Advocating the Execution of Shimon Peres

Hawkeye, I know that others have said this before, but it’s great that you can give us screenshots of posts which are offensive but which CiF no doubt thinks are fair comment against Israel and Israelis/Jews.

Matzpen is a poisonous one isn’t he?

I followed the link and found that the article that prompted this effusion of hatred was discussing a piece published by none other than Christian Aid. which

has assured critics that it is not anti-Israel, but simply “pro-justice, pro-peace, and pro-poverty eradication”.

To further this interest Matzpen is prepared cold-bloodedly to assassinate a human being. I personally don’t see the connection between murder and the attainment of peace, justice and the eradication of poverty but doubtless someone will remedy my ignorance.

Good article. Any violence is inexcusable except in dire self defence .

Margie

“Matzpen is prepared cold-bloodedly to assassinate a human being. ”

Yes it is absolutely disgusting to assassinate a human being.

HairShirt

“Besides you get the limp and looney left arguing that we shouldn’t condemn and must try to “understand their culture.”

I know lots of lefties ..some pretty extreme ones.. but I have never even heard of anyone understanding the abuse of a child. As you know most Social Workers who protect children are Guardian-reading loony lefties so your point only makes sense to odd bods.

What a suitable target for assassination for a cause that is “pro-justice, pro-peace, and pro-poverty eradication”.

Who better to assassinate than this person who instituted the Peres Peace Center that was proud to send a mixed Palestinian-Israeli ‘Peace Team’ to the 2009 Inter Campus World Cup and that does its best to foster good relationships between the enemies?

Abandoned dope has given us an example of what he calls “sarcasm”, which isn’t really antisemitism, according to him.

Read between his lines.

peter1,

Notwithstanding Christian Aid are no friends of Israel:
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article.php?id=108

# Christian Aid assumes a highly biased and politicized approach to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Its publications systematically ignore Palestinian responsibility in the conflict and minimize Israel’s right to self-defense.

# In October 2007, Christian Aid was listed as a “partner supporting” an Ittijah initiated conference held in Cyprus. The conference included some of the most ardent supporters of BDS, such as the Palestinian Grassroots anti-Apartheid Wall Campaign (PGAAWC), Palestine BDS Campaign, and the Palestinian NGO Network (PNGO). The conference’s final statement called upon NGOs to “turn[] utmost attention to the boycott, divestment and sanction campaign against Israel and pursuing the parastata Zionist organizations worldwide.”

# Christian Aid’s Partner Organizations include some of the most radical NGOs operating in the region: Sabeel, Alternative Information Center (AIC), Adalah, Palestinian Centre for Human Rights (PCHR), Israeli Coalition Against House Demolitions (ICAHD), Ittijah, and Physicians for Human Rights – Israel (PHR-I). Christian Aid donated 328,395 NIS to AIC in 2006.

Biodegaradable,
You are right of course……and I’m not going to defend these people.
I just found it instructive that EVEN THEY were smart enough to pull the article and apologise for it, recognizing how over the top it was……yet the guardianistas are off to the races just the same.

It tells you who the guardian caters to.

Dopey, you just blew your pretensions towards civilised behaviour.

Is Michael White of “In Israel they kill each other a great deal” (sic) fame and a Guardianista in charge of political comment, a friend of yours?

If he is, then your comment at 2.53 explains a lot.

You should be careful of the company you keep and, if Michael White is a friend of yours, so should he.

Peter1, quite, and you would expect also that CiF, given the publicity it has had recently (which would shame decent people), would tone down its anti-Israel rhetoric, too.

But, as someone said elsewhere, hits mean revenue and they know their compromised audience.

Biodegradable, you have hit upon one of Berchmans’ stock in trade arguments which he made to Mitnaged, that hating Jews is OK “if they deserve it.” He tried to take Mitnaged to task by adding, “You make it sound like antisemtism.”

Irony? Nah…

Antisemitism? Yup!

Biodegradable

“By which you really mean that the Palestinians are acting in self defence when they use violence against Israelis.”

I have written 200 posts to CIF ..maybe more…calling for all attacks on Israel to cease. I have many times included the phrase “even in situations of so called retaliation. ” Why dont you argue with me rather than some darkly imaged exaggerated me…you want me to be an extremist but you will not achieve this dream.

Abandoned dope;

I ceased reading CiF some years ago, unable to stomach the stench of Jew-hatred (I prefer that term to “antisemitism” which often, in ignorance, is countered with “well the Arabs are semites too!”)

I don’t even really want to argue with you either. I’m grateful to cifwatch for providing me with bite-sized examples of what goes on there currently, and for the opportunity to read what others have to say.

FYI I wasn’t banned or even moderated in my short time posting at CiF (under another name), I left of my own free will.

yes of course, our troll has shown his indignation with every kassam or every crossing attack, he daily speaks out against the Arabs with regard to Gilad Shalit.

You know, its bad enough that our troll is stupid enough to keep flapping his gums, this guy has absolutely no shame at all.

Biodegradable, strange, in all my time on CiF I have never seen even one. And berchmans cannot post links to any either. Meaningless slogans galore however.

He’s fibbing through what’s left of his teeth.

peter1 he may have no shame but did you know that berchmans was the “flippin’ class swot” in antidiscrmination when he was a social worker and that in spite of what he wrote to Mitnaged? According to him anyway, but you’d never guess would you? If I were him I’d ask for my money back.

Peterthelibrarian is not a librarian.

The name שמעון (Simeon) is related to the verb לשמוע (lishmo’a, “hear”); Shimon, Simeon (Shimon, Shim’on) – שִׁמְעוֹן

Peres is a variant of Peretz. פרץ (cf. Genesis 38:29)

Happy to see that CIF Watch is growing in popularity and getting some bigger discussions going. I guess as The Guardian’s CIF continues to promote rabid anti-Israel hate and offering itself as a gathering place for a mix of outright anti-semites and people who while not ‘classically’ against Jews discriminate in dishonest, exaggerated and obscene fashion against Israel in a crazy, rabid manner, CIFwatch will only continue to grow.

Of course, in the ideal world, the guardian wouldn’t be a cesspool of exaggerated, crazy Israel-bashing, and CIFwatch wouldn’t need to exist.

It’s interesting how us pro-Israel people openly push NOT to destroy the Palestinians but for the Palestinians, especially in gaza, to someday become reasonable and declare peace with Israel. That’s our main goal.

But the pro-palestinian people on CIF and elsewhere, tons of them do NOT push for peace between the two sides. Tons of them excuse the crazy, irrational crap from the people outside of Israel, and instead of having a goal of peace, instead try to demonize Israel’s very existence, rant crazy lunatic crap about ‘zionism’ and have a main goal of harming Israel more than actually helping Palestinians

Hi John,

Thanks for your reply. I do know how to use a computer and even the complex zoom functions which only advanced hackers are usually able to achieve.

I could also hold control and use my mouse wheel to zoom in or out. This is not the point. even when I zoom in, the quality is shit and I then have to zoom out again. You could alternatively paste in your screenshots of cif at 100% of their original size or just reproduce the text like you used to.

I dont want to have to change my zoom everytime I visit this site just to read someones comment, and then zoom out again to get it back to normal.i only do that for pornography.

Please understand that this makes sense and everyone on here secretly feels the same way but they don’t want to hassle you and detract from the sterling work which you do exposing the biases of the Guardian (not sarcasm).

Thank you

Benito.
Thanks for the tip on pressing control and using the wheel to zoom in and out…..I never knew that one.
Hawkeye.
Thanks for that quick change.

The things we learn in the strangest places eh.

Berchmans your hypocritical behaviour both here and on cif is sickening. In comment after comment you have excused the Hamas charter that calls for the death of Jews by lying and saying that a new one has replaced the old. I believe that that places you squarely in the camp of those who not only call for the assassination of decent human beings but who target children by launching rockets directly at civilian towns and end up hitting schools more often than any other target.

“you want me to be an extremist but you will not achieve this dream”

The irony lies in your puerilely trusting that we are not aware of precisely who you are and how you view the situation. How much more extreme can you be than in defending Hamas?

Your double standards are open and obvious to all. You prefer to throw stones, snigger and run away when you are called to account. I don’t know why you are even tolerated here.

Benito apologies for wasting your valuable time and bandwidth:

You obviously missed this message

February 6, 2010 at 8:35 pm
Hawkeye

Benito for your benefit and others you can now click on the image and see a clear image of the screenshot without having to zoom in.

It works. I tried it.

Benito. There is no blush icon on this software. Since you have influence please request same of Hawkeye also software to prevent me typing comments at 4.22 am or whatever time it is that I am not fully awake.(which might be now too)

Margie

“who target children by launching rockets directly at civilian towns and end up hitting schools more often than any other target.”

This has been condemned on at least 100 occasions by B on CIF as cowardly, murderous and counterproductive. Hamas must be held responsible for these violent acts of murder and must call now for any such activity to stop.

” I don’t know why you are even tolerated here.”

I call for peace every opportunity I get . I condemn any attack on any Israeli . I have called for Palestinians to die rather than harm an Israeli. Furthermore I condemn the Guardian for exaggerating IDF violence compared to IDF violence.

That is why I am tolerated I guess.

I meant of course! I once worked out that the Brits have proportionaltely killed way more Muslims per capita than Israel…not just throughout our long and bloody history ..but last decade with our murderous and wanton slaughter of civilians in Iraq.

If you are here to protest against Brit violence you are in the wrong blog Troll.There are plenty that deal with just that. As far as I see you are here to troll against Jews just as you do in comment is free. This blog protests against their double standards of treatment of Jews and Israel. Are you for it or against it?

That is not the business of this blog. What are you doing here?

Berchmans, I am trolling you from another thread AND NO-ONE IS GOING TO DELETE ME!

Listen carefully: You have indicated that you have a crusade against CiF to get it to take more notice of what you call Brit violence (except more deaths in Afghanistan and elsewhere are as a result of Muslim on Muslim violence than by anything the Brits may do, but since when have bothered your addled head about such things?) and that it over-concentrates of IDF violence. That being the case, WHY ARE YOU STILL HERE? WHY ARE YOU NOT OUT THERE ON CIF PURSUING YOUR “CRUSADE” AGAINST ITS OBSESSION WITH ISRAEL?

Or are you too chicken and you prefer to boost the hits to this blog with your inanities, rather than CiF’s hit rate?

Pretzelmountain
They have taken some of their daughters as wives for themselves and their sons, and have mingled the holy race with the peoples around them.

Creation myths. Who doesn’t have them? Whose creation myths conform to the picky standards of all sorts and kinds of ideals of today? The ideals of today are the joke of tomorrow: you might think they’re written in stone but look back thirty years and see how different common morality was then. Look ahead thirty years and the morality will be just as distanced: the only thing is that the religious scriptures will not have changed.

Which religion’s holy book is considered to be valid today, each word, each line, each out of date saying?

Two posts from the thread:

rockinred
5 Feb 2010, 6:31PM
What on earth is CiF doing giving bandwidth to this deceitful, biased drivel?

Disgusting, vile, dishonest stuff.

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The other pearl:

chet380
5 Feb 2010, 6:59PM
Let’s examine Mr. Levick’s article in the context of the larger Hasbara capaign.

In any event, this is time fot the Israel-can-do-no-wrongers to hit the “Report Abuse” button as you have so often done in the past.

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Try to post something like these on a thread of Freedman, Bunglawala etc. Your ban from future posting on CIF would be secured inmediately…

February 7, 2010 at 6:06 am
Abandon hope

“”Everybody’s got to be somewhere ..( Puckoon)”"

The reason for your name? No hope? Johnny no-mates?

Pretzelmount: I am not against the book – I’m against obeying every comma and full-stop of something written centuries or millennia ago that has very little relation to today. In other words if the book says bury a sixteen year old girl alive if she talks to boys I’m against it.

If the book contains the history of a people and their myths as well as a laudable moral code it would be destructive to be ‘against the book’ in principle.

Use your judgement.

@pretzel C.A and many NGO’S really are quite fixated on Israel(as is practically everyone else). NGOS were hardly impartial at Durban were they.Many of them seem to have forgotton what they were actually set up to do.

Pretzelberg

You consider it a “faux apology”, but I see no reason to assume that. If it were insincere it could have been far briefer and far less criticial of the poster.

Please read exiledlondoner excellent post regarding its sincerity on the same thread. I copy it for you (I can/t send his reward to him directly so I’ll make a small donation to an Israeli charity in his name)

Could you please explain why you used the term “moderation”, rather than editorial control?

The article doesn’t appear to be user comment (as this comment is), which would be subject to moderation – it seems to be a stand-alone article, that would normally be subject to editorial control.

I assume that I couldn’t just post an article on your site, so how did Jody McIntyre do so? What exactly is his relationship with Christian Aid?

Naturally no answer from CA…

Pretzelberg, your point is old, yet the example of the Bible which you chose to bring up is enlightening.

Yes the Old Testament contains many, many things which would not be socially acceptable TODAY. Yet if this is the worst example from the Bible that you can think of today then you illustrate my point perfectly. Yes, Jews follow this and other parts of the Bible which forbid intermarriage. What they do not do, is enforce the barbaric parts of the bible of which there are many examples, many of which were again reappropriated by the Quran.

Jews don’t stone people for working on the Sabbath or for committing adultery. Muslims do. Not all Muslims, but many of them do. Reading about it is all well and good, but if you want to see it for yourself, (and if you can stomach it) go to truthtube.tv.

Note that these atrocities are not localised to a particular region, but arise only when Islam has been spread to a that region. I don’t care what the Bible says; I’m not defending the Bible. Perhaps you are engaing in the “whataboutery” accustaion that is so often flung at pro-Israeli posters on cif. Even so, the Bible is totally irrelevant (other than the fact that is was the ‘inspiration’ for the Quran).

Pretzelberg,

“Are you aware that you sound like an incorrigible bigot?”

By whose standards, yours?

Have you even read any of the Quran? My views on it result from my knowledge of the Bible and the multitude of similarities and distortions which occur in the Quran and are totally in keeping with the context in which Mohammed lived.

Tell me Pretzelberg, if I released a book tomorrow which was virtually the same as Great Expectations: the same characters, a similar plot, but with a few deviations from the original and many, many contradictions and grammatical errors, and I told you God had spoken to me through an angel and was giving me the REAL version of Great Expectations as the original had become corrupted over time, would you believe me or would you consider it a plagiarism? It’s blindingly obvious and you don’t need to believe in the Bible to see it. In fact, if you don’t believe in the Bible as God’s word then it becomes even more obvious as it takes God out of the equation.

I am not bigoted; if you offer me one piece of evidence, or even some sound logic that the Quran was not plagiarised from the Bible then I will gladly change my mind. I’m sorry if I’m not being PC, and I don’t mean to insult every Muslim by rubbishing their belief system.

But would you hesitate to brand a cult such as the Branch Davidian or even the Jehovahs Witnesses as false? Scientology is widely ridiculed, as is Mormonism. In my mind Mormonism is on a par with Islam. The only difference is there aren’t 1.5 billion Mormons.

So please, before you start throwing around insults, why don’t you think for yourself and maybe do a little research of your own. You might be surprised at what you find out.

Punzi, the parsimonious explanation is that his knee-jerk reaction is to oppose and when he is of that mind he doesn’t want to be confused with facts.

Very good post, though.

Yohoho joins the club of those a) who miss my point and b) appear reluctant to hear some inconvenient truths …

Berchmans/abandon, is this you?

Berchmans
8 Feb 2010, 3:47PM

TomWonacott

## Not all Arabs ..want to destroy the Jewish state like the current government in Gaza. ##

.

The Jewish state has one of the strongest militaries in the world…I reckon the 6th. How the f*** can a few guys with rifles and beards destroy it ? These are Hamas supermen ??? oblivious to the best airforce for thousands of miles in any direction.?? .a state of the art army that has tanks that have more fire power each than all of Hamas put together.

No to nonsense posts on CIF! :)

B

Irony again? Are you saying that having beards is bad for a soldier and cancels out the grad missiles and the anti-tank cannon. That’s why Hezbullah have no beards!

I have got such a good idea if so. Make it fashionable for Israelis to grow beards – offer them prizes for the longest beards and their weapons will be cancelled out just like Hamas and they won’t be supermen any more

. Wouldn’t that be wonderful? Please send my prizes to the Haiti soup-kitchen

@Punzi, Thanks for your clarifications; I couldn’t be bothered to start produce all the information on which I have based my opinions. Lazy, I know.

@Pretzelberg, are you being deliberately obtuse? I am sure you are more intelligent than your posts indicate.

1. Your use of the ellipsis when you quoted what I wrote skipped out an entire paragraph of writing, including the PIVOTAL WORDS, “For me…”.
My opinion is that it is obvious, but I have an open mind. I am not intolerant of the views of other people.

Wikipedia (for what it’s worth) on bigotry, states: “The correct use of the term requires the elements of obstinacy, irrationality, and animosity toward those of differing devotion.”

So clearly you are throwing around the term ‘bigot’ far too freely; why don’t you take a little time to think before you turn your knee-jerk reaction to legitimate criticism into a badly thought-out, accusatory comment. By your logic, I could call you a bigot for saying:

“Wow, there sure are a lot of Islam/Muslim haters around here …” and I’m not even twisting your words to suit my agenda.

2. Your analysis of my analogy as flawed is simply wrong, whether God wrote or did not write the Tenach. That’s why I finished with taking God out of the equation makes it even more obvious.

If God did write it, then the Tenach both warns of future false prophets and also states that the Torah will never be contradicted. Either way the Quran distorts and contradicts the Torah as well as the New Testament.

This is (in my opinion) not totally deliberate on the part of Mohammed; it is also due to his poor knowledge of the Torah. For example, the Quran makes a statement against the Jews for believing Ezra was the son of God. It states:

The Jews call ‘Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is the saying from their mouth; (In this) they are intimate; what the Unbelievers of the old used to say. Allah’s curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the truth. [Qur'an 9:30]

Mohammed either was badly informed of Jewish theology, or he wrote it deliberately to discredit the Jews. Either way this is one of many basic errors in the Quran which are glossed over by all.

3. To clarify, I do not hate Muslims. I do hate the Quran. I woudl also hate the Tenach if it inspired its followers to carry out the same deeds which are carried out by Muslims in the name of the Quran. Simple, right?

I don’t have some irrational hatred of Muslims, but I hate the idea that young children are indoctrinated in a negative way. Your suggestion that there are a lot of Muslim/Islam haters here is a remark intended to stifle criticism of the Quran and of the religion itself. If you want to paint me with that brush, then go ahead. Just be sure that I am the terribly racist, incorrigible bigot that you think I am before you make your opinions public.

@pretzelpedant

“I see it as drawing attention to bigotry – something I thought this website also seeks to do.”

No, your behaviour is all about drawing attention to yourself. You constantly act out often going too far – your offensive attack on Benito, a case in point.

“How’s that? I don’t recall seeing your moniker before.”

Really?? Well, then, I suggest you go see your doctor about a prescription change because you’ve posted me a couple of times on this very blog. Last time was pretty recent. As I recall you posted something along the lines that I was – blasphemous, hated catholics and was a bigot. I just assumed you was joking because my own post amounted to, “Madonna he (David) aint.”
Well, you take care now.

@ Pretzelberg,

I apologise, but I don’t get your cleverly obscure reference to the beatles.

And I also apolise for saying I am “not intolerant of the views of other people”, for I should have included the proviso:

“not intolerant of the views of other people, except for those who want me dead simply for being Jewish. Except for those who are willing to kidnap, torture, murder and maim in the name of their religion. And except for people like you who excuse all of this in the name of political correctness.”

sincere apologies.

I am all for tolerance, but I cannot tolerate intolerance.

@ Benito

The Beatles reference was about Charles Manson being “inspired” by Helter Skelter to murder people.

not intolerant of the views of other people, except for those who want me dead simply for being Jewish. Except for those who are willing to kidnap, torture, murder and maim in the name of their religion.

OK. I am likewise intolerant of such people.

And except for people like you who excuse all of this in the name of political correctness.

That’s nonsense and a figment of your imagination. I have never excused such a thing.

I skimmed through Jody MicIntyre’s response to Levick’s article and after noticing obvious exaggerations and avoidance of truth I saved myself the annoyance of reading further.

He talks about the lack of ambulances in Gaza during Cast Lead – implying that it was Israel’s fault when anyone who read the newspapers and has even an average memory will know that Hamas had stolen the ambulances that the UN had sent for the Red Cross to use for their own purposes.

The second sentence to catch my eye was to the effect that the IDF operates in Biliín ‘with full force’. Full force by the IDF would mean bodies littering the floor and the village itself captured. The truth is that they respond patiently to the hurling of boulders with sling shots, a potentially lethal form of attack.

So, thanks Jody, you have reinforced my original impression.

@ Margie

I’ve seen these comments before about trolls playing Star Wars.
a) Do I assume correctly that they are aimed at the poster Abandoned Hope?
b) What do they mean?

@ Margie

A-ha – the star ratings. I rarely click on them myself – and only when (and even then far from always) I feel strongly about a comment.
But I have indeed sometimes noticed some funny business going on with the ratings.

What comment(s)are you referring to exactly on this thread?

@ Benito

The Quran explicitly calls for these acts to be undertaken in the name of Islam.

Does it?

If you ever watched The West Wing on TV, perhaps you’ll recall this scene, in which the president sets a Christian fundamentalist straight:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

As Gerald Kreeve pointedly asked above:
“Which religion’s holy book is considered to be valid today, each word, each line, each out of date saying?”