A Gala Performance


This is a guest post from Israelinurse

Last Thursday’s excellent piece by Isi Leibler on CiF elicited a tediously predictable barrage of every type of offensive comment in the book – a veritable Gala Performance of Guadianistas in their element.

First, we have the ‘one-liner’ school of philosophy:

WhattheDormousesaid

26 Nov 2009, 12:47PM

I always knew there was an alrternate universe where black is white and white is black.

Ladies and gentlemen Cif give you that very universe in this article.

ShropsLad

26 Nov 2009, 12:48PM

Israel Phosphorus Gaza Need we say anything more?

Then there’s the ‘chosen people’ trope:

Mach1

26 Nov 2009, 12:52PM

I?m quite happy to engage with moderate Jews with whom a constructive discussion is possible ? but not those from the extreme wing or those who refuse to accept bsimple facts .

Borrowing from Melanie Phillips definition of a moderate Arab:

My own personal litmus test is their attitude to Palestine and the Arabs in general. If they get that one right – that is, if they understand that fundamentally the Palestinians are the victim in the Middle East, that the Palestinians are a benign and unaggressive people and that the Jewish world has been brainwashed into a demented and paranoid hatred of the Arabs – then such people generally also get most other things the right way round too.

Next, the ‘Israel is a racist state’ libel, in all of its various permutations:

backtothepoint

26 Nov 2009, 12:57PM

I don’t even know where to begin. What a tissue of blatant lies!

Demonisation of Israel has become the surrogate for traditional Jew-hatred? The left and many liberals have succeeded in hijacking human rights groups to serve as vehicles to undermine the Jewish state? The automatic majority of Islamic and other radical states guarantees the passage of all anti-Israeli resolutions initiated at the UN? Israel has made more and more concessions over the last decade? Arab citzens in Israel have equal rights? Two Israeli prime ministers offered to cede virtually all of the territories gained in wars initiated by Israel’s enemies seeking to destroy it? The Sharon government unilaterally disengaged from Gaza?

The Minitruth propaganda and rewriting of history goes on. How did this almost surrealistic distortion of reality ever get published?

… most European states nevertheless apply double standards against the Jewish state.

That at least is true. Against the wishes of its people, Europe continues to arm the revolting apartheid State of Israel and fund its theft, massacres and repression with preferential trade agreements, while cynically denouncing, punishing and even militarily attacking States guilty of far lesser crimes.

This article is truly horrible.

PaulLambert

26 Nov 2009, 1:53PM

It’s a simply a truism that Israel, in it’s current form, is a discrimantory state. A state which denies the legal and moral right of return to their homeland for millions of Palestinian Arabs for no other reason than they are Arabs, rather than Jews. They’re being denied their rights on the basis of their ethnicity. How is that *not* discriminatory?

There are other forms of systematic and overt discrimination, like the Citizenship and Entry into Israel Law, which again denies Palestinian Arabs their basic rights based on nithing more than them being the wrong ethnicity.

All this without even getting into the discriminatory practices enforced in the Occupied Territories (settler only roads, house demolitions, Israeli law for settlers, military law for Palestinians, distribution of water resources, etc).

If you’re so concerned about people calling Israel a ‘racist’ or ‘apartheid’ state, why not campaign to bring an end to the laws and practices which give people reason to say this?

Followed by a dose of conspiracy theory:

corrocamino

26 Nov 2009, 2:03PM

My mistake. Zionism has no connection with Wall Street. There is no Jewish Mafia. And there were no Palestinians in Palestine.

And where would we be without the ever-popular ‘Giyus’ conspiracies too?

backtothepoint

26 Nov 2009, 2:25PM

@QuinceTree

And, please tell me you don’t honestly believe that the Israeli government is funding my views!

Now if you’d talked about the Israeli government funding you, I would have said I honestly didn’t know.

But as for your views, the answer is yes. Have you never heard of Hasbara? See the Guardian article below, about Israeli government propaganda on the Internet.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2006/nov/20/mondaymediasection.israel

backtothepoint

26 Nov 2009, 1:34PM

@QuinceTree

And so why does Israel gather so much ire – and yet humanity-loving Guardianistas don’t give two hoots abou the Congo?

I think you’ll find that “Guardianistas” care deeply about the Congo. One of the differences on CIF is that the Congolese government does not fund and orchestrate the mass presentation of official Congolese propaganda on CIF’s pages.

If you feel there are too many comments on this page, why are you posting? Or is it just you feel that anyone opposed to Israel’s criminal policies should not be posting?

Not to mention the ubiquitous ‘double standards’ method:

Gigolo

26 Nov 2009, 2:53PM

“in which demonisation of Israel has become the surrogate for traditional Jew hatred ? just as Jews in the middle ages were blamed for all the ills of mankind, so today the Jewish state is increasingly held responsible for the principal woes facing humanity.”

Really? OK, you go first – which of the principal woes facing humanity is Israel responsible for?
Hunger? Nope, Drought, nope, AIDS, nope…

Such ridiculous hyperbole does nothing to advance your cause.

The truth of the matter is that Israel is held up to rather more rigid scrutiny because it pretends to be a modern democracy, with a social and political environment similar to a modern European state.

That’s why we don’t get too hung up about say the antics in Yemen, beause we know that Yemen is just a glorified shit-hole full of armed bandits and nothing else, so our exectations aren’t too high.

But Israel pretends to be like us, only better. After all, God told you to kill all those peole, didn’t He, in order to ensure your nation’s racial purity?
So that’s all right, then…

As if all this did not suffice, we were also treated to a bit of celeb glitter in the form of none other than the newly re-vamped moderate himself:

Inayat

26 Nov 2009, 1:01PM

Contributor

*Liebler: ‘It is in this context that Israel remains the only country in the world whose very right to exist is challenged.’*

No, that would be Palestine.

No amount of star quality, however, is a match for the ever impressive, infinitely patient and delightfully precise Petra MB :

PetraMB

26 Nov 2009, 3:29PM

Contributor

Inayat got close to 100 endorsements for asserting that it is not Israel’s right to exist that is being challenged, but Palestine’s.

In 1947, the Palestinians were offered a state. They turned it down, because they thought that by refusing their state, they could also deny Israel’s right to exist. Accordingly, from 1948-1967, nobody talked about establishing a Palestinian state, even though the Westbank and Gaza were not occupied by Israel. The PLO was established in 1964, the territory they intended to “liberate” was Israel, i.e. they denied Israel’s right to exist. Until today, everybody who supports the so-called one-state solution is denying Israel’s right to exist.

The PLO got around to at least declaring that they accepted a Palestinian state alongside Israel in the late 1980s, i.e. 20 years ago. Not long after that, the Oslo process began, and the idea was that the PA would gradually build up the infrastructure for a Palestinian state. Most of the donor money given for that purpose vanished in Swiss bank accounts, and the only thing that was built up was a large number of armed militias, with more than 20 000 armed members. Serious negotiations for a final status agreement in Camp David and Taba 2000-01 failed when Arafat rejected the proposals; though some 2 years later, he said that this was a mistake:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/jun/22/israel

It took until Salaam Fayyad came into office barely 2 years ago before somebody finally got serious about building the institutional infrastructure for a Palestinian state, though it is by no means clear that this effort enjoys widespread popular support among Palestinians. A year ago, Olmert proposed a Palestinian state on the equivalent of 100 percent of the pre-1967 Westbank-Gaza territory, with East Jerusalem as Palestine’s capital, and a connection between the Westbank and Gaza. Abbas turned it down. Now he seems to regret it:
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1124682.html

So, Inayat, who exactly is denying Palestine’s right to exist?

And every now and then, we have news reports like this one from earlier this year:

February

Hamas spokesman Ismail Radwan reportedly said that the group will not recognize Israel nor meet the condition set by the Quartet, and noted that Clinton’s request was unacceptable to the Palestinians.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1235410738729&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

March

Former Fatah security commander Muhammad Dahlan on Tuesday called on Hamas not to recognize Israel’s right to exist, pointing out that Fatah had never recognized it.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1237114855755&pagename=JPArticle%2FShowFull

June

Recognizing Israel is completely unacceptable.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2009/06/18/hamas_rejects_carter_plea_to_recognize_israel/

September

De facto Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh on Monday evening reiterated Hamas? refusal to recognize Israel

http://www.maannews.net/eng/ViewDetails.aspx?ID=222841

So when people make statements that have no basis in fact, as Inayat did here, it’s kind of hard to see how this qualifies as “oh but it’s just legitimate criticism of Israel”.

It is, of course, entirely to be expected that a writer of Isi Leibler’s calibre should bring the CiF crowd out in force as he manages to shake their world view to the very core. It is probably also of no surprise to regular CiF watchers that the more eloquent the pro-Israel argument above the line, the more virulent the comments below.

But the last word has to go to ImranZeb, who seems to be pondering  the same questions as I when it comes to the mysterious connection between antisemites and bad spelling:

ImranZeb

26 Nov 2009, 2:37PM

Homeboy…

Were you on crack when you wroe this…

That israel is an illegal State which practices apartied & has a human rights record only equal to fascist China;that Palestinioan children ae killed as easily I I just drank taht cup of coffee may be a reason why people have a beef with Israel & your still on the ‘woe is me’ tip

Indeed, one does wonder…

11 comments on “A Gala Performance

  1. Thank you IsraeliNurse

    The Guardian does not deserve Isi Leibler any more than Stormfront does.

    I’m sure Daddy Rusbridger is very proud.

    If any of the journalists he is canning would like to tell CifWatch their story they would I’m sure be most welcome.

  2. What’s great about Petra is the clarity that she spreads on CI(F) threads. Backed up by uncontroversial links to relevant speeches and documentation.

    Not that it has any effect on the ‘usual culprits’.

    How Bungle must hate her.

  3. That was really picking the cherries out of the pie, IsraeliNurse – thank you.

    I agree with you and not for the first time with the mighty JerusalemMite that Petra is a powerhouse. That was a pinpoint exposure of the sad history of the palestinian striving for a homeland (ours).

  4. That’s a good way of putting it: a Gala performance of the assorted Israel-haters and antisemites that are attracted to Cif, expecting to find what they are looking for, and outraged if they get disappointed once in a blue moon. Unfortunately the reactions also show that there is very little chance to have a reasoned debate developing. It’s always the pro-Israel side that is accused of producing “hasbara” slogans, but really, look at the comments of those Israel haters. To imagine that any thought goes into that would make it only more chilling. I wonder if the people who run Cif ever talk about the comments they get in response to a piece like Leibler’s, and what they think about the Cif “community” that posts these comments.

  5. What is actually amusing about the hasbara/GIYUS whiners is that they don’t seem to realise that there are thousands of Jews and non-Jews who are willing to spend their time defending Israel without being recruited and paid by Israel – they just love Israel and are willing to make the effort to defend the country against the endless scurrilous attacks launched against her.

    In other words, its worse than they think. Fortunately.

    On the other hand, the Guardian has to pay people to get them to write the type of article attacking Israel we see almost daily on its web site!!

  6. Mach1 “Borrowing from Melanie Phillips definition of a moderate Arab”

    This is typical antisemitic trope: taking a comment by a pro Israel commentator and using against the Jewish State.

    This is done in stormfront all the time. Unoriginality is the first sign of the Jew-hater!

  7. Israelinurse

    Great job and, especially, a great decision showing a terrific post by Petra. Also, although JerusalemMite is entire correct that no amount of evidence can change the “usual culprits”, some people can be influenced (and armed) by the truth. Those are the ones that matter.

  8. Most of the offensive comments were at least deleted, though.

    I always sensed that corrocamino (a new poster) was a bit dodgy. That comment cited (which was either deleted before I saw it – or I couldn’t be bothered reading the entire thread) confirms the worst. I’ll bear that comment in mind.

    @ AKUS

    Hi there.
    Last year I actually signed up to GIYUS to test the whole megaphone thing. After days/weeks eventually something came through about an LA Times article. Big deal.

    Those who use the “GIYUS attack!” line, I suspect, are under the laughable impression that what goes on on CiF threads makes an iota of difference. Classic armchair “warriors” in a lot of cases.

    Sometimes there does appear to be a “flood” of first-time posters supporting Israel.
    Frankly it’s not something I can get worked up about, and I have marked countless GIYUS-alledging posts for deletion.

  9. pretzelberg, how about corrocamino being a reborn talknic (plus a whole lot of other names he took on)? It seems he was banned repeatedly because he was like a copy-paste machine, forever clogging threads up with long, tedious quotes of whatever it was; so that he has given up, but otherwise, he somehow sounds a bit familiar.

  10. The way that Petra deals with her detractors,she just squashes/drives over them,with a smile on her face.

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