You make a good point that the blatant dishonesty by Seaton was deliberate and begun by allowing Oborne to advertise the latter’s prejudices on CiF before the programme. This prepared the ground and made it fertile for Oborn’s Big Lies

Seaton lies through his teeth. He must know that we know he is lying through his teeth, which begs the question as to why he continues to do it. Perhaps the coven believes its own lies.

The following, from “Why People Lie” at http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/h2g2/A996942 , resonates with me:

“… A dangerous form of lying involves deliberate deception intended to gather support for a particular organisation or group, to obtain information about the opposition or to manipulate the outcome of a situation. This includes the manipulation of information or data interpretation so as to sway the target population, or defamation of the opposing party with falsified evidence or claims.

“In some cases, the motive is not to rally for support, but simply to defame somebody by spreading false, malicious rumours about them. This was so in the case of Australian Medical Association (AMA) Federal Health Minister, Dr Michael Wooldridge, who defamed the AMA president, Dr Kerryn Phelps, by saying that she had ‘no specialist qualification other than in the media’…”

“The “pro-Palestinian” activists in the West clearly do not care about reforms and good government in the Palestinian territories. As far as these activists are concerned, delegitimizing Israel and inciting against “Zionists” are much more important that pushing for an end to financial corruption and violence in Palestinian society.”

http://www.hudsonny.org/2009/11/what-does-pro-palestinian-really-mean.php

Well, maybe not….

I’ve never before come close to reporting so many comments for abuse.

Be that as it may:

@ Sid Bachrach

Matt Seaton … says “legitimate criticism of the Jews” is acceptable.

Does he? Where was that?

he accuses “The Jews” of attempting to consor “legitimate criticism”.

Again: where?

In Seaton’s view, any and all criticism of Israel is acceptable, whether it is comparing Israel to Nazi Germany, accusing Israel of genocide, having cartoons likening Israel to Aushwitz, for Seaton that is all OK

Please tell me you’re making up these quotations …

What does this say, then, about Europe, which opressed a people (the Jews) for 1,661 years and eventually put them in gas chambers?

Israel has an actve internal debate about what are or are not its responsibilities to Palestinians. Europe, however, has for the most part refused to come to terms either with its colaboration in genocide, or with the recompense it owes the Jews.

The Muslim world, similarly, oprressed the Jews for 1,461 years – yet has never acknowledged it. (Support for a Jewish state is the least the Muslim world could do to recompense 1,461 years of dhimmitude.)

Thus in terms of conscience towards minorities, tiny Israel puts both the Christian and Muslim worlds to shame.

I’d put Matt Seaton in the first categrory.

Margie, Freedman is the living embodiment of ridiculousness. No sooner does he put fingers to keyboard than out it all pops.

AKUS, I like your interpretation of this, following the usual “Hidden Hand” conspiracy theory lunacy so beloved of the Guardianistas and their friends in the Arab world.

I now fully expect to see an article along those lines on CiF.

Poor PhilipD… He didn’t know my orthodox grandfather z”l who lived in a small village in East Hungary. He started the day with a generous quantity of kosher sliwowitz, and didn’t stop to resupply till the evening.
Maybe I inherited his genes, but nothing from the cultural prohibition….

Spellchecker gone wild

“drinking habits”

Thanks for drawing our attention to yet another horrendous Israeli problem exposed by intrepid undercover reporter Freedman, who has in the past boasted on the pages of CiF that there’s nothing he enjoys more than quaffing a bottle or two of Scottish malt whisky while worrying about the driming habits of other Israelis.

Now that CiF is worrying about this, and exposing the full horror to the keen eyes of its CiFers, a matter of enormous importance compared, say, to the lack of food or drinking water in Africa, I think its time to fight back by developing a conspiracy theory that the Palestinians are flooding Israel with beer in order to get everyone drunk so that they can walk in and take over Israel:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/10/04/AR2009100401798.html

The brewery now turns a profit, the beer is widely available at restaurants in the West Bank and Israel, and the Oktoberfest, now in its fifth year, is helping brand the town as a once-a-year destination.

But – wait – actually, this is a Mossad false flag operation – on the drinking problem thread keen eyed-commentator PhillipD has pointed out that Jews have a genetic advantage over their Catholic neighbors:

PhilipD

18 Nov 2009, 11:58AM

I can’t find a link to it at the moment, but a couple of years ago I read a study into the Jewish community in Dublin which found that while most Irish Jews had the same drinking habits of typical Dubliners, alcoholism was virtually unknown in the community. It was speculated that either there was a genetic reason behind this, or more probably it was that there was a cultural prohibition about drinking to excess on a regular basis.

So its actually highly likely that the Mossad is taking advantage of yet another unfair genetic advantage possessed by Jews to complete its control of the WB. This genetic advantage apparently exhibits itself in knowing when to stop drinking and leave the pub (there’s that Jewish IQ at work again – another unfair advantage).

Using this basic difference, the Mossad is creating a drunken society on the WB by encouraging the development of a thriving beer business there and encouraging the unsuspecting Arabs to hold Oktoberfest celebrations. This is accompanied by the free distribution of chewing gum laced with a compound that reduces male fertility among Arabs. As the population declines in numbers and the remaining few fall into a drunken stupor every October, Israel will simply be able to walk in and take the place over.

Now, that would be a story worth reporting …

To paraphrase SantaMoniker’s comment from above

“Articles like Freedman’s make me seriously suspect the sanity of some of those writing for CiF and commenting on their threads. What alternative universe do they inhabit?”

PeterTheHungarian thank you for drawing my attention to Seth’s ridiculous offering for today. Notice his comment
If Netanyahu was serious about wanting to wean the nation off drink, he should go the whole hog and ban the substance in the same way as other drugs are prohibited – but to do so would pit him against not only vast swathes of the electorate, but big business as well and all the political clout such companies and investors wield
Reading this you would think that Israel’s population is the worst offender in this arena. Look at the UK stats where there is no thought of banning alcohol
According to the Institute of Alcohol Studies, young people in the UK are the third worst binge drinkers in the EU. What’s more, the Joseph Rowntree Foundation found that over 50% of 15 to 16 year-olds have participated in binge drinking, and another report showed that 44% of 18 to 24-year-olds are regular binge drinkers. http://www.thesite.org/drinkanddrugs/drinking/problems/bingedrinking

Compare this to Seth’s shock and horror offering of
“20% of boys in the sixth grade report having drunk an alcoholic beverage, or that they drink an alcoholic beverage once a week. Of course they have an alcoholic beverage once a week, when it is tradition to bless wine and drink a token amount with your Friday night dinner with the family. He doesn’t mention how much they drink either.

Seth should return to an honest profession on the stock market rather than try to fob such stories off on us.

So instead of scraping the barrel- why not just cut the charades of writing an article with zero interest to anyone non-Israeli and just post a clear webpage with a big header “Israel” and a comment line.

Why go through the motions?

Compare this to Seth’s shock and horror offering of
“20% of boys in the sixth grade report having drunk an alcoholic beverage, or that they drink an alcoholic beverage once a week. Of course they have an alcoholic beverage once a week, when it is tradition to bless wine and drink a token amount with your Friday night dinner with the family. He doesn’t mention how much they drink either.

Seth should return to an honest profession on the stock market rather than try to fob such stories off on us.

dizzylizzy

18 Nov 2009, 12:24PM

It might be a reflection of the sickness that pervades Israeli society. After all, you cannot oppress a people for 61 years and pretend everything is normal. Perhaps this is the price to pay for the injustice perpetrated on the Palestinians.

JJ139 JJ139

18 Nov 2009, 12:25PM

I think this article is totally pointless except in trying to equate Israel as a ‘western/European democracy’. Well it is neither in Europe nor does it display European values in things like the free movement of goods and services and human rights for minorities etc.