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		<title>By: FoolMeOnce</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FoolMeOnce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 08:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@The Watcher from CifWatch

You&#039;re preaching to the quire. We are in agreement. The Palestinians are treated like babies, because if they&#039;re not helpless babies than the Israelis can&#039;t be omnipotent thugs.

The loony left, as described here, need babies for its patronizing righteousness. Just as Arab, African, and other 3rd world regimes are given less criticism than old Israel (and the US and often Britain for that matter) as if they are not to be expected to do any better, so are the Palestinians reserved the role of &quot;the oppressed indigenes&quot;.

I don&#039;t agree that the Palestinians lack initiative. They seem to have a lot of it in the &quot;resistance&quot; department. So far all of their extremely corrupt leaderships (Fateh being even more efficient than Hamas in diverting cash to their Swiss bank accounts) have thrived on misfortune and violence. 

Because the more misfortune, the more European aid flows in. 

In short, they themselves are playing the role of the pitied babies, because nowadays victimhood is big bucks. Victimhood in the media is the new form of victory in the 21st century battlefield.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Watcher from CifWatch</p>
<p>You&#8217;re preaching to the quire. We are in agreement. The Palestinians are treated like babies, because if they&#8217;re not helpless babies than the Israelis can&#8217;t be omnipotent thugs.</p>
<p>The loony left, as described here, need babies for its patronizing righteousness. Just as Arab, African, and other 3rd world regimes are given less criticism than old Israel (and the US and often Britain for that matter) as if they are not to be expected to do any better, so are the Palestinians reserved the role of &#8220;the oppressed indigenes&#8221;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t agree that the Palestinians lack initiative. They seem to have a lot of it in the &#8220;resistance&#8221; department. So far all of their extremely corrupt leaderships (Fateh being even more efficient than Hamas in diverting cash to their Swiss bank accounts) have thrived on misfortune and violence. </p>
<p>Because the more misfortune, the more European aid flows in. </p>
<p>In short, they themselves are playing the role of the pitied babies, because nowadays victimhood is big bucks. Victimhood in the media is the new form of victory in the 21st century battlefield.</p>
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		<title>By: The Watcher from CifWatch</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5810</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Watcher from CifWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mitnaged and FoolMeOnce.  Actually I would prefer to see a realistic criticism of the Palestinian lack of initiative, some conjecture as to the reasons why they have never accepted any of the offers made to them and even a call for them to make a peace offer to Israel, setting out the terms and conditions that they are prepared to accept.

I would like to see a criticism of the way that they educate their children and of the content of their Friday night sermons and  of the lack of attention to human rights.   I would like to see criticism of the way that Palestinian solidarity groups in the UK call for boycotts of Israel on falsified grounds.

I would in short, like to see the Palestinians treated as adult and responsible people who can be asked to behave as full members of our society, instead of people to be pitied and babied.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mitnaged and FoolMeOnce.  Actually I would prefer to see a realistic criticism of the Palestinian lack of initiative, some conjecture as to the reasons why they have never accepted any of the offers made to them and even a call for them to make a peace offer to Israel, setting out the terms and conditions that they are prepared to accept.</p>
<p>I would like to see a criticism of the way that they educate their children and of the content of their Friday night sermons and  of the lack of attention to human rights.   I would like to see criticism of the way that Palestinian solidarity groups in the UK call for boycotts of Israel on falsified grounds.</p>
<p>I would in short, like to see the Palestinians treated as adult and responsible people who can be asked to behave as full members of our society, instead of people to be pitied and babied.</p>
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		<title>By: cityca</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5808</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:35:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good post Hawkeye. Seeing the numbers is very instructive.

MITNAGED
Spot on again. They are professional victims from cradle to grave, all paid for by funds supplied by a world class team of charities and much of that money syphoned off to the bank accounts of their leaders and never reaching its intended recipients.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good post Hawkeye. Seeing the numbers is very instructive.</p>
<p>MITNAGED<br />
Spot on again. They are professional victims from cradle to grave, all paid for by funds supplied by a world class team of charities and much of that money syphoned off to the bank accounts of their leaders and never reaching its intended recipients.</p>
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		<title>By: FoolMeOnce</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5802</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FoolMeOnce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@The Watcher from CifWatch

Pro-whatnot and anti-whatnot are really only simplifications for a lack of better words.
I don&#039;t like these distinctions either. Perhaps &quot;pro-Israeli VS pro-Palestinian&quot; are more to your liking? 
They&#039;re kind of &quot;half-glass-full&quot; versions of the same.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@The Watcher from CifWatch</p>
<p>Pro-whatnot and anti-whatnot are really only simplifications for a lack of better words.<br />
I don&#8217;t like these distinctions either. Perhaps &#8220;pro-Israeli VS pro-Palestinian&#8221; are more to your liking?<br />
They&#8217;re kind of &#8220;half-glass-full&#8221; versions of the same.</p>
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		<title>By: MITNAGED</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5801</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[MITNAGED]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Watcher from CifWatch - actually it&#039;s neither. Palestinians are the charity cases of the extreme loony left, infantilised and absolved from all guilt and blame for any of their reprehensible behaviour.  Every bleat is &quot;there there&#039;d&quot; in a &quot;poor ickle diddums&quot; manner so misguidedly adopted by people who either spoil their children or are afraid to discipline them.  Without their charity case with which to beat up the rest of us, the loony left would have no reason to exist.

If you brought up a child in that way it would probably turn out to be a thug.

Hey... hang on a minute....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Watcher from CifWatch &#8211; actually it&#8217;s neither. Palestinians are the charity cases of the extreme loony left, infantilised and absolved from all guilt and blame for any of their reprehensible behaviour.  Every bleat is &#8220;there there&#8217;d&#8221; in a &#8220;poor ickle diddums&#8221; manner so misguidedly adopted by people who either spoil their children or are afraid to discipline them.  Without their charity case with which to beat up the rest of us, the loony left would have no reason to exist.</p>
<p>If you brought up a child in that way it would probably turn out to be a thug.</p>
<p>Hey&#8230; hang on a minute&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Watcher from CifWatch</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Watcher from CifWatch]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Three categories only:  Pro-Israel  and its accompanying anti-Israel. That&#039;s fair enough (except for the proportion).
Then we get pro-Palestinian but hey, no anti-Palestinian to balance  it.

Are we to understand that Palestinians are above criticism or are they not to be criticised?

Strange, innit?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three categories only:  Pro-Israel  and its accompanying anti-Israel. That&#8217;s fair enough (except for the proportion).<br />
Then we get pro-Palestinian but hey, no anti-Palestinian to balance  it.</p>
<p>Are we to understand that Palestinians are above criticism or are they not to be criticised?</p>
<p>Strange, innit?</p>
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		<title>By: FoolMeOnce</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5799</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[FoolMeOnce]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:22:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[echh... numbers.

Numbers: 19 out of 22 articles. 
19 articles extremely critical of Israel with zero criticism on Palestinians, out of 22.

Yuck, all those pointless numbers. I&#039;ll be honest, boyo- we don&#039;t care for numbers here on &quot;The Guardian&quot;. 
Numbers just don&#039;t fit into our scheme, don&#039;t you see? They&#039;re too rigid, too... PRECISE. We prefer a LOOSER FORM OF TRUTH here on ye old Manchester Guardian, yesiri.

A truth you could really shape they way you need to sell newspapers. 

No, we feel numbers restrict us- they just won&#039;t do I&#039;m afraid. OR.. was it a number given by Hamas?

THAT WE&#039;LL TAKE!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>echh&#8230; numbers.</p>
<p>Numbers: 19 out of 22 articles.<br />
19 articles extremely critical of Israel with zero criticism on Palestinians, out of 22.</p>
<p>Yuck, all those pointless numbers. I&#8217;ll be honest, boyo- we don&#8217;t care for numbers here on &#8220;The Guardian&#8221;.<br />
Numbers just don&#8217;t fit into our scheme, don&#8217;t you see? They&#8217;re too rigid, too&#8230; PRECISE. We prefer a LOOSER FORM OF TRUTH here on ye old Manchester Guardian, yesiri.</p>
<p>A truth you could really shape they way you need to sell newspapers. </p>
<p>No, we feel numbers restrict us- they just won&#8217;t do I&#8217;m afraid. OR.. was it a number given by Hamas?</p>
<p>THAT WE&#8217;LL TAKE!</p>
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		<title>By: peterthehungarian</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5798</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 18:00:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And by the way &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1129648.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;from the mouth of a beloved representative&lt;/a&gt; of the GWV ... 

&lt;b&gt;Chavez lauds Carlos the Jackal as &#039;great&#039; pro-Palestinian fighter&lt;/b&gt;

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&quot;They accuse him of being a terrorist, but Carlos really was a revolutionary fighter,&quot; Chavez said during a televised speech to socialist politicians from various countries, who applauded. 

In his speech, Chavez also sought to defend other leaders he said are wrongly labeled bad guys internationally, including Zimbabwe&#039;s Robert Mugabe and Iran&#039;s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Chavez called both of them brothers and said he now wonders whether Ugandan dictator Idi Amin was truly as brutal as he was reputed to be&quot;
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I&#039;m looking forward to read something from this revolutiaonary hero on the CIF.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way <a href="http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1129648.html" rel="nofollow">from the mouth of a beloved representative</a> of the GWV &#8230; </p>
<p><b>Chavez lauds Carlos the Jackal as &#8216;great&#8217; pro-Palestinian fighter</b></p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
&#8220;They accuse him of being a terrorist, but Carlos really was a revolutionary fighter,&#8221; Chavez said during a televised speech to socialist politicians from various countries, who applauded. </p>
<p>In his speech, Chavez also sought to defend other leaders he said are wrongly labeled bad guys internationally, including Zimbabwe&#8217;s Robert Mugabe and Iran&#8217;s Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Chavez called both of them brothers and said he now wonders whether Ugandan dictator Idi Amin was truly as brutal as he was reputed to be&#8221;<br />
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I&#8217;m looking forward to read something from this revolutiaonary hero on the CIF.</p>
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		<title>By: zkharya</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/21/fair-and-balanced-yeh-right/comment-page-1/#comment-5796</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:54:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are naturally wary of publishing too much on the topic&quot;

i.e. concerned that the critics of Osbourne and James are given the last word.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are naturally wary of publishing too much on the topic&#8221;</p>
<p>i.e. concerned that the critics of Osbourne and James are given the last word.</p>
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		<title>By: peterthehungarian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterthehungarian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Nov 2009 17:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hawkeye why are you surprised?  
Seaton only does what he is paid for - publishes articles showing the Guardian&#039;s truth... Truth as &lt;b&gt;Pravda&lt;/b&gt; in Russian...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hawkeye why are you surprised?<br />
Seaton only does what he is paid for &#8211; publishes articles showing the Guardian&#8217;s truth&#8230; Truth as <b>Pravda</b> in Russian&#8230;</p>
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