It is always heart-rending to see the suffering of civilians, and particularly that of children, in war zones. Most coverage, however, does not deliberately attempt to make propaganda out of it, and very few newspapers support that propaganda making. The quality media do not intrude, unless of course they are invited to do so, and rarely in order to act as propagandists for one side or the other.
Not so the Guardian which, like CiF, seems very willing to adopt that role. The Guardian itself, with its usual one-sidedness and eagerness to vilify Israel alone in the conflict, posted a video which painted that suffering, without any context and without any mention of the role of Hamas in exacerbating it. No comments were allowed after the article, which in itself speaks volumes about how badly the Guardian copes with criticism of its approach, but note how the Guardian translates the seated woman near the beginning of the video as saying “Israelis” when she is really saying “yahud,” which means “Jew” in Arabic. It seems that either the Guardian cannot distinguish between the two or does not want to admit that Hamas-inspired hatred of the “Zionist entity” is, in fact, hatred of her Jews.
The video was typical of what we have come to expect from Guardian reportage about Gaza. I have little doubt that children and families suffered. However, not mentioned (and the record cannot be put straight there since no comments are allowed to the article) is the deliberate contribution to and exacerbation of that suffering by Hamas, which the media, including the Guardian, reinforced by its mindless coverage which was often entirely lacking in curiosity about context.
We know that Hamas deliberately embedded itself among civilians, in schools and in private houses during Cast Lead, and that it used its own people as human shields. It launched kassams against civilians in Israel from playgrounds in which it deliberately encouraged children to play. These kassams are indeed rudimentary but they were still capable of doing damage. Sometimes they exploded during manufacture (and innocent people were killed because they were manufactured in private homes) or on their launch pads. Ordinance was stored among civilians in direct contravention of the Geneva Conventions.
Since the Guardian has not given people the opportunity to do so, I believe that we should remind their readers who come here of the context of the trauma to those Palestinian children and who is primarily to blame for it. As Col Richard Kemp has said war is by its very nature chaotic and mistakes happen in it. I am not trying to excuse any alleged excesses on Israel’s part, which are under investigation.
I have written previously about the plight of Gaza’s children, which has been deliberately brought about by Hamas and is equally deliberately made use of to further Hamas’ anti-Israel propaganda. The Guardian’s and CiF’s role in aiding and abetting and, as we see, lying by omission about this, is inexcusable. Worse, Hamas deliberately continues inculcating young children into its own culture of death and hatred, but the Guardian and CiF studiously ignore this. In the same article I described at length the psychological manipulation of little children by Hamas, so as to undermine their entirely natural fear of violent death, thereby ensuring the supply of the next generation of Islamist terrorists from Gaza. I also wrote about the probable psychological effects on these children of witnessing Muslim on Muslim violence in Gaza, as a result of Hamas’ violence against Fatah.
This, then, is the context into which the video should be placed, but which the Guardian deliberately ignores.
I have no doubt that the children of Gaza display the psychological symptomology described in the video. I repeat, however, that the video makes no attempt to tell its audience about the effects of over eight years of continued shelling on the children of southern Israel (see also here and for a more detailed account of the psychological trauma of the citizens of Sderot, see here and on the children of Sderot, here ). In this, and true to form, the Guardian portrays the Gazans as the only victims of Cast Lead and reinforces their victimhood by lying by omission again and again when it chooses to paint Israel as the archetypal villain.






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January 31, 2010 at 9:02 pm
WatcherInTheRye
Snigger to MonicaS
“Not sure that Save the Children will thank you for showing its bias here, though.”
I take it you’ve sniggered your way to sleep by now, (way to go) but don’t deluded yourself; I doubt that Save the Children gives a half a monkey’s fuck about Cif Watch.
January 31, 2010 at 9:19 pm
WatcherInTheRye
TomWonacott
“Nothing about how Hamas embedded in the population during the war. Nothing about the last minute appeal by Olmert to avoid the war. Nothing about the choices that Hamas has as the government of Gaza. Nothing about how the Islamist’s ideological war against the Jewish state supersedes the welfare of the people of Gaza. Nothing.”
Are you alright? You seem to be ranting there just a touch. This is a video series about children on the sharp end of war and natural catastrophes, for crissakes. This is a video series made in conjunction with the not-for-profit NGO, Save the Children. Here, check out this sweetheart from Haiti telling her story:
http://www.youtube.com/savethechildrenuk?gl=GB&hl=en-GB
You really should do something about that debilitating obsession of yours.
January 31, 2010 at 10:06 pm
Reza Khan
Medusa,
One of the problems is that it is not customary in Israel to show bodies or blood as does Palestinian propaganda.
Is this religious law, secular law, or simply cultural?
January 31, 2010 at 10:32 pm
Arabella Meller
Irish you have a lot of faith in people. Most of them only remember what you tell them often. Perhaps they heard once or twice from the BBC that there were rockets on Israel but when they hear from the BBC and the Guardian and Save the Children and Sky News that there are bombs on Gazan children from Israel- never on Hamas – and that the children suffer they think of Israel as aggressors.
They have long forgotten that for eight years Israel suffered rockets and they only know that for two weeks Gaza suffered bombs.
They don’t see the destruction in Israel but they are shown the destruction in Gaza week after week. This is deliberate propaganda
It makes an impression.
January 31, 2010 at 10:47 pm
Arabella Meller
We are talking about a Save the Children fund video and someone upthread made a comment regretting that there were so many Gazan deaths and so few deaths in Israel.
The reason is simple. Israel tries to save the children. Children are precious in Israel. Israeli law stipulates that every house built has to have a security area — because of the kind of neighbours it has.
When Israel was in Gaza they built bomb shelters for the protection of the Gazan people. Hamas not only shoots rockets at Israel from among the population, inviting response on the civilians, it also keeps the people out of those bomb shelters Israel built, using them for the storage of ammunition and for the safety of the Hamas thugs. The misery of the Gazan population is part of the Hamas propaganda. Our pity for these poor children is what they rely on.
Of course what we aren’t shown is the misery of the Sderot children, just as human, just as frightened but much less considered by the Guardian and the bigots..
January 31, 2010 at 10:55 pm
Umm Hanan
ArabellaMeller, you understand some of what happens. You don’t know that the Save the Children photographer and producers don’t speak Arabic. Hamas sent them with its translators who told the children not to complain about their government to these foreigners.
January 31, 2010 at 11:05 pm
TomWonacott
WatcherInTheRye
“……You really should do something about that debilitating obsession of yours…..”
Thanks for your reply. Anytime I see a video like this one, which could have been made and distributed by Hamas (or the Guardian, hmm), then I tend to question what the producers were trying to accomplish. Yes, everyone can sympathize with children caught in a war zone, but the video puts Israel in a bad light while letting Hamas off Scot-free, therefore, in my mind, the video is a propaganda piece (I mean really, the bombed out school? And who did this dastardly deed again?):
Videos like this one serve an important purpose, but its nice to supplement the video with the truth, no?
January 31, 2010 at 11:16 pm
JerusalemMite
Medusa.
The Guardian translated “Yahood”=Zionists is very very telling in the Guardian’s ongoing attempt to present its obsession with Israel as anti Zionist and not anti Jew.
Well spotted.
January 31, 2010 at 11:22 pm
JerusalemMite
Arabella Meller
We are talking about a Save the Children fund video and someone upthread made a comment regretting that there were so many Gazan deaths and so few deaths in Israel.
In case you were not aware, a photographer who enters the Gaza Strip is not free to move around but has ‘minders’ who move them on if they have any suspicion that the pictures taken will expose any negativity about Hamas. Hamas thinks twice about removing any recording media as they are aware that the ‘offending’ film may have been sent electronically somewhere else and they would just be making fools of themselves.
January 31, 2010 at 11:59 pm
Gerald Kreeve
You people are not getting the picture. Israel treats everyone as human. Hamas treats everyone as trash
The world was amazed at the standard of care that Haitians got from the Israeli rescue and hospital teams. Israel gives the same standard of care to everyone, Israeli or not, Jew or not.
Most of you here don’t get this.
(example of someone who belongs to Hamas: the slimy sneering thing who calls himself Johnny the Zionist)
February 1, 2010 at 1:27 am
JerusalemMite
Gerald Kreeve
(example of someone who belongs to Hamas: the slimy sneering thing who calls himself Johnny the Zionist)
Actually, ‘the slimy sneering thing who calls himself Johnny the Zionist’ has the distinctive pong of Dotty, the true ‘truth’ seeker, about him.
February 1, 2010 at 2:25 am
Israelinurse
Reza Khan – although your above question was addressed to Medusa, the reason Israeli TV/press does not show explicit pictures of the dead and injured from suicide bombings, for example, is cultural. We do not believe that it is right to expose our children, the victims’ families, or anyone else to such sights. Although undoubtedly this and other accepted norms in Israel, such as the fact that we clean up and repair the area within hours of an attack, are not as ‘photogenic’ for foreign journalists as practices accepted by other cultures, we feel that there are more important things than media coverage.
February 1, 2010 at 6:04 am
peter1
MS,
Who the fuck cares about your hollow righteous indignation?
Neither you in all your guises nor the arabist apologist has any customersfor your collective BS
does anybody care what you “think”? no
does anybody care what “name” you’re using? no
The ONLY explanation needed is why trash like you is allowed in the door when you have nothing to contribute to the goal of the site which has stated the aims clearly.
February 1, 2010 at 6:11 am
exiledlondoner
Peter1,
The ONLY explanation needed is why trash like you is allowed in the door when you have nothing to contribute to the goal of the site which has stated the aims clearly.
Oh Peter, you’re so tough…. I bet you’re just as brave in real life…
February 1, 2010 at 6:12 am
exiledlondoner
..or at least you will be, when you’ve grown up.
February 1, 2010 at 6:26 am
peter1
arabist apologist,
hehe like somebody gives a shit about what you think?
by me, you can still shmeck in tuches.
February 1, 2010 at 6:30 am
Reza Khan
Israelinurse,
I understand that Jeiwsh religion’s “respect for life” principles require all body parts to be treated as sacred and interred with the body, to the extent of quite admirable teams undertaking the task of searching every inch of the street.
There is also the prohibition upon open caskets, as is otherwise so common in the west.
Might not the cultural aversion to other forms of disrespect arise from similar religious derivation?
In any case, as laudable as it may be, it is placing Israel at a great disadvantage in the media war whch may determine Israel’s fate.
February 1, 2010 at 6:32 am
Biodegradable
The BBC has also censored Muslim threats to kill the “Yahud”. Not Israelis, or even Zionists – Jews.
See the second video linked here:
http://www.hurryupharry.org/2010/01/31/two-videos/
February 1, 2010 at 6:54 am
Duvid Crockett
Peter1 about arabist apologist; “you can still shmeck in tuches.” Not heard it before, but love it.
February 1, 2010 at 6:59 am
exiledlondoner
Duvid Crockett,
Peter1 about arabist apologist; “you can still shmeck in tuches.” Not heard it before, but love it.
But do you understand it?
February 1, 2010 at 7:00 am
Serendipity
Reza Khan, you are right that the dead body is sacred in Judaism, and halachic law dictates that it not be paraded, put on display or otherwise disrespected, even the bodies of enemies.
This is why graphic photographs of the carnage caused by suicide murder in Israel was never published in the press or encouraged to be broadcast in the media. Israel, unlike her Islamist neighbours, did not make propaganda capital from them, as you say to her disadvantage.
I believe the halachic injunction drives this behaviour but I also wonder whether the rapid clearing of streets of body parts and blood after suicide murders was not also in the interests of the Israeli public’s morale.
Biodegradable – yes. They don’t realise that many of us understand enough Arabic to recognise hate speech when we hear it.
February 1, 2010 at 7:18 am
Duvid Crockett
Duvidl has decided to mint a campaign medal, “the Order of the Shmeck in Tuches,” for immediate presentation to all Guardian staff. Bella M will be the first recipient.
Further biennial presentations will be made, commencing with Oliver Miles and other members and ex-members of the camel corps, for services rendered.
February 1, 2010 at 8:56 am
Duvid Crockett
A Brief Dissertation on the Etymology of the Clause, “shmeck in tuches” for those Unfamiliar with its Modern English Usage.” By Duvid Crockett
The verbalisation of the word “shmeck” by the insertion and transplantation of the centralised letter “e” is not to be confused with the verb “schmecken”, as in “es schmeckt gut”-”it tastes good.” Current usage does, however, demonstrate how previously thought of nouns may otherwise be verbalised by a simple change of letter.
The use of “in”, with no added personal pronouns, is fairly common usage south of the Carpathians. It helps to shorten the clause, cementing it and making it more assertive, expressive and pithy for modern usage.
The word “tuches” must never be confused with or transmuted into “tachat”, lest it give offense to linguists preferring differing pronunciation.
Finally, although generally considered somewhat rigid and inflexible, the clause is extremely malleable in modern English usage, due to its incisive brevity. It would benefit from being deployed more often in web discourse, particularly at Cif Watch.
February 1, 2010 at 11:17 am
pretzelberg
Medusa
“Pretzelberg, why do you think there were no videos about Sderot? … ONE answer, please, succinct and not an essay, after which I consider my conversation with you closed. Understand?”
Yes, ma’am/sir!!
Jeez, how arrogant can you get? You really think I’m going to answer a post like that??
February 1, 2010 at 11:24 am
exiledlondoner
Duvid Crockett,
I’m indebted to you for your erudition… and I think Peter1 may be so as well…
February 1, 2010 at 11:40 am
Mitnaged
One has also to wonder about the effects in terms vicarious traumatisation of blood-drenched bodies being paraded in public before young children. I have little doubt, Medusa, that children in Gaza were traumatised by Cast Lead and Hamas’ insistence that they become vulnerable in order to deflect Israeli attacks.
However, as you yourself have written elsewhere, how much of the psychological trauma we are now seeing is in fact the sum total of the day to day violence they were exposed to anyway before Cast Lead and since, when many children witnessed the murder of Fatah operatives by Hamas?
I note that the StC film makes no mention of that, nor do the talking heads we see who address media about harm to Palestinian children ever address the probable effects of witnessing incidents like the following:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/969778.stm
Note that the caption says that the bodies were dragged through the streets for further abuse. We cannot know that this was not witnessed by children.
February 1, 2010 at 11:57 am
exiledlondoner
Mitnaged,
I have little doubt, Medusa, that children in Gaza were traumatised by Cast Lead and Hamas’ insistence that they become vulnerable in order to deflect Israeli attacks.
Do you have some software that automatically shoe-horns the propaganda into your posts? If not, it must be really tiresome to have to come up with something every time you post.
Just so long as you never write “children in Gaza were traumatised by Cast Lead”, without getting your message across, eh? That would never do….
February 1, 2010 at 12:07 pm
Yohoho
Exiled, no doubt about it – literal thinking does have its disadvantages doesn’t it?
February 1, 2010 at 12:09 pm
Yohoho
Psst, Medusa – I think pretzel won’t answer because he can’t find what you asked, and because his bumptious pride has been hurt. Game, set and match to you I think.
February 1, 2010 at 12:22 pm
peter1
Duvid,
It happens to come from the story of the Lion and the Fox, and glad you agree that its appropriate terminology.
February 1, 2010 at 12:41 pm
pretzelberg
@ Yohoho
Gosh, what a childish post yours was.
I think I’d seriously dent my own pride by lowering myself to answer such a preposterously arrogant question from Medusa.
And they’re asking the wrong person re. Sderot – because it was yours truly who first expressed dismay about there being two videos about Gaza children.
The two of you ought to feel very silly indeed.
February 1, 2010 at 12:43 pm
Mitnaged
exiled – Palestinian children are children like all others. Their human rights are routinely infringed by their “education” at the hands of Hamas and Fatah and yet nothing is heard about this in the western media. Why is that do you think?
Do you think that this sort of “education” causes trauma to Palestinian children?
http://www.pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_AhmadYassinClipKids.asx
or this:
http://www.teachkidspeace.org/slideshow.php
Or this:
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_Armedkids.asx
or this:
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_noFear.asx
or this:
http://pmw.org.il/asx/PMW_girl.asx (note how she refers to killing the Jews, not Israelis). Did she sound calm and centred and as if she had arrived at her message after careful thought and having taken wise advice? Or was she being manipulated?
Again, why do you think nothing is ever heard about all this?
February 1, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Yohoho
pretzel, you have no pride to dent – you lost it long ago, old feller when you began yammering on.
And all that is needed is a simple answer to an easy question, without going on and on and on!
You see, I don’t think you can answer because there are no links in the Guardian to any videos which show a childs-eye view of what it has been like to live as a child in Sderot under almost continuous shell fire from Gaza for over eight years.
However, to admit that would cost you, wouldn’t it?
So instead you throw your teddy bear out of the pram.
You can be quite an immature individual at times, can’t you?
February 1, 2010 at 1:01 pm
exiledlondoner
Mitnaged,
exiled – Palestinian children are children like all others. Their human rights are routinely infringed by their “education” at the hands of Hamas and Fatah and yet nothing is heard about this in the western media. Why is that do you think?
I read about what goes on in Palestinian (and other Arab country’s) schools every single week, and it’s deplorable.
Don’t you think your reply rather illustrated my point? You’re incapable of accepting one fact (that Cast Lead traumatised many children), without making a crude propaganda point.
It comes across more as a policy, than an opinion. You must get the message out, whatever the subject.
February 1, 2010 at 1:23 pm
pretzelberg
@ Yohoho
“you have no pride to dent – you lost it long ago, old feller when you began yammering on.”
Yes … yammering on about being called a “piggish goy”. I am very sensitive, aren’t I?
“You see, I don’t think you can answer because there are no links in the Guardian … ”
Erm … why should I answer? What obgliation am I under? It’s like a f*ckin’ interrogation at times.
“However, to admit that would cost you, wouldn’t it?”
I was the first here to refer to the excessive number of videos from Gaza – so why on earth would that “cost me”?
That’s crazy stuff there.
February 1, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Mitnaged
Not so, exiled. Your post shows your rigid thinking. It is merely your point of view and you are unnaturally exercised because I don’t share it.
Cast Lead indeed traumatised children who were probably traumatised already. Hamas, however, deliberately made sure that they were put in harm’s way and traumatised so that it could parade their misery in the media and no one in the Guardian or CiF has ever written about this!. Have you? If so, do give a reference here.
Hamas makes propaganda capital from the sumative effect of its own inhuman actions which it deliberately brought about and people like you bystand and do nothing. If people hear about it at all it’s from sites like CiFWatch.
So you go tell CiF that the way in which Hamas inducts its children is deplorable – after all, you are preaching to the choir here – and see whether they will take any notice of you.
Something tells me that you will not, and even if you did, your voice would fall on deaf ears.
February 1, 2010 at 1:32 pm
Yohoho
“piggish goy”?
How that must have hurt your feelings, pretzel.
I wouldn’t have called you that..
February 1, 2010 at 1:40 pm
exiledlondoner
Mitnaged,
So Hamas makes propaganda…. inducts its children… inhuman actions… deliberately… put in harm’s way and traumatised….. parade their misery in the media….
Hamas makes propaganda? What about you? Every single line is propaganda…
Have you? If so, do give a reference here.
I don’t have any reason to believe that Hamas deliberately put kids in the firing line, just so they could parade their misery. Yes, Hamas fighters moved amongst civilians, but that’s something completely different.
Why on earth would I write your propaganda for you?
February 1, 2010 at 1:45 pm
Abandon hope
Mitnaged
“Cast Lead .. traumatised children who were probably traumatised already. ”
So we did them a favour really. The expression “Cast Lead ” with its mock Hollywood associations and lightness of touch..it seems almost jovial. On the BBC news today the guys who fired phosphorus at the UNHQ were given rows.
Do you think CIFwatch will debate it?.. Maybe not ..” Cast Phosphorus ” doesnt sound so snappy.
February 1, 2010 at 2:03 pm
Israelinurse
‘Mock Hollywood associations’ ?! That’s one hell of a leap from reality, Abandon hope!
February 1, 2010 at 3:00 pm
HairShirt
Dopey, the officers were not discliplined about alleged phosphorous. see the following
The Editor
Times Online
Sir,
Universally, journalistic ethics demand not only accuracy but that
headlines do not misrepresent.
Times Online of February 1, carried the headline “Israeli officers
disciplined over white phosphorus use in Gaza”
But buried near the end of the 1,000 word article is the
contradictory admission that white phosphorus is not even mentioned
in the reprimands of the two officers. They were found guilty of
“exceeding their authority in a manner that jeopardised the lives of
others”.
Readers are entitled to expect a much higher standard from the Times.
It is also not out of place to object to the raising of the white
phosphorus specter, inferring that is an illegal weapon used only by
Israel. It is not illegal and it is used by NATO as well as the
Taliban. According to a CNN report “It is U.S. military policy to
employ white phosphorous for illumination, marking targets or
destroying buildings, but to abstain from using it against people.”
http://tinyurl.com/y9xg5qo
During the Goldstone hearings, expert witness Michael Newton,
professor of law at Vanderbilt University stated categorically that
white phosphorous is not prohibited by the Chemical Weapons
Convention and that perfectly valid uses include marking of targets
and as a smoke screen to shield movements.
Sincerely
Maurice Ostroff
It seems that the Times is as divorced from the actualite as you are and the rest of your mates at the Guardian/CiF
“Readers are entitled to expect a much higher standard from the Times..”
Evidently not. It is cursed with the same aversion to reporting the truth as is the Guardian.
February 1, 2010 at 3:06 pm
Shlomit
Imagine living like this for over eight years.
Imagine fearing retaliation because your family was forced to allow the launching of kassams from your house.
Imagine the fear when you are “encouraged” to stand on the roof of a building when kassams are being launched underneath you.
Imagine the fear when you are taught in kindergarten that “martyrdom is beautiful”
You don’t realise that death is forever. You are not taught that Israeli children are just like you. You are taught that they must be killed and that you must grow up to kill them.
What sort of animals teach young children that?
It really doesn’t matter whether or not they are animals, the fact is you depend on them and they are abusing you.
By the time you find out it is too late
February 1, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Shlomit
you really are an idiot, aren’t you Exiled?
worse, you are an willing idiot and you show yourself to be so with every word you write.
“Hamas moved among civilians” and “that is something completely different” is it?
HOW THE HELL COULD CIVILIANS NOT GET HURT IF HAMAS MOVED AMONGST THEM DURING CAST LEAD?
Are you really quite mad or are you doing all this for a dare?
February 1, 2010 at 3:30 pm
HairShirt
shlomit at 3.16pm excellent post.
People may be interested in this:
http://www.peacewithrealism.org/headline/enablers.htm
Note:
“…Quite a few of the Palestinian casualties were victims of Palestinian terrorists. Hamas claimed that one six-year-old girl was killed by an Israeli strike on Beit Hanun, but residents nearby said the real cause of her death was a Palestinian rocket that fell short and landed near her house. A baby and two teenagers were hit when another Palestinian rocket misfired. It appears such incidents are not infrequent. According to Israeli officials, as many as half of the Palestinian rockets fall inside Gaza, menacing the Palestinian population.
“We are living in the middle of the battle zone” said Rami Muhammad Ali, 21, of Jabaliya. “We wanted to flee the house, but we’ve been trapped since last night. Rockets and missiles are whistling by all the time, and the building has been shaken by mines the Palestinians are setting off against the Israeli soldiers.”
“Hamas terrorists do this deliberately. They stage their attacks from residential areas, showing complete disregard for the lives of their own people and a cynical willingness to use them as pawns for propaganda. Who gets the blame when Palestinian civilians die? Israel. So why should Hamas care? Hamas is, after all, the government elected by the Palestinian people.
“Last Friday Omar Dardouna, 14, was out playing with his friends when an Israeli strike aimed at terrorists who were launching rockets killed him. Said the distraught father: “I couldn’t identify the body of my son. It was very hard until I found the head of my son. I’m against these rockets, but I am afraid. What can I do? If I protest they will hit me, they will kill me…”
“…..Those who defend the Palestinians uncritically are enablers of murder. Not just the murder of Israelis, about whom they clearly could hardly care less, but the murder of the Palestinian victims of the Palestinian terrorists. The uncritical Palestinian partisans also share responsibility for the blood of the Palestinians who die in Israeli strikes intended to stop the aggression against Israeli cities. Israel cannot let this go on, while the Palestinians fire more powerful rockets deeper into its territory. These attacks are the only reason for the Israeli strikes. Those who support the Palestinian “resistance” are aiding the provocation that makes these strikes necessary. Unless they temper their support with strong and unequivocal criticism of Palestinian aggression, all their sympathy for the Palestinian people is nothing more than crocodile tears.
“The hypocrisy of the left is astounding. They shout, “End the occupation now!” but when Israel did end the occupation of Gaza, they accused Israel of unilateralism. They cry out against racism, but they treat the Palestinians with a paternalistic racism that considers them so primitive they cannot be held responsible for what they do. After all, I have been told, you can’t expect the Palestinians to change, they grew up with an anti-Israel narrative. Israelis are expected to change. Israelis who have lived for years under the threat of Arab aggression and Palestinian terrorism are expected to change and to forgive and even to apologize. But Palestinians are not expected to change. They are not even expected to stop broadcasting children’s TV programs that fill their children’s minds with racist hatred. No wonder the Palestinians keep calling themselves victims and claim to be helpless while they pump Israeli population centers full of rockets and bombs. …
“..There are tragic Palestinian victims of this war: those few – and nobody knows how many – who want the rockets to stop but who are afraid to speak out. Unfortunately, there are not enough of them to make a difference. Too many support Hamas, or even if they have lost faith in Hamas, they still support Israel’s destruction. Tens of thousands of Gazans came out to protest Israel’s efforts to stop the rocket attacks. If half that many Gazans protested the rocket attacks themselves, even Hamas would have to listen.
“The Palestinians have much to answer for, but no one is making them do it. They have been given virtual carte blanche to pursue their own genocidal “resistance,” while their supporters treat them like poor lost children. Those who do are enabling murder, murder of innocents on both sides. If they don’t care about Israelis, let them at least care about the Palestinians, whose pain they claim to feel so deeply…”
February 1, 2010 at 3:30 pm
exiledlondoner
Shlomit,
you really are an idiot, aren’t you Exiled?
Ah, reasoned debate! That’s what I like to see….
worse, you are an willing idiot and you show yourself to be so with every word you write.
Getting into your stride now? Soon you might even come up with something I can respond to….. but no rush….
“Hamas moved among civilians” and “that is something completely different” is it?
Sure is. It’s very different to deliberately putting kids in the firing line, just so they could parade their misery. You don’t think so?
HOW THE HELL COULD CIVILIANS NOT GET HURT IF HAMAS MOVED AMONGST THEM DURING CAST LEAD?
Where did I say that?
I didn’t say civilians weren’t hurt because of Hamas’s actions – I said that it’s very different to deliberately putting kids in the firing line, just so they could parade their misery (which is more of a vile mantra than an accusation).
Are you really quite mad or are you doing all this for a dare?
I do it for the pleasure of engaging with people like you…
By the way, I don’t believe we’ve met before. Do you always introduce yourself this way?
February 1, 2010 at 3:36 pm
Shlomit
You just couldn’t NOT respond, could you Exiled?
And because of that you are still an idiot. You are allowing yourself to be played, you dummy! One cannot “debate” with you – one could get more sense from a Speak Your Weight machine.
You know as well as I do that I am right about Hamas. It just pains you dreadfully to admit that I am.
No matter. The longer this goes on, the more of an idiot you look, so go ahead.
February 1, 2010 at 3:52 pm
exiledlondoner
Shlomit,
Are you angry by any chance?
You just couldn’t NOT respond, could you Exiled?
Couldn’t not? I did respond…. That’s all you need to know.
And because of that you are still an idiot.
I’m an idiot for trying to engage with you? If you say so….
You are allowing yourself to be played, you dummy!
Played by a Tourette’s sufferer, it seems…..
One cannot “debate” with you
Well you are clearly having trouble?
one could get more sense from a Speak Your Weight machine.
Then I suggest that you find one….
You know as well as I do that I am right about Hamas.
Then you must know that you’re wrong?
It just pains you dreadfully to admit that I am.
I don’t get pained too easily, and you’re nowhere near good enough for that. Keep flattering yourself, but it’s you who’s lost the plot.
No matter. The longer this goes on, the more of an idiot you look, so go ahead
Thank you for your permission – I have done so.
Did you have anything to say about the debate, or are you just here to spit the dummy?
February 1, 2010 at 4:37 pm
pretzelberg
Shlomit
And because of that you are still an idiot. You are allowing yourself to be played, you dummy! One cannot “debate” with you –
… whereas you, I suppose, are a paragon of fair, reasonable and level-headed intercourse …
February 1, 2010 at 4:49 pm
peter1
The “game” that is played now by hamas, previously by the PA and of course by the PLO is one of projection.
What were the targets of PLO terrorism over the course of years?
Schools, buses, children hiking, these were the original targets, operational success meant killing children in an attempt to “break” Israel, to make the cost of Israel too high to bear.
It didn’t work, not because Israel was prepared to watch children die, but because she was prepared to stand up to and stop the terrorists.
Israel didn’t hold up dead children as a badge of honour, but a badge of shame and made damn sure that it will not continue.
Pallywood has made an industry out of this while the citizens gets used and abused with honour now being associated with being fodder.
Israel has managed to withstand and put an end to operational success of dead children in clubs, restaurants and shopping areas.
The Arabs continue Pallywood instead of rethinking positions and making the hard choices needed to move forward.
February 2, 2010 at 1:10 pm
Mitnaged
Peter1, look around at the trolls here and at the pro-Islamists on CiF, and you will see projection at every turn. It arises from the paranoid-schizoid stage of development which has not been grown out of by these people – I don’t have the time this evening to explain how that happens.
You say, “..Israel didn’t hold up dead children as a badge of honour, but a badge of shame and made damn sure that it will not continue…”
Very true. Look, by contrast, at Hamas/Islamist deliberate use of children in their “war effort” as human shields and making sure that when they were killed and wounded they were photographed by the world’s press;
At their “education” in kindergartens, schools and summer camps towards “glorious martyrdom” – but note that, with the exception of the infamous Nizar Rayyan, no Hamas official, imam or teacher leads by example or puts himself out there as a role model for (in)glorious death;
One wonders how any child can survive unscarred and develop normally in a society where women are also “encouraged” (by the same Nizar Rayyan) to be suicide murderers, and where they are obviously held in such contempt as to be disposed of thus while their brave menfolk bystand and egg them on.
Where such children do survive and flourish it is in spite of Hamas and the useful idiots’ tacit encouragement of its methods, rather than because of them.
The future of any society lies in its children. We can see how Hamas views Palestinian children. Because of this, unless it changes drastically, Palestinian society can never survive.