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February 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm
armaros
“indigenous people”
SO the Pals are the Naa’vi now?
Indigenous my arse……
February 7, 2010 at 11:46 pm
Abandon hope
Good piece of detective work. I believe you are right. However the big difficulty is that the ever popular Sick Frogman posted the following on your link .
“( Jews) should not shy from armed response when necessary. ”
Either violence is to be condemned or not ..the rockets are a stupid and horrific attack on the Jewish people… but compared to an F16 they are pathetic.
Tasnim and Sick Frogman are of the same mould and should both be challenged.
February 8, 2010 at 12:15 am
blowtorch
“But compared to an F16 they are pathetic”
So said the air head that lives in the Bubble of Tel Aviv.Most probably writing his articles,whilst sipping a cool drink on the Tayalet of Tel Aviv.
February 8, 2010 at 12:17 am
peter1
Our troll continues his dance of moral equivalence……it is impossible for anybody to be so thick naturally.
February 8, 2010 at 1:11 am
Margie
Tasnim? Tansim?
That was the day he left his ## at home.
February 8, 2010 at 2:52 am
Eliyahu
So now we’re defending the “indigenous”? The “natives”? Aside from the fact that the Land of Israel was historically Jewish long before the Arab invasion, this same nativist principle could be applied against the Pakistani immigrants in Britain. Would those who espouse nativism against Jews in the Land of Israel also espouse it in Britain? Why not? How about nativism in favor of the natives in Australia or NZ or even the USA? Nativism is only a weapon against Jews. Arabs and Pakistanis in Europe are exempt. In fact, nativism was one of the anti-Jewish arguments long made in Europe up to WW 2, or up to its end. Then the Jews were held to be Orientals, not true Europeans.
Since the late 1940s, the Judeophobes have simply transposed the locus of the Jews’ alien nature from Europe to Israel which is where the Jews came from before the Arab conquest. Now, Jews, instead of being alien to Europe are simply European colonialists in the Middle East, just like any other European colonialist, like a Britisher in Uganda, for example. But the alien nature of the Jews where they are at present is maintained.
For the old view of Jews, consider the novel Trilby [circa 1895] where the villain is a swarthy Polish Jew, obviously not a true European. Today Israeli Jews are stereotyped as the whitest of the white. See link:
http://ziontruth.blogspot.com/2008/07/new-anti-zionism-and-old.html
February 8, 2010 at 3:00 am
Chas N-B
Might be that previous poster. Might be Jenny Tonge.
February 8, 2010 at 3:52 am
John
Eliyahu
Very good comment – thank you.
February 8, 2010 at 4:53 am
Duvid Crockett
Chas N-B – “Might be Jenny Tonge.”:
Poison Tongue (to the tune of “Robin Hood, Riding through the Glen”)
(Hat tip: Carl Sigman from “The Adventures of Robin Hood” TV series 1955-60)
Jenny Tongue, Poison Tongue, shvitzing in the Lords,
Lib-dem joke, Tongue will croak slime, bile and eat its words.
Feared by Nick Clegg; a Tongue-lash he’ll beg
From Poison Tongue; up his bum; yum-yum-yum.
(trumpet riff solo with coconut shell hoof percussion and whoopee cushion)
Poison Tongue licks the crumb from the terrorists’ table.
Scalds the lips of Lib-dem schnips.
She’s no Betty Grable.
Loves Jeremy Thorpe; at them we’ll gawp.
Poison Tongue; takes a bung; upstairs slung.
(trumpet riff solo + coconut shell cracking sound effect)
DS Al Coda
February 8, 2010 at 5:31 am
zkharya
It’s kind of odd that that post is let remain while the one hoping no Palestinian state be founded, for Palestine is or should be Jordan, is deleted.
February 8, 2010 at 5:48 am
Eliyahu
Thanks, John
February 8, 2010 at 5:55 am
SarahLeah
Berchmans, what is it with you? You begin to come across like a half-way intelligent human being and then you resort to type with the F16 nonsense above. Can’t you remember what you write or do you suffer from some sort of Tourettes-like thought disorder which has you interjecting what little sensible stuff you write with rubbish like that?
You don’t get a free pass from me because you don’t realise that you are an idiot.
Hawkeye, my money’s on our righteously indignant and excessively and unrealistically litigious former correspondent here….
February 8, 2010 at 5:59 am
Yohoho
dopey/Berchmans, did you forget (of course you did!) that it took the Israelis over eight years and a massive escalation of the attacks on their civilians before they resorted to the armed force SickFrogman talked about?
I’ll bet Matt and Georgina really miss you….
February 8, 2010 at 6:02 am
Yohoho
blowtorch, Berchmans wouldn’t dare to go to Tel Aviv! (In fact, I hope he’ll try. The resulting head mess would paralyse him).
You got him confused, I think, with the failed City trader and indeed general failure, Sethele Freedman, who even failed the ISM loyalty test.
February 8, 2010 at 6:10 am
Richard
blowtorch said:
“But compared to an F16 they are pathetic” So said the air head that lives in the Bubble of Tel Aviv.Most probably writing his articles,whilst sipping a cool drink on the Tayalet of Tel Aviv.
I agree the idiot that wrote that doesn’t know his head from his arse. Though blowtorch, you have another thing coming if you want to bitch about Telavivim. I live in Tel Aviv. I moved back in March 2002. And I can tell you that for years Tel Aviv was the front line of the war. You couldn’t get on a bus or sit in a cafe without threat of suicide bomber.
I sip my beer on the beach, I also write and fight for Israel. Got a problem with it?
February 8, 2010 at 7:01 am
Margie
I’m with you Richard. Tel Aviv is a big city. My neighbours have all done army service and deserve admiration and thanks, which go to you as well.
All that our critics know about is Sheinkin and that Seth Freedman lives in Yafo. They should visit us and learn what it is to live in the centre of the Start-Up Nation.
February 8, 2010 at 7:11 am
Duvid Crockett
Chas N-B – “Might be Jenny Tonge.” Flip side of double A-Side (see above)single:
“She’s got Puss under Her Skin.”(to the tune of “I’ve Got You Under My Skin.”)
(Hat tip: Michael Buble and Frank Sinatra)
She’s got puss under her skin.
She’s got slime deep in the heart of her.
Suppurating Tongue, it’s really a part of her.
Streptococus under her skin.
So you mad fool, you’d better give in.
A dose of hemlock might make you a Socrates;
Or cyanide, stricnine, arsenic, at least taste one of these.
Poison Tongue, these wipe your ghastly grin;
But each time you do, some more slime you spew;
Best choke before you begin,
Coz Tongue, it’s e-coli under your skin.
(Tenor sax solo to the sound of voluble choking.)
DS Al Coda
February 8, 2010 at 7:41 am
AKUS
“tasnim” = “tanzim”?
So now we have terrorists or would-be terrorists posting on CiF.
Interesting.
February 8, 2010 at 8:47 am
HairShirt
AKUS, well spotted – the beggar couldn’t even spell it properly either.
And there’s absolutely nothing new about terrroist supporters or would-be terrorists posting on CiF, is there? Until it was made illegal to glorify or support terrorism, Henry and Seaton invited advocates of suicide terror to write for them and al-Grauniad even wrote an obituary about Nizar Rayyan, the infamous and egregious trainer of suicide murderers, including his own son, who at least led by example (although he forced two of his wives and some of his children to a gruesome death) He is probably much warmer than I am right now.
February 8, 2010 at 8:58 am
Abandon hope
Yohoho
”
” Berchmans wouldn’t dare to go to Tel Aviv! ”
September 2012. …a tiny possibility it may be March 2013.
February 8, 2010 at 9:09 am
TomWonacott
Eliyahu
“……Since the late 1940s, the Judeophobes have simply transposed the locus of the Jews’ alien nature from Europe to Israel which is where the Jews came from before the Arab conquest. Now, Jews, instead of being alien to Europe are simply European colonialists in the Middle East, just like any other European colonialist, like a Britisher in Uganda, for example. But the alien nature of the Jews where they are at present is maintained….”
I agree exactly with what you are saying. There is nothing wrong with the concept of “native”, however, in terms of the war on Israel, the concept is used to undermine the Jewish state – to delegitimize Israel. Another method is by citing Shlomo Sand and his publication “The Invention of the Jewish People”.
February 8, 2010 at 9:10 am
Abandon hope
Margie
“That was the day he left his ## at home.”
No it wasnt me…or any one of my CIF pals . No ..I struggled to say it but Hawkeye is right . Must be odd for him! :)
February 8, 2010 at 9:30 am
Yohoho
Dopey, I’ll be sure to alert the authorities to give you a warm welcome.
February 8, 2010 at 9:35 am
Margie
Who are your CIF pals Berchmans? How are you so sure it wasn’t them?
February 8, 2010 at 10:39 am
wiganwej
Just a quick one ,I was just deleated for simply saying “I am geoffrey” in response to a question about the Alderman affair.Anti-semitic and no sense of humour !
February 8, 2010 at 10:53 am
mostly harmless
February 7, 2010 at 11:40 pm
armaros
“indigenous people”
SO the Pals are the Naa’vi now?
Indigenous my arse……
Yeh the ‘Pals’ and their ancestors have only been there for around 1000 years, damn them for thinking they have any rights to the land.
February 8, 2010 at 10:59 am
Abandon hope
Yohoho
” I’ll be sure to alert the authorities to give you a warm welcome.”
You mean they dont already know ? :) Maybe Im not as important as I think I am!
.
Margie
“who are your CIF pals Berchmans? How are you so sure it wasn’t them? ”
Only two of them have lived in Israel and they are women.This is a guy’s post. Only a guy would post such macho nonsense.
February 8, 2010 at 11:05 am
Abandon hope
February 8, 2010 at 10:39 am
wiganwej
” ,I was just deleated for simply saying “I am geoffrey”. ”
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I was deleted on Seth’s thread for mentioning CIFwatch. I spelled it CIF**** as I know they are uptight.. but they still deleted it.
.
” Anti-semitic and no sense of humour !”
Well thats definitely not me.Everyone knows I have a sense of humour! :)
February 8, 2010 at 12:28 pm
Yohoho
“Anti-semitic and no sense of humour !”
It goes with the extreme Left and Right wing authoritarian personality.
February 8, 2010 at 3:05 pm
BerchmansNemesis
No apologies for cross-posting. This is a mitzvah
I note that Berchmans is trying to be Mr Nice-Guy-with-a-sense-of-humour who goes right away to complain against antisemitism on CiF on this thread but he’s still a card-holding member of the Guardian World View Society.
The real Berchmans is still posting to CiF , the same twisted soul who can’t understand why anyone could blame Hamas for behaving as it does – sacrificing its people and its children, encouraging them to die for Allah by teaching them that death, rather than life, is glorious, particularly if they explode themselves among Jews, and he is on record as saying that the Hamas Charter, which advocates this same Jew-hatred and is the basis for suicide murder of Israelis is a “negotiating stance!”
This from CiF. It’s a good job he’s honest in his Janus-facedness isn’t it? I dread to think what he might be like if he was actually good at al-takeyya):
Here’s what he wrote, brought to our attention by HairShirt:
“Berchmans
8 Feb 2010, 4:54PM
Keo2008
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“Hamas wants to destroy Israel. ”
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Its a negotiating stance.I am sure they would settle for the 67 green line , some water and some reassurances. The point I make as you well know as you always respond to this.. is that what a brutalised, hidden and poverty striken people put on a document is of secondary consideration to the cause of the problem.
What kind of document would you write scurrying about in reinforced basements ..hiding from the astonishingly successful IDF after 60 years of watching your relatives and friends being bumped off? I dream that one day Jewish and Muslim children will walk hand in hand…? He would have been in an Israeli jail before you could say equality. :)
B”
HairShirt continues, and I endorse:
All of this shows, Berchmans, that you are a duplicitous and deliberately mendacious b*****d, whose unreconstructed ideas are not capable of amendment however reasoned and shored up by provable facts might be the opposing arguments. For all you may write here about condemning antisemitism you post something completely other on CiF
Well written HairShirt!