is indeed the great unifier – of anti-Semites of both far-left and fa-right, both secular and Islamist. This is, of the course the same idea which has underlain most horrific instances of violent prejudice throughout history:
- the Guardian unites left and right, secular and Islamist in hatred of Jews
- the Protocols united the Russian nobility and peasantry in hatred of Jews
- the “socialism of fools” united the international proletariat in hatred of Jews
- the Stürmer united all Germans – rich and poor, powerful and downtrodden, right and left – in hatred of Jews
- the Armenian genocide united secularist “Young Turks” and Ottoman-Islamist “Old Turks”.
- the KKK’s lynchings united all strata of white Southern US society.
The Guardian should be known, and judged, by this, the company it keeps.
March 16, 2010 at 3:20 pm
HairShirt
I think Berchmans should be the CiFWatch errand boy and demand of Georgina Henry that the moderator in question should be fired.
With a bit of luck and if there is any justice in this world, she’ll probably shoot the messenger….
March 16, 2010 at 3:31 pm
pretzelberg
@ Snigger
Sure, I likewise could have used any number of other words to sum up Beaton’s comment.
I chose “juvenile” because I was reminded of a classmate when I was 12 calling a teacher a “fucking fascist”.
This is the level of debate of Beaton.
March 16, 2010 at 3:36 pm
armaros
The Guardian mods are like Soviet era figure skating judges.
I often found that posts which directly de-construct the author are deleted, as I guess, they are considered as attacks on the writer and posts attacking regular thugs like BeatinonPenis are deleted for “balance”.
I think it is futile to discuss why but just expose that this is how debate is managed on Cif. If you oppose the GWV, you are in for a Show Trial.
March 16, 2010 at 3:46 pm
pretzelberg
I wish to complain about the comment-ratings system!
Biodegradable’s blast from the past Pete & Dud link had 6 votes and a 4.5 stars rating. I gave it the full thumbs-up, but alas to no avail. The overall rating hasn’t budged!
March 16, 2010 at 4:59 pm
sababa
I’ve never seen an article on Cif by this Beaton character. But he or she sure seems to have a lot of time to post… Maybe Cif likes the posts so much that he/she was taken on as a “Contributor”? Are there others who “contribute” above the line under a screen name, and does anyone know who Beaton is in reality?
March 17, 2010 at 1:29 am
peterthehungarian
Abandonned by its Brain
First – you shouldn’t have accused JerusalemMite with (under)stating the obvious regarding your extremely modest intellect. It was me.
Second – regarding your fear that you would best anybody… please don’t worry. With deep sorrow I have to inform you that you couldn’t best a badly mutated GM grain of wheat in a debate outside of CIF without the help of the Seaton’s attack dogs called community moderators.
March 17, 2010 at 1:42 am
Wednesday's child
I once asked the question about beatonthedonis on cif and found my question deleted.
It’s a strange name with the odd hint of something distasteful.
March 17, 2010 at 10:54 am
Abandon hope
pretzelberg
” I was reminded of a classmate when I was 12 calling a teacher a “fucking fascist”. This is the level of debate of Beaton. ”
You obviously haven’t been following Peters posts. I admit you take on folk here.. but you are patchy.
March 17, 2010 at 12:25 pm
Edward in the USA
Most of the comments on the ironically named “Comment is Free???” LOL!, read better in the original German and Arabic.
March 17, 2010 at 7:21 pm
Postnotary
I can understand your worries regarding your poor press – but I think you honestly underestimate peoples’ genuine concern for the plight of the beleagued Palestinian people who deserve better than the appalling treatment they have suffered for most of the post 2nd World War years. Their only `crime’ appears to have been to have owned and occupied homes and land coveted by the huge influx of Jewish immigrants to Israel and which they understandably want returned.
A totally and utterly understandable position, which should be strongly supported by the rest of the world.
April 3, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Edward in the USA
Postnonsense, I understand your outrage that the Israelis are not the unarmed Jews of WW2 Europe, but that is your destiny.
BTW, anyone ever see a “Palestinian” Peace group? Any “Palestinians” who are against the racist depictions of Jews in the Palestinian media? Any “Palestinians” who are against osama bin laden, against al qada, against islamofascism, against honor killings, against the execution of gay teens in the “islamic republic of iran”, against current day slavery in Sudan, against Somali pirates, against fatwas issued against cartoonists, against the Finsbury Park mosque in London which celebrated the 9/11 hijackers as “the magnificent 19″, against saddam husseins use of WMDs on the Kurds of Halabja?