….and regarding arses and balls…. This one is fresh from the oven:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/cartoon/2009/nov/13/steve-bell-mandelson-information-minister

If anything, it’s a question of shameless apologism – and even then this applies to individual posters and not to the paper itself

Brian Whitaker and Seumas Milne are members of the Guardian’s staff. And they are only examples there are many more. They are “the paper itself”

I agree with pretty much all of your post.

The only exception is the alleged “alliance” with political Islam.

If anything, it’s a question of shameless apologism – and even then this applies to individual posters and not to the paper itself.

You and me are private persons and not establishments whose job to inform their readers about far away events as objectively as possible.

FYI I don’t think that the Guardian’s primary agenda is Jew hatred.
They belong the unreasonable left, their main goal to fight capitalism and its most powerful representative the US with every available means. Maybe you are aware of the huge quantity of totally gormless US bashing stuff on CIF too. Unfortunately after realizing that they don’t have any relevant mass support in the West they sought and found an other ally, the political Islam.
Naturally they pull to CIF the “classical” anti-semites and tolerating/supporting them objectively makes them Jew haters irrespective what they think about themselves. As you can see from their preferred contributors/posters they don’t give a broken bedpan about the Palestinians or peace.

“Any other explanation?”

I have a Christian upbringing, i.e. I heard about Jerusalem before I knew where Paris or New York were.

Then there’s the political significance of the Holy Land.

I spend a lot of time on I/P. Does that make me an anti-Semite?

Hmmm. Just what is meant by “to a certain extent”? Fifty million corpses’ worth of justification is a big ask, even for The Guardian.

…And though it might sound evenhanded and be politically correct to declare that “the Left and the Right are as bad as one another” in being “judeophobic to the core”, I’d really like to see how the evidence stacks up. The openly antisemitic “Right” are, in most cases, racist/nationalist Leftists — i.e. chronically aggrieved people who brim with resentment and look for scapegoats (such as those bloated plutocrat Jews and so forth) to blame for their failed lives. They believe in and propound muscular and often radical statist solutions. They’re not by any reasonable definition “conservative”.

Indeed, the “Far Right” is largely the contemporary Left’s much-hated twin, both being the fruit of the same socialist womb in the pre-war decades of the last century: the fact that International Socialism is le dernier cri whereas National Socialism is near-universally reviled merely shows what a thorough job the victorious Marxists in the academy and the media have done in dissociating themselves from the sins of their nationalist sibling.

There are exceptions of course (in America the average white-supremacist antisemite distrusts powerful interventionist government, and could not be said to be truly statist — a rather curious instance of American exceptionalism, perhaps). But for the most part, those who are called “Far Right” should really be called “Far Left”.

O! That the day would come, the grand family reunion! …When the scribblers at the Grauniad finally acknowledge that Hitler, Mussolini, Mosley and all the other populist utopian state-mongers have far closer blood ties with them and their readership than with Reagan, Thatcher or Churchill.

Here I ‘ll give you a free bonus:
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assimi
12 Nov 2009, 4:28PM
Bertyshalom, Epidermoid

I see what you did there, sooooo clever! Get them Goyim !

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And Moeran rantings about the Israeli death squads?

And this:
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assimi
12 Nov 2009, 4:38PM
I would quite literally be ashamed to be associated with Israel in any way, shape or form , yet out come the trolls day after day scrabbling and fighting their losing battle with increasingly outlandish and bizzare justifications.

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I’m really would like to hear your opinion about this outright and murderous hatred….

Clearly there is a massively overproportionate focus on I/P at CiF. But you can’t just put that down to Jew hatred.

Any other explanation?

Irreasonable hatred of Israel = Jew hatred.

Take this post:

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yorkandy
12 Nov 2009, 4:25PM
raze all zionist colonies and repatriate the occupants…….easy!

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Please explain that tolerating this kind of incitement is what? Anti-Zoroasterism?
If yorkandy consider the implementation of his suggested project is so easy maybe he personally should cooperate in it.
I would be very happy to prove him that there could be some difficulties on the way.

“I object to all such comparisons – but there is IMO no way you can automatically call them anti-Semitic. Likewise the Berlin Wall comparison.”

Not automatically.

But when criticism of Israel is using the same canards as antisemitic criticism of Jews (oppressive, conspiratory, greedy, racist etc), it is antisemitism.

I did explain why it is antisemitic. Comparing Israel to Nazis, Stalinists, Apartheid SA is antisemitic.

I object to all such comparisons – but there is IMO no way you can automatically call them anti-Semitic. Likewise the Berlin Wall comparison.

Where exactly have you actually explained why these are anti-Semitic allegations?

@ margie

Obviously today’s anti-Semites (well, most of them) are not stupid or crazy enough to peddle the old blood libel/matzo accusations. Their ways are indeed far more subtle.

Perhaps you missed what I said, i.e. that I likewise consider Bell’s choice of target inappropriate. But Bell’s cartoon is not “an objection to the protection of Jewish lives”. It’s a far more complex issue than that.

@ Guardian Hates Jews
Clearly there is a massively overproportionate focus on I/P at CiF. But you can’t just put that down to Jew hatred.

Personally I would welcome the removal of Anthony Lerman, Richard Silverstein and Ben White from CiF.

Part of me wants to say that armaros has a point: the Left and the Right are as bad as one another ( though the Guardianistas can always justify Stalinism to a certain extent ) and judeophobic to the core.

Part of me wants to say that all this energy expended on White, Freedman, Berchmans, and the rest, is way over the top. White and Freedman weren’t even born when the likes of AKUS, peterthehungarian, or myself were around, during the Yom Kippur War. How can their generation understand what Israel meant to us in ’67 or ’73 ?

Note to Hawkeye and co. : It’s not enough to rebut the antisemitism on CiF. You should create a space for positive, lyrical articles about Israel which will make the anti-Zionistas scream in rage and envy. AKUS, here’s your chance to show us what you can do. Don’t just mock ; get even !

Bye bye for now!