Comments on: Guardian Ed: “In Israel They Murder Each Other a Great Deal”

By: aharon tamuz

aharon tamuz — Sun, 27 Dec 2009 00:45:46 +0000

we have been used already to anti-semitic slanders and pro-islamo-terroristic halleluyas in al-guardian, so there is nothing new in the growling of this anti-semitic pig except for his high standing in his paper. it is also possible that this pig was still fully soaked in alcohol from the previous night and didn’t have the necessary control over the anti-semitic excrements coming out of his jaws.

By: Bialik

Bialik — Sun, 20 Dec 2009 16:47:26 +0000

Fair to both: start with a written complaint to the editor. Bullying is rife in newsrooms but journalists should be reminded that their readers are not to be bullied.

By: Adam

Adam — Thu, 17 Dec 2009 17:09:30 +0000

There’s a good case for bringing malicious falsehood suit against the Guardian.

By: Israelinurse

Israelinurse — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 22:08:29 +0000

fair2 both – have you thought of complaining to the Press Complaints Commission?

By: Fairplay

Fairplay — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:45:33 +0000

In retrospect, the off-the-cuff comments on BBC Radio London ( hardly an intellectual heavyweight radio station ) deserve to be treated with scorn.
Of course the BBC is awash with anti-Israel prejudice, but you’re not going to change attitudes overnight. I’d save my anger for the Beeb rather than a pseudo-intellectual rag not fit to wrap fish-n-chips in.

I remember a time, a very long time ago. How long? Oh, about 35 years ago ( thirty-five years ) and Radio London had “You don’t have to be Jewish” presented by Michael Freedland. But now, (o tempora, o mores!) you have his son, also a journalist, writing crappy articles for the Grauniad.
Talking of father and son acts, is it possible that Ben White really is Michael White’s offspring?

By: Israelinurse

Israelinurse — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:26:35 +0000

fair2both – That is just awful. What a disgusting way to relate to a member the public and what a blatant display of the Guardian attitude. I’m very sorry you had to experience that.

By: fair2both

fair2both — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 21:05:28 +0000

I telephoned the Guardian to complain and after explaining the facts carefully was told that ‘the Guardian isn’t interested in an organised campaign by a bunch of Zionists against one of its journalists’ and ‘if you don’t like that why don’t get back to Israel?’.

I gave him a piece of my mind but I soon realised he’d put me on speakerphone so the rest of his office could laugh and jeer. Eventually I just slammed down the phone but I swear I’ll never read that newspaper ever again.

By: Margie

Margie — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 19:19:35 +0000

Yohoho: This is yet another example of the growing acceptability of Israel-bashing discourse in our media. It is equally obvious that this is the level of discussion about Israel acceptable among members of staff at the Guardian

By: Yohoho

Yohoho — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:40:44 +0000

You know, Leni, time out can often be a good antidote to feeling bored.

Fairplay, I am made more uneasy by the Beeb’s apparent lack of insight into the slanderous nature of what White was allowed to say unchallenged. (Like Tom Wonacott, I am not in the least surprised that White said it – he does work at the Guardian after all).

This is yet another example of the growing acceptability of Israel-bashing discourse in our media.

By: FoolMeOnce

FoolMeOnce — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:42:22 +0000

JerusalemMite

The object of a law suit should not be PR. It should be to deter other media persons and remind them that there are consequences to their slander, and that free speech has its limits. Even though in places like Britain and North Europe they seem to think it’s the new God, and nothing should interfere with the holies of holy- freedom of speech. (Unless it’s about any Moslem prophet.)

Even if PR turns out negatively for a high profile law suit, I think the impact would eventually be beneficial.

P.S. You’re right about lawyers though…

By: Fairplay

Fairplay — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 08:27:26 +0000

What’s a little surprising about White’s clumsy and offensive comments is that he made them immediately after saying nice things about Northern Ireland, namely that even those formerly bad Catholics and Protestants could now work together in one Government.

To begin to undo the pernicious results of years of anti-Israel propaganda in the Guardian ( in which his spiritual son, Ben White, was raised ) one would first have to go back to the anti-Jewish passages in the Gospels and the climate of anti-Jewish and xenophobic prejudice which still pervades the British media in these supposedly enlightened and post-Christian times.

One would also have to ask oneself why so many journalists of White’s ilk, coming from a non-English minority background ( I’m guessing Scottish or Irish ) have such an inferiority complex that they attempt to displace it by focalising on another ethnic minority that has often succeeded far too well. British journalists are not famous for their academic achievements. Need I say more?

By: slanderingdIDF

slanderingdIDF — Wed, 16 Dec 2009 00:42:49 +0000

Writing to the Guardian,and the BBC,is pointless,nothing will be done about it,they will just laugh it off.Lighting a fire under their butts would be a better idea.
WE need to complain to the UK Parliament,or any other body that keeps check on these people.

It’s the IDF that NEEDS to take immediate action,it was the IDF that was slandered.

By: Yechiel W

Yechiel W — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 23:19:26 +0000

Dear Leni

I asked specifically about condemning racist abuse and your rather selective attitude.

If you did not like me bringing that up – fair enough.

Regarding you being bored with the subject, I seem to remember reading posts where you did bring her up – though since then you do not seem quite as comfortable.

This exchange really does seem quite pointless, and I am happy to leave it here now that your position is very very clear.

By: TomWonacott

TomWonacott — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:42:00 +0000

Somehow, this doesn’t seem that surprising considering who said it. Yet, having come from the outside just a few months ago, I am still amazed at how blatant the bias is against Israel at the Guardian……..OK, I no longer am.

By: Irish

Irish — Tue, 15 Dec 2009 22:12:43 +0000

Yechiel

Nothing to do with self pity – more to do with being bored by unwarranted personal comments being thrown around.

I have said repeatedly that I will not engage in discussing the La Rit thing again – I said what I think on a very early thread here and see no good purpose in raising it again.

Leni