Comments on: Freedman – Derailed by Chutzpah and Ignorance http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/ Fri, 10 Sep 2010 17:49:34 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.com/ By: Fabian from Israel http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6214 Fabian from Israel Mon, 30 Nov 2009 22:15:22 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6214 In fact, the lightrail will have a station at Shuafat refugee camp. Palestinians will use it too. In fact, the lightrail will have a station at Shuafat refugee camp. Palestinians will use it too.

]]> By: HairShirt http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6208 HairShirt Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:10:19 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6208 Margie, I wonder whether the hits have gone down because he's lost his ISM support? So many of the anti-Israel posts on CiF read as if they have been lifted straight out of some sort of ISM propaganda handbook, and are regurgitated by the masses there who haven't bothered about making their views sound as if they themselves have thought them through. Margie, I wonder whether the hits have gone down because he’s lost his ISM support?

So many of the anti-Israel posts on CiF read as if they have been lifted straight out of some sort of ISM propaganda handbook, and are regurgitated by the masses there who haven’t bothered about making their views sound as if they themselves have thought them through.

]]> By: lostsheep http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6181 lostsheep Sun, 29 Nov 2009 23:41:51 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6181 Poor little mamas boy,has lost his way,and attaches himself to any fringe group that will accept him.That even a group like the ISM rejected him says something about this character. Poor little mamas boy,has lost his way,and attaches himself to any fringe group that will accept him.That even a group like the ISM rejected him says something about this character.

]]> By: Margie http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6170 Margie Sun, 29 Nov 2009 16:24:56 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6170 Before cifwatch took up Seth's challenge of boycott he used to get many more comments, children. He generally received more than 200 comments and it was not unknown for his articles to reap bonanzas of over 400 comments. He isn't very popular any more, is he? Before cifwatch took up Seth’s challenge of boycott he used to get many more comments, children. He generally received more than 200 comments and it was not unknown for his articles to reap bonanzas of over 400 comments.

He isn’t very popular any more, is he?

]]> By: JerusalemMite http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6160 JerusalemMite Sun, 29 Nov 2009 15:19:04 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6160 Poor Seth. Only 54 comments. CIFWatch article above 45 comments. Poor Seth. (snigger). Poor Seth.

Only 54 comments.

CIFWatch article above

45 comments.

Poor Seth. (snigger).

]]> By: Israelinurse http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6126 Israelinurse Sun, 29 Nov 2009 11:52:32 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6126 Akus - re. 'follow the money' - me too. Unfortunately, none of the above are either public bodies or registered charities, which as far as I'm aware makes it very difficult, at least in the UK. I don't know what the laws about such things are in the US, but I did find that the PSC had received money from the Ford Foundation. No surprise there of course-they have repeatedly funded a whole load of other anti-Israeli organisations, as is well documented on their website. Akus – re. ‘follow the money’ – me too. Unfortunately, none of the above are either public bodies or registered charities, which as far as I’m aware makes it very difficult, at least in the UK. I don’t know what the laws about such things are in the US, but I did find that the PSC had received money from the Ford Foundation. No surprise there of course-they have repeatedly funded a whole load of other anti-Israeli organisations, as is well documented on their website.

]]> By: Margie http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6117 Margie Sun, 29 Nov 2009 09:51:27 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6117 Thanks for <a href="http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=84069&sectionid=3510302!" rel="nofollow"> the reference </a> armanitoarmy: You would think that Seth as a would-be journalist would have better control of concepts. Discussing the fact that people come from all over the world to join Tsahal, he says <i>"This does leave Israel open to the accusation that it is in fact employing mercenaries - particularly with regards to the volunteer corp who never actually take up Israeli citizenship."</i> Mercenaries are people who fight for the money. Considering that the Israeli soldier receives less than a thousand dollars a month for his services I would call this a bit of deliberate misdirection if it is not ignorance I wonder how the interviewer felt about Israelis being free to express disagreement with the government's policies knowing that no harm will befall them, considering that she is Iranian I wonder whether her government allows her the same public freedom. The real stinger came in this statement <i>Press TV: Do you see a double-standard in the way British Muslims who allegedly travel to fight in foreign conflicts, are treated, compared to British Jews serving in Israel? Freedman: If you're asking if it's a double-standard just to focus on British Muslims and not British Jews, then definitely there is a double-standard. </i> Hey! British Muslims who fight in foreign conflicts (ie for the Taliban) are fighting against British troops while Israelis are fighting to defend themselves - against terrorists. Ignorance again? Seth, you do need a lot of fact checking don't you? Thanks for the reference armanitoarmy:

You would think that Seth as a would-be journalist would have better control of concepts. Discussing the fact that people come from all over the world to join Tsahal, he says
“This does leave Israel open to the accusation that it is in fact employing mercenaries – particularly with regards to the volunteer corp who never actually take up Israeli citizenship.”

Mercenaries are people who fight for the money. Considering that the Israeli soldier receives less than a thousand dollars a month for his services I would call this a bit of deliberate misdirection if it is not ignorance

I wonder how the interviewer felt about Israelis being free to express disagreement with the government’s policies knowing that no harm will befall them, considering that she is Iranian I wonder whether her government allows her the same public freedom.

The real stinger came in this statement
Press TV: Do you see a double-standard in the way British Muslims who allegedly travel to fight in foreign conflicts, are treated, compared to British Jews serving in Israel?

Freedman: If you’re asking if it’s a double-standard just to focus on British Muslims and not British Jews, then definitely there is a double-standard.

Hey! British Muslims who fight in foreign conflicts (ie for the Taliban) are fighting against British troops while Israelis are fighting to defend themselves – against terrorists. Ignorance again? Seth, you do need a lot of fact checking don’t you?

]]> By: armanitoarmy http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6114 armanitoarmy Sun, 29 Nov 2009 05:49:33 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6114 """"Israeli ex-soldier shares insight into occupation"""" Seth Freedman was interviewed by Press TV,a certain Fareena Alam interviewed him.If you think that this Seth Freedman couldn't sink any lower,than you have another think coming. “”"”Israeli ex-soldier shares insight into occupation”"”"

Seth Freedman was interviewed by Press TV,a certain Fareena Alam interviewed him.If you think that this Seth Freedman couldn’t sink any lower,than you have another think coming.

]]> By: Ray Krebs http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6111 Ray Krebs Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:43:20 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6111 Freedman simply does not have enough fresh material to fill his allures space so in desperation he resorts to this trivia. He is allowed ny his paymasters at the Guardian to write about only one topics: Israel's supposed sins against humanity. Freedman can not write about Israeli doctors And hospitals who treat desperately I'll children from Gaza. He does not want to anyway but he is not allowed to. Freedman is not allowed to write about any good deed done by any Israeli. So Freedman is left with writing a boring column about a clean energy rail system that extends to Mount Scopus, which was always part of Israel. But I suppose that Freedman will say that Hebrew University is a right wing plot too. Freedman simply does not have enough fresh material to fill his allures space so in desperation he resorts to this trivia. He is allowed ny his paymasters at the Guardian to write about only one topics: Israel’s supposed sins against humanity. Freedman can not write about Israeli doctors And hospitals who treat desperately I’ll children from Gaza. He does not want to anyway but he is not allowed to. Freedman is not allowed to write about any good deed done by any Israeli. So Freedman is left with writing a boring column about a clean energy rail system that extends to Mount Scopus, which was always part of Israel. But I suppose that Freedman will say that Hebrew University is a right wing plot too.

]]> By: AKUS http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6110 AKUS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 03:02:53 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6110 Google ads strikes again. Often good for a laugh! The ads running under Freedman's article include (and I suppose this proves again that there's no such thing as bad advertising!!): Traveling Israel Make Informed Decisions. Save Time And Money On Your Trip with Bing ™ www.Bing.com/Travel Israel Photo Gallery View the Best Images from Israel! Free Photos, Screensavers & More. www.Away.com Jerusalem expedition 2010 A hands-on taste of Jerusalem and Israel through study teenadventure.israelexperts.com Support Israel Everyday HAS Advantage Visa lets you support Israel with every purchase www.hasadvantage.com Israel Bar Mitzvah Tours Bar/Bat Mitzvah tours, Israel tours Bar Mitzvah tour planning in Israel www.IsraelBarMitzvahTours.com Google ads strikes again. Often good for a laugh!

The ads running under Freedman’s article include (and I suppose this proves again that there’s no such thing as bad advertising!!):

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]]> By: AKUS http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6109 AKUS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:45:59 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6109 Israelinurse - sorry - spellchecker gone wild: I wonder if there is any way to get hold of accounts etc. to see if that’s the case here. Israelinurse – sorry – spellchecker gone wild:

I wonder if there is any way to get hold of accounts etc. to see if that’s the case here.

]]> By: AKUS http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6108 AKUS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:44:48 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6108 Israelinurse - I am a great believer in "follow the money"and I have yet to come across a case where Freedman did not expect to get paid for his "efforts" including his miserable scribblings on CiF and his failed books. I wonder if there is any way to get whole of accounts etc. to see if that's the case here. Israelinurse – I am a great believer in “follow the money”and I have yet to come across a case where Freedman did not expect to get paid for his “efforts” including his miserable scribblings on CiF and his failed books.

I wonder if there is any way to get whole of accounts etc. to see if that’s the case here.

]]> By: AKUS http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6107 AKUS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:41:39 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6107 Yohoho - not everything is going their way. In fact, they seem a little disappointed: http://www.bigcampaign.org/index.php?mact=CGBlog,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=97&cntnt01returnid=72 Veolia and Alstom continue to abet Israel's rights violations 24 11 2009 Alstom / Veolia Despite mounting pressure to withdraw from the light rail project in Jerusalem designed to serve the needs of Israel's illegal settlements, the French transportation giant Veolia is set to be highly involved in the project for the next five years. ----------- Alstom provides the rolling stock for Washington's Metro system - I will be keeping an eye on their latest contract from this point on and if necessary, writing to Congress Yohoho – not everything is going their way. In fact, they seem a little disappointed:

http://www.bigcampaign.org/index.php?mact=CGBlog,cntnt01,detail,0&cntnt01articleid=97&cntnt01returnid=72

Veolia and Alstom continue to abet Israel’s rights violations
24 11 2009
Alstom / Veolia

Despite mounting pressure to withdraw from the light rail project in Jerusalem designed to serve the needs of Israel’s illegal settlements, the French transportation giant Veolia is set to be highly involved in the project for the next five years.

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Alstom provides the rolling stock for Washington’s Metro system – I will be keeping an eye on their latest contract from this point on and if necessary, writing to Congress

]]> By: AKUS http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6106 AKUS Sun, 29 Nov 2009 02:35:52 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6106 TomWonacott - send Whittaker and e-mail suggesting they post it as a response ....!! TomWonacott – send Whittaker and e-mail suggesting they post it as a response ….!!

]]> By: Israelinurse http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/27/freedman-derailed-by-chutzpah-and-ignorance/#comment-6105 Israelinurse Sun, 29 Nov 2009 01:57:58 +0000 http://cifwatch.com/?p=3367#comment-6105 Yohoho - maybe it's a case of 'Brothers in Arms' - don't forget that another CiFer, Greenstein, is a BIG boycott bigwig. I'd love to know who funds BIG, BDS, PSC. There's a hell of a lot of money being put into these campaigns and it would be very interesting to find out exactly where it's coming from. Akus - I first became aware of the BDS/ Jerusalem railway connection a couple of years ago when I was having a bit of a one-woman spat with my local PSC and whilst doing a bit of research, found out that the Irish PSC had persuaded the Irish not to train the Israeli train drivers. They seem to have stepped up the campaign lately though. Yohoho – maybe it’s a case of ‘Brothers in Arms’ – don’t forget that another CiFer, Greenstein, is a BIG boycott bigwig.
I’d love to know who funds BIG, BDS, PSC. There’s a hell of a lot of money being put into these campaigns and it would be very interesting to find out exactly where it’s coming from.
Akus – I first became aware of the BDS/ Jerusalem railway connection a couple of years ago when I was having a bit of a one-woman spat with my local PSC and whilst doing a bit of research, found out that the Irish PSC had persuaded the Irish not to train the Israeli train drivers. They seem to have stepped up the campaign lately though.

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