I’ll say one thing for the Guardian’s favourite anti-Zionist Theobald Jew. He never misses a chance to vilify Israel, safe in the knowledge that by doing so, he will open the spigot of hatred in the thread beneath.
A Yiddish poet dies and his obituary in The Guardian is penned by Lawrence Joffe, a member of the UK offshoot of Meretz (the far Left Party in Israel which failed miserably in the 2009 elections, winning only three seats despite merging with The New Movement). Joffe wrote “Official Zionism .. dismissed Yiddish as a defeatist diaspora argot.” The truth is that Eliezer Ben Yehuda had revived Hebrew and at the time of the founding of the Jewish State, there was naturally a keenness for everyone to learn Hebrew. It is the language more than anything else which has bound the otherwise amazingly disparate Israeli population together. And of course the Sefardi Jews who came to Israel from places like Iraq spoke Arabic, not Yiddish. But the notion that “official Zionism dismissed Yiddish as a defeatist diaspora argot” is fiction – fiction for all except Lerman, that is.
Lerman – who possibly for the first time admits “I no longer regard myself as a Zionist” – jumps on that half-lie by Joffe and embellishes it and dresses it up so that it becomes a lethal weapon of deceit in the hands of a twisted, bitter man.
the Zionist drive to stigmatise Yiddish has collapsed and the revival has spread to Israel. ……. It proves that Zionism failed to consign other forms of Jewish life to oblivion. It challenges hegemonic and defensive Jewish leadership.
One, there is no “Zionist drive to stigmatise Yiddish”. As SantaMoniker says in the thread, “Just walk around Jerusalem and Bnei Brak, and you will hear the orthodox speaking Yiddish, and even their Hebrew is often with the old Ashkenazi pronunciation rather than the modern Hebrew. There was a Yiddish theater for years in Tel Aviv.” And he also points out that the demise of Yiddish had a lot more to do with the murder by the Nazis of the millions of people who spoke mainly Yiddish in Poland, Ukraine, Belarus, etc. than Zionism ever did.
Two, the notion that Zionism ever tried to “consign other forms of Jewish life to oblivion” is absolute defamatory rubbish which amply demonstrates Lerman’s malevolence against Israel. The practice of Judaism in Israel is no different from that anywhere else in the world, with the minor difference that some Festivals have an extra day in the diaspora. Why would it be otherwise? And ‘Zionism’ is not some kind of esoteric alternative to diaspora Jewish life. It is simply about the existence of Israel as a Jewish State where any Jew can live.
Three, Jewish leadership is not by definition ‘hegemonic and defensive’ and even if it were it is utterly ridiculous to say that Yiddish “challenges it”. There are very few Jews for whom Yiddish is a first language, maybe a million or so Charedim – so how can Yiddish challenge anything?
But the Guardian’s antisemitic attack dogs are only too pleased to feed off the bone Lerman throws them. Here’s RaymondDelauney: “It’s such a shame that the conceit of modern Hebrew championed by Israel – puts at risk the whole European diaspora identity and history of Jews.”
I’ll leave the last word to Lipschitz: “Speak for yourself Anthony Lerman. Personally, I’m only bitter when faced with an article that masquearades as a homage to Yiddish, when its real purpose is to have a dig at Zionism for the amusement of CiF readers. Why not tell us about the role of Israeli institutes in teaching Yiddish? Why not tell us about all of the Yiddish speakers who would have survived the Holocaust if Zionism had achieved its goals by 1939??”
Indeed.






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March 6, 2010 at 5:03 pm
Oy Va Goy
Reminds me of a loon I once met who said he didn’t the Jews having a state – wow so generous! – but that it should be in eastern Europe with Yiddish as the language.
Nu?
March 6, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Duvid Crockett
“Farstinker Lerman.” Hmm…time for a new all-singing, all-dancing third verse to that Crock-It Productions favourite ch-cha-cha from the archives. Take your partners for:
The Cockroach Song
(to the tune of “La Cucaracha” Hat tip: Mexican tradition)
Farstinker Lerman; he’s such a cockroach.
He’s a Cif house-Jew.
Not strictly kosher, he gives us schpilkes.
In his juice he should slowly stew.
He is broiges, so he gets nasty,
He’s been fired from a cushy job
With sheyne maedlach; now chews his kneidlach.
He should firmly shut his gob.
(Maracca and castanette percussion interlude with Mariachi accompaniment)
Farstinker Tony, the shygetz crony
Thinks he’d prefer to be a yock.
In his boyach, that growing tapeworm
Should give choleria auf der schmock. (cha-cha-cha).
March 6, 2010 at 6:45 pm
TomWonacott
Louise
The article by Lerman seems to show a considerable amount of bitterness toward Zionism. Its as if Zionism really wasn’t about Jewish nationalism, but a way to destroy Jewish culture.
Thanks Louise
March 6, 2010 at 9:01 pm
AKUS
The sheer gall of the farshtenkinder Tony Lerman and the Guardian blaming Zionism for the demise of Yiddish when Europe’s Yiddish speakers were slaughtered in the Holocaust is breathtaking.
Actually, “gall” is not the word. But words fail me in this case.
March 6, 2010 at 10:30 pm
Yo
At the very bottom of the comments, Antony Lerman responds to people, and has the disgusting nerve to claim he was NOT taking a shot at zionism/Israel in his article. What a dishonest person he is.
March 6, 2010 at 10:35 pm
foreverisraeli
Tony Lerman is a miserable sourpuss and confused alt kaker,the only reason he wrote that confused article is because he wanted to blame Zionism for something.
This nebekh is getting to be beyond a sad and pathetic joke.
March 7, 2010 at 1:10 am
Louise
@Duvid Crockett
A groysen dank dir
March 7, 2010 at 1:22 am
Jonathan Hoffman
“There was a Yiddish theater for years in Tel Aviv”
http://www.yiddishpiel.co.il/index.php?page_id=2
It looks like there still is.
Nice article Louise.
March 7, 2010 at 1:24 am
Fabian from Israel
Lerman, guein kaken.
March 7, 2010 at 2:18 am
Hawkeye
Here’s a selection of what the Guardian censored from the Lerman thread:
WindyTrench
5 Mar 2010, 11:34
The Zionist drive to stigmatise Yiddish has collapsed and the revival has spread to Israel.
What are you talking about.
Israel has never ever sought to marginalise Yiddish.
What it did was to try to bring about a situation where Yiddish speakers learned Hebrew and used it.
That was in no way an attempt to demean it or destroy it.
You really should ‘get out’ more Antony. The ‘world’ is not inside your head.
wedgwood
5 Mar 2010, 12:57PM
Trust Lerman to get in an idiotic crack against Zionism, even in a blog about a language. The reason that the Zionists chose Hebrew as the language of the revived Jewish nation, after a long battle against those who wanted German, was, as has been mentioned, the presence of so many Jews from Arab countries who have no connection to Yiddish. In order to unify the reborn nation a common language was needed and thanks to Eliezer Ben Yehudah, Hebrew was available. All new immigrants to Israel were and still are encouraged, not forced, to learn Hebrew in order to enter the local culture. If they wish to speak Yiddish, Ladino, Arabic or any other language in their own homes is no one elses business and no official body will prevent them. Perhaps some of those immigrannts to the UK from the far flung corners of the former Empire should emulate them.
FieldingMelish
5 Mar 2010, 3:15PM
“The revival of this death-defying language shows that Zionism has failed to consign other forms of Jewish life to oblivion”
I know I should let it go and I’ve tried but it keeps coming back
This statement and the attitude behind is just SO SO S SO annoying.
Lermann is such a toche lecker
Such a fool.
The only reason Yiddish was on the endangered list was beause 6,000,000 yiddish speaking Jews were killed.
Such a fool.
March 7, 2010 at 2:32 am
foreverisraeli
I wonder if TL really understands the concept of Zionism.Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.
Since TL no longer regards himself as a Zionist.He is neither concerned nor supports the development of Israel.
Good riddance,the Guardian can have and keep him.
March 7, 2010 at 2:54 am
Margie
Lerman presents his Guardian public with more and more frantic proofs that he has rejected Zionism – trying to convince himself at the same time that he is right to do so.
His words grow increasingly negative giving us more and more evidence how little he fits in and that he has found nothing to replace what he had.
March 7, 2010 at 2:56 am
Duvid Crockett
Duvidl is indebted to Louise at 1.10 am and also for this valuable article, which has been an education to Duvidl in new idiomatic usage.
Duvidl has now fondly learned the descriptive qualities of several new phrases to apply to Lerman including, “guein kaken” and “toche lecker”. Duvidl will endeavour to put them to good use in the future.
March 7, 2010 at 2:59 am
peterthehungarian
I’m looking forward for the next article on CIF penned by an other farshtinkener tuches lecker Rachel Shabi whining about Askenazi intolarence, racism and cultural opression of the Mizrahi Jews who never spoke, understood and knew Yiddish. They should have a fine debate on CIF about the subject combining with the eradication of Yiddish by the Zionists. What a bunch of shmoks!
March 7, 2010 at 3:48 am
Freedmanslife
Actually, whilst I deplore the tone used by the wheedling Lerman, it is pretty accepted by most historians that – for pretty legitimate reasons – modern Hebrew was given massive priority over the languages of Jews from other parts of the world.
In particular there was an effort to get Jews from Arab countries to stop speaking Arabic and generally change their identity from “Arab Jew” to Israeli, as explained in an excellent lecture I went to by Reuven Snir of Haifa Uni. I am not judging the state’s decision on this, as those were very different times and Israel’s identity was perhaps too vulnerable to leave to “cultural market forces”.
Similarly there was no support by the early state for Yiddish, and plenty of anecdotal evidence that they worked to get people to leave it behind. Again, I am not sure this is something we can make a judgment of, as there was such a pressing need to give people a unified identity from all parts of the spectrum.
If only Britain was proud enough of its linguistic and literary history and culture that it provided a mandatory ulpan system for immigrants to its shores. I’m sure Lerman would not be in favour of such “cultural genocide” or whatever he would try and label it.
As a Brit who is in the process of making aliyah, I wish Israel would make more of an effort to suppress the use of English in everyday life, as it is making it extremely hard (because it seems largely unnecessary) to learn Ivrit!
March 7, 2010 at 4:41 am
peterthehungarian
Freedmanslife
I strongly suggest you to forget about your aliyah if you really consider unnecessary to learn Hebrew because the knowledge of English is supported in Israel and you can survive without speaking and understanding the local lingo if you are an Anglophone. Your social circle will be very limited, your understanding of your fellow citizens’ reactions, moves, acts will be incomprehensible for you, in short culturally you will be an outsider/stranger.
True, the use of Hebrew as the official language of the new state has been supported by the Zionist leadership, but this fact is very far from Lerman’s assertion regarding the “stigmatisation of Yiddish”. His rant is simply pure unadultered chazerai.
March 7, 2010 at 4:59 am
Israelinurse
Actually, the fact that Hebrew was promoted as Israel’s first language: that had the important and desirable effect, in my view, of putting all new immigrants at an equal disadvantage!
Language is of course about much more than just communication and the beauty of Hebrew is that it is also a common Israeli experience and culture, which is precisely what Israel was meant to do; to provide a different Jewish experience than that in the diaspora.
Yiddish is of course valuable in its own right and indeed many Yiddish phrases have found their way into modern Hebrew slang just as many Arabic words have, so in fact one could say that the establishment of Israel has in fact broadened the exposure to Yiddish. Certainly without Israel my North-African born side of the family wouldn’t today be peppering their conversation with words such as ‘nebech’ or ‘yachne’.
I’m quite sure that had Yiddish been chosen as Israel’s official tongue, Lerman would today be writing handwringing articles in the Guardian about the terrible loss of Hebrew as a spoken language and the cultural insensitivity of making Jews whose native language was Moroccan Jewish Arabic or Ladino learn Yiddish.
Freedmanslife – a couple of tips for learning Hebrew: watch the Educational Channel’s schools broadcasts for first & second graders who are learning to write and try to get hold of some school text books. That way you’ll learn correct Hebrew from the start. I never went to Ulpan, ( I owe all my Hebrew to a TV programme called Ritch-Ratch) and most of the native English speakers I know who did still speak terrible Hebrew. Buy a Hebrew newspaper from the start, even if it takes you a week to read it – don’t be tempted to go for the easy options. Make non-English speaking friends, install Hebrew programmes on your computer etc. It’s a slog for the first couple of years, but well worth it. And when you find yourself waking up from a dream that was in Hebrew or being unable to remember a word in English or naming your dog in Hebrew, you’ll know you’re there. Good luck!
March 7, 2010 at 5:01 am
Margie
It seems to me that having a common language is quite a good thing in a society, helping to bind it together and allowing people to cooperate successfully.
I know, I know, that is very naive and Zionist of me.
March 7, 2010 at 5:01 am
Freedmanslife
Thanks Peter, my point was that I really want to learn Hebrew and integrate properly, and I WISH that what Lerman says was true, ie that the govt suppressed foreign languages such as English so I would HAVE to get by in Hebrew!
As it is, every time I open my mouth, I get a minute into conversation in my pidgin Ivrit and then the Israeli just switches to English. My understanding is very good, but I never get to build active vocabulary and really practice because of this.
March 7, 2010 at 5:07 am
Margie
IsraeliNurse your experience in learning Hebrew is echoed by most of us who made the decisive move to a new society. I personally learned by recording the news headlines daily and trying to understand what I was listening to with the aid of the (Engllish) newspaper headlines.
I found myself talking Hebrew to an English speaking friend the other day and neither of us realised it for about quarter of an hour. That’s integration!
March 7, 2010 at 5:20 am
Israelinurse
Freedmanslife – Israelis like to practice their English too, but in my experience if you ask them to speak Hebrew to you and explain that you’ll never learn if they reply to you in English, they’re usually very co-operative. You could also try deliberately putting yourself in an environment in which you will have no choice but to speak Hebrew – for example volunteering for a few hours a week in a local hospital or finding an elderly person in your neighbourhood who would be glad of the company an evening a week.
March 7, 2010 at 5:25 am
peterthehungarian
Nurse, Freedmanlife, Margie
This is a shame but I read the works of Efraim Kishon in Hungarian…
March 7, 2010 at 5:29 am
Margie
Ah Peter, but you speak English as well. All I can say in Hungarian is Igen and Servus.
March 7, 2010 at 5:47 am
Louise
@Nurse, Freedmanlife, Margie
Great writing – even farshtinkers can be the cause of good things
@Freedmanlife – mazal tov
March 7, 2010 at 5:54 am
peterthehungarian
Don’t worry Fredmanlife when I open my mouth just to say Shalom or toda with my heavy Hungarian accent the answer almost always is Pushkash, Kocsis, Bozsik… (for the poorly versed in soccerology they are famous Hungarian soccer players from the fifties) or as Margie wrote: Igen or servus sometimes some unspeakable rude words in broken Hungarian…
From the other side if you want to buy something in the Arab shouk in Akko and they realize that your Hebrew is not good enough they will speak with you Yiddish (you know the language what the Zionists are trying to supress…)
March 7, 2010 at 6:31 am
Israelinurse
Another marvellous thing about Hebrew is the wealth of foreign language books translated into that language. I could never have read Buglakov or Garcia Marquez for example in their original languages, but thanks to Hebrew translations, which often come out before English ones and sometimes, in my opinion, surpass them in quality, I can enjoy foreign authors too.
March 7, 2010 at 6:40 am
Louise
The day CiFWatch can close is the day this conversation can appear in CIF free of abuse ….
March 7, 2010 at 7:15 am
JerusalemMite
I’m sure that next we will have a post from Tony Lehrman telling us that Hebrew was actually the ancient language of the Palestinians before the upstart Jews came along a stole their land from them with their language.
March 8, 2010 at 12:23 am
Irit
I do not speak Yiddish except for a few words. Would someone please translate “farshtinkener” for me, please? (I can make an educated guess but that is all.)
March 8, 2010 at 2:54 am
peterthehungarian
Irit
It means something rotten
March 8, 2010 at 4:26 am
Yehuda Erdman
Louise I fail to understand why you choose to launch this rediculous ad hominem attack on Tony Lerman. The main thrust of his article on speakers of Yiddish is about how it is a worldwide phenomenon spearheaded by the ultra-orthodox.
As Chair of Meretz UK which is affiliated to Meretz in Israel I also object to your description of Meretz as a far left party which failed miserably in the elections in Israel. Before Israel decided to launch the “operation Castlead” against Hamas just before the scheduled elections in 2009, The New Party Meretz had been predicted to gain a larger share of the vote. Obviously the effects of going to war were unpredictable, not least in the effect the war had on the Israeli public. The outcome was a swing to the right wing parties and today Israel under Natanyahu has the most right wing party ever in its history. Meretz led by Haim Oron punches above its weight and tries to maintain standards of freedom of expression, observance of human rights, pluralism in religious practise, opposition to racism, all of which is tough when faced by hard line supporters of the “Greater Israel” project.
Coming back to Tony Lerman who was also in Habonim at the same time as me in the 60′s, and has spent his adult life in the service of the Jewish community in more than one capacity, what gives you (and others who commented above) the right to rubbish his valid opinions?
If we distinguish fact from propaganda, Tony is correct in stipulating that the Zionist leaders did try to suppress the Yiddish language, even though many of them came from Eastern Europe and Yiddish was one of the languages they spoke when they arrived in Palestine at the turn of the 19th century.
Examples of their policy to force everyone in the Yishuv to adopt Hebrew (as opposed to their mother tongues) were the adoption of Hebrew names for themselves e.g. Ben Gurion, Sharett, Eshkol, Meir etc.
Even more profound and central to Zionist ideology was the idea of creating a new type of Jew in Palestine. The concept of Jews having led unproductive lives in the Diaspora propounded by Ber Borochov (the inverted pyramid concept) was to be changed and Palestinian Jews, especially Sabras would become farmers , soldiers, workers and not lawyers, doctors, academics etc.
Moreover these tough youngsters were not going to be victims as their forefathers in the Diaspora. Both Ben Gurion and Begin despite their opposed politics were in thrall to the young leaders who emerged from the Yishuv like Rabin, Dayan and Sharon. They admired these tough uncompromising men of action who could instill fear in the hearts of the enemy. This new breed spoke Hebrew exclusively.
The concept of the Zionist leadership was to throw all the new immigrants that were arriving by the hundred thousands after 1948 in ” a melting pot”, and teach them Hebrew. Deliberately new immigrants who came from completely different cultures and countries were sent to live side by side with each other. The facts do support much of what Tony says: the decline of spoken Yiddish in Israel was part of deliberate policy on the part of Zionist leaders in the Jewish Agency before 1948 and in the Israeli Government post 1948. Don’t let your dislike of Tony Lerman turn half truths into truths, Nazi Germany showed what may happen when people abandon their critical faculties.
March 8, 2010 at 5:41 am
A is not B
‘The facts do support much of what Tony says: the decline of spoken Yiddish in Israel was part of deliberate policy on the part of Zionist leaders in the Jewish Agency before 1948 and in the Israeli Government post 1948.’
i.e. the Zionists preferred all Jews in the land speak the language preferred by the majority as the national language.
A bit like in the UK, Europe and just about every other nation state in the world.
March 8, 2010 at 5:42 am
Margie
Yehuda Erdman:
As a constant Meretz voter I have found that the party in Israel has been increasingly disappointing to its voters. This is because of the quality of the leadership and the fact that they insist on hewing to rigid principles without paying attention to the current situation with regard to the PA.
When we felt (incorrectly) that we were dealing with a situation in which peace was possible and the Palestinians were flexible then the Party’s platform suited the general political situation and we were very happy to vote for it. At present this is unfortunately not possible. It is more important for us that Israel is secure and safe than that Meretz succeeds.
March 8, 2010 at 6:13 am
JerusalemMite
Yehuda.
Antony Lerman is writing in The Guardian. The Guardian is a platform for extreme deluded detached loony lefties to describe their innermost fantasies about the ‘horrible’ Zionist State of Israel. The Guardian newspaper is on a crusade to destroy the one Liberal Western Democracies in the Middle East and there are not many Western Liberal Democracies in the whole world.
I personally take it as offensive that Antony Lerman is denigrating Israel in the Guardian. If it was in HaAretz, even in English, I would see it differently. He has joined the small group of extreme lefty Jews, some Israeli, others not, in providing The Guardian with ‘house Jews’ and all the negative inferences that that implies.
To the body of your complaint. The emerging Zionist state was very persuasive to try to cause all new immigrants to learn and use Hebrew even to this day and the Russian immigrants are an excellent example. They are given every opportunity to learn Hebrew but, as has happened with other communities, the older generation has great difficulty in conforming. As with the Moroccan communities of the 1950s and 60s, the older generation never quite make the jump.
As to the original European immigrants of the pre state years, they never did learn spoken Hebrew and in quite a few cases, died speaking only their mother tongues.
But there was never a conscious effort to suppress Yiddish as a language and culture and I have always remembered the Yiddish theater being funded by the cash lacking early state. So to portray it in that way, as Antony Lerman did is disgusting and made even more disgusting by his writing it in The Guardian.
He is not the only one who was a member of Habonim. He seems to have had a ‘change of life’ event which has caused him to hate the Zionist ideal. Well, everybody has their foibles and I wouldn’t worry about it if it was published in the JC, The JP or HaAretz. Publishing his gripes in The Guardian is ‘Original Sin’ squared.
As far as Meretz goes, I don’t want to be unkind to you but in the next elections, Meretz may very well disappear. And won’t be replaced by anything. Horovitz is not happy with the over-riding influence of Shalom Akshav and neither are many who have left in a general Israeli Left move to the center. The basic problem is the Palestinians and not Israeli politicians. Their leadership is fragmented and not capable of making the concessions that would lead to peace. Until they bring forward a leadership with a mandate to make the necessary concessions, the Israeli ‘Left’ will remain much more to the center of Israeli politics.
I know that this flies directly in the face of the Lefty mind set but the Israeli Left is for more practical than the Looney Left of Europe and sees that at the moment, the Arabs/Palestinians don’t actually accept the Jewish/Zionist state and still harbor dreams of destroying the one Jewish state in the world and returning the land to its ‘rightful Muslim domination. That is their religious imperative and the reason that Hamas will not negotiate with Israel any meaningful agreements. They are just waiting for the time when Israel is weakened.
Doesn’t seem to be happening though. In the March mobilization to the IDF, more Bedouin than usual volunteered to the IDF and demands to be in a combat unit exceeds places available. Economic activity is up and unemployment down.
How awful. The Guardian doesn’t seem to be having much success in its obsessive crusade to destroy the Jewish entity.
Now it would be so much nicer if you employed your energy either combating Israel’s enemies, one of which definitely is Tony Lerman or combating creeping Islamism of the UK which should worry you and your family.
March 8, 2010 at 6:26 am
peterthehungarian
Yehuda Erdman
The main thrust of his article on speakers of Yiddish is about how it is a worldwide phenomenon spearheaded by the ultra-orthodox.
Not true. The main thrust of the article was in according to the sub-headline: “The revival of this death-defying language shows that Zionism has failed to consign other forms of Jewish life to oblivion.”
Tony is correct in stipulating that the Zionist leaders did try to suppress the Yiddish language, even though many of them came from Eastern Europe and Yiddish was one of the languages they spoke when they arrived in Palestine at the turn of the 19th century.
Incorrect again. As you yourself stated the Zionists main goal was to create a new type of Jewish community in Palestine and one of the unavoidable requirement to do this is building a culture based on ideas and means common to every Jew and the use of Hebrew was one of these. This fact has nothing to do with supression, they wanted that the new Israelis speak the language of the country and not their original German, Russian, Hungarian, Arabic, Moroccan, Polish not even Ladino and Yiddish.
The concept of the Zionist leadership was to throw all the new immigrants that were arriving by the hundred thousands after 1948 in ” a melting pot”, and teach them Hebrew. Deliberately new immigrants who came from completely different cultures and countries were sent to live side by side with each other.
Exactly so. They succesfully avoided the ghettoization of the country, not like in contemporary Europe. One of the secret of Israel huge success to create a common and living national culture was the insistence of a common national language.
Now regarding Lerman…
…[Lerman] has spent his adult life in the service of the Jewish community in more than one capacity…
Maybe true but at the present he spends his life inciting against Israel and the Israelis on anti-Semite forums like CIF – making his supposed past service to the Jewish community totally irrelevant.
…what gives you (and others who commented above) the right to rubbish his valid opinions?
Is he some kind of Saint-Theresa standing above all criticism?
And finally about Meretz…
I also object to your description of Meretz as a far left party…
Meretz was a slightly left of center social-democratic party in the nineties and now became an insignificant fringe far left movement of selfrighteous intellectuals totally disconnected from the Israeli street.
…which failed miserably in the elections in Israel.
In the nineties Meretz had more than ten MK-s, now they have three.
In other words they failed miserably in the elections.
Before Israel decided to launch the “operation Castlead” against Hamas just before the scheduled elections in 2009, The New Party Meretz had been predicted to gain a larger share of the vote. Obviously the effects of going to war were unpredictable, not least in the effect the war had on the Israeli public.
The reason of the failure was not the war but the Meretz leadership.
Some facts you conveniently forgot in your diatribe:
The lethal power struggle between Shulamit Aloni and Yossi Sarid,
The latter’s ego trip when became the Minister of Education,
The abandonment of their fight for the weaker groups of the Israeli society,
(they succesfully pushed out their best hope Ran Cohen), concentrating to the right of organising trans-parties (Dedi Zucker) and including a pretty insignificant Arab poet in the school curriculum plus destroying the left coalition government because of Shas (Yossi Sarid)
The total lack of even trying to reach out to the Etiopian and Russian new immigrants
The transfer of the leadership to Yossi Beilin whose only goal was to save his dwindling political carrier and who after destroying everything became a financial adviser for rich Arab businesspeople
The giving way to achieve decisive role in the party to totally incompetent
persons like the hysterical Zahava Gal-On for example
The involvement in organizations whose role is very controversial and openly anti-Zionist (Naomi Chazan)
There are many more failures, the above are only examples.
Meretz led by Haim Oron punches above its weight and tries to maintain standards of freedom of expression, observance of human rights, pluralism in religious practise, opposition to racism, all of which is tough when faced by hard line supporters of the “Greater Israel” project.
You are living in a dreamworld Mr. Erdman. Sadly Meretz even under the leadership of Jumes (Haim Oron) has zero relevance today in the Israeli political landscape, and I have to add that the only hope for a comeback is to disconnect from Meretz UK while it has chairpersons like yourself.
FYI I have been a very active Meretz (before Meretz – Ratz) voter for twenty years and I know hundreds of people like myself who first time in their life voted for other parties in the last election.
March 8, 2010 at 6:36 am
Margie
I see that I am in excellent company, JerusalemMite and PeterTheHungarian.
March 8, 2010 at 6:36 am
peterthehungarian
Sadly there is a confusion with the editing characters in my previous post.
Here is the hopefully corrected version.
Yehuda Erdman
The main thrust of his article on speakers of Yiddish is about how it is a worldwide phenomenon spearheaded by the ultra-orthodox.
Not true. The main thrust of the article was in according to the sub-headline: “The revival of this death-defying language shows that Zionism has failed to consign other forms of Jewish life to oblivion.”
Tony is correct in stipulating that the Zionist leaders did try to suppress the Yiddish language, even though many of them came from Eastern Europe and Yiddish was one of the languages they spoke when they arrived in Palestine at the turn of the 19th century.
Incorrect again. As you yourself stated the Zionists main goal was to create a new type of Jewish community in Palestine and one of the unavoidable requirement to do this is building a culture based on ideas and means common to every Jew and the use of Hebrew was one of these. This fact has nothing to do with supression, they wanted that the new Israelis speak the language of the country and not their original German, Russian, Hungarian, Arabic, Moroccan, Polish not even Ladino and Yiddish.
The concept of the Zionist leadership was to throw all the new immigrants that were arriving by the hundred thousands after 1948 in ” a melting pot”, and teach them Hebrew. Deliberately new immigrants who came from completely different cultures and countries were sent to live side by side with each other.
Exactly so. They succesfully avoided the ghettoization of the country, not like in contemporary Europe. One of the secret of Israel huge success to create a common and living national culture was the insistence of a common national language.
Now regarding Lerman…
…[Lerman] has spent his adult life in the service of the Jewish community in more than one capacity…
Maybe true but at the present he spends his life inciting against Israel and the Israelis on anti-Semite forums like CIF – making his supposed past service to the Jewish community totally irrelevant.
…what gives you (and others who commented above) the right to rubbish his valid opinions?
Is he some kind of Saint-Theresa standing above all criticism?
And finally about Meretz…
I also object to your description of Meretz as a far left party…
Meretz was a slightly left of center social-democratic party in the nineties and now became an insignificant fringe far left movement of selfrighteous intellectuals totally disconnected from the Israeli street.
…which failed miserably in the elections in Israel.
In the nineties Meretz had more than ten MK-s, now they have three.
In other words they failed miserably in the elections.
Before Israel decided to launch the “operation Castlead” against Hamas just before the scheduled elections in 2009, The New Party Meretz had been predicted to gain a larger share of the vote. Obviously the effects of going to war were unpredictable, not least in the effect the war had on the Israeli public.
The reason of the failure was not the war but the Meretz leadership.
Some facts you conveniently forgot in your diatribe:
The lethal power struggle between Shulamit Aloni and Yossi Sarid,
The latter’s ego trip when became the Minister of Education,
The abandonment of their fight for the weaker groups of the Israeli society,
(they succesfully pushed out their best hope Ran Cohen), concentrating to the right of organising trans-parties (Dedi Zucker) and including a pretty insignificant Arab poet in the school curriculum plus destroying the left coalition government because of Shas (Yossi Sarid)
The total lack of even trying to reach out to the Etiopian and Russian new immigrants
The transfer of the leadership to Yossi Beilin whose only goal was to save his dwindling political carrier and who after destroying everything became a financial adviser for rich Arab businesspeople
The giving way to achieve decisive role in the party to totally incompetent
persons like the hysterical Zahava Gal-On for example
The involvement in organizations whose role is very controversial and openly anti-Zionist (Naomi Chazan)
There are many more failures, the above are only examples.
Meretz led by Haim Oron punches above its weight and tries to maintain standards of freedom of expression, observance of human rights, pluralism in religious practise, opposition to racism, all of which is tough when faced by hard line supporters of the “Greater Israel” project.
You are living in a dreamworld Mr. Erdman. Sadly Meretz even under the leadership of Jumes (Haim Oron) has zero relevance today in the Israeli political landscape, and I have to add that the only hope for a comeback is to disconnect from Meretz UK while it has chairpersons apologising for Isrel haters like yourself.
FYI I have been a very active Meretz (before Meretz – Ratz) voter for twenty years and I know hundreds of people like myself who first time in their life voted for other parties in the last election.
March 8, 2010 at 6:41 am
peterthehungarian
I see we can organize a CifWatch branch of Meretz.
March 8, 2010 at 7:28 am
AKUS
Yakov Lozowick has an interesting article about this very topic, and a commenter named Annie references this article on CW:
http://yaacovlozowick.blogspot.com/2010/03/language-of-jews.html
March 8, 2010 at 7:41 am
AKUS
Yehuda Erdman
Peterthehungarian is correct and you are wrong – the subeditors picked and, if you will, amplified the main thrust of Lerman’s article, which was to blame Israel for the death of Yiddish.
A couple of my own thoughts for you to ponder:
That article was guilty of what I can only think of as a crime – blaming Zionism, rather than the Nazis, for the fact that Yiddish almost disappeared as a language, certainly as a widely spoken language.
The Yishuv’s leaders all spoke Yiddish, but adopted Hebrew as the obvious unifying language of all Jews, following its revival through the determined efforts of Eliezer ben Yehuda. Rather than blaming Zionism for the demise of Yiddish, one should praise the Jews in Israel, of all stripes, for the revival of Hebrew. Some of Israel’s leaders spoke Yiddish among themselves to the end – I’m think particularly of Levi Eshkol – often preferring its nuanced vocabulary to the more straightforward Hebrew of sabras.
But the real thrust for the use of Hebrew came about as the result of the in-gathering of exiles from all over the world – a hodgepodge of different languages, including, of course, the huge influx of Jews expelled from Arab countries who never spoke Yiddish. In fact, some of us may recall a hilarious skits by the Gashash where they play in the mutual incomprehension of Yiddish and non-Yiddish speaking Israel’s. The adoption of Hebrew was a matter of necessity – not some plot by “Zionism” to destroy a language in which many early Zionist leaders in the Yishuv and Israel actually felt more at home than Hebrew.
March 8, 2010 at 8:11 am
A is not B
Zionism is de-Arabizing of Palestine, Sephardim and Mizrachim, de-Yiddishising of Ashkenazim.
It is a black hole, it has negative existence, nothing or little positive in or of itself, a void, the absence of creation, pure destruction, or evil, as many Christian intellectuals have defined it.
It is to be defined solely or chiefly in terms of its alleged negative consequences. So would have such as Ben White, whitewasher of Palestinian Christians and Muslims, and their history with regard to Palestinian, Israeli and other Jews.
Even as Churchill and 7JE described Zionism as the darkness of the holocaust incarnate, born in its womb, on a trajectory into its rebirth.
It’s odd, how Moses Hess described the Jews as a ghost among the nations, wherefore the fear of them. Now their national movement and state is a demon, the conscious incarnation of evil.
March 8, 2010 at 10:07 am
JerusalemMite
A is not B
We loved your comment
March 8, 2010 at 3:00 pm
Israelinurse
Well, Mr. Erdman, here’s another one …in all my 30+ years in Israel I have only ever voted Mapam, Ratz and later Meretz. Next month I will be returning to Israel after three and a bit years in the UK and to be quite frank, I doubt very much that Meretz will be getting my vote in the next elections.
Like much of the Left the world over, Meretz has made itself shockingly irrelevant by refusing to learn the lessons which Oslo, the Gaza withdrawal and the second intefada have provided. As Margie so rightly says, in those heady days when we were all convinced that peace was there for the taking Meretz still had relevance. But Israel and the Israeli public have been forced to face up to the fact that it doesn’t matter how many times we sing ‘Shir L’Shalom’ in Rabin square; if no-one on the other side is singing the same tune, our dreams will remain just that. Unfortunately for Meretz, it has remained stuck in the past and is way out of step with the Israeli people, as shown by its dismal performance in last year’s elections.
As for Tony Lerman, this article is just yet another in his seemingly never-ending campaign to delegitimise Israel. No subject is apparently too low for him as he dances to the CiF organ-grinder’s tune. Maybe people such as Lerman and yourself do not appreciate the damage which is being done by seemingly trivial articles such as those which come off the Lerman conveyor belt at such an alarming rate, but I can tell you from the experiences of my family and myself here that they have a detrimental effect upon the lives of Jews and Israelis in the UK because when people who know no better read the non-stop tirade of delegitimisation and dehumanisation of Israelis on CiF (amongst others), very unsurprisingly they then relate to us in that manner.
My daughter, who holds dual British/Israeli citizenship, said the other day that she is leaving Britain with a certain sense of anger because despite the fact that her ancestors on my side of the family lived here for hundreds of years, too many of the people she has met here refuse to see anything other than the brutal, occupying Israeli in her. People like Tony Lerman bear a certain share of the responsibility for that in my view.
March 8, 2010 at 3:53 pm
peter1
There was a time when people such as myself viewed meretzim as being naive and misguided…..while deep down wishing that they were right.
This is one reason that calling Likudnikim the “right” is a misnomer and the same goes for calling Meretzim the “left”.
Both wanted the same thing in the past, an Israel at peace, comfortable within itself, acceptance in the Middle-east community and essentially the comfort of preparing a better future for our children.
That was then and recent history has changed many things, mostly bringing about the disillusionment of the Meretzim and the sadness of the “right” in being correct.
March 9, 2010 at 12:13 am
JerusalemMite
Seems that Yehuda Erdman has disappeared with his tail between his legs.
March 9, 2010 at 4:19 am
peterthehungarian
Seems that Yehuda Erdman has disappeared with his tail between his legs.
I hope he won’t appear on CIF with some Israel bashing in the name of Meretz UK making more damage to the real Israeli left.
March 11, 2010 at 4:19 am
Yehuda Erdman
I have not disappeared with my tale between my legs. You lot seem to be full of hate and bile, but amongst all that were some valid comments and opinions. Please note that most of what everyone, including Tony Lerman and myself have written was opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to voice yours as well.
However, I fail to see why you have to be rude and insulting in the process.
Also why is it that you do not publish your names as I did?
March 11, 2010 at 5:02 am
peterthehungarian
Mr. Erdman
Reading your answer I start to really understand why Meretz lost all of its past relevance.
You didn’t answer any of the posts addressed directly to you with other words you disappeared – the geogaraphic coordinates of your tail has no significance. I suggest you to read the articles of your chums Tony, Seth and Kotel Dickie on CIF together with the posts supporting them before you start accusing others being full of hate and bile
To make a long story short – you are not Meretz Mr. Erdman – you are a fake – you belong to the ISM and BDS crowd, you are an enemy of the Israeli left. I hope Meretz UK will regain its senses and will distance itself from you.
Also why is it that you do not publish your names as I did?
Very simple Mr. Erdman – you are a brave hero and we are cowards…
March 11, 2010 at 5:34 am
JerusalemMite
Yehuda Erdman
I have not disappeared with my tale between my legs. You lot seem to be full of hate and bile, but amongst all that were some valid comments and opinions. Please note that most of what everyone, including Tony Lerman and myself have written was opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to voice yours as well. However, I fail to see why you have to be rude and insulting in the process. Also why is it that you do not publish your names as I did?
Tony Lerman’s opinions which try to denigrate Israel and Zionism are one thing.
That he publishes them on a rag that is on an obsessive crusade against the one Western Liberal Democracy in the Middle East disgusts me.
I feel ‘soiled’ even thinking about it.
The fact that he does publish his rants on the Guardian is because other publications recognise a post submitted by someone with a chip on their shoulder and reject them. Apart from the absence of any literary talent.
There are plenty of extreme loony left wing Israelis who similarly spout rants along the same lines and they are, not surprisingly, maginalised by the vast majority of Jews and especially Israeli society. You are not doing yourself any favors defending the indefensible. The HaAretz newspaper is a repository for many of them but, when they choose to publish their tripe on a ‘foreign’ newspaper, they cross a line. Gideon levy has similar views BUT, confines his diatribe to Israeli publications.
In case you haven’t noticed, The Guardian hosts rank anti Semites camouflaged under ‘anti Zionist/Israeli’ positions. This site has done great work in rooting many out and ‘persuading’ The Guardian to remove their commenting rights. That this site has to collect the information to coerce the Guardian to do this is a testament to this sites success and The Guardian’s failure.
As for ‘Also why is it that you do not publish your names as I did?’. you must be new to the the Internet.
Get real. And if you want to make a success of Meretz UK, grow up too.
March 11, 2010 at 6:47 am
Louise
I have only just seen Yehuda’s comment and the excellent responses.
I have nothing much to add. I suggest Yehuda familiarises himself with the rest of this website, including the bio of Lerman in the ‘CiF Contributers’ section.
The story about how Yiddish speakers came to learn Hebrew is a fascinating and moving one. But in the hands of Lerman – who unlike Meretz does not believe in the Jewish State – and on CiF, it simply mutates into yet more vilification of Israel.