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		<title>By: JerusalemMite</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/tedious-trade-union-turncoats/comment-page-1/#comment-13618</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 16:06:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[modernityblog

&lt;i&gt;Frankly, only having seen your posts at CiF Watch, I thought you were a BNPer or some extreme Far Right crank. That is how your contributions here come over.&lt;/i&gt;

Modernity. If you didn&#039;t know, Abandon Hope is Berchmans, (incognito). of CiF/Georgina fame. You can tell by the deep intellectual depth of his narrative and of the wide understanding implicit in his writings.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>modernityblog</p>
<p><i>Frankly, only having seen your posts at CiF Watch, I thought you were a BNPer or some extreme Far Right crank. That is how your contributions here come over.</i></p>
<p>Modernity. If you didn&#8217;t know, Abandon Hope is Berchmans, (incognito). of CiF/Georgina fame. You can tell by the deep intellectual depth of his narrative and of the wide understanding implicit in his writings.</p>
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		<title>By: modernityblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Abandon hope wrote: &lt;I&gt;&quot;I have written 200 posts ..maybe more ..to CIF ..calling for all attacks on Israeli civilians to be condemned.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

Have you? Really?

Frankly, only having seen your posts at CiF Watch, I thought you were a BNPer or some extreme Far Right crank. That is how your contributions here come over.

You seem to have a singular incapacity for dealing with the issue of antisemitism, your recent comment on another thread shows that:

http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/if-you-are-not-with-us-you-are-against-us/#comment-13546

&lt;I&gt;&quot;There is no “clear” anti Semitism on CIF and if there was you would have provided an example.&quot;&lt;/I&gt;

None so blind as those that cannot see, eh?

Hawkeye and others provide daily examples of enmity towards Jews on CiF Watch, but all you do is quibble, sneer or make snide comments.

If you are not a BNP member, or one of their potential recruits, then you might want to rethink your attitude to the subject, because that’s how you come over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abandon hope wrote: <i>&#8220;I have written 200 posts ..maybe more ..to CIF ..calling for all attacks on Israeli civilians to be condemned.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Have you? Really?</p>
<p>Frankly, only having seen your posts at CiF Watch, I thought you were a BNPer or some extreme Far Right crank. That is how your contributions here come over.</p>
<p>You seem to have a singular incapacity for dealing with the issue of antisemitism, your recent comment on another thread shows that:</p>
<p><a href="http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/if-you-are-not-with-us-you-are-against-us/#comment-13546" rel="nofollow">http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/if-you-are-not-with-us-you-are-against-us/#comment-13546</a></p>
<p><i>&#8220;There is no “clear” anti Semitism on CIF and if there was you would have provided an example.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>None so blind as those that cannot see, eh?</p>
<p>Hawkeye and others provide daily examples of enmity towards Jews on CiF Watch, but all you do is quibble, sneer or make snide comments.</p>
<p>If you are not a BNP member, or one of their potential recruits, then you might want to rethink your attitude to the subject, because that’s how you come over.</p>
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		<title>By: HairShirt</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 20:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[oh-oh dopey.  Did you hear that &quot;clunk?&quot;  You walked into it once again....

You posted at least one antisemitic remark, didn&#039;t you, to Mitnaged when he/she used to post on CiF, which said that you couldn&#039;t blame Hamas for hating Jews &quot;now&quot; and that you&#039;d hate them &quot;big time&quot; &amp;c &amp;c

You also said in the same post that hating Jews was OK &quot;if they deserve it.&quot;

Then you tried to weasel out of what you really meant here but dug yourself in still deeper because let&#039;s face it you are no more believable than a vegetarian at a hog roast.

&lt;b&gt;Don&#039;t you get it, you idiot, that all your slogans on CiF don&#039;t count for anything in the light of the foregoing?

What you NEED to do is to apologise to Mitnaged and the others whom you have offended and promise not to do it again.&lt;/b&gt;

You haven&#039;t done that, have you?

Peter1 - &quot;Why is this chaim yankle still around???&quot;

Do you mean Berchmans?  I actually think he has a masochistic kink.  He keeps getting blatted and comes back for more!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh-oh dopey.  Did you hear that &#8220;clunk?&#8221;  You walked into it once again&#8230;.</p>
<p>You posted at least one antisemitic remark, didn&#8217;t you, to Mitnaged when he/she used to post on CiF, which said that you couldn&#8217;t blame Hamas for hating Jews &#8220;now&#8221; and that you&#8217;d hate them &#8220;big time&#8221; &amp;c &amp;c</p>
<p>You also said in the same post that hating Jews was OK &#8220;if they deserve it.&#8221;</p>
<p>Then you tried to weasel out of what you really meant here but dug yourself in still deeper because let&#8217;s face it you are no more believable than a vegetarian at a hog roast.</p>
<p><b>Don&#8217;t you get it, you idiot, that all your slogans on CiF don&#8217;t count for anything in the light of the foregoing?</p>
<p>What you NEED to do is to apologise to Mitnaged and the others whom you have offended and promise not to do it again.</b></p>
<p>You haven&#8217;t done that, have you?</p>
<p>Peter1 &#8211; &#8220;Why is this chaim yankle still around???&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you mean Berchmans?  I actually think he has a masochistic kink.  He keeps getting blatted and comes back for more!</p>
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		<title>By: peter1</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:16:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[so sweet of our dear little troll, init?
Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades released a joint statement taking credit for three barrels loaded with explosives that washed up on beaches in Israel.

Oh yeah, these home-made &quot;devices&quot; didn&#039;t explode for whatever reason and our troll is all puffed up with anger at Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, how dare they do such a thing !!!!!

shhhaaaaa, our troll doesn&#039;t talk about this, our troll doesn&#039;t know about this, our troll doesn&#039;t give a damn about this and oy vay we are soooooo surprised.
not.

Why is this chaim yankle still around???]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>so sweet of our dear little troll, init?<br />
Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades released a joint statement taking credit for three barrels loaded with explosives that washed up on beaches in Israel.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, these home-made &#8220;devices&#8221; didn&#8217;t explode for whatever reason and our troll is all puffed up with anger at Islamic Jihad, the Popular Resistance Committees, and the al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades, how dare they do such a thing !!!!!</p>
<p>shhhaaaaa, our troll doesn&#8217;t talk about this, our troll doesn&#8217;t know about this, our troll doesn&#8217;t give a damn about this and oy vay we are soooooo surprised.<br />
not.</p>
<p>Why is this chaim yankle still around???</p>
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		<title>By: Biodegradable</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/tedious-trade-union-turncoats/comment-page-1/#comment-13519</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Biodegradable]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Julie Burchill is no &quot;Julie come lately&quot;. 

Here&#039;s an article she wrote some 6 years ago:

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article394548.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;My nation of heroes, my chosen people . ..&lt;/a&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julie Burchill is no &#8220;Julie come lately&#8221;. </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s an article she wrote some 6 years ago:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/article394548.ece" rel="nofollow">My nation of heroes, my chosen people . ..</a></p>
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		<title>By: Abandon hope</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abandon hope]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vatik
 –


&quot;  have you actively valued people beyond anything, any people – including those who support Israel and Zionist ideals? Can you give us examples please – links, etc.? &quot;


I have written 200 posts ..maybe more ..to CIF ..calling for all attacks on Israeli civilians to be condemned. I have never ever balanced this with a call for Israeli violence to be taken into similar consideration...despite the gross differentials in deaths of civilians.


 Despite their dishonest and brutal regime I support Israelis as people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vatik<br />
 –</p>
<p>&#8221;  have you actively valued people beyond anything, any people – including those who support Israel and Zionist ideals? Can you give us examples please – links, etc.? &#8221;</p>
<p>I have written 200 posts ..maybe more ..to CIF ..calling for all attacks on Israeli civilians to be condemned. I have never ever balanced this with a call for Israeli violence to be taken into similar consideration&#8230;despite the gross differentials in deaths of civilians.</p>
<p> Despite their dishonest and brutal regime I support Israelis as people.</p>
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		<title>By: UnravelTheTangledThread</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UnravelTheTangledThread]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AbandonHope Your definition of a true left winger is puzzling – you said a true left-winger doesn’t discriminate against people “on religious grounds.” Obviously they’re allowed to  demonise and refuse to listen to those with different IDEOLOGICAL views, we see and experience them doing this all the time. This clearly shows they only value SOME people “above anything”, doesn’t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AbandonHope Your definition of a true left winger is puzzling – you said a true left-winger doesn’t discriminate against people “on religious grounds.” Obviously they’re allowed to  demonise and refuse to listen to those with different IDEOLOGICAL views, we see and experience them doing this all the time. This clearly shows they only value SOME people “above anything”, doesn’t it?</p>
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		<title>By: Vatik</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2010/02/04/tedious-trade-union-turncoats/comment-page-1/#comment-13515</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Vatik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:45:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AbandonHope &quot;There is no such thing as a left wing anti Semite …a true left winger will value people beyond anything and will be incapable of discriminating against people on religious grounds.&quot;

As a true left-winger, AbandonHope - have you actively valued people beyond anything, any people - including those who support Israel and Zionist ideals? Can you give us examples please - links, etc.? Or do you play for the other side?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AbandonHope &#8220;There is no such thing as a left wing anti Semite …a true left winger will value people beyond anything and will be incapable of discriminating against people on religious grounds.&#8221;</p>
<p>As a true left-winger, AbandonHope &#8211; have you actively valued people beyond anything, any people &#8211; including those who support Israel and Zionist ideals? Can you give us examples please &#8211; links, etc.? Or do you play for the other side?</p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AKUS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sorry - the link to the rocket-firing demonstration must use the capital letters as shown below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZtJlG3zso 

Copy and paste it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry &#8211; the link to the rocket-firing demonstration must use the capital letters as shown below:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZtJlG3zso" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZtJlG3zso</a> </p>
<p>Copy and paste it.</p>
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		<title>By: Margie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Margie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was in Malmo that the Israeli Davis Cup team had to play in a silent empty arena because the local police refused to protect them, wasn&#039;t it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was in Malmo that the Israeli Davis Cup team had to play in a silent empty arena because the local police refused to protect them, wasn&#8217;t it?</p>
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		<title>By: AKUS</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[AKUS]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 18:12:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[peterthehungarian

Thanks for the link. The anti0Semitism in Sweden is horrific, clearly due to to the enormous influence of the growing Moslem population they have foolishly allowed into their midst.

79 anti-Semitic acts against a population of less than 3,000 Jews in Malmo must put Malmo as the most anti-Semitic city in the world outside of Arab/Moslem countries on a percentage basis.

You can see the local Moslems in action  &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqztjlg3zso&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here- violent demonstration in Malmo&lt;/a&gt;. After initially throwing rocks at a small group of Jews singing &quot;Hinei matov u&#039;manaim&quot; - how pleasant it is to sit peacefully among brothers&quot; at timestamp 3:30 you see them starting to fire rockets and throwing fireworks at the Jewish group - Gaza in Malmo.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peterthehungarian</p>
<p>Thanks for the link. The anti0Semitism in Sweden is horrific, clearly due to to the enormous influence of the growing Moslem population they have foolishly allowed into their midst.</p>
<p>79 anti-Semitic acts against a population of less than 3,000 Jews in Malmo must put Malmo as the most anti-Semitic city in the world outside of Arab/Moslem countries on a percentage basis.</p>
<p>You can see the local Moslems in action  <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqztjlg3zso" rel="nofollow">here- violent demonstration in Malmo</a>. After initially throwing rocks at a small group of Jews singing &#8220;Hinei matov u&#8217;manaim&#8221; &#8211; how pleasant it is to sit peacefully among brothers&#8221; at timestamp 3:30 you see them starting to fire rockets and throwing fireworks at the Jewish group &#8211; Gaza in Malmo.</p>
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		<title>By: Serendipity</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Serendipity]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:46:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Vatik, I can identify with what you say.  Having been at the SOAS meeting (which I found stimulating) I also felt disappointed that in spite of David Hirsh&#039;s erudition about his subject he seemed not to be able to offer any antidote to the left&#039;s antisemitic poison.

From what I know of the current state of trade union functioning, the key word for their rank and file is indeed &quot;apathy.&quot;   As you say, trots and others take advantage of this.   It beggars belief that &quot;resolutions&quot; can be adopted when only a relatively small number of the membership has voted on them.  

We have seen this in the recent, and, as it turned out, illegal UCU attempts to boycott Israeli academics (the fools seem not to realise that if they did, half our universities would be functioning well below their best).   Creepiest of all, however, is how allegedly intelligent academics in UCU and elsewhere seem to want to fall over themselves to show that they are good Lefties by trying to outdo each other by adding to the OTT excoriation of Israel.  Now THAT smacks of Stalinist Russia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Vatik, I can identify with what you say.  Having been at the SOAS meeting (which I found stimulating) I also felt disappointed that in spite of David Hirsh&#8217;s erudition about his subject he seemed not to be able to offer any antidote to the left&#8217;s antisemitic poison.</p>
<p>From what I know of the current state of trade union functioning, the key word for their rank and file is indeed &#8220;apathy.&#8221;   As you say, trots and others take advantage of this.   It beggars belief that &#8220;resolutions&#8221; can be adopted when only a relatively small number of the membership has voted on them.  </p>
<p>We have seen this in the recent, and, as it turned out, illegal UCU attempts to boycott Israeli academics (the fools seem not to realise that if they did, half our universities would be functioning well below their best).   Creepiest of all, however, is how allegedly intelligent academics in UCU and elsewhere seem to want to fall over themselves to show that they are good Lefties by trying to outdo each other by adding to the OTT excoriation of Israel.  Now THAT smacks of Stalinist Russia.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Gerd 10:26

&lt;b&gt;Your spelling &quot;Jewlie&quot; gives away your vitriolic agenda, doesn&#039;t it?&lt;/b&gt;

The account you link to says this: &quot;During her talk there was a lot of tutting and bemused looks from the  – mostly middle aged, mostly Jewish – audience. It all began to get a bit embarrasing. She came across as increasingly sycophantic in her philosemitism and increasingly unhinged as the interview progressed.&quot;

&lt;b&gt;I was at that Limmud meeting in Brighton.&lt;/b&gt; Julie Burchill got loud applause at the end of her interview. A few people did not like her more controversial comments but her sincerity shone through. There was  not a &#039;lot of tutting&quot; and no-one that I spoke to after thought her &quot;sycophantic&quot; or &quot;unhinged&quot;. 

The one criticism I had was that her interviewer was not very good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Gerd 10:26</p>
<p><b>Your spelling &#8220;Jewlie&#8221; gives away your vitriolic agenda, doesn&#8217;t it?</b></p>
<p>The account you link to says this: &#8220;During her talk there was a lot of tutting and bemused looks from the  – mostly middle aged, mostly Jewish – audience. It all began to get a bit embarrasing. She came across as increasingly sycophantic in her philosemitism and increasingly unhinged as the interview progressed.&#8221;</p>
<p><b>I was at that Limmud meeting in Brighton.</b> Julie Burchill got loud applause at the end of her interview. A few people did not like her more controversial comments but her sincerity shone through. There was  not a &#8216;lot of tutting&#8221; and no-one that I spoke to after thought her &#8220;sycophantic&#8221; or &#8220;unhinged&#8221;. </p>
<p>The one criticism I had was that her interviewer was not very good.</p>
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		<title>By: HairShirt</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[HairShirt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:30:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[peterthehungarian, thanks for posting this, but it is hardly surprising.  After all the AftonBladet rubbish (battened onto by Sethele and CiF) was an index of what Sweden thinks of its Jews.

Modernityblog, thanks for pointing up David Hirsh&#039;s study of the the left and antisemitism.  It&#039;s probably a bit complicated for dopey to take on board but perhaps if he takes it nice and slowly....

I was at the presentation at SOAS where people commented on it.  It was an interesting evening indeed.

Is David Hirsh&#039;s paper online?   Could you post a link here if it is?

Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peterthehungarian, thanks for posting this, but it is hardly surprising.  After all the AftonBladet rubbish (battened onto by Sethele and CiF) was an index of what Sweden thinks of its Jews.</p>
<p>Modernityblog, thanks for pointing up David Hirsh&#8217;s study of the the left and antisemitism.  It&#8217;s probably a bit complicated for dopey to take on board but perhaps if he takes it nice and slowly&#8230;.</p>
<p>I was at the presentation at SOAS where people commented on it.  It was an interesting evening indeed.</p>
<p>Is David Hirsh&#8217;s paper online?   Could you post a link here if it is?</p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Independent Observer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:23:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmmm. &quot;Gert&quot; rhymes with &quot;dirt&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm. &#8220;Gert&#8221; rhymes with &#8220;dirt&#8221;.</p>
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