Comments on: Defending the Indefensible: Whitaker making a fool of himself…again

By: canadaneil

canadaneil — Mon, 02 Nov 2009 17:31:40 +0000

I have just stumbled across this website. I think it is a good antidote to the disgusting (but strangely compelling) CiF. AKUS I enjoyed your posts – certainly didn’t always agree with them, but assumed you’d got fed up with posting. I didn’t realise you were banned. Quite a badge of honour!

I shall be following this site with interest

By: MindTheCrap

MindTheCrap — Sun, 01 Nov 2009 12:13:11 +0000

Pretzelberg:

I don’t understand why you think that I set a trap for Whitaker. As I have pointed out several times I was aware of the blatant absence of Guardian coverage in ‘real-time’ so I didn’t have to do homework to make my point (I added the link as proof for doubters). Whitaker chose to reply to me without checking the archives, which he then did later on after a string of comments supporting me were posted. His final comment (second-to-last on the thread) seems to prove my point rather than his contention that it was “rubbish”.

The moderator, as usual, deleted my initial comment but left Whitaker’s reply so readers saw his claim that I was ‘making up rubbish’ without seeing the reason why.

By: AKUS

AKUS — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 14:56:30 +0000

Guardian Hates Jews – actually, pretzel, with whom I have had some angry exchanges, seems to try to find the middle pat and frequently calls the idiots on their inventions about Israel – e.g., “carpet bombing gaza”.

I for one can accept someone actually trying to be fair – its the namokals, morons, papagalis and the like that are a waste of space.

By: Guardian Hates Jews

Guardian Hates Jews — Sat, 31 Oct 2009 06:09:56 +0000

Pretzelberg, there have always been excuses for anti-Semitism – and you are particularly adept at finding them.

By: Tony Lazzeri

Tony Lazzeri — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:38:02 +0000

Whenever Tony Lerman is getting ready to bash Israel, you know it will be preceded by a few crocodile tears about the holocaust. But Lerman will always tie the holocaust to an incident in which Muslims are victims. One thing Lerman will never admit about Israel. That is the fact that in 1999 Israel was the ONLY country willing to take in whole Bosnian families. The Europeans refused to take in whole families, fearing that they will stay forever. Israel sent EL Al airplanes to pick up entire Bosnian families, including some very elderly Bosnians and giving them refuge in Israel. There are Bosnian families in Israel today. Unlike Seth Freedman, the Bosnians in Israel are very grateful for their sage passage and don’t spend their days rooting under Israeli garbage cans desperate to find something to report negatively about.

By: HairShirt

HairShirt — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:18:57 +0000

John, I have just looked at the Tom Gross link you posted above. It seems that the Al-Babbler was busily building up his paranoid fantasies a long time ago.

Does anyone know if the Al-Babbler is a member of the NUJ? Perhaps it might be interested in his activities, particularly those which infringe 2, 3 and 4 of its Code above.

And I doubt that the Al-Babbler has the moral integrity to defend himself in the way set out in 8 above, either, and what he writes is certain contra to 10, in that he is deliberately selective in ways which feed hatred.

By: John

John — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:28:07 +0000

AKUS
See this own site’s article “If my MEMRI serves me well” here: http://cifwatch.com/2009/09/15/if-my-memri-serves-me-well/

And also Tom Gross on Whitaker here:
http://www.tomgrossmedia.com/mideastdispatches/archives/000662.html

In 2002, when Whitaker wrote the article “Selective Memri:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/aug/12/worlddispatch.brianwhitaker, his personal site – Al bab – contained no pages on Israel/Jews – he has since corrected that…

By: AKUS

AKUS — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:11:25 +0000

Silvertrees – if someone has the energy, it could make a good post – going through the list you linked to and demonstrating which articles the Guardian infringes, and where.

e.g:

“9. Takes no unfair personal advantage of information gained in the course of her/his duties before the information is public knowledge”

Probably aimed at semi-retired stockbrokers writing for CiF …

By: AKUS

AKUS — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 01:08:14 +0000

pretzel –

BTW your old friend talknic is back on the Freedman thread – as “whyisit ”

There goes the thread …

By: AKUS

AKUS — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:12:21 +0000

Its time to expose Whitaker’s “dual loyalty.”

Incredible.

pretzel – everyone can choose their own moniler – I don;t have to comment. But don’t you think that “GuardianisObsessedwithJews” might be a reasonable one?

You’ve been actibe on the Freedman thread – isn’t a total bore and waste of space for the umteenth time to see the same Freedman article and the same response?.

Anyway, his starting point was wrong – as SantaMoniker, the surfin’ babe pointed out, the IDF does not allow its soldiers to take political positions while surving.

By: Ariadne

Ariadne — Fri, 30 Oct 2009 00:03:30 +0000

SilverTrees: I can see why the NUJ one doesn't say "differentiates between fact and fiction".

By: Ariadne

Ariadne — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:59:57 +0000

Has anyone noticed that Whitaker turned up as the final poster on the thread?

He referred to two reports from the Guardian on Palestinians firing rockets pre-Cast Lead, 20 and 22 Dec..

It isn’t much to set against what Hawkeye has listed above.

By: SilverTrees

SilverTrees — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:55:50 +0000

“….Has that paper no sense of journalistic ethics at all?..

Yes, AKUS, let’s talk journalistic ethics:

http://www.spj.org/ethicscode.asp

This is an American document but its suggestions should apply worldwide:

Note that it says that journalists should:

“…—Avoid conflicts of interest, real or perceived.
— Remain free of associations and activities that may
compromise integrity or damage credibility…..

— Clarify and explain news coverage and invite dialogue with the
public over journalistic conduct.
— Encourage the public to voice grievances against the news
media.
— Admit mistakes and correct them promptly.
— Expose unethical practices of journalists and the news media..”

And at http://www.nuj.org.uk/innerPagenuj.html?docid=174, from the NUJ:

“Code of conduct

“The NUJ’s Code of Conduct has set out the main principles of British and Irish journalism since 1936. It is part of the rules and all journalists joining the union must sign that they will strive to adhere to it.

Members of the National Union of Journalists are expected to abide by the following professional principles:

A journalist:

1. At all times upholds and defends the principle of media freedom, the right of freedom of expression and the right of the public to be informed

2. Strives to ensure that information disseminated is honestly conveyed, accurate and fair

3. Does her/his utmost to correct harmful inaccuracies

4. Differentiates between fact and opinion

5. Obtains material by honest, straightforward and open means, with the exception of investigations that are both overwhelmingly in the public interest and which involve evidence that cannot be obtained by straightforward means

6. Does nothing to intrude into anybody’s private life, grief or distress unless justified by overriding consideration of the public interest

7. Protects the identity of sources who supply information in confidence and material gathered in the course of her/his work

8. Resists threats or any other inducements to influence, distort or suppress information

9. Takes no unfair personal advantage of information gained in the course of her/his duties before the information is public knowledge

10. Produces no material likely to lead to hatred or discrimination on the grounds of a person’s age, gender, race, colour, creed, legal status, disability, marital status, or sexual orientation

11. Does not by way of statement, voice or appearance endorse by advertisement any commercial product or service save for the promotion of her/his own work or of the medium by which she/he is employed

12. Avoids plagiarism.”

Are Whitaker or any others in this shower members of the NUJ?

Whitaker certainly and regularly breaches 2, 3, 4, and resoundingly and deliberately breaches 10.

By: AKUS

AKUS — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:09:10 +0000

Pretzel – if you think Moeran is bad, try this from Silverstein, writing about another attendee at the JStreet conference:

http://cifwatch.com/2009/10/27/mr-t-for-tolerance/

Another denizen of the right-wing Jewish deep slime, Hillel Stavis, crashed the panel, taking pictures of the panelists and attendees without authorization and had to be escorted from the room. Since he was a registered conference goer, J Street allowed him to remain in the hall even though he wrote a scummy report at his own blog complaining of his “shabby” treatment.

And Silverstein is fairly frequent contributor to CIF – not merely a nasty commentator.

What do you think of Whitaker’s dual role as CiF editor and running hos own blog “off the books”?

By: peterjjackson

peterjjackson — Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:08:08 +0000

@pretzelberg

You’re right. It is the comments that get to me. There are a couple about IDF ‘death squads’ that seem perfectly acceptable, for example.