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		<title>By: Amyisraelchai</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5899</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Amyisraelchai]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Nov 2009 22:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Silvertrees, thanks for the link.

Re the Freemasons: it&#039;s usually been the case, historically, that the enemies of the one have been the enemies of the other - remember those three &quot;métèque &quot; elements within France always seen as working to undermine the national interest by the extreme Right, the third being the Protestants?
I think the first to link Jews and Freemasons together as alleged allied forces in a nefarious conspiracy was the Jewish apostate Jacob Brafman in a terrible publication in Tsarist Russia about 1860 that seems to have inspired the later Protocols.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Silvertrees, thanks for the link.</p>
<p>Re the Freemasons: it&#8217;s usually been the case, historically, that the enemies of the one have been the enemies of the other &#8211; remember those three &#8220;métèque &#8221; elements within France always seen as working to undermine the national interest by the extreme Right, the third being the Protestants?<br />
I think the first to link Jews and Freemasons together as alleged allied forces in a nefarious conspiracy was the Jewish apostate Jacob Brafman in a terrible publication in Tsarist Russia about 1860 that seems to have inspired the later Protocols.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Prince Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonnie Prince Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 09:20:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After watching Peter Oborne’s ‘Dispatches’ programme on the power of the Israel lobby in Britain, the scales have fallen from my eyes.  I now see things in an entirely different light.  I now realise that the power of this unique cabal is so vast and unprecedented in its truly demonic power  –  a power given to no other lobby  –  that both the Labour government and Tory opposition slavishly and unquestioningly support Israel’s military actions and that the Guardian and the BBC have found themselves totally unable to publish or transmit anything other than wholehearted support for Israel.

I now realise that, every day, a cowed and intimidated Guardian publishes story after story in support of Israel, focusing relentlessly upon the beleaguerment of its citizens under the onslaught from Hamas while never carrying anything in favour of the Palestinians, presenting the Middle East entirely through a pro-Israel prism and never even reporting the Palestinian point of view except for a few contemptuous references suggesting that they are always lying.

I now realise that every day a cowed and intimidated BBC transmits only the most admiring reports of Israeli soldiers being put in harm’s way by their commanders in order to avoid killing Palestinian civilians wherever possible, and that its Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen is guilty of the most flagrant admiration for the Israel Defence Force and of presenting a version of Israel’s history which is drawn entirely from a Jewish perspective.

I now realise that Britain has been forced to endorse the most drastic and gung-ho action possible against Iran to stop it from going nuclear  –  part of the approach to the region which, in the memorable words of no less an authority than the former British ambassador to Iran, has been promoted by British Jews who are acting against the national interest of Britain and in the interests of another country.

I now realise that both Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Tory foreign affairs spokesman William Hague have done nothing other than mouth off in support for Israel’s actions in Gaza or in the settlements, with Miliband in particular denouncing the Goldstone report and voting against it at the UN; and that both are loud in their grotesquely lop-sided and obsessional condemnation of the Palestinians and the Arab world for being the cause of the Middle East conflict.

I now realise that Miliband, Hague, the editor of the Guardian and the Director-General of the BBC are all tragic, broken figures who have been so badly traumatised by the truly diabolical power of this lobby that they are helplessly unable to do anything other than pump out pro-Israel propaganda, and weakly protest at the truly demented and hysterical frenzy of smears, libels, insults, ad-hominem attacks, fabrications, distortions and, well, sheer undiluted bigotry and hatred that are daily hurled at these defenceless individuals by these rich and powerful Jews.

I now realise just how successful the British Israel lobby has been  -  as this &#039;Dispatches&#039; programme so brilliantly conveyed  -  in treacherously subverting British politics and intimidating the media to realise its diabolical aim of harnessing politicians and journalists to Israel ’s cause, an aim in which it has had such conspicuous success.

And just how has this lobby managed to gain so much power over Britain ’s ruling and media class  -  far more so than the poor old Arabs have ever managed?  Ah well, there’s one vital thing Peter Oborne forgot to tell us.

You see, the Jews have all the oil.

(I wish I had written this, but I didn&#039;t.  Thanks, Melanie.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After watching Peter Oborne’s ‘Dispatches’ programme on the power of the Israel lobby in Britain, the scales have fallen from my eyes.  I now see things in an entirely different light.  I now realise that the power of this unique cabal is so vast and unprecedented in its truly demonic power  –  a power given to no other lobby  –  that both the Labour government and Tory opposition slavishly and unquestioningly support Israel’s military actions and that the Guardian and the BBC have found themselves totally unable to publish or transmit anything other than wholehearted support for Israel.</p>
<p>I now realise that, every day, a cowed and intimidated Guardian publishes story after story in support of Israel, focusing relentlessly upon the beleaguerment of its citizens under the onslaught from Hamas while never carrying anything in favour of the Palestinians, presenting the Middle East entirely through a pro-Israel prism and never even reporting the Palestinian point of view except for a few contemptuous references suggesting that they are always lying.</p>
<p>I now realise that every day a cowed and intimidated BBC transmits only the most admiring reports of Israeli soldiers being put in harm’s way by their commanders in order to avoid killing Palestinian civilians wherever possible, and that its Middle East Editor Jeremy Bowen is guilty of the most flagrant admiration for the Israel Defence Force and of presenting a version of Israel’s history which is drawn entirely from a Jewish perspective.</p>
<p>I now realise that Britain has been forced to endorse the most drastic and gung-ho action possible against Iran to stop it from going nuclear  –  part of the approach to the region which, in the memorable words of no less an authority than the former British ambassador to Iran, has been promoted by British Jews who are acting against the national interest of Britain and in the interests of another country.</p>
<p>I now realise that both Foreign Secretary David Miliband and Tory foreign affairs spokesman William Hague have done nothing other than mouth off in support for Israel’s actions in Gaza or in the settlements, with Miliband in particular denouncing the Goldstone report and voting against it at the UN; and that both are loud in their grotesquely lop-sided and obsessional condemnation of the Palestinians and the Arab world for being the cause of the Middle East conflict.</p>
<p>I now realise that Miliband, Hague, the editor of the Guardian and the Director-General of the BBC are all tragic, broken figures who have been so badly traumatised by the truly diabolical power of this lobby that they are helplessly unable to do anything other than pump out pro-Israel propaganda, and weakly protest at the truly demented and hysterical frenzy of smears, libels, insults, ad-hominem attacks, fabrications, distortions and, well, sheer undiluted bigotry and hatred that are daily hurled at these defenceless individuals by these rich and powerful Jews.</p>
<p>I now realise just how successful the British Israel lobby has been  &#8211;  as this &#8216;Dispatches&#8217; programme so brilliantly conveyed  &#8211;  in treacherously subverting British politics and intimidating the media to realise its diabolical aim of harnessing politicians and journalists to Israel ’s cause, an aim in which it has had such conspicuous success.</p>
<p>And just how has this lobby managed to gain so much power over Britain ’s ruling and media class  &#8211;  far more so than the poor old Arabs have ever managed?  Ah well, there’s one vital thing Peter Oborne forgot to tell us.</p>
<p>You see, the Jews have all the oil.</p>
<p>(I wish I had written this, but I didn&#8217;t.  Thanks, Melanie.)</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 17:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/dispatches-israeli-lobby-antisemitism#start-of-comments 

Here is someone who was beaten up as a result of a false report about Israel. 

If you are reading this Alan Rusbridger - you said in the programme you found it &quot;difficult to believe&quot; that any journalistic coverage of events in Israel could result in acts of violence against Jews on the streets of Britain.

You no doubt do not want to believe it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/dispatches-israeli-lobby-antisemitism#start-of-comments" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/nov/18/dispatches-israeli-lobby-antisemitism#start-of-comments</a> </p>
<p>Here is someone who was beaten up as a result of a false report about Israel. </p>
<p>If you are reading this Alan Rusbridger &#8211; you said in the programme you found it &#8220;difficult to believe&#8221; that any journalistic coverage of events in Israel could result in acts of violence against Jews on the streets of Britain.</p>
<p>You no doubt do not want to believe it.</p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie Prince Charlie</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5621</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bonnie Prince Charlie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 13:44:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[TO : cityca     I&#039;d be very happy to get together with you to discuss a strategy.  Perhaps other like-minded people who feel the need to recapture the moral high ground we once held might like to join us.  Problem is I don&#039;t know how to contact you other that through this site and I don&#039;t want tp post my telephone number or email address.  (As you might have guessed, I&#039;m not too computer-savvy).  Is there any other way of contacting you?  (I&#039;m going to be out of the country for the next 2 weeks so there&#039;s no rush.)

TO : snigger and bobby inter alia     The chances of Peter Oborne doing a documentary on any of the topics listed are about as likely as the BBC or Channel 4 broadcasting it and my chances of becoming the next Chief Rabbi.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TO : cityca     I&#8217;d be very happy to get together with you to discuss a strategy.  Perhaps other like-minded people who feel the need to recapture the moral high ground we once held might like to join us.  Problem is I don&#8217;t know how to contact you other that through this site and I don&#8217;t want tp post my telephone number or email address.  (As you might have guessed, I&#8217;m not too computer-savvy).  Is there any other way of contacting you?  (I&#8217;m going to be out of the country for the next 2 weeks so there&#8217;s no rush.)</p>
<p>TO : snigger and bobby inter alia     The chances of Peter Oborne doing a documentary on any of the topics listed are about as likely as the BBC or Channel 4 broadcasting it and my chances of becoming the next Chief Rabbi.</p>
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		<title>By: Tweets that mention Inside Channel 4’s Conspiracy Factory « -- Topsy.com</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5596</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tweets that mention Inside Channel 4’s Conspiracy Factory « -- Topsy.com]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jonathan Sacerdoti and davidberens, Mr. Gerson. Mr. Gerson said: [Reader] Inside Channel 4’s Conspiracy Factory http://snipurl.com/t9rf3 [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This post was mentioned on Twitter by Jonathan Sacerdoti and davidberens, Mr. Gerson. Mr. Gerson said: [Reader] Inside Channel 4’s Conspiracy Factory <a href="http://snipurl.com/t9rf3" rel="nofollow">http://snipurl.com/t9rf3</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: pretzelberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pretzelberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:12:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Be that as it may.

Dispatches is now up on the Internet. It&#039;s bed time for me, but the intro seemed rather ridiculous ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Be that as it may.</p>
<p>Dispatches is now up on the Internet. It&#8217;s bed time for me, but the intro seemed rather ridiculous &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: pretzelberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pretzelberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 23:08:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@ Yohoho

Hawkeye said

&lt;i&gt;Avi Shlaim ... told us that the UK Jewish Community is ‘split’ on Israel (it isn’t – there is a tiny minority who did not support Cast Lead)&lt;/i&gt;

Being outside the UK I was unable to watch Dispatches.

Was Shlaim&#039;s &quot;split&quot; quote specifically about Cast Lead - or about e.g. WB settlement policy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Yohoho</p>
<p>Hawkeye said</p>
<p><i>Avi Shlaim &#8230; told us that the UK Jewish Community is ‘split’ on Israel (it isn’t – there is a tiny minority who did not support Cast Lead)</i></p>
<p>Being outside the UK I was unable to watch Dispatches.</p>
<p>Was Shlaim&#8217;s &#8220;split&#8221; quote specifically about Cast Lead &#8211; or about e.g. WB settlement policy?</p>
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		<title>By: SilverTrees</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5591</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[SilverTrees]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:34:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Amyisraelchai, a propos the LJS rabbi, you may find the following interesting from the JC at http://thejc.com/news/uk-news/22004/dispatches-criticised-leading-jews:

&lt;i&gt;&quot;....The Liberal Jewish synagogue chairwoman Rita Adler has distanced herself from comments that the synagogue’s Emeritus Rabbi David Goldberg made in the programme, claiming he was speaking in a personal capacity and not on behalf of the synagogue....&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Unless I am mistaken, this character left the original committee of IJV because he said it lacked direction.   Unless he&#039;s very careful he&#039;ll go the way of Tony Lerman.

What is it with these people who, as Chas N-B says quite rightly of Rusbridger, have zero self-awareness?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amyisraelchai, a propos the LJS rabbi, you may find the following interesting from the JC at <a href="http://thejc.com/news/uk-news/22004/dispatches-criticised-leading-jews" rel="nofollow">http://thejc.com/news/uk-news/22004/dispatches-criticised-leading-jews</a>:</p>
<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;.The Liberal Jewish synagogue chairwoman Rita Adler has distanced herself from comments that the synagogue’s Emeritus Rabbi David Goldberg made in the programme, claiming he was speaking in a personal capacity and not on behalf of the synagogue&#8230;.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Unless I am mistaken, this character left the original committee of IJV because he said it lacked direction.   Unless he&#8217;s very careful he&#8217;ll go the way of Tony Lerman.</p>
<p>What is it with these people who, as Chas N-B says quite rightly of Rusbridger, have zero self-awareness?</p>
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		<title>By: Yohoho</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5590</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yohoho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[peterjjackson - perhaps the thread is being premoderated by stealth?  (Did your post ever appear before it was taken down)?

I am waiting for a grand announcement by Matt Seaton about computer glitches, whereas it&#039;s more likely that their mods are running around in headless chicken mode because all of their preconceived ideas about what should remain on the page are now in a constant state of flux.

I am glad your post went up, though.  However, I still maintain that CiF is run along Stalinesque lines.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>peterjjackson &#8211; perhaps the thread is being premoderated by stealth?  (Did your post ever appear before it was taken down)?</p>
<p>I am waiting for a grand announcement by Matt Seaton about computer glitches, whereas it&#8217;s more likely that their mods are running around in headless chicken mode because all of their preconceived ideas about what should remain on the page are now in a constant state of flux.</p>
<p>I am glad your post went up, though.  However, I still maintain that CiF is run along Stalinesque lines.</p>
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		<title>By: Yohoho</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-2/#comment-5589</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Yohoho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;&quot;...I have little time for the preposterous hyperbole of Jonathan, Hawkeye and many others on this website...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

And you go on to describe what you call &quot;the torrent of hateful comments&quot; on two of CiF threads.

Does that mean, in fact, that you believe that Jonathan, Hawkeye and the many others may be correct in at least some of what they argue?

Peterjjackson, no there isn&#039;t, but remember CiF exists in its own Stalinesque bubble, where any challenge to its world view or the people who run it is ruthlessly extinguished.

(pretzelberg, was that hyperbolic enough for you?)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;&#8230;I have little time for the preposterous hyperbole of Jonathan, Hawkeye and many others on this website&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>And you go on to describe what you call &#8220;the torrent of hateful comments&#8221; on two of CiF threads.</p>
<p>Does that mean, in fact, that you believe that Jonathan, Hawkeye and the many others may be correct in at least some of what they argue?</p>
<p>Peterjjackson, no there isn&#8217;t, but remember CiF exists in its own Stalinesque bubble, where any challenge to its world view or the people who run it is ruthlessly extinguished.</p>
<p>(pretzelberg, was that hyperbolic enough for you?)</p>
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		<title>By: peterjjackson</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterjjackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 22:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My goodness, it&#039;s back again. Maybe it&#039;s technological rather than ideological.

Apologies to Cif if so.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goodness, it&#8217;s back again. Maybe it&#8217;s technological rather than ideological.</p>
<p>Apologies to Cif if so.</p>
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		<title>By: peterjjackson</title>
		<link>http://cifwatch.com/2009/11/16/inside-channel-4%e2%80%99s-conspiracy-factory/comment-page-1/#comment-5587</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[peterjjackson]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@pretzelberg

I&#039;ve been removed entirely from the Oborne thread, for posting (in its final version, after removing reference to another airbrushed commenter) this:

&quot;It looks odd to me that anti-Israel posters on here, who it seems are in a vast majority, regularly claim that they are silenced by a professional force of lobbyists represented by a handful of contributors who don&#039;t believe Israel is automatically evil. What silencing where?

As for the pressure on Mr Rusbridger, shown in the programme, it doesn&#039;t seem to have caused him to change anything in the paper. So Gerald Ronson said he&#039;d &#039;crossed the line&#039;? It didn&#039;t make him pull any articles, change editorial policy, or instruct Cif moderators to let only pro-Israel comments through. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?

I&#039;d expect editors in the national press to have enough backbone to stand up to the barrage of PR, complaints, political attacks and the like that must arrive every day. I&#039;m sure Mr Rusbridger can take care of himself.&quot;

Is there anything, repeat anything, wrong with that? I guess I could keep posting it until the moderators or I run out of patience, but I can&#039;t figure out what the objection is.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pretzelberg</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been removed entirely from the Oborne thread, for posting (in its final version, after removing reference to another airbrushed commenter) this:</p>
<p>&#8220;It looks odd to me that anti-Israel posters on here, who it seems are in a vast majority, regularly claim that they are silenced by a professional force of lobbyists represented by a handful of contributors who don&#8217;t believe Israel is automatically evil. What silencing where?</p>
<p>As for the pressure on Mr Rusbridger, shown in the programme, it doesn&#8217;t seem to have caused him to change anything in the paper. So Gerald Ronson said he&#8217;d &#8216;crossed the line&#8217;? It didn&#8217;t make him pull any articles, change editorial policy, or instruct Cif moderators to let only pro-Israel comments through. Unless you have evidence to the contrary?</p>
<p>I&#8217;d expect editors in the national press to have enough backbone to stand up to the barrage of PR, complaints, political attacks and the like that must arrive every day. I&#8217;m sure Mr Rusbridger can take care of himself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Is there anything, repeat anything, wrong with that? I guess I could keep posting it until the moderators or I run out of patience, but I can&#8217;t figure out what the objection is.</p>
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		<title>By: pretzelberg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[pretzelberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 21:47:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have little time for the preposterous hyperbole  of Jonathan, Hawkeye and many others on this website.

But I certainly agree re. the torrent of hateful comments on the two CiF threads.

The poster TruthBeToldToAll says Israel&#039;s &quot;citizenry are predominantly European migrants&quot;.
a) That&#039;s BS even counting people descended from European immigrants.
b) This would suggest that the poster considers e.g. black and Asian Brits to be &quot;migrants&quot;. I&#039;ll be bringing this up tomorrow ...
c) He&#039;s since (after I challenged him) changed his tune to &quot;How would you describe the ethnic origins of the majority of people migrating to Israel?&quot;

This really is desperate stuff.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have little time for the preposterous hyperbole  of Jonathan, Hawkeye and many others on this website.</p>
<p>But I certainly agree re. the torrent of hateful comments on the two CiF threads.</p>
<p>The poster TruthBeToldToAll says Israel&#8217;s &#8220;citizenry are predominantly European migrants&#8221;.<br />
a) That&#8217;s BS even counting people descended from European immigrants.<br />
b) This would suggest that the poster considers e.g. black and Asian Brits to be &#8220;migrants&#8221;. I&#8217;ll be bringing this up tomorrow &#8230;<br />
c) He&#8217;s since (after I challenged him) changed his tune to &#8220;How would you describe the ethnic origins of the majority of people migrating to Israel?&#8221;</p>
<p>This really is desperate stuff.</p>
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		<title>By: Snigger</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Snigger]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:00:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Bobby, I was not aware that anyone here has been jumping up and down or spitting out dummies - far from it, the debate here has been very measured and the article led the way in that.   Well done, Jonathan!

Having said that, I agree that all foreign interest groups should be regulated - our politicians being as morally challenged as they are - and yes, let&#039;s have another programme by Peter Oborne about the influence of the Saudis on the Foreign Office and on our universities.

If Oborne wants to convince us that his programme last night was not born of antisemitic conspiracy theory this is the best way that he could do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I was not aware that anyone here has been jumping up and down or spitting out dummies &#8211; far from it, the debate here has been very measured and the article led the way in that.   Well done, Jonathan!</p>
<p>Having said that, I agree that all foreign interest groups should be regulated &#8211; our politicians being as morally challenged as they are &#8211; and yes, let&#8217;s have another programme by Peter Oborne about the influence of the Saudis on the Foreign Office and on our universities.</p>
<p>If Oborne wants to convince us that his programme last night was not born of antisemitic conspiracy theory this is the best way that he could do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Serendipity</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 17:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Forgive me canadaneil, I&#039;ve had a weird day....

Actually you&#039;ve reminded me of a Jewish joke from, I think, &quot;The Joys of Yiddish:&quot;

The scene is one of the Nuremberg Rallies in Nazi Germany.  Goebbels is on the podium doing his thing, frothing at the mouth in his hatred of the Jews.  At the rear of the arena are two Jews who have managed to sneak in:

Goebbels:  Who is responsible for all this country&#039;s disease, difficulties and woes?

The crowd is silent.

First Jew shouts:  The bicycle riders!

Goebbels:  Why the bicycle riders???

First Jew shouts:  Why the Jews?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Forgive me canadaneil, I&#8217;ve had a weird day&#8230;.</p>
<p>Actually you&#8217;ve reminded me of a Jewish joke from, I think, &#8220;The Joys of Yiddish:&#8221;</p>
<p>The scene is one of the Nuremberg Rallies in Nazi Germany.  Goebbels is on the podium doing his thing, frothing at the mouth in his hatred of the Jews.  At the rear of the arena are two Jews who have managed to sneak in:</p>
<p>Goebbels:  Who is responsible for all this country&#8217;s disease, difficulties and woes?</p>
<p>The crowd is silent.</p>
<p>First Jew shouts:  The bicycle riders!</p>
<p>Goebbels:  Why the bicycle riders???</p>
<p>First Jew shouts:  Why the Jews?</p>
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