The Guardian World View, which is particularly applicable to CiF, is that Israel is always in the wrong. The emotionally-compromised haters who are encouraged to “contribute” below the line have as great a difficulty in separating out reasoned criticism of Israel from the unreasoned and at times vitriolic criticism of her people, and are encouraged to vent their spleen furthering that view. All this, as I have said, makes for the ideal climate for Israel- and at times Jew-hatred to flourish there.
With all this in mind, enter stage left (and I say this deliberately because the man in question is still a Labour councillor of Ward 4 Paisley North West) Councillor Terry Kelly who, not content with venting his ignorant spleen on his own blog (more of that anon) seemed obviously to have been drawn to CiF for some reason or other.
However, since I began writing this article there has been a strange turn of events – that particular Councillor Kelly (hereinafter referred to as the alternative Councillor Terry Kelly) who allegedly wrote the following to CiF:
“22 Jan 10, 2:48pm (about 5 hours ago)
If I have said someone is a racist and a liar it is because they are. These people have subjected my family to a violent hate campaign for years; I’m not surprised they find support amongst the squalid internet horde; they are like the people who used to write poison pen letters in years gone by; now they have the internet which saves on psychiatrists. The police should be shutting this stuff down imho.”
And:
22 Jan 2010, 6:27PM
There is no Anti-semitism; only anti-zionism. Real jews know that zionism is against Judaism. Its the squalid liars and cowards who defend the slaughter of innocent people that exploit anti-semitism as a cover for their agression.”
is not, according to the real Councillor Kelly, the actual Councillor Kelly (if you get my drift)
(I can’t help but think of a theory well-known to classical scholars that the Greek poet Homer’s epics were not written by Homer, but by another person with the same name….)
This is all very confusing because the comments on the real Councillor’s own blog, (of which further details follow) very much resemble the alternative Councillor Kelly’s alleged rantings on CiF. If he was set up then it was by someone who knew him very well indeed.
Note, for example, the rank hypocrisy in this particularly nasty little thread (from the real Terry Kelly’s blog) in which he seems to be concerned that Jews suffer because of Israel’s actions. His concern is merely a device, however, as his real self as a cardholding antisemite comes through elsewhere on the blog with the following selection of statements and comments:
“I have no problem with Jews who are ‘assertive, religious, able to defend themselves’ who have temporal or political power’ but, ‘a homeland’ – Israel, is of course the homeland you refer to. The problem is it’s not theirs, they took it by force from a peaceful people who had lived there for 2,000 I know many Jews who can hardly bare (sic) the shame of what is going on in their name.”
“I support a two state solution because it’s the only way forward but, I’m not prepared to lie about it, what I would like to see is a one state solution, Palestine, from the Jordan to the sea, a state that can accommodate everyone who wants to live there in peace and freedom.”
“If you are up to speed with this as you appear to be you will be aware of the blackmailing tactics used by some of the pro Israeli lobby which amounts to screaming anti Semite at anyone who makes any criticism of Israel, this takes on a more sinister look in America where people come under extreme pressure to say nothing about Israel’s behaviour, to the extent that peoples (sic) lives, jobs, academic freedom etc. are put at risk. It’s quite liberating to be unafraid of them, they are a disgrace to the Jewish people and a bunch of thugs.”
“Jim – Hamas’s stated aim is the destruction of Israel you have chosen to take the blood curdling fighting rhetoric literally because it suits your argument, you just sound silly, the newspapers today are carrying stories about Hamas already calling for talks with Fatah, that’s not very blood curdling is it ?”
“Anyone who can discuss the Middle East without condemning Israel’s crimes is the one in need of medication.”
“Don’t buy Israeli goods; don’t have dealings with Israel; don’t visit the place; ban sporting contacts with them; shun them for the vile racists they are; force them through an economic blockade to do the decent thing. Force them to act as they once did; when their treatment under the Nazis won them the respect and affection of most of the world; many people like me remain livid at the Behaviour (sic) of the Israeli State; behaviour that has made many of us move from being massively sympathetic to the suffering of the Jews to being livid at the way they continue to treat the Palestinians.”
“British playwright Caryl Churchill wrote a well received play in response to the Gaza tragedy called “Seven Jewish Children” the play’s theme is taken from Jewish history and guess what; BBC radio bosses refused to broadcast it because they claimed again they were concerned about impartiality, what is going on here who is pulling the strings?”
“You are a liar, there is nowhere in the Gaza Strip where a bomb could land and be safe for civilians, it is the most densely packed area of land in the world; Israel has turned it into the worlds biggest prison. Your comments are vile and they support war crimes, what kind of person are you? You are trying to justify the killing of innocent children, have you no decency at all?”
“People who demand yes or no answers usually don’t have a very strong case. I believe that every violent death is a tragedy. The real acid test is for people like you to say what your attitude would be if you were a young Palestinian living in Gaza, if I was and my courage didn’t fail me I would be fighting the occupier at every opportunity.”
“I am a friend of Israel that’s what friends do for each other, they tell the truth, like the many Israelis and Jews who agree with me.”
The real Councillor Kelly digs an even deeper hole for himself in his latest contribution to Harry’s Place where the following shows him in full throttle:
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26 January 2010, 5:26 pm |
I will now break my own rule and write to another web site. frank; Flaming Fairy; Gene and Mick. This is the real Terry Kelly; not the one who exploited (sic)(eh?) your bigotry and made such fools of you. A cursery (sic)glance at my site would have made it obvious to most people that it was not me who wrote these things.
It’s even more clear from your latest efforts that there is nothing I can say that will prevent you from finding some offence real or imagined.
You are not very graciuos (sic) losers; maybe you can learn from this; I genuinely hope so.
Cllr. Terry Kelly.”
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26 January 2010, 5:37 pm |
This is truly worrying I expected better; it would appear that I am not to be treated fairly after all. You are reinforcing the Zionist stereotype; there is clearly no point in discussing it; none of you is even prepared to admit that you were duped and the reason it was easy to dupe you is quite evident in your latest reactions.”
That gem entirely merited the following measured and reasoned response which seems to sum up perceptions generally:
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26 January 2010, 5:58 pm |
Cllr Kelly.
Speaking as someone whose cat is often impersonated by the ‘Legal Officer’ of the BNP allow me to say that your own impersonator appears to have fascistic tendencies too.
The only thing is – how do we tell you apart?”
The real Councillor Terry Kelly comes across as a typically uncouth bare-knuckle apology for a “debater,” who hates Israel blindly and actually knows very little about Middle Eastern politics. His idea of debate on his blog is to dismiss as liars and/or otherwise insult the people who disagree with his views or argue with him. Is this pugnacity a residual personality trait? Where has it got him in the past?
Not surprisingly his inability to engage his brain before he opens his mouth has got him into all sorts of trouble in the council chamber. Perhaps his blog serves to allow him to vent online against Israel/Jews rather than in meetings against his fellow councillors.
You could be forgiven for thinking that the real Councillor Terry Kelly would be just the CiF type of anti-Israel scrapper and be welcomed with open arms by the Guardianistas. Indeed he comes across as if he is Berchmans’ first cousin and makes just as little sense.
Therefore it is hardly surprising that anyone who chose to impersonate Kelly should do so on CiF. Perhaps they did so in the knowledge that CiF is an ideal facilitating climate for such drivel and it is likely to get by virtually unnoticed.






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January 27, 2010 at 10:23 am
Shlomit
Yohoho, great minds think alike!
I think khartoumi is al-takeyya-ing.
He’s lying too when he says he knows a lot about Islam too, I’d bet.
January 27, 2010 at 10:26 am
Yohoho
“Since it is not possible to “leave” a faith one has never been part of, I will have to say that no, I have not left Islam.”
khartoumi, you are really good at this al-takeyya aren’t you?
Or perhaps not, because we can spot it.
A Muslim Marxist, eh?
Do they know that in the Sudan?
January 27, 2010 at 10:27 am
David
Shlomit,
“Al-takeyya”. Sorry, you’ll have to clue me in…. I take it from the context that it’s some sort of religious injuntion allowing Muslims to deny Allah for expedient reasons?
Why don’t you try substituting some real research into Zionism for your Koranic cod scholarship and woeful Arabic?
You might be able to engage sensibly then….
January 27, 2010 at 10:30 am
David
Yohoho,
I said above that some people cannot be argued with and you are the best possible proof of that.
It must be sad for you to live in a world where people do not say what they mean, do not mean what they say and, even, are people who they say they are not.
Pity.
January 27, 2010 at 10:33 am
modernityblog
SarahLeah,
Thanks, I see “David” is one of those cranky Soviet style anti-Zionists and a would-be “Marxist”.
Nuff said.
January 27, 2010 at 10:34 am
Shlomit
Actually, khartoumi, you have shown no inclination to engage “sensibly” as you put it here, with anyone who might disagree with your highly questionable views.
You set out to offend.
Why bother to engage with such a creature?
January 27, 2010 at 10:36 am
Shlomit
khartoumi “..It must be sad for you to live in a world where people do not say what they mean, do not mean what they say and, even, are people who they say they are not….”
Well khartoumi, you should know…
January 27, 2010 at 10:37 am
Duvid Crockett
Yohoho. Hmm, interesting that the councillor “got beyond himself” and “was not himself.” Could the Paisley glessele mean he was unable fully to enjoy his hairy bacon and cabbage?
January 27, 2010 at 10:38 am
David
Shlomit,
Who have I “set out to offend”? Muslims, Jews, Christians?
And if so, so what?
Comment is free here, right?
And I haven’t claimed to know the Koran better than anyone here – hence my request for you to “clue me in” about this concept of which you know so much about.
On the contrary, I was relying on you to explain this Koranic conept you bandy about so freely. You can do that, I take it?
January 27, 2010 at 10:41 am
David
Shlomit,
On the contrary, I have honestly and forthrightly set down my views. They are there for all who want to see.
The problem seems to be that you would rather cheerlead a pogrom.
Your choice, your choice.
January 27, 2010 at 11:21 am
Irish
Cllr Terry Kelly said…
(Josh Scholar) 26/01/10
Yes I did write that and I now know that there is no point in trying to point out to you that you have misinterpreted my meaning because you and the rest of your mob from Harry’s Place already know that.
“Force them to act as they once did”
When I used that phrase I meant act with the same heroic dignity and bravery which has characterised the Jewish people’s historic struggle against injustice.
Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:37:00 AM
The above from Kelly’s site today.
I had never heard of this man before – how influential is he? The original statement he is defending – or trying to rewrite- is singularly offensive .
He is now getting more hits to his site than ever before. The publicity he received is making him ‘famous’ – so he claims. Certainly more people are reading his blog.
The Guardian has removed all comments in his name ; he claims he was impersonated in the Scotsman on an earlier occasion. Is this part of a political campaign to smear him or, possibly, to give wider publicity to his views.?
I.m finding it difficult to comment as I have lost all understanding of where this thread is going. What on earth is ‘hairy bacon?’
Leni
January 27, 2010 at 11:28 am
Abandon hope
SarahLeah
Khartoumi utterly deserving of Berchmans (pbuh)
This is such a compliment to Berchy . He can be funny ..wonderfully funny and because he studied anti Discrimination (whereas the rest here ffaff about pretending to seek out bias when they havent the faintest understanding of it).. he can deal with detractors by the busload….but Khartoumi is a genius …a huge intellect and if David is indeed he… batten down the hatches and call in some help.
January 27, 2010 at 11:42 am
juliantheprostate
David, very interesting. I don’t know anything about Bundism. I would agree that most Jews are assimilationist in the sense that they would wish to play a part in the society they find themselves in as members of that society rather than as Jews, but not necessarily rejecting their membership of the Jewish people. The holocaust will have changed the minds of many Jewish people as to the validity of Zionism.
Duvid, it’s not orthographical or prostate difficulties , it’s eyesight and the difficulties I have because keyboards aren’t made for people with fat fingers. Which is one reason why I find using computers a chore and a bore and view the machine strictly as a very useful and wonderful tool..
January 27, 2010 at 11:43 am
Abandon hope
peter1
“There is an uncomfortable truth about anti-semitism that people just cannot and will not admit and it does go to the heart of the posts that gum up the guardian and are beginning to gum up CiF Watch as well”
O villainy! Ho! Let the door be locked. Treachery! Seek it out.
Peter ..you are being a little clumsy here brother. You should not start a campaign to cast out the evil ones.Whilst it may perplex many that the moderation policy of CIFwatch has become strangely libertarian.. it has succeeded in creating a little balance. It is a far far better blog than it was.
January 27, 2010 at 12:09 pm
modernityblog
Indeed Shlomit,
I would assume that “David” is intellectually challenged, as anyone with an ounce of political sense would see what the BNP are up to?
But apparently “David” can’t?
So much for his alleged powers of dialectical materialism!
January 27, 2010 at 1:19 pm
HairShirt
You know what, khartoumi, you set out to offend when you put fingers to keyboard. Oh, you smokescreen verbiage but you actually say nothing worth listening to because, being khartoumi, you know very little and your ignoble reputation precedes you.
And it’s plain that you are confused and perhaps like Councillor Kelly, you don’t know who you really are. “Comment is Free” is the other site – you know, the one which banned you for threatening one of its intelligent writers who just happened to be Israeli, and kept on banning you until you slunk away in shame.
And your friend Berchmans, in his drooling over you, has just underlined that you are who I know you are.
I think that CiF Watch is patiently waiting until Berchmans blethers
himself out. Keep on keeping on Dopey. It adds to the number of hits to the blog and the more you post the sillier you look.
January 27, 2010 at 1:27 pm
pretzelberg
Yohoho
Kelly “got beyond himself” for some reason or other …
Well, I would certainly be interesting to hear him try and explain his way out of that one.
Oh, hang on …
http://councillorterrykelly.blogspot.com/
“ZIONISTS HAVE THEIR OWN DENIERS AS WELL … What would these cowards have been like in the Warsaw Ghetto if they can’t face me? … Zionism is an evil creed … “
The phrase “ad nauseam” springs to mind.
Hmmm …. not much explaining needed there, I’m afraid.
January 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm
exiledlondoner
Why don’t you invite Counciller Kelly to contribute an article?
He might just be mad and self-confident enough to agree…..
No photos though.
January 27, 2010 at 1:48 pm
HairShirt
irish, “Is this part of a political campaign to smear him or, possibly, to give wider publicity to his views.? ”
From what Medusa writes above, Kelly’s past behaviour may well cause him to be seen to be a liability to the Labour Party on his local council. He’s already been disciplined there for his behaviour.
I don’t know how difficult it is to deselect a Councillor but for him to say he is the object of a smear campaign seems more like paranoia than anything else, given that, according to him it just keeps on happening to him and to his family. I wonder whether it happens every time someone tries to boot him off his local council?
Whoever is or are smearing him are either not very good at it, or they don’t exist except in his head. I wouldn’t like to swear either that he has the intelligence to use this as a ploy to give wider publicity to his views.
It seems to me that, were it not for the disclaimer on his blog that his benighted opinions are his own and do not represent those of his party, then he would have got the order of the boot from his local Labour party long ago. He must be seen as a liability to them, particularly in the coming elections, and this “I woz framed” malarkey is his attempt to stave off the inevitable.
January 27, 2010 at 1:54 pm
Irish
Hello Pretzel
Cllr, Kelly should engage brain etc.
// When I used that phrase I meant act with the same heroic dignity and bravery which has characterised the Jewish people’s historic struggle against injustice.
Wednesday, January 27, 2010 11:37:00 AM//
Attempt (above) to explain himself is as offensive as his original ” Force them to act as they once did” remark.
His ‘explanation suggests the Jews should accept with ‘ heroic dignity’ attempts – then and now – to herd them to their destruction.
I do wonder if giving him – and other obnoxious racist bloggers publicity here is a good thing.
Racist blogs which vilify Muslims or minority groups rely upon the interconnections between blogs to help them spread their messages of hate. Why help them?
Leni
January 27, 2010 at 2:04 pm
canadaneil
What an unpleasant man!
More disturbing are the undercurrents of anti-semitism in responses to articles on Holocaust memorial day. They go something like this:
“Jews should stop whining”, “Many more non-jews died than jews in the 2nd world war”, “Israelis use the holocaust to close down debate” etc etc. How depressing
January 27, 2010 at 2:05 pm
Irish
Hairshirt
The selection/deselection of council candidates is a matter for the local party branch – unless Kelly is formally thrown out of the Labour Party by the higher echelons.
If he is reselected for next election as the Labour candidate it will give some indication of the ammount of support he has.
Leni
January 27, 2010 at 2:07 pm
HairShirt
Thanks Irish. Something tells me I won’t be too interested in following that too closely unless Kelly rears his head again.
January 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Irish
Exiled
Cllr, K might just be arrogant enough to contribute. I don’t think I would care to engage with him though.
Blind prejudice is difficult to counter if you want to stay on the right side of rationality.
Leni
January 27, 2010 at 2:22 pm
Mitnaged
Canadaneil, that is nothing new, is it, depressing though it may be?
Am still teased by what causes such a man as Kelly to disintegrate. Has he no good friends who can bring home to him how he comes across to others?
He writes stream of consciousness rubbish which seems to have bypassed the internal censor. They are hate-filled and cringemaking. I am almost feeling sorry for him – it must be awful to be him, beset by his demons, real or imaginary.
However, what he writes is out there. He is obviously influenced by the same hate filled and one-sided codswallop which is spoonfed to Israel haters elsewhere in the blogosphere, which he swallows whole and unthinkingly as they do, and regurgitates it back as though it has gravitas. And he is often antisemitic too, without apparently realising it.
I guess he didn’t have anti-discrimination training
January 27, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Abandon hope
modernityblog
“”“David” .. anyone with an ounce of political sense would see what the BNP are up to? But apparently “David” can’t?”"
And yet there have been no articles on CIFwatch about the BNP as far as I know. CIFwatch prefers to have a go at the comfy cardigan wearers . You would think a blog battling against anti Semitism might wish to take on the real anti Semites.
January 27, 2010 at 2:29 pm
Ruth
Renfrewshire, on the outskirts of Glasgow is home to Scotland’s largest Jewish population. One of the synagogues there has been attacked and daubed with swastikas and surprise, surprise ‘hizbollah’. It’s not a great leap to imagine that the same people who attack synagogues would also seek to harrass, intimidate or even attack individual Jews.
How would Councillor Kelly respond to a constituent who approached him for help following such harrassment, given thathe thinks that they should be ashamed of Israel and should be forced to act as they once did under the Nazis?
From what I can gather about him he has been reselected by his local branch three times, presumably because no one else put their name forward. It is not good enough to dismiss this because he’s an obscure councillor and an obvious idiot. Would the Labour party be so relaxed at one of their councillors calling for say, Africans to be forced to act as they once did under apartheid or slavery because they were annoyed by events in the Congo?
Looking at his blog he has been making poisonous statements about Israel since 2006 and more worryingly repeatedly saying that Jews – all Jews should be ashamed.That this has not being dealt with by the Labour Party either locally or nationally, should lead to very serious concerns about what Labour consider acceptable and to me, hint at a tolerance of antisemitism. At best this is because they don’t think it’s important, at worst it’s because such views enjoy wider support within the party.
January 27, 2010 at 2:36 pm
Shlomit
Funny Berchmans, I never had you down as a comfy cardy man.
Pink mules maybe and a quilted pink dressing gown…
January 27, 2010 at 2:37 pm
Abandon hope
HairShirt
.
“And your friend Berchmans, in his drooling over you, has just underlined that you are who I know you are. ”
Although Khartoumi is indeed a friend of Berchies..ol’ Berch is as much intrigued as you are. You will know if it is Khartoumi . If you ” grasp rags of torn light in your hands” and get gubbed at different levels then indeed it is he.
January 27, 2010 at 2:45 pm
Abandon hope
Shlomit
” I never had you down as a comfy cardy man.”
I keep mentioning the BNP …who are standing in Glasgow this election ..racists , anti Semites and feckin Nazis and the clowns here choose to attack the soft option…. CIF ..for fecks sake.
How has it come to this? The jackboots are being tried on for size and this blog is going after the sandle wearers.
…
January 27, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Shlomit
So much for a certain person’s statement once that there was no antisemitism in Scotland and, rather than live in Israel, Jews should go and live there.
Ruth your question is almost a rhetorical one. Kelly would never be able to empathise with how that felt, would he, and depending on whether he was having a good day, I suspect, he would either lie through his teeth or duck the complaint.
In your final paragraph you made an interesting allusion to the Labour Party failing to take antisemitism seriously (I believe that antisemitism is ignored to a great extent by the Labour Party because they don’t have the first clue about how to deal with it and is therefore tolerated by default so to speak).
This ignorance about what antisemitism is, and what constitutes it, can also be laid at the door of the media and, yes, of blogs like CiF. I have read Medusa’s article on “Lies, Big Lies and Comment is Free” which I think sets out very well how anti-Israel rhetoric is allowed to shade into antisemitism without any apparent awareness, and so often that it becomes acceptable because otherwise sentient people are inured to it. In such a climate we get the sort of nastiness described in canadaneil’s post above, which is spewed out without a second thought.
January 27, 2010 at 2:53 pm
Shlomit
Eventually the left shades into the right, particularly in its attitude to Israel and Jews so get onto CiF, pink mule Berchmans.
Go after them. If that is you have the courage.
January 27, 2010 at 2:57 pm
BerchmansNemesis
Berchmans, why on earth should this blog go after the BNP? It has been set up to monitor Comment is Free, which has to be the most anti-Israel bordering on and actually being antisemitic British newspaper blog and it has its hands full with that.
You are of the Left aren’t you?
Show some backbone. Get your backside in gear and YOU do it!
January 27, 2010 at 3:07 pm
Serendipity
Ruth – “.. It is not good enough to dismiss this because he’s an obscure councillor and an obvious idiot …”
No it isn’t. The German people did that with Hitler.
“… Would the Labour party be so relaxed at one of their councillors calling for say, Africans to be forced to act as they once did under apartheid or slavery because they were annoyed by events in the Congo?”
No, but Africans are not Jews and, I very much agree with Shlomit above that it’s become acceptable in general to slag off Israel, and for the Labour Party to try to get votes by slagging off Israel, apparently impervious to the green light that gives for antisemitism, and then to blame that antisemitism (when it takes it seriously) on something else entirely.
Most worrying is the government’s apparent lack of insight that it is actually doing that.
We see that echoed in some of the contributions to this page.
January 27, 2010 at 3:09 pm
peter1
David,
I can fully understand you making the claim that:
“There is not a single poster on here capable of engaging in a genuine, rationale, theoretical and political debate on Zionism or, at least, if there is they hide this behind hyperbole, argument by assertion, and blatant falsehoods.”
It is typical of the mental masturbation that you find so endearing.
This site is about pointing out anti-semitism, more precisely the “nice” anti-semitism, the “polite” anti-semitism engaged in by the guardian and their various hangers-on, some of whom are drawn to this site.
Your illusory statement are devoid of fact, you touch on subjects with a knowing smile and assume people don’t know anything about the topic.
Why would I be inclined to point out that Zionists succeeded in fooling Germany into releasing and saving 70,000 Jews with haavara, why would I cringe about Lehi turning to nazi germany at a point in time when the British were the enemy, enacting such racist laws as refusing entry to Jews into Palestine, setting such impossible conditions of requiring Jewish refugees to have 1,000 Pounds per person as an “entry fee”, knowing full well that Germany wasn’t allowing them to leave with anything.
Why would I want to discuss any of this davka here at this site.
Maybe we should discuss whether Fred Astaire or Gene Kelly was a better dancer, Beatles/Stones, was it Simon or Garfunkel, Madonna or Lady Gaga,
which is the truer form of Islam Shia or Sunni?
Protesants or Catholics?
Anti-semitism is the topic, try sticking to it.
January 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Jonny Moses
Councillor Kelly, like all rabid anti-Zionists believes he has a monopoly on morality and that it revolves around one absolute truth – the diabolical abomination that is the Jewish state of Israel. He is so degraded by his own hatred and bigotry that all reason and reality become nonsense, including his very name: Terry Kelly, which doesn’t actually exist, if it suits an anti-Zionist agenda. Don’t the surprised though, if it turns out this magic trick is the work of Zionists trying to blacken the good name of the ‘real’ Mr Kelly, who can vouch that the Zionists are to blame for everything, including his own stupidity.
January 27, 2010 at 3:15 pm
Duvid Crockett
Leni. Duvidl is so surprised you have not tasted hairy bacon. Irish friends tell Duvid that, although not kosher, it is delicious and often makes up Irish stew (in the name of the law.) Shouldn’t think the councillor gets any of it, though, where he is (in life’s tapestry.)
Juliantheprostate. Duvidl is very glad you have cured the fat finger syndrome, which is prompting your spelling difficulties, but is still concerned about your prostate gland. Duvid believes there is an operation for it, but it sounds very painful. An Irish myth or legend does suggest regular hairy bacon meals could alleviate symptoms.
January 27, 2010 at 4:22 pm
pretzelberg
It is sadly astonishing to see the range of comments this man has made.
(and does it matter exactly on which website his comments have been displayed?)
In addition to the shocking ones mentioned by various people above, I see Leni has picked out yet another lowlight.
“Don’t buy Israeli goods … shun them for the vile racists they are … Force them to act as they once did; when their treatment under the Nazis won them the respect and affection of most of the world”
It’s not just the “Force them to act …” bit – it’s the way ths comment “evolves” (i.e. backwards into the primeval swamp) from a) first calling for the sanctions to b) the reference to all Israelis (i.e. Israeli Jews) as racists to c) that concluding puke.
Being a German speaker in Berlin, when I read “treatment” (of the Jews) in this context the word Sonderbehandlung starts flashing in my mind.
(not that the English term either has left anyone in two minds)
January 27, 2010 at 4:35 pm
pretzelberg
Labour councillor who branded the Queen a ‘sectarian racist’ faces censure
http://scotlandonsunday.scotsman.com/scottishlabourparty/Labour-councillor-who-branded-the.4606808.jp
Make of that what you will …
January 27, 2010 at 4:44 pm
Jonny Moses
Pretzleberg, sonderbehandlung would translate as ‘special treatment’, but as Cllr Kelly is ‘special’ in his own right when it comes diatribes against the Jews – yeah, I know – Zionists, we can probably grant him artistic licence in his rough translation of this Nazi euphemism.
January 27, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Ruth
@Serendipity,
Thanks for your response. i have my doubts about whether this will do any good but it was the most constructive course of action I could think of to take in the short term but I have written to my own MP, MSP & Regional MSPs, the Renfrewshire MP’s and MSP’s, the leader of the Renfrewshire Labour group and the leader of the Scottish Labour Party.
I have highlighted what I consider the two most offensive quotes the “force them” and the “blot on Jews everywhere” and stated that I consider them to be an incitement of hatred against the Jewish people. I have also called attention to the barrage of hateful comment on his blog since 2006 with regard to Israel in particular his wish that it didn’t exist/ would cease to exist.
I doubt this will do any good but as with anything else if Labour begin to see that tolerating these attitudes is causing real anger, bringing them into disrepute, feeding antisemitism and risks losing them votes they might eventually get round to taking action to address the antisemitism within their ranks.
January 27, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Serendipity
peter1 “David”/khartoumi is incapable of sticking to any point and arguing like a grown up unless he thinks he can win. Where he doesn’t and can’t he resorts to childish type and personalised insults and other nastiness.
January 27, 2010 at 5:57 pm
Serendipity
Ruth, so far as I am concerned, Labour has already fallen into disrepute in this regard. Our local Labour MP is a good bloke but I have told him that I will not vote Labour again unless I can see evidence that they plan to act against anti-Jewish racism instead of bending themselves out of shape to try to “understand” the main perpetrators of it and making it clear that such behaviour will not be tolerated.
I am a Brit but I am not proud of this aspect of the UK, which allows hate speech to be posted on Israel-hating blogs which calls for Jews to be killed but will do nothing about the offence it causes, which it deems to be “free speech” (and for that you may read “fair comment”).
This country is used to antisemitism. It has become acceptable as it was in pre-WW2 Germany.
January 27, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Mitnaged
Reza Khan, thank you for your reply.
“..Is Kelly really so arrogant (and even evil) as to think an entire people would allow itself to be butchered (again) just to satisfy his personal, twisted image of them?..”
I believe he’s certainly arrogant but not necessarily evil. I have come to the conclusion that he is not very bright and has allowed himself to be carried away by his own rhetoric. That rhetoric has got him the attention, even negative attention, he craves.
I have written elsewhere that hatred can be like a drug to certain people, who feel alive only when they are consumed with it. I made the analogy first in relation to CiF (and I think we are being pestered by Guardianistas here because they have no-one to scrap with on CiF or are bored and feel “dead” inside).
We see Kelly’s narcissism (which is a defence against feeling empty) in almost everything he writes. He cannot distinguish between the negative attention he is getting and that most people think he’s a complete idiot – all he feels is the buzz because he is getting attention which feeds him and distracts him from those empty feelings.
He’s a poor wretch, but a dangerous one because, as we see from some of the rubbish posted on CiF, they, too are always looking for things to feed their own hatred.
January 27, 2010 at 6:36 pm
pretzelberg
@ Jonny Moses
My point was: I imagine there are a lot of people out there in the English-speaking world who may not be aware of the very specific associations of “treatment” within this context.
And yes, I could also well imagine certain ijits making pathetic attempts at “explaining” or “contextualising” the comment.
January 27, 2010 at 7:05 pm
PeterParker
You would think a blog battling against anti Semitism might wish to take on the real anti Semites.
C’mon Birchy me old mucjker.
Everybody knows that the Far Left are just as racist, bigoted and anti-semitic as the Far Right. They might be able to hide befind more of an intellectual argument, but they can’t fool those on the right hand side of the bell curve.
Live long and say NO to racism and antisemitism of all forms – not just that spewed out by the Far Right.
January 27, 2010 at 9:46 pm
Irish
Hello PeterP
Racial hatred has no politics. Hatred is apolitical. The implementation of racial politicies may, at first glance, appear to be of the R or the L but this is illusory. It is also true that for the victims a L or R wing orientation of the oppressor matters little.
Hatred is not the preserve of the mentally unstable or the personality disordered – it is found in the religious and the atheist, among men and women and even among children. Sometimes it is learned through example and indocrination, sometimes from projecting the bad behaviour of one onto the whole group from which they come. Who decides the identifying group – do haters choose by ‘race’ , colour, religion or nationality?
Hatred can persist for generations – ‘they’ did such and such to ‘us’ 500 years ago so my child you must hate them. The oppressed hate their oppressors – resent them and will seek to overthrow them. Examples are freely available.
Anti-semitism has deep roots. Each time the top growth is destroyed new shoots appear. Cllr, K and all of his type have a ready to hand instrument – like so many he does not hestitate to use it. The BNP have found that anti Muslim sentiment can be employed in the same way to advance their political agenda,
The I/P conflict is used by racists as a platform to launch attacks against both Israel and Palestine. The hatred they express is identical – their target is different. Not all political manipulators feel this hatred themselves – they simply exploit it in others. Many claim to see it where none exists and use it to raise fear levels,. They all keep the pot boiling.
You are right. Racism from any quarter should be opposed. We have to unite against it and prevent racist bigots coming to power. It is a difficult task – racism is emotionally based – felt by some at a visceral level – countering it by reason is nigh on impossible. We can try only to deprive it of political and controlling power.
In the case of a member of a political party – irrespective of any disclaimer – racists who preach hatred should be slung out, deprived of any legitimacy to say nothing of financial and party support. In the case of Cllr.K it seems that the Labour party would rather have one more councillor representing them than take the moral step of expelling him . Such is the nature of politics – seats count. Labour are not alone in this.
Leni
January 27, 2010 at 11:50 pm
Abandon hope
BerchmansNemesis
, why on earth should this blog go after the BNP? It has been set up to monitor Comment is Free,
You are right. Sorry I mentioned it. Go for a few guys that still wear chords and let the shop windows get broken.
PeterParker
“Everybody knows that the Far Left are just as racist, bigoted and anti-semitic as the Far Right. ”
This mindset has emerged since the far left began to criticise Israel. The use of the word “anti Semitic” is a winner there is no mirror image.
“Muslim hater” just doesnt do it . The word ” balloon ” is the nearest I can think of.
January 28, 2010 at 12:25 am
ArabellaMeller
Berchmans
“Everybody knows that the Far Left are just as racist, bigoted and anti-semitic as the Far Right. ”
This mindset has emerged since the far left began to criticise Israel.
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This mindset has emerged ever since the far left began to be racist bigoted and antisemitic or do you think that people like Galloway were invented by Israel to smear the far left?
January 28, 2010 at 7:13 am
Dopey'sNemesis
What on earth are you blethering about now, cords and sandals?
Are you on something?
ArabellerMeller, good post.