No entirely true. But the fighting often consisted in the “problem” of the wrong minorities living within the wrong borders i.e. ethnic cleansing or displacement. But very few contested the legitimacy of the existence of these states in some form.

picking up on your point, its interesting to note that the Arabs on the WB, who didn’t, of course, realize they were Palestinians till it became convenient for Arafat and various Arab countries to create the myth, never thought of fighting Jordan for control of the WB – or, for that matter, Jordan, till the days of Black September in 1970.

Of course, the Hashemite support for a palestinian state on the WB (and Gaza) is really a blind for their efforts to maintain their control of their kingdom – one of the few remaining absolute monarchies in the world.

If anything, Islamism served to deny Palestinians a state, in a spectacular own goal. Zionism was content with a Jewish state. Islamism was only content with a Palestinian Arab state in all historical Palestine (minus most of its Jews).

freewoman
1 Nov 09, 6:21pm
Well B
Islam allows a genocide against women within their own cultures and by their own families. So no it can’t wait as such violence self perpetuates and then is exported. It also leads to increases of population that no environment can support. Afghanistan nearly has the biocapacity of Rwanda before the genocide.Iraq is even lower.The proof of this are all the stats about violence towards women where there is effective law and where there is not and which countries have signed up to CEDAW without reservations. In countries informed by Islam there is only recently any protective law at all. And people on the ground are telling the truth of what happens. Abuse is rife in Af/Pak and always has been. It was in Iraq and still is. Anywhere there is honor killing there are high levels of abuse.They are murdered in the 10s of thousands by their own countrymen.
http://www.rawa.org/temp/runews/2009/10/24/according-to-ngos-90-percent-of-afghan-women-are-abused.html
all that is a pre existing condition.No it cant wait until everything is as Muslim men would like it. The way they have been doing things so far has been a disaster.People in the UK can set a lead in doing things better.

He shows his weaknesses as a writer very clearly:
He uses ”reluctantly” with no subject and no referent to introduce a crippled sentence and significantly, misspells ”peace”.

Here is another illogical broken sentence leaving us in the dark about what is known to whom: and the metaphor he hints at with ”get to ..” leaves this reader annoyed and unenlightened.
“Despite knowing, neither side seems able to get to “yes”, which is why the international community has to intercede.”

It is an excellent rebuttal by a rather lonely and courageous voice. One of the few who actually see things as they are and write what they think in a major British newspaper.

“Comment is Free” should be relabeled “Free Comment is Cheap”. No facts, just endless lies, fallacies, errors, and omissions there. Melanie, on the other hand, sticks to the facts, and presents them as they are.

BTW, the new Jeremy Sharon thread on CIF, “Writing Jews out of Jerusalem’s History” is a treasure trove of anti-Semitic comments. How the anti-Semites love that site!

“…The question remains, though, quite why Ed Husain feels so viciously towards me. I think it is indeed because of my support for Israel, on which subject he appears to be unbalanced and obsessional. In his Cif piece about me, he claims of me that anyone

“who opposes her views on Israel is either an Islamist or ‘in the Islamists’ camp’….

Given what you say that Hussain said to you, it looks like he’s under pressure again, but that shouldn’t be the occasion to libel you. Hussain is pathetic, as are all of his ilk, because they lack the sense of self to stand up against blatant lies and falsehood and are not above employing them themselves, as you have demonstrated, if they feel themselves to be under threat.

Ask yourself, why did he wilfully misrepresent your conversation with him? Was it to make his point (not beyond such a one, and we witness this often from his mentor in antisemitism, Bunglawala who seems capable of changing his mind as often as the wind changes direction) or did he really believe that what he wrote on CiF is true?

Under threat, rigid thinkers such as he are quite capable of blanking out what they don’t want to remember because it causes them so much emotional discomfort. Hussain gives himself away about this “coping strategy” when he admits that he has al-taqqeya’d himself out of similar threatening situations before.

Islamists always have an agenda. Push them and they cannot help but reveal it. You performed a great service, Melanie, by forcing Hussain to reveal his hand.

gipsylad (17 recommendations)
01 Nov 09, 10:53am (about 1 hour ago)
So, there they go again, the barking apologists of the racist state of Israel. Lies, half true statements, misinformation, propaganda and to top it all, one more re-writing of history. As usual, the criminals shout “No, don’t hurt me! This is not fair…” as he violently attacks his victims.
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And this?

inkedbloke (8 recommendations)
01 Nov 09, 11:10am (about 1 hour ago)
To be honest, I don’t really see why they can’t be written of of Jerusalem’s history, after all, doesn’t the book of Kings tell us that the place was once inhabited by a tribe called the Jebusites (Jerusalem was called Jebus then). I believe that once King David had conquered the city, the Israelites forced the Jebusites to become serfs; sauce for the goose and all that.
It does seem a bit rich for the modern day Isaeli Jews to base their claim to a patch of dirt on ancient books that clearly state what a bunch of thieving toerags their forefathers were – oh sorry, I forgot. God said they could nick it so that’s alright then.

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And this?

Quest2008 (15 recommendations)
01 Nov 09, 11:38am (about 1 hour ago

……….Comments like.
“Palestinian and Muslim leaders must desist from the incitement against Israel and the delegitimisation of the Jewish people’s connection to the land”
Are a joke, inaffect your saying as a Jew, God gave you Palestine, even though you were born in England.
As a native of England, where do you loyalties lie, England or Israel ?

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CIF must supply some fun to his faithful on a rainy Sunday….

juliantheprostate – I must reacquaint myself with the classics!

It’s an excellent analogy and it applies as much to Bunglawala, from whom Hussain admits he had regular lessons in antisemitism, as it does to Hussain himself.

Bunglawala is an arch example of al-taqiyya in operation as is his disciple. Let’s face it, anyone who sells his soul to CiF has either to be crazy or has been sailing under a false flag from the start.

This is not to say that I don’t believe that people can change, but it seems that one has only to scratch the likes of Bunglawala and Hussain to find Islamist ideology.

Thankfully both lack the insight to be able to see themselves as others see them.

I’ve been reading it for a long time now and she always has sharp and interesting things to say about British and world policy towards Israel, the Middle East, terrorism, etc.

That’s why people like this Ed Husain fellow find her so intimidating. She has never expressed a single bad word against Islam or Muslim people in general, just against the hijacking of Islam for sinister purposes.

We must have the greatest sympathy for Ed. He is rapidly turning into Anaximenes’ donkey [sorry if I have the wrong philosopher] – standing equidistantly between two piles of carrots, he dies of starvation through indecision as to which pile to eat.