Here’s a comment from a recent Seth Freedman thread.
Now take a look at these two videos for the true face of Hamas (h/t Myths and Facts).
[WARNING THESE VIDEOS ARE EXTREMELY VIOLENT AND DISTURBING - MAKE SURE THERE ARE NO KINDERLACH AROUND]
This first video shows Hamas terrorists throwing Fatah terrorists off a building.
This second video is of an execution scene by Hamas terrorists.
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March 7, 2010 at 2:40 am
Margie
That deluded fool Shadowe says: ”Indifferent to Palestinian suffering? Hardly.”
Imagine that the ”Right of Return” to Israel were granted to these brutal, brutish people and that you happened to anger one of them.
March 7, 2010 at 2:59 am
Abandon hope
Hawkeye
Maybe the post could have specified Hamas’ violence but we have not seen Madisons post and some of them are corkers . He could have suggested that the enemy are mad or slavering …I have seen this many times …not by Madison perhaps but this is a theme.
If you see Margie above she refers to ” brutal brutish ” people. This is perhaps what made Shadowe go on a bit. Also her ” deluded fool” . This is straight out of KGB glossary labelling dissidents “insane. “
March 7, 2010 at 3:05 am
JerusalemMite
You are such a fucking deluded ignoramus Berchmans.
You see what you see and carry on as if nothing changes.
March 7, 2010 at 3:15 am
peterthehungarian
Abandoned by any brain
Even you – equipped with your extremely limited intelligence and understanding of the simplest expressions – should know that calling someone “a deluded fool” is totally different from your fascist Soviet and Cuban comrades’ practice declaring political dissidents “insane” by a state controlled institution.
But it seems to me I expect something from you far above your level.
March 7, 2010 at 3:26 am
Abandon hope
This is straight out of KGB glossary labelling dissidents “insane. “
JerusalemMite
You are such a…..” fucking deluded ignoramus ”
Ah yes the labelling again. It helps when the arguing falters. People are people…attempts to project one side as “different” or “crazy” are counter productive as it is so easy to show this is wrong.
This is a site that monitors bias. You should be able to discuss a political/ social point without using discriminatory terms in your language . I dont think you are in any way “deluded” or ” ignorant.”I simply think that you have not considered the situation carefully enough .CIF makes you do that.
March 7, 2010 at 3:37 am
Abandon hope
peterthehungarian
” your extremely limited intelligence.. far above your level.. ”
You are treating me as a person who has mental limitations . Im not saying I would never do this…as luck would have it …so far I have been able to argue instead!
March 7, 2010 at 3:56 am
Margie
Right, Berchmans I see that you consider the extract I quoted from Shadowe to be rational and justified in the light of the proof brought us by Hawkeye. This says much about your attitude to Hamas of which you are apparently an admirer. You consider it more important to attack me than to respond to the horrific scenes in the video – or did you skip them in case you saw something you couldn’t argue away to yourself?
These are Hamas crimes committed and sanctioned by the governing powers. There is no bid for justice. There are no arrests. Yes the society is both brutal and brutish and I chose those words with extreme care.
As for your comment “This is perhaps what made Shadowe go on a bit.” you obviously did not take into account that his words preceded mine.
All in all, poor show Berchmans.
March 7, 2010 at 4:47 am
peterthehungarian
Considering your crap as arguments says everything…
March 7, 2010 at 5:02 am
Abandon hope
Margie
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“..your attitude to Hamas of which you are apparently an admirer. ”
It is not easy to admire anyone in the conflict.As you know Fateh is lead by a guy who has an anti Semitic past and many others are in prison. I again ask..who are you allowed to support that you dont get called horrible names shouted at you???…who do you like for example?
March 7, 2010 at 5:19 am
Margie
Berchmans I like some individual Palestinians as human beings.
Since I am not Palestinian I don’t have to ‘like’ anyone for leadership. I won’t be voting for them. They need to settle their own internal problems and to decide to make peace with us.
However I know what I think about people who support Hamas, knowing how it behaves and what its aims and principles are. Anyone who reads the postings and comments here on cifwatch and the comments on cif and still chooses to ignore Hamas’s misdeeds falls into that category.
March 7, 2010 at 5:36 am
Abandon hope
Margie
Whilst I commend the gentle tone and politeness of your response I would still ask if there is a grouping of Palestinians that pro Israelis hope to negotiate with…. or a serious group that would be acceptable . I ask this because I believe that no such group exists.I believe any group which asks for Israel to negotiate will then become the next Hamas and ways will be found to discredit it.
March 7, 2010 at 5:58 am
THH
@Abandon hope
There is something called the Palestinian authority , why should Israel occupy itself with internal Palestinian politics ?
You would say so why Israel didn’t talk to Hamas when he was elected ,I don’t have an answer for that , I think it was stupid not to at the time it was a good opportunity to cripple the violent sect of Hamas with political engagement . Today its too late and until the Palestinians wont reconcile between themselves I don’t see any possibility for negotiations .
March 7, 2010 at 6:01 am
peterthehungarian
…I would still ask if there is a grouping of Palestinians that pro Israelis hope to negotiate with…. or a serious group that would be acceptable .
Perfect mirror of your total ignorance… Do the words “Geneva Initiative” or “Oslo Accords”, Camp David”, Taba”, Annapolis” ring any bells?
I don’t think so…
You know sometimes knowing about the most basic related facts when arguing about a subject could be helpful.
March 7, 2010 at 6:04 am
Margie
Berchmans.
You’re telling me that you have bought into the line that Israel doesn’t want peace. I can’t see any reason for this to be true. In fact, we quite desperately want peace with the Palestinians as we made peace with the Egyptians and the Jordanians.
Do you really think that we want our children to spend three years of their lives in the gravest of danger and missing out on education and fun? Do you really think we want to devote huge slices of our budget to defence rather than to development and education?
I can’t understand that.
March 7, 2010 at 6:06 am
Israelinurse
Abandon- one of the many great tragedies which have befallen the Palestinian people is that they have not been able to develop a leadership which grew from the bottom upwards, largely due to outside interference.
The parachuting in of Arafat & co. from abroad was the worst thing that could have happened to them because it meant that a people who had for around a quater of a century been exposed to democracy and liberal ideas such as women’s rights through their contact with Israel suddenly found themselves represented by a bunch of people who had never lived in a democracy and never known any kind of political process other than that decided by the barrel of a gun. Add to that the horrible culture of corruption which these outsiders brought with them, and it is hardly surprising that to this day there is no significant Palestinian movement which does not base its holding of power on the use of force.
There are Palestinians who think differently, but unfortunately they never manage to get into a position of serious influence. Seri Nuseiba, for example, is a man with whom I feel it would possible to negotiate -although by no means do I agree with all his views – but unfortunately, the chances of him being in a position to do so are, to put it mildly, extremely slim.
March 7, 2010 at 6:35 am
modernity
The spectacle of comparable intelligent Westerners making excuses for Hamas is revolting.
Only recently we’ve seen two instances which if they had been committed by any other government would have caused an outcry, yet as it was a Hamas they barely caused a ripple.
There is the detention of a journalist in Gaza, Paul Martin, without charge.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/01/journalist-arrested-gaza-paul-martin
Now the absurdity of Hamas’s ban on hairdressers
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/8550445.stm
All very silly, yet you won’t hear a word of significant criticism from racists and their allies on CiF.
March 7, 2010 at 6:54 am
Margie
Modernity, I suppose that the Westerners you quote would be able to justify Hamas threatening arrest because of being dressed immodestly and laughing in public?
http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=147555
March 7, 2010 at 7:32 am
harvey
Berchmans
I so prefer your inane one liners on CIF – excellent entertainment . Trying to ingratiate yourself on this site with feeble attempts to present a cogent argument – sorry but it just doesn’t suit your style
March 7, 2010 at 8:52 am
Germolene
Harvey: I so prefer your inane one liners on CIF – excellent entertainment
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Either way he makes a fool of himself
March 7, 2010 at 9:02 am
terry malloy
I have the feeling that Seth Freedman carries around an anti-Zionist playbook, sort of like a person who is not particularly technologically oriented keeping his computer manual nearby. Freedman has to remind himself of one the playbook’s essentials: “When referring to the Zionist enemy always make sure you use extreme and hyperbolic terms to describe them and their actions. Remember, we seek to demonise, delegitimise and destroy them.”
In the article linked above, Freedman discusses Israel’s attempts to counter worldwide condemnation. He ridicules any attempts to portray Israel in a favorable light. He reserves particular scorn for Israel’s defending itself against criticism that Freedman of course finds without fault: “…The recent savaging of Naomi Chazan and the New Israel Fund, as well as the gunning down of the Goldstone report…”
It’s not enough for Freedman to use normal, conventional terms to describe Israel’s position, for example, on the Goldstone report. Instead, we get the “gunning down” of the report. Hmm… I hadn’t heard that a mob of Israelis had posted copies of the Goldstone report on a wall, and then blasted them with machine guns in their anger and indignation. That’s right Seth, those bloodthirsty Israelis can’t even criticise the Goldstone report in the manner that all other civilised people can calmly and dispassionately respond to criticism. Their souls are possessed by evil and violence.
March 7, 2010 at 10:24 am
TomWonacott
Its obvious that Shadowe understands Hamas better than he is letting on – but why tell the whole story when you are feeding the greatest assembly of stooges the world has ever known?
The 2012 winter Olympics for idiots – the far left of CIF.
March 7, 2010 at 10:45 am
Margie
TomWonacott, the Guardian cif is where the far left and the far right meet mix and match and display their prejudices for all to admire.
March 7, 2010 at 11:18 am
Benito
Another video showing what life is like for Palestinians under Hamas rule. I think it was made by a Christian Arab, not sure if he’s Palestinian…
March 7, 2010 at 12:51 pm
Abandon hope
Tom
” the far left of CIF.”
Tom you are an American. It is a bruisingly reactionary country that kills its own people and has more folk in prison than the Greek and Roman empires together had citizens.
I am far left but CIF is pro British establishment excusive of Brit violence and mildly left wing. You are trying to label it “far left” because you cannot imagine that criticism of Israel is commonplace… normal…main stream.
March 7, 2010 at 1:22 pm
peterthehungarian
If in your country the the criticism of Israel can be seen on CIF is mainstream then it must be a hellhole. But luckily this is not true, only in your deluded something you have instead of a brain, it is mainstream only for the fascists of the far left and far right.
The US is a bruisingly reactionary country!? – says it a racist ignorant from GB – a kingdom with a ruling aristocracy whose members have more rights than the ordinary people, where the head of state is the head of the church and must be of Anglican denomination, a country who colonised and exploited a big chunk of the world and abandoned its colonies only because it have been forced to do so (by the US among others)?
March 7, 2010 at 1:34 pm
Germolene
Hopeless, read the British press, not only the Guardian and the Independent & find out what trends prevail in public opinion. You are out of step, not us. Cif is not pro-British, it is pro-Islamist, pro-terrorist, pro-Hezbullah, pro-Hamas. It is anti-USA and anti-Israel.
You probably haven’t noticed the admiration for Israel among those who think we were the ones who killed the gun-running terrorist in Dubai.
March 7, 2010 at 1:44 pm
PeterParker
Most sensible folk already know what Hamas are about.
That’s why a good portion of Ci(not)Fers see Hamas as “resistance” and not the violent oppressors that they are.
Hamas are not fighting to free their people. They only fight for themselves.
Live long and prosper.
March 7, 2010 at 2:02 pm
Jonny Moses
Abandon. People being thrown to their deaths and deliberately burnt alive, yet you can only think about what ‘might’ have been said to warrant Shadowe’s defence of Hamas.
You have no shame Berchmans, you sometimes let that humanitarian facade slip to show you have little sympathy with the victims of the most sickening and distgusting brutality. Sometimes, to show a little bit of humility, discretion, empathy for the barbaric murder of your fellow human beings, it would be best if you just kept your mouth shut.
March 7, 2010 at 2:15 pm
Independent Observer
Benito, very interesting video. Have you a link?
March 7, 2010 at 4:18 pm
pretzelberg
Shocking stuff.
Why does anybody even bother responding to Berkmans?
March 7, 2010 at 8:19 pm
Benito
A link to what?
If you mean that you want to play it on youtube, click on the video picture while it is playing.
March 7, 2010 at 11:52 pm
Abandon hope
pretzelberg
Why does anybody even bother responding to Berkmans?
You can try to put blue water between us my pal but they still see us as one. Except Im funny ” Berkmans” ??… I can hear a barrel being scraped.
March 8, 2010 at 12:06 am
JerusalemMite
You are a deplorable example of homo sapiens Berchmans.
Absolutely deplorable.
March 8, 2010 at 9:16 am
thisisnotariot
can you stop the videos from autoplaying please?
This is vile.
March 8, 2010 at 9:39 am
Abandon hope
JerusalemMite
” deplorable example of homo sapiens …a fucking deluded ignoramus ”
This is the sum total of your contribution to this thread.Im not too sure what to make of this. You dont like me do you?
My 2 59 was an honest attempt to explain why it wasnt such a bad post.
You started and ended with caustic hatred. The kind this blog is meant to monitor.
March 8, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Jonny Moses
Pretzel, there is definately clear blue water between yourself and Berchmans. I know you know it already, but just confirming that we know it too.
March 8, 2010 at 1:56 pm
Abandon hope
Jonny Moses
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” clear blue water ”
You may again think I am being prudish but ” Berk” is cockney rhyming slang …. meant to rhyme with Berkerley Hunt. Prezzy is being sexist and ignorant
March 8, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Serendipity
Berchmans, you really are one confused person.
I have seen your post to Mitnaged where you apologised for your antisemitic remark to him/her but said that he/she had misunderstood what you meant. I read that post. There was nothing to misunderstand.
You are making excuses for Hamas’ barbarism and brutish behaviour by not condemning them you dope!!
What gets in the way of doing what’s right and showing us that you are a real human being rather than an ill-informed far Left useful idiot for Islamism?
March 8, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Jonny Moses
Abandon, I’ve never thought of berk in that way. I can’t speak for Pretzel, but in common parlance I think its use is not motivated with such an extreme offence in mind.
March 8, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Serendipity
Indeed, Jonny. The perversity is in the mind of Berchmans alone. And yes, after the blooper above, it would be better if he kept his mouth shut.
March 8, 2010 at 3:58 pm
peter1
Serendipity,
suggesting that our resident troll keep his mouth shut belies the concept.
The goal is to provoke with as limited a point as possible allowing the troll to be pedantic and stay clear of anything remotely resembling facts……
Its a wonder that he still knows how to breathe.
March 8, 2010 at 11:47 pm
Abandon hope
Serendipity
“I have seen your post to Mitnaged where you apologised for your antisemitic remark to him/her”
Her. You must have xray vision.The apology was because she seems a halfway decent person and I could have phrased the remark in a way that even a fixated, tunnel-visioned pro Israeli would not have taken offence. By no stretch of the description would an ordinary person see it as “anti Semitic . ” As a currency it is losing value.
By the way anyone seen the BBC news today? Just as Biden arrived in Israel they announce 200 new settlements..to shore up a wall!!!! It made me smile. What Chutzpah!
March 9, 2010 at 3:44 pm
Serendipity
Interesting, Berchmans, that whenever you are caught out in your unwitting antisemitism it’s always the other party which has the tunnel vision. I saw your post to Mitnaged. You were certainly not clear about NOT being antisemitic. You were grossly insulting. You came across as stupid and/or mindless and certainly antisemitic and lacking in sensitivity. There was no other way to construe your post given those.
And incidentally, I came across an inanity from you at the other place on Freedamn’s thread about “phony antisemitism” (whatever that is). At least one other post of yours has been deleted. I know that you are a phoney, Berchmans, at least about antidiscrimination because it doesn’t seem to bother you when you are being antisemitic yourself, so I pressed the abuse topic because the post was inane and off-topic.
I hope it gets deleted, and I intend to report all your inanities in future as being abusive to adult intelligence and intelligent debate.
That, according to Psychology 101, is called conditioning your behaviour. If it works you might actually post something sensible there one day.
March 9, 2010 at 4:08 pm
modernityblog
anyone got a copy of Abandon hope/Berchmans’ post to Mitnaged?
March 10, 2010 at 6:14 pm
Mitnaged
Yes.
Berchmans blethers on about “phony antisemitism” on CiF and here (and he doesn’t know whether he’s scratching his watch or winding his nose most of the time) but sarcastic this certainly is not. No, the Dope meant every single word. Note particularly the “Hating Jews is OK if they deserve it…”
03 May 08, 7:26pm
MITNAGED
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##Would you give us the benefit of your towering intellect##
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I disagree but I admire your honesty.*
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## as to why Hamas should hate Jews “now” ##
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I’d hate them big style if they corralled my people, humiliated my folks ,made my dad stand and show his papers to a kid a quarter his age etc etc etc
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## the Hamas Charter which has absolutely no mention of Jew-hatred in it? ##
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The HAMAS charter is a shocker. The *JEW-hate* is a gift for Zionists, but I guess HAMAS didnt see that as a difficulty.
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Hating JEWS is OK if they deserve it. You make it sound like anti Semitism.
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B
PS * Stolen from Bob Hope.
Berchmans