A European Variation on the One-State Solution

Now I realise I am no legal scholar, but even to my untrained eyes, its clear where the Palestinians see themselves, and its not in Europe.

You miss the big picture.

The Guardian will leave no stone unturned in its obsessive crusade to see the end of the western liberal democratic Jewish Zionist Israel.

Mind you, I can’t see Shass being overjoyed about joining the EU either.

Europe is without doubt tainted by political interests whether that be placating their large muslim population in an effort to prevent a rerun of the Danish cartoons, or promoting their economic interests with arab and muslim states. It only makes perfect sense.

Who would you rather piss off, the Jews who at worst protest and conduct letter writing campaigns, or the muslims that riot, torch cars and in extreme situations kill those that expose their extreme side for what it is like we saw with Theo Van Gogh.

And of course, who is a more important trade partner, besides the oil. The single Jewish state or the 57 nations of the OIC (Organization of Islamic Conferences).

I had written a piece on Israel, the UN and international politics which can be viewed by clicking my user name.

I think that what is more concerning is the growing mainstream of Americans that are taking this anti-Israel stance. Check out the comments to this piece with the Author of Startup Nation about Israel in the New York Times:
http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/12/04/how-did-israel-become-start-up-nation/

The article is positive enough, but scrolling through the comments it seems that many NYTimes readers believe that Israel is the only country that receives any assistance from the US government, and that its only due to American money that Israel has made anything of itself.

Richard, almost all MPs in the UK parliament are in the position that they have to (or choose to) whore themselves for the Muslim vote. This is antithetical to democracy is it not? For myself, I have told my MP, whom I have known since he was a local councillor, that I shan’t be voting for him again because he seems to want to do that. I said that I feel “disappeared” and consequently unsafe now because I can’t trust this government to act in the best interests of all UK citizens, particularly if it means taking a stand against Islamism. The unfortunate aspect of his losing my vote may well be that Muslims gain an even firmer foothold locally.

I agree with you that it’s easier and less costly in terms of lives and safety to piss of Jews rather than Muslims. The old kacker captured on film mouthing off about Jews will probably not be charged but had he dared to say the same in public about Muslims he would be under police guard by now or in jail because his miserable life would be in danger.

I want to say that it’s time the gloves came off, although I do not advocate violence. Our own representative bodies are worse than useless and even more afraid than is the government.

Strange as it may seem, I am trying not to despair. Sites like this one show that the capability to counter anti-Jewish racism is alive and very well. And if it is working then we should do more of it.

IsraeliNurse The arrogance of the EU (and the USA) thinking that they can tell us how to run our lives more successfully always amazes me. They remind me of the prosyletising Anglicans going on missions to the benighted savages forcing their civilisation and culture on people who were perfectly happy before they arrived. These new missionaries should leave Israel and the Palestinians to sort things out for themselves and not stick their interfering fingers into the pie hoping to sneak out a plum for themselves while it is all going on.

If it is just us and them negotiating perhaps the Palestinians will stop playing to the grandstand and will submit an offer of what they actually want rather than just pouting at our offers and rejecting them while glancing over their shoulder and looking what other goodies they can wheedle out of us.

I don’t know if this is such a bad idea: if Europe wants to make decisions about the status of East Jerusalem, they should FIRST accept Palestine as a full EU member… I would hope very much to then see Hamas in the European parliament, Hanyieh would meet with Rompuy and they would compose Haikus together … And then Baroness Ashton would join them and they could discuss how well the new Sharia punishments in Gaza work… could all be very jolly, no?

Richard “…The question is can organizations participate in free and fair democratic elections, then when elected, change the laws. Or in otherwords, can a democracy dissolve itself…”

There is at least one precedent for that, by another fascist government led by Hitler. He was democratically elected by the German people but once in power swiftly despatched his opposition. The imponderable here is how Hitler’s Nazis, and Hamas, defined “democracy.”

But eventually I grind to a halt when I try to ponder why, when European governments know what happened historically, they choose to be deaf, dumb and blind to the threat of it happening again. Can it be a sort of mass delusion, (and this shower forgets that when they bury their heads in the sand they leave their backsides exposed for a good kicking)? Are they really deluded enough to believe that while Islam targets Jews they will be left unharmed?

Have they adopted the sort of magical thought best abandoned at pre-school age?

AKUS

I think one of the unusual things about this, compared to other immigrations, is that they have brought the problems they had before with them to their new homelands. In previous immigrations, the new immigrants wanted to be absorbed into the new society they had joined, and by and large left the old antagonisms behind. Specially in the USA, you can see, let’s say, a Pole, German, and French descendant working together peacefully, no longer refighting what happened in 1939 – 1945. Not so easy with the Moslems, fixated on 1948.

I suspect that most of the Muslim immigrants would have preferred to leave behind that baggage that they had from the ‘old country’ but you neglect to mention the efforts of Saudia Arabia to bring all ‘errant Muslims’ under the umbrella of Wahabbism.

I feel that the Saudi Royal family has a tiger by the tail and at some point. Whabism will consume them.

AKUS, good points, particularly about their being trained to perceive themselves to be part of a bigger umma. This is fertile ground for Muslim head mess generally, and of which Islamists take advantage.

We should ask ourselves what keeps such Muslims from considering themselves to be part of the wider community in which they find themselves. Discrimination, real or imagined, has to be a tiny proportion of what holds them back. No, I believe that it is the Islamic injunction to keep themselves apart from and not to trust kufar who they are constantly told will betray them, and pressure from their self-designated leadership not to participate fully in government unless they can turn their influence to the betterment of Muslims first.

The exaggerated sense of grievance and sense of entitlement stem from and feed into the experience of and sometimes the acting out of narcissistic rage, narcissism being the overcompensation from the lived experience of being treated as inferior. This often is as a result of a primal wound and maltreatment in childhood.

Psychologically, I believe that such Muslims are conflicted because they are enjoined to keep themselves separate from the societies and yet they demand to be privileged by those same societies which seldom happens. This conflict is acted out because wider society’s refusal to gratify Muslim narcissism results in narcissistic rage.

Rigid and authoritarian, Islam is not comfortable with the sort of experimentation which comes about as a result of overtures to and from the wider community. It perceives any deviation as threatening and, because Muslims are discouraged from the sort of critical thinking which allows them to reality test experiences which make them nervous, and are enjoined never to trust kufar who they are told will betray them, they relate to the outside world defensively and from a paranoid position. For this they pay an enormous psychological price. Easier by far for them, therefore, to demand that wider society changes in order to accommodate them.

Margie, according to the anti Israeli Daily Haaretz there seems to be frantic movement from the PA in trying to get this Swedish proposal passed.

In meetings on Thursday in Ramallah and East Jerusalem, Fayyad asked European diplomats to support the Swedish resolution in its present form.

In an interview with the Saudi daily Al Watan, Palestinian Foreign Minister Riad Malki said the PA was working to get the Arab states to pressure the European countries to accept the Swedish resolution. He said such a resolution was another step on the way to a United Nations Security Council resolution outlining the borders of the Palestinian state based on the pre-1967 borders.

Malki told Al Watan that he has spoken with European foreign ministers about adopting the Swedish proposal as it stands, and that Arab foreign ministers were summoning European ambassadors to ask them to transmit messages in support of the Swedish proposal to their capitals. Malki said a major effort was being made to gain the support of French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner.

You have to admire the chutzpah of these people, for 40 years they have sat on the hands and done nothing and now Europe wants to reward their inactions.

Regarding the inexorable growth of the Muslim community in Europe and its commensurate political clout, I was sniffing around the internet the other day and found a report that an estimated 1000 British Muslims have four wives, courtesy of the Blair Government’s concession that polygamous marriages of Muslims will be tolerated here so long as the polygamous unions have taken place outside Britian and in Countries where polygamy is recognised.
These spouses, as far as I understand the matter, are then permitted to bring to the UK their parents as well as siblings under the age of 18.
Normally, within Muslim society, to have four wives concurrently was in practice confined to husbands of at least some financial means. Here, welfare benefits for spouses and children seems to facilitate it, and it might, needless to say, be exploited as a demographic weapon by Islamist fanatics.
It’s also another instance of creeping sharia, and an insult to female equality in this supposedly liberal and secular country.
Bqack in the early Middle Ages, the Ashkenazim of Europe, mindful of the dictum that “the law of the land is the law”, voluntarily discarded the practice of polygamy. Centuries later, Napoleon granted the Jews of France (and by extension to all lands, subsequently, under French sway in Europe), only after satisfying himself of Jewry’s commitment to modernity and fitness for citizenship – the Jews had to assure him that they no longer practised polygamy, as one of the factors he took into consideration.
Yet now, some 200 years after Napoleon’s decision, Europe – Britain at any rate – is allowing a practice in our midst which undermines gender equality, discriminates against non-Muslims, and and threatens to accelerate the already high natural increase in the Muslim population and thus the latter’s dominant role within the public polity.
No mainstream British party seems willing to tackle this issue.
I’m afraid, like Daniel Pipes, that a very bleak future beckons.

Amyisraelchai,

Have you considered joining the BNP?

It’s weird, but, this story appears not in Haaretz at all.

Londoner,

“exiledlondoner, Have you considered that you’re about as welcome on CW as a smelly fart in a crowded lift?”

I have indeed.

You’re not exactly the first to hint at such a thing.

Zkharya,

“Now, now, Londoner. That’s not very hospitable.”

When the natives are hospitable – that’s when I need to worry.