A topsy-turvy world

Here’s a comment to the editor of the Guardian and his loyal readers concerning Israe :-

We’re not fooled by your excuses. A Jew or non-Jew who doesn’t wholeheartedly support Israel against its enemies is like a turkey looking forward to Xmas.

Let me recommend a brilliant article on this topic:

“Israel today, the West tomorrow” – Commentary Magazine / Israel and the Middle East / May 2009

You hit several nails on the head, Israelinurse in this excellent article.

I believe that written in the Talmud (no doubt people will correct me if I am wrong about the location) is the following injunction:

“You shall not accustom yourself to smooth and deceptive speech.”

Seaton is not a Jew, although that doesn’t absolve him from guilt and blame, but Lerman and the rest of the CiF Theobald-Jew stable (including Sethele who spouts a lot about Judaism) claim to be.

I think the test is even simpler.

If Israel, the Jewish state of Israel, Israelis, Zionism or Zionists occupies the same place and role in someone’s discourse today as Jews, Judaism, Jewishness etc in the discourse of the conventional antisemite in the late and early 19th and 20th centuries respectively, their discourse is antisemitic.

It’s not enough to demonstrate that your discourse is not antisemitic as in the Golden Age of antisemitism. That antisemitism is irrelevant, because the object of its hatred, the 80% of the worlds’s Jews that once lived in European Christendom or Islam, are now gone. Their surviving descendants either comprise the American or Israeli Jewish communities, which compete in size, but not in an obvious Jewish identity, since Israel wins that hands down.

The study of antisemitism only reached its zenith decades after the holocaust i.e. decades too late, and its widespread, popular understanding, later than that. Conversely, the study of modern antisemitism is also decades behind, as is its popular understanding.

Thus modern antisemites can legitimately claim their detractors have little to no academic “proof”.

TomWonacott, the left would align with any entity with which it had hatred in common.

Hairshirt – “the left would align with any entity with which it had hatred in common.”

The proof lies in the British political party, Respect, which doesn’t support a Jewish state in the Middle East at all. Speak about the marriage of two opposing political philosophies. But, in addition, how about Chavez and Ahmadinejad (left and right)? All in opposition to America and Israel.

Prezelberg

“…..Have you seen e.g. Guardian editorials making such a claim? I think not…..”

I think that the idea that Israel is a racist nation (which was officially proclaimed by the UN in the 70′s) has significantly influenced the rise of antisemitism in Europe especially by the Anti American left. The Guardian doesn’t have to editorialize it, they can beat the idea in through their writers like Abudimah (an “ethnic religious supremecist state”), Neve Gorden (“apartheid” and the comparisons to South Africa), and through political cartoonist like Bell. Everyday, I can see the fruits of their labor (and that of the UN) from everyday posters just like us. I’ve stated in the past that certainly not all left wing Europeans are antisemites. Not by a long shot, but for example, if a poll shows that “more than 50 percent of Germans equate Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians with Nazi treatment of the Jews”, that’s a troubling statistic. Symbolic comparisons of Israel and Nazi Germany are quite common, and antisemetic to the core.

In addition, the “Israel is a racist state” theme has made traditional antisemitism more common and acceptable (the catalyst(?)). We’ve discussed them recently – the “Jewish” lobby and power. Almost 55% of Spaniards believe that Jews have too much influence in financial markets. Almost 50% of Spaniards have a “negative opinion of Jews”. And what did Zapateros say about the Holocaust?

“At times one can even understand that there might be people who could justify the Holocaust.”.

As far as I know, the Guardian hasn’t supported a boycott of Israel either, but they certainly have no qualms about pushing the idea (holding a gun to Israel’s head – I know how much you like that phrase) through their columnist like Neve and Seth etc.

This has all been hammered into the public by the left wing media and academia and left wing political organizations. Europe as a hole has mainstreamed their hatred of Israel. Some have called this the Palestinianization of Europe. This is just not found to this degree in the US and Canada.

Thanks

TomWonacott – “….Europe as a hole… ???

Did you mean to write that or was it a Freudian slip?

Whatever was the case, I can understand why you wrote it.

TomWonacott

- “if a poll shows that “more than 50 percent of Germans equate Israel’s policies toward the Palestinians with Nazi treatment of the Jews”, that’s a troubling statistic. Symbolic comparisons of Israel and Nazi Germany are quite common, and antisemetic to the core.”

Great – so you’re saying that 50% of the German population are anti-Semitic to the core.

Congratulations.

“There should be zero tolerance for anti-Semitism”.

In a day and age when we are so aware of political correctness surely the kind of posting examined here every day,making generalisations about Jews and Israelis, slamming them for the way they behave without justification, making assumptions based on zero knowledge should be considered anathema in a decent newsite. However the Guardian does not seem to require its moderators to remove postings that contravene these general rules unless urged to do so.

Report these postings for abuse and they will sometimes be removed – reluctantly at times it seems after some hours have passed and they have spread their poison already.

Compare this to a mention of a member of the Guardian staff where the comment will be removed very efficiently with no need to wait for a report – proving that the entries are read but that standards are not applied.

This is the kind of atmosphere in which anti-Semitism thrives. When the news is always presented from the point of view of Israel’s enemiesl, when people feel that nudge nudge wink wink we can say what we like about Israel and the person next to us will probably agree, we are living in a toxic, racist atmosphere.