It seems Hill has, at least for now, retreated to lick his wounds. No doubt he’ll back for another round, before long, however, since his ego and prejudice seem to know no bounds.

In my view, the guy is thoroughly mendacious. Like so many who pose as nothing but beacons of light in the struggle for universal human rights and the application of International Law, in actual fact he supports neither with regard to the Jews of Israel.

I suggest he goes away to think hard about how to reconcile his notion of preserving Israel’s right to exist within secure boarders with the endemic Islamic fanaticism which informs the actions of Hamas, Hizbollah, Iran and even Fatah vis a vis Israel, and their coopting of what has for far too long been a general Arab mantle of pushing the Jews into the sea. If he can do that, he should come back for some honest discussion based on these ideas….If not, he should stay away and contemplate the nature of his bigotry and its implication for those in the Middle East he claims to support.

Steve Hill, it’s back to work for you if Tony Blair decides to sue you.

Tony Blair is very high maintenance

Really, I am? thats news to me.

Any other porkies you want to tell?

Hear, hear!

And, of course, Cifwatch isn’t the Grauniad’s totalitarian virtual state either.

That’s why I think CiF Watch is feared by bigots, biased moderators, sloppy journalists, lazy editors, complacent management and those who find it difficult to defend their own views with reason or evidence. That’s a lot of people.

Very true.

And if Georgina and Matt and Brian and Alan and his sibling and Victoria thought that CIFWatch was a ‘temporary aberration’, they were strongly mistaken. I spend just as much time here as I do near the CI(F) cesspool.

A lot of the arguments that you hear on the Middle East, and in particular related to Israel, are essentially the words of others, or half cribbed from Wiki (as with the Jerry Greenstock remark), which is why those people find it hard to defend their own arguments. Because they don’t know or understand the reasoning behind them.

More often than not they can’t substantiate their arguments because they are mostly recycling the slogans and thoughts of others, and not thinking for themselves.

Thus, when someone, like Mr. Hill, spouts that nonsense about Hamas on CiF he’s not going to be picked up on it too much, and if he were he might simply ignore any counter arguments.

Such an approach is harder on CiF Watch, where there is an immediacy to debate here and he can’t easily duck the issues without looking shifty, insincere and not very well informed, as he has done here in these exchanges.

The ill informed views of an Englishman spouting off about the Middle East in an authoritative tone might work on CiF, but it doesn’t work on CiF Watch where there is considerable expertise and sharper minds.

That’s why I think CiF Watch is feared by bigots, biased moderators, sloppy journalists, lazy editors, complacent management and those who find it difficult to defend their own views with reason or evidence. That’s a lot of people

cityca, it is well on the way to becoming that, hence the “contributions” from the Guardianistas themselves.

If CifWatch was of little or no account, then why would they bother?

Its clear that the quality and openness of the debate here is preferred by these refugees from CiF – not only the “banned”, but those who then flip back to grind their teeth on CiF and come up with alternative names for CiFWatch since the comments they make there that actually use the dreaded term “CiFWatch” are immediately deleted.

The democratic Internet in action.

We will, I am sure, one day have a comment or two from just about every Israel-basher on CiF (and maybe even some of the staff) who have watched a comment mildly critical of the GWV vanish into the ether.

Frankly, Steve Hill should be grateful that he has the opportunity to express his views so openly here – he may not get the same chance of CiF.

If CifWatch was of little or no account, then why would they bother?

Because this is a much deeper problem, old chap. You may be an expert on the Irish problem, but when it comes to the Arab-Israel conflict, you are a hopelessly naive. Israel has been willing to make peace all along, but the Arabs have not. As for the people of Gaza, they should ask the Egyptians or the Arab League for help. They already receive generous funds from UNRWA.

After reading an assortment of the comments here on CIFWatch, I suggest that you go back into your shell and never ever come here again.

‘Your sort’ will be picked apart using your previous comments on CI(F).

Except for DottyPotty, I don’t see any of the ‘Hate Israel’ crowd coming to assist you either. What’s called ‘fair weather’ friends.

Go away.

Back to your trough at CI(F).