Here’s a comment from yesterday’s Adam Levick thread.
Though Shimon Peres is not mentioned in the comment above, it is clear from the comment below that the person that Matzpen thinks should be “put against the wall” is Shimon Peres.
Oh and Matzpen’s comment is undeleted despite the inexplicable deletion of numerous pro-Israel comments from the same thread.
Update
After over 27 hours, the comment was deleted, no doubt because of this posting.

So much for being able to remove these type of comments in 7 minutes. Unsurprisingly, Matzpen has not been banned for making such comment for as we learnt in the Bapthorpe affair, you still remain within the circle of trust for a number of weeks even if you advocate the murder of Jews.








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February 6, 2010 at 12:22 pm
JerusalemMite
Thank you for ‘recording’ this Hawkeye.
I feel sure that in the days to come, when Seaton is in the hot-seat over his threats to ban Professor Geoffrey Alderman, this particular example can be used when he is talking about ‘free speech’ on CiF threads and allowing ‘a variety of views’.
I wonder what would happen to a comment suggesting that The Prophet be put against a wall for having sex with a 9 year old girl.
February 6, 2010 at 12:25 pm
SarahLeah
Hawkeye, I know that others have said this before, but it’s great that you can give us screenshots of posts which are offensive but which CiF no doubt thinks are fair comment against Israel and Israelis/Jews.
Matzpen is a poisonous one isn’t he?
February 6, 2010 at 12:27 pm
HairShirt
JerusalemMite, need you ask? :~))
Besides you get the limp and looney left arguing that we shouldn’t condemn and must try to “understand their culture.”
Cue the Berchmans Dope.
February 6, 2010 at 12:42 pm
Margie
I followed the link and found that the article that prompted this effusion of hatred was discussing a piece published by none other than Christian Aid. which
To further this interest Matzpen is prepared cold-bloodedly to assassinate a human being. I personally don’t see the connection between murder and the attainment of peace, justice and the eradication of poverty but doubtless someone will remedy my ignorance.
February 6, 2010 at 1:13 pm
Yohoho
“Christian Aid. which
has assured critics that it is not anti-Israel, but simply “pro-justice, pro-peace, and pro-poverty eradication”
What is it with these people that they have absolutely no idea of how they are coming across and moreover expect us to believe them in the face of proof to the contrary? Are they as sick as CiF and others that they actually believe their own rhetoric? I used to watch Star Trek and the very sameness of reasoning of all of them reminds me of the Borg Collective.
If they are telling us the truth then it is reasonable for us to expect them to vilify Hamas in the same terms isn’t it?
But hell will freeze over first.
February 6, 2010 at 1:26 pm
Abandon hope
Good article. Any violence is inexcusable except in dire self defence .
Margie
“Matzpen is prepared cold-bloodedly to assassinate a human being. ”
Yes it is absolutely disgusting to assassinate a human being.
February 6, 2010 at 1:44 pm
HairShirt
(HairShirt is appropriately gobsmacked in the light of Berchmans’ post at 1.26pm and cannot write anything more temporarily)….
(Deep breath)
Berchmans!
Wow!!!!
February 6, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Abandon hope
HairShirt
“Besides you get the limp and looney left arguing that we shouldn’t condemn and must try to “understand their culture.”
I know lots of lefties ..some pretty extreme ones.. but I have never even heard of anyone understanding the abuse of a child. As you know most Social Workers who protect children are Guardian-reading loony lefties so your point only makes sense to odd bods.
February 6, 2010 at 1:51 pm
Benito
Is it just my computer or do the pictures you paste in from cif contain text which is equivalent to a size 7 font in word, which is barely readable.
Please remedy this or I will be forced to set up a Cifwatchwatch website which monitors this website and it’s evil tendencies of pasting small pictures.
The movement will rival the Palestine solidarity movement and it will not end well for you. Legal proceedings may be taken. You are warned…
February 6, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Margie
What a suitable target for assassination for a cause that is “pro-justice, pro-peace, and pro-poverty eradication”.
Who better to assassinate than this person who instituted the Peres Peace Center that was proud to send a mixed Palestinian-Israeli ‘Peace Team’ to the 2009 Inter Campus World Cup and that does its best to foster good relationships between the enemies?
February 6, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Margie
Benito, bravo, how daring you are, threatening the mighty cifwatch.
Perhaps you can explain to that abandoned dope who calls himself Berchmans that his nods winks and elbows in the ribs are quite lost on us and that we need a more detailed and precise clarification of his point than he has given us up to now. I do believe that he isn’t quite clear about the difference between decent people and murderers, something I would have thought would be obvious even to him.
February 6, 2010 at 2:20 pm
Biodegradable
Abandoned dope has given us an example of what he calls “sarcasm”, which isn’t really antisemitism, according to him.
Read between his lines.
February 6, 2010 at 2:39 pm
peter1
Margie,
Something very interesting about Christian Aid and this particular article penned by one Jody McIntyre.
While the usual motley crew of arabist apologists are jumping up and down below the line (the intent of the guardian of course) Christian Aid did come out with a statement:
——————————————————————————————-
CAMediaTeam
5 Feb 2010, 12:38PM
Christian Aid apologises unreservedly for the article that appeared. It was written by an outside contributor and was taken down immediately it was brought to the attention of senior staff. Christian Aid also apologises for the deep offence caused by the timing of the article ? Holocaust Memorial Day ? and the use of Holocaust images alongside the article.
——————————————————————————————–
One would imagine that the nod nod wink winkers would have the sense to be quiet and accept that the Source of the article had the sense to be apologetic.
Not that it matters eh, they just froth at the mouth and post away, with their demonizations rarely having anything to do with the articles being discussed.
February 6, 2010 at 2:46 pm
Biodegradable
peter1,
Notwithstanding Christian Aid are no friends of Israel:
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article.php?id=108
February 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Abandon hope
Biodegradable
“Abandoned dope has given us an example of what he calls “sarcasm”, ”
I am pointing out to Margie that everywhere ” it is absolutely disgusting to assassinate a human being. ” It is not “sarcasm” ..it is irony ..given that this is a common occurence where Shimon lives.
February 6, 2010 at 2:53 pm
peter1
Biodegaradable,
You are right of course……and I’m not going to defend these people.
I just found it instructive that EVEN THEY were smart enough to pull the article and apologise for it, recognizing how over the top it was……yet the guardianistas are off to the races just the same.
It tells you who the guardian caters to.
February 6, 2010 at 2:59 pm
HairShirt
You ARE coming along, aren’t you Berchmans?
You are agreeing that Mo’s “marriage” to a 9 year old is child abuse.
Good for you!
February 6, 2010 at 3:07 pm
HairShirt
Dopey, you just blew your pretensions towards civilised behaviour.
Is Michael White of “In Israel they kill each other a great deal” (sic) fame and a Guardianista in charge of political comment, a friend of yours?
If he is, then your comment at 2.53 explains a lot.
You should be careful of the company you keep and, if Michael White is a friend of yours, so should he.
February 6, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Biodegradable
Abandoned dope;
Yes, Irony, of course.
Any violence is inexcusable except in dire self defence .
By which you really mean that the Palestinians are acting in self defence when they use violence against Israelis.
Yes it is absolutely disgusting to assassinate a human being.
Is it equally disgusting to call for the assassination of Shimon Peres, or do you not consider him to be a human being?
February 6, 2010 at 3:10 pm
Mitnaged
Peter1, quite, and you would expect also that CiF, given the publicity it has had recently (which would shame decent people), would tone down its anti-Israel rhetoric, too.
But, as someone said elsewhere, hits mean revenue and they know their compromised audience.
February 6, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Biodegradable
peter1,
Indeed Christian Aid are smarter than the CiF crew. Apologies from them are rarer than hen’s milk.
February 6, 2010 at 3:14 pm
Yohoho
Biodegradable, you have hit upon one of Berchmans’ stock in trade arguments which he made to Mitnaged, that hating Jews is OK “if they deserve it.” He tried to take Mitnaged to task by adding, “You make it sound like antisemtism.”
Irony? Nah…
Antisemitism? Yup!
February 6, 2010 at 3:16 pm
smtx01
when it comes to the milk of human kindness, Christian aid is dried up at the tit
February 6, 2010 at 3:19 pm
Abandon hope
Biodegradable
“By which you really mean that the Palestinians are acting in self defence when they use violence against Israelis.”
I have written 200 posts to CIF ..maybe more…calling for all attacks on Israel to cease. I have many times included the phrase “even in situations of so called retaliation. ” Why dont you argue with me rather than some darkly imaged exaggerated me…you want me to be an extremist but you will not achieve this dream.
February 6, 2010 at 3:21 pm
jacob
Can this comment not be reported to police? Surely the Grauniad will have some explaining to do in front of PC Plod.
February 6, 2010 at 3:28 pm
Biodegradable
Abandoned dope;
I ceased reading CiF some years ago, unable to stomach the stench of Jew-hatred (I prefer that term to “antisemitism” which often, in ignorance, is countered with “well the Arabs are semites too!”)
I don’t even really want to argue with you either. I’m grateful to cifwatch for providing me with bite-sized examples of what goes on there currently, and for the opportunity to read what others have to say.
FYI I wasn’t banned or even moderated in my short time posting at CiF (under another name), I left of my own free will.
February 6, 2010 at 3:29 pm
Biodegradable
… and you didn’t answer my question regarding Shimon Peres…
February 6, 2010 at 3:31 pm
peter1
yes of course, our troll has shown his indignation with every kassam or every crossing attack, he daily speaks out against the Arabs with regard to Gilad Shalit.
You know, its bad enough that our troll is stupid enough to keep flapping his gums, this guy has absolutely no shame at all.
February 6, 2010 at 3:35 pm
Biodegradable
… he even keeps count of the number of posts he writes “calling for all attacks on Israel to cease”.
200 or more… I’m impressed, NOT.
February 6, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Snigger
Biodegradable, strange, in all my time on CiF I have never seen even one. And berchmans cannot post links to any either. Meaningless slogans galore however.
He’s fibbing through what’s left of his teeth.
peter1 he may have no shame but did you know that berchmans was the “flippin’ class swot” in antidiscrmination when he was a social worker and that in spite of what he wrote to Mitnaged? According to him anyway, but you’d never guess would you? If I were him I’d ask for my money back.
February 6, 2010 at 4:35 pm
John
Benito
You need to adjust the the viewing properties of your browser. If you are using Internet Explorer, go into ‘View’ (top line of the browser window, next to ‘File’. then ‘Edit’ and so on); then use ‘Zoom’ to change the default setting from 100% to 125% or 150%. You can then revert to 100% for other pages – and in any case the next time you open the browser, it will be set back to the default setting. Hope this helps.
February 6, 2010 at 5:48 pm
John
Peterthelibrarian is not a librarian.
The name שמעון (Simeon) is related to the verb לשמוע (lishmo’a, “hear”); Shimon, Simeon (Shimon, Shim’on) – שִׁמְעוֹן
Peres is a variant of Peretz. פרץ (cf. Genesis 38:29)
February 6, 2010 at 6:02 pm
AKUS
Hawkeye – snowed in and powerless (electric power, that is, you beat me to it).
Following your article, the powers that be at CiF, who are clearly among the most engaged readers of CiFWatch, have actually deleted his comment. However, Matzpen has not been banned.
This is rather reminiscent of the Bapthorpe affair – we have yet another comment calling for murder from a frequent poster on CiF – an Israeli Communist throwback to the world of the 1930′s, no less – calling for the murder of a specific person, Shimon Peres.
Surely his posting rights should be withdrawn? The fact that Peres is a public figure should not protect a commentator calling for his murder.
I think its time to take up the cudgels again.
The Guardian appears now, in addition to being a convenient site for anti-Semites to flock to, to provide a spot where some think they can call for Jews to be murdered, as a group or as specific individuals, with impunity.
February 6, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Yo
Happy to see that CIF Watch is growing in popularity and getting some bigger discussions going. I guess as The Guardian’s CIF continues to promote rabid anti-Israel hate and offering itself as a gathering place for a mix of outright anti-semites and people who while not ‘classically’ against Jews discriminate in dishonest, exaggerated and obscene fashion against Israel in a crazy, rabid manner, CIFwatch will only continue to grow.
Of course, in the ideal world, the guardian wouldn’t be a cesspool of exaggerated, crazy Israel-bashing, and CIFwatch wouldn’t need to exist.
It’s interesting how us pro-Israel people openly push NOT to destroy the Palestinians but for the Palestinians, especially in gaza, to someday become reasonable and declare peace with Israel. That’s our main goal.
But the pro-palestinian people on CIF and elsewhere, tons of them do NOT push for peace between the two sides. Tons of them excuse the crazy, irrational crap from the people outside of Israel, and instead of having a goal of peace, instead try to demonize Israel’s very existence, rant crazy lunatic crap about ‘zionism’ and have a main goal of harming Israel more than actually helping Palestinians
February 6, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Snigger
The Snigger post preceding this one was not from me!
But I found it amusing.
February 6, 2010 at 8:03 pm
Benito
Hi John,
Thanks for your reply. I do know how to use a computer and even the complex zoom functions which only advanced hackers are usually able to achieve.
I could also hold control and use my mouse wheel to zoom in or out. This is not the point. even when I zoom in, the quality is shit and I then have to zoom out again. You could alternatively paste in your screenshots of cif at 100% of their original size or just reproduce the text like you used to.
I dont want to have to change my zoom everytime I visit this site just to read someones comment, and then zoom out again to get it back to normal.i only do that for pornography.
Please understand that this makes sense and everyone on here secretly feels the same way but they don’t want to hassle you and detract from the sterling work which you do exposing the biases of the Guardian (not sarcasm).
Thank you
February 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Hawkeye
Benito for your benefit and others you can now click on the image and see a clear image of the screenshot without having to zoom in.
February 6, 2010 at 8:48 pm
peter1
Benito.
Thanks for the tip on pressing control and using the wheel to zoom in and out…..I never knew that one.
Hawkeye.
Thanks for that quick change.
The things we learn in the strangest places eh.
February 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm
Benito
Indeed peter1 indeed.
For hawkeye and peter1, whoever changed it so i could click on the picture to get a fullsize version- you are either having fun at my expense or are simply a bit silly. If I won’t go to the effort of zooming in then out again every time, why the fuck do you think i would click on the picture; wait for it to load; read the message;press back; wait for the original page to reload; then carry on reading?
For all the good work you do using your intellectual capacity can you not figure out that people want a webpage which is simple and accessible. I do not mean to hijack this thread, but please can you not just post the pic at its original size or copy and paste the text?
I thank you for your efforts to address my concerns so far and I hope you can resolve this if possible. This does not detract from your otherwise excellent site. Keep it up!
February 6, 2010 at 10:23 pm
Margie
Berchmans your hypocritical behaviour both here and on cif is sickening. In comment after comment you have excused the Hamas charter that calls for the death of Jews by lying and saying that a new one has replaced the old. I believe that that places you squarely in the camp of those who not only call for the assassination of decent human beings but who target children by launching rockets directly at civilian towns and end up hitting schools more often than any other target.
“you want me to be an extremist but you will not achieve this dream”
The irony lies in your puerilely trusting that we are not aware of precisely who you are and how you view the situation. How much more extreme can you be than in defending Hamas?
Your double standards are open and obvious to all. You prefer to throw stones, snigger and run away when you are called to account. I don’t know why you are even tolerated here.
February 6, 2010 at 10:41 pm
Benito
Margie, thanks for your message, but could we please stick to the topic of the size of the screenshots taken from cif.
Your remarks are hijacking this thread and your willingness to engage with the pretentious twat known as Berchmans are a waste of everybody’s time. You aren’t going to change his mind and he won’t change yours.
##wank##
B
February 6, 2010 at 10:48 pm
Margie
Benito apologies for wasting your valuable time and bandwidth:
You obviously missed this message
It works. I tried it.
February 6, 2010 at 11:01 pm
Benito
Margie, I don’t really know where to start.
Firstly I was being sarcastic, my posts have obviously been off-topic and I was joking because you had returned (vaguely) to the topic of the article.
Secondly, you obviously missed my post afterwards on February 6, 2010 at 9:29 pm. Try reading it over, slowly. Maybe read it twice for good measure.
Now imagine what I’m thinking as I read your previous message…
February 6, 2010 at 11:55 pm
Margie
Benito. There is no blush icon on this software. Since you have influence please request same of Hawkeye also software to prevent me typing comments at 4.22 am or whatever time it is that I am not fully awake.(which might be now too)
February 7, 2010 at 12:52 am
Benito
Lol.
Despite my mafia sounding name, I assure you I have no influence here; the changes made were down to the admins willingness to help and listen to feedback which is admirable (let’s hope they listened to my comment at 9:29pm
).
To post on topic, I read both cif and this website a fair amount and I think I could save some people a lot of time and effort. There is no point whatsoever trying to argue with the likes of Berchmans et al. I am not dismissing them out of hand, but you will never get anywhere debating or arguing with them.
It’s a clear case of chicken and egg. Who started the violence? Was it Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation and oppression or was the occupation and oppression a result of the Palestinian violence. I know which I believe to be the case by virtue of the fact that I agree with pretty much everything this site puts out.
For me it is an open and shut case. It is obvious. But it has much further reaching implications than simply the Palestinians. It is the fact that they are Muslims. You all know this. Anyone with a brain knows this, yet when it comes to Palestine most people obscenely dance around the issue, because it reaches to the very core of monotheism- the same monotheism which has come to shape the modern world.
If I wrote this on the Guardian I would not be tolerated; maybe this isn’t tolerated here either, I don’t know. I am not against Muslims as people but I am against the book. And I am against the acts that people carry out in the name of this book.
The worst part in my opinion is that after some study of the Quran and the Hadiths it seems quite obvious to me that Islam seeks to invalidate Judaism and Christianity, but it saves special measures for Jews. The simple reason for this is that at the time it was written, the people who could see through this farce most easily were the Jews, since it was their religion that was being ripped off by a cheap plagiarism. Therefore the best way to ensure the survival of Islam was the persecution of the Jews. And this anti-semitic seed (or meme, a word which i hate) has remained ingrained in the religion ever since.
Rant over.
February 7, 2010 at 1:33 am
Abandon hope
Margie
“who target children by launching rockets directly at civilian towns and end up hitting schools more often than any other target.”
This has been condemned on at least 100 occasions by B on CIF as cowardly, murderous and counterproductive. Hamas must be held responsible for these violent acts of murder and must call now for any such activity to stop.
” I don’t know why you are even tolerated here.”
I call for peace every opportunity I get . I condemn any attack on any Israeli . I have called for Palestinians to die rather than harm an Israeli. Furthermore I condemn the Guardian for exaggerating IDF violence compared to IDF violence.
That is why I am tolerated I guess.
February 7, 2010 at 2:13 am
Abandon hope
Margie
.
“Brit” violence, I meant of course! I once worked out that the Brits have proportionaltely killed way more Muslims per capita than Israel…not just throughout our long and bloody history ..but last decade with our murderous and wanton slaughter of civilians in Iraq.
Yet the Guardian does not treat our horrific and disgusting barbarism as seriously as it does IDF violence. Blair is a way worse war criminal than even Sharon.. but he seems to be able to parade around with impunity whereas the Israeli leaders are vilified….there is actually more reason for Israel with its history to be warlike ..but what excuse did we have?
February 7, 2010 at 4:06 am
Gerald Kreeve
If you are here to protest against Brit violence you are in the wrong blog Troll.There are plenty that deal with just that. As far as I see you are here to troll against Jews just as you do in comment is free. This blog protests against their double standards of treatment of Jews and Israel. Are you for it or against it?
February 7, 2010 at 4:31 am
Abandon hope
Gerald Kreeve
“. This blog protests against their double standards of treatment of Jews and Israel. Are you for it or against it?”
I just said ( 2 13) that CIF ignores Brit violence and over concentrates on IDF violence. This is a double standard. I am agreeing with you.
February 7, 2010 at 5:26 am
Gerald Kreeve
That is not the business of this blog. What are you doing here?