“Shit the Guardian is Burning” were the ending words of the “Guardians of Iran” an article by The Alchemist published on CiF Watch yesterday and I cannot think of a more apt way to describe the anti-Israel vitriol that was pouring out of the Harold Evans thread yesterday.
In ‘A moral atrocity’, Harold Evans wrote an article highly critical of the Goldstone report which, rightly so, lambasted Britain for its failure to vote against the endorsement of the report in the UNHRC and exposed the double standards being applied to Israel.
Rather than comment on the merits of the article, the comment thread instantly became alit with comment after comment dripping with poisonous anti-Israel hatred so much so that it would put your typical Stormfront comment thread to shame.
Sam McGeesSmoke, one of the first commenters, set the tone of the thread with this.
SamMcGeesSmoke
20 Oct 09, 8:10amI was hoping for some incisive analysis from a great editor but he’s obviously just had a boozy lunch with the Israeli ambassador and written this directly afterwards
[recreated from sodabicarb’s comment 20 Oct 09, 8.41am]
Inspired by SamMcGeesSmoke’s comment, Weeper, Gareth 100 and JedFanshaw joined in with these comments:
Weeper
20 Oct 09, 10:24am
I stopped reading after the first paragraph, which makes clear that the Grauniad is giving space to yet another paid Israel apologist. What a clown!
Gareth100
20 Oct 09, 10:50am
I had a lot of time for Harold Evans back in the seventies with his inspired time at the Times, however advanced age seems to have withered his critical faculties. This piece could have been dictated to him word by word by Mark Regev. It’s such a shame that this mendacious piece adds a stain to an otherwise great reputation.
JedFanshaw
20 Oct 09, 12:01pm
Harold
how good of you to put your name to an article written by the Israeli Ministry of Propangandawell done, old chap!
Of course accusing those adopting a pro-Israel stance of being paid agents of the Jewish state is standard fare for Guardianistas. But hey what else do you expect when the commissioning editor of ‘Comment is Free’, Brian Whitaker, has himself made the very same accusation in the past.
Then there were the comments from the Guardinistas questioning how it was that the Guardian had the audacity to publish a pro-Israel article. It being such a rare instance on ‘Comment is Free’ you can hardly blame their poor polluted little souls.
Moeran
20 Oct 09, 8:11am
Why did The Guardian choose to publish theses racist calumnies?
[recreated from millfield’s 20 Oct 09, 8.50am comment – that was deleted without trace]
kikatrixx
20 Oct 09, 10:50am
who is this guy?
I’ve never read anything so lacking in balance.
Guardian – what the heck is this?Goto100
20 Oct 09, 9:25am
I’m sorry, but if you moderate extreme comments then the above “article” is equally, if not more deserving of deletion. Quite simply bollocks from start to finish. Please get rid of it and apologise.
IllegalCombatAnt
20 Oct 09, 12:20pm
After this travesty of an article the Guardian needs to restore some balance.
I’m sure Mullah Omar could be prevailed upon to share his views on the Palestine/Israel issue.
[Grauniad mods - IllegalComabatAnt appears to be an incarnation of Talknic]
20 Oct 09, 12:46pm
I think the Guardian should have looked more closely at this article, it’s almost a word for word copy of the points on the Israeli governments’ propaganda site, this is not the work of the alleged author it is pure Israeli generated propaganda and not worthy of an opinion piece.
If you check out more or less ANY political blog in the US, you will see adverts everywhere with bright orange animated text highlighting “THE TRUTH ABOUT GAZA”. I saw the adverts on the Huffington Post yesterday, I clicked through and it’s goes to Israel’s ministry of information website. On this site it raises the same utterly ridiculous points that the shill Harold Evans has raised. It’s in almost the exact same order, I really think the Guardian should either take down this willfully in-accurate comment piece or at least point to where the information has been plucked (I could suggest a few places).
If you do go to the Israeli propaganda site, don’t bother leaving feedback as you get a 404 error, all I said is “you bunch of f*******g liars” and I would say the same to Evans without using “bunch”.
And I think finally, we should heap praise on the UN and Goldstone for saying what the moral world believes. ISRAEL COMMITS WAR CRIMES AND CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY. Said loud and proud because it’s the UNDENIABLE TRUTH.
20 Oct 09, 3:01pm
Harold Evans said: “well, go through the practices of all 25 states voting to refer Israel to the security council for the Gaza war, and you have to acknowledge they know a lot about the abuse of humans.”
So it’s al lright for Israel to do these things because everyone else is just as bad?
Are you seriously forwarding that as any sort of argument? The last time I heard something similar was in the playground….”well, those boys over there are doing it as well.”
This article and Joseph Harker’s racist screed both on the same day. Is the Guardian pre-emptively trying to outdo Griffin’s scheduled ‘Question Time’ appearance?
Then there are those commenters that engaged in ad hominem attacks on the author of the article.
osamabinbush
20 Oct 09, 10:01am
Harold Evans – who is this idiot?
come on there has to be some limit to being shameless. Even Goebells will feel proud of this sort of shit being written.
petrifiedprozac
20 Oct 09, 8:57am
Harold Evans, you have lost the plot and need a brain transplant. How have you managed such a long career in journalism with such distortions. You obviously spent most of your time writing for the American equaivalent of Pravda.
A country that used the full might of a state of the art military against a rag bag enemy and killing so many women, children and old men in the process, was always going to be accused of war crimes. Even as the Gaza offencize was going on, one could clearly see the criminal negligence that was taking place.
As for Gaza not being occupied, it was effectively turned into a prison camp. If Gaza was free, Palestinians would be allowed to come and go at will, run an airport and a seaport. The Israelis allowed nothing such and even rationed fuel and other resources.
Shame on you.
20 Oct 09, 12:53pmThe reason Britain is in the shambles it’s in, is because of fools like Evans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Evans
For God’s sake, fuck off and leave us in peace, fool!
20 Oct 09, 1:10pmsydk
This arsehole sold us out to the Yanks.
The guy is a traitor to the British nation.
Poodles like Blair worked in the poluted space that spy’s Evans created.
Mr Evans has been living in the USA for so long he is beginning to believe all the pro israel bumf that the US media churns out every day. Either that or he is going senile.
I’ve not read such nonsense from a respected journalist for years.
Then you have the demonize Israel crew. Here’s a sampling:
Papalagi
20 Oct 09, 8:20am
the author speaks about tolerance of extrajudicial killings, the evictions of 800,000, rape and cruel treatment of prisoners; and finally torture.
I believe that all this is or has been practiced in Israel. Does the author want links about that?
JumpingFrank
20 Oct 09, 8:23am
Harold, you lost me at “the aggressor, Hamas, and punish the defender, Israel.”. For 60 years the state of Israel has oppressed Palestinians. They do indeed in law and spirit occupy Palestine, both the West Bank and Gaza. They may have withdrawn, but control access to the sea, the borders, and the airspace. Hamas are just the most recent incarnation of Palestinian resistance to Israeli oppression. Your article cobbles together racism, lies and interestingly enough the word morality. For SHAME.
KrustytheKlown
20 Oct 09, 9:27am
to do what the Israelis did – take a piece of land and build a model state.
I['m assuming what you meant to say was 'steal a piece of land and build a terror state'.
evanj
20 Oct 09, 10:15am
'No dobut there were blunders'.
No there weren't.
It wasn't defensive and it wasn't a war. It was strategic, planned, and a massacre. another one.
This piece, as others have highlighted, manages to pack more lies into a short space as to be a masterpiece.
It should be in school readers, with the simple instruction, 'discuss'.
The mouth drops, one gasps yet again in disbelief.
The great lie that is Israel is up their with Stalinist communism.
except the dupes of the latter didn't get such privileged access to the media.
Apart from the ongoing disaster that is daily life for Palestinians, the abomination that is Israel poisons everything it touches, not least a significant section of global Jewry itself.
Out damned spot.Nanome
20 Oct 09, 10:53am
I do not normally complain about being censored by the mods, there is, when all is said and done, no point. However I cannot see how it is illegitimate to make a psychiatric diagnosis of a nation. If one were to say that Stalin´s Russia was suffering from paranoia caught from its leader, or to say that Japan in 1942 was suffering from a psychosis engendered by the sanctification of the nation, people might disagree but they could hardly deny me the right to make the hypothesis. I cannot see therefore how I can be criticised for claiming that Israel, as a nation, is suffering from a paranoid psychosis engendered by its attempts to justify its original taking of Palestinian land and the removal of its peoples, and that this psychosis, if not dealt with, will lead to the complete appropriation of Palestinian land and the subjugation of its people. Argue against my thesis by all means, but censorship?
It is time for epidermoid to grasp the fact that people burned to death or dismembered as a punishment for the leaders are victims; that children tortured and abused are victims, whether or not they threw a stone at an APC, that the dispossessed.....
I'm wasting my time, aren't I? They're Palestinians. Not like us.
And then we have the trope that “rabbis in the army encourage soldiers to show little or no mercy to Gazan civilians”.
bergamo
20 Oct 09, 8:34am
Israel holds thousands of Palestinians in jail without trial for years.
Israel has allowed rabbis in the army to encourage soldiers to show little or no mercy to Gazan civilians, and preaching what anywhere else would be called racist propaganda.
Israel denies its own citizens, mostly of course of Arab descent, the right to marry a Palestinian and take him or her to live in Israel.
In Israel police have tried to stamp out opposition to Cast Lead violently.
The chances of an Israeli killing or otherwise harming a Palestinian being brought to justice are much less than those of a Palestinian doing the same to an Israeli.
Where is, pray, Mr. Evans, your vaunted independent judiciary?
And insofar as Italy's courageous stance, as an Italian, let me remind you Italy sides always with the powerful. Its sucking up to the USA has been heard from Udine to Catania.
And here is one that takes a dig at the “God’s chosen people”. But rest assured they really mean those pesky Zionists - its Guardianspeak you know.
SELAVY
20 Oct 09, 8:46am
Brigadier Barking
***A summary of the above article:
Other countries also commit atrocities therefore:
1. It's OK if we do too.
2. It's not fair to point out that we do too.
3. If they do why can't we?
4. Waaah, waaah everyone's against us!! ***
Yes, as usual.
Plus the subtext : "As God's Chosen People" we can treat other nations and people with utter contempt.The laws of the world do not apply to us.
And where would CiF be without special mention of the GIYUS brigade?
Ozleftie
20 Oct 09, 8:48am
Before reading this article, I always regarded Mr Evans as a courageous and independent thinker, even something of a journalistic hero with his great work at the pre-Murdoch Sunday Times. Unfortunately for me, he has now shredded that reputation with this utterly dishonest and highly blinkered piece of Zionist mendacity.
Perhaps Mr Evans has spent too long in New York, socialising exclusively with the GIYUS brigade over there and thus losing all semblance of journalistic impartiality when it comes to Israel in favour of outrageous Zionist hasbara.
And here is an example of how Guardianistas display utter disdain for Jewish life:
MilesSmiles
20 Oct 09, 9:05am
Well how facetious is that? If teh 8 year old boy is firing rockets at you or your kin that have the potential to kill you I suppose would give him an indulgent pat on his head and apologise to him for being in his range of fire!!!
Since, 7500 rockets have been fired for a total kill count of 15 people, giving a 0.2% chance of being killed, I think I'd probably moon him for fun.
And here's one minimalizing the Holocaust (a form of Holocaust denial):
euanramsay
20 Oct 09, 9:46am
this is the moral equivalent of holocaust denial
And here is something totally off-topic. Well on second thoughts no since it’s a Jew-bashing thread.
CetCenseo
20 Oct 09, 10:00am
The US has a powerful Israeli lobby. We have a powerful Islamic lobby. It would be nice if American and British foreign policy was built for Americans and Britons.
Then we have one of the most idiotic comments by Dan Rickman (a/k/a Leftwingorthodoxjew) - we don't call him a useful idiot for nothing!
Leftwingorthodoxjew
20 Oct 09, 9:32am
Contributor
SELAVY
Plus the subtext : "As God's Chosen People" we can treat other nations and people with utter contempt.The laws of the world do not apply to us.
I didn't like this article either but writing nonsense such as this doesn't help anyone - it reads as an attack on all Jews which I presume you don't mean? [emphasis added] The concept of Jews being a Chosen People is a basic part of Judaism and one which has been misused and misunderstood time and again – how does it help anyone in the I/P conflict to perpetuate misunderstandings – this is what the extremists want.
MilesSmiles
Since, 7500 rockets have been fired for a total kill count of 15 people, giving a 0.2% chance of being killed, I think I’d probably moon him for fun.
even assuming you figures are accurate (which I am not sure they are) try and apply some imagination to the situation people are in.
The issue as ever is that there are extremists on all sides of the I/P conflict who want to use the atrocities or perceived atrocities of the other side to justify increasingly extreme measures and deeper misunderstanding. They do this because they don’t want any resolution other than complete victory which is almost certainly unattainable. As such, they are very good at making the world in their own image and sowing despair rather than hope.
The question for people commenting here is how do progressive forces help counter this sort of thing? I see a lot of propaganda of all sorts here but very little constructive criticism or suggestions. There has been fault and failure on all sides – however Nazi analogies don’t help understanding. What is required is some honest assessment which becomes almost impossible in the heat and light generated by propagandists
Well I have news for you Dan, when Selavy refers to “God’s Chosen People” he, she or it means you just like the rest of us. Don’t be so bloody naïve. And what’s more if he, she or it reserved the “God’s Chosen People” comment for Zionists like myself you should just as equally take offense to that. The fact that you are trying to exempt yourself from Selavy’s obviously racist slur is very telling.
And what would a CiF thread be without enforcement of the GWV? Here are a selection of pro-Israel comments on the thread that were deleted (all of anotherdayanother’s comments were deleted without trace) leaving only a few solitary pro-Israel comments standing among a sea of anti-Israel comments.
NoOneCares
20 Oct 09, 8:38am
BaraLawr said “You should not complain that Israel is held to higher standard than China, Egypt and Nigeria. It is supposed to be a fully developed democracy.”
But you see, there’s a problem with this formula. You want to compare Israel with other democratic nations, I’m all for it. So I’ll tell you what, you find a democratic nation which has been under attack for 60 years, whether it be wars with nations or terrorist organizations. Whose civilian population is regularly under missile attack, who for years lived through the horror of sending their children to school and pizza parlors with smart bombs walking the street, and I’ll be glad to make that comparison.
Because to compare Israel with other democratic nations like the US or UK, in which people that don’t like you peacefully (not so peacefully anymore) protest in the streets with placards and write letter campaigns, is like comparing pre-meditated murder to a ride in the bumper cars at your local fourth of July carnival. You see, Israel isn’t facing protesters with placards, they are facing terrorists with missles who have already declared to the world their intention, to kill Israelis, and with a fanatic nation, Iran, who has proudly declared they have signed up 100,000 volunteers to be suicide bombers that will be parachuted into Tel Aviv and Jerusalem to massacre innocent Israelis.
Does Israel really want to be compared to maniacs like these? To organizations that use the murder of innocents as a weapon? To terrorist governments that attack another nation from behind their own civilians? To dictatorial regimes run by religious fanatics that conduct wholesale slaughter on their own population?
And I say without any hesitation, a definitive yes!
Israel is a Middle Eastern nation surrounded by countries that have attacked it for 60 years. It is now surrounded by proxy armies that have been purposely built and trained to attack and kill Israelis. It is not negotiating a trade union issue as might happen between Italy and the UK. Israel is not trying to negotiate a economic stimulus to assist its population in preserving their jobs throughout the economic downturn, it is fighting to protect the lives of its citizens.
So I say yes! Compare us with Iran, compare us with Hezbollah, and compare us with Hamas. There’s certainly no justifiable reason for comparing us with Belgium, where their biggest worry is the rampant pedophilia and abuse of children by entire communities, or to the Spanish who’s biggest worry is about what time to take their siesta, most of which have probably never even met a Jew.
Israel must be compared to these other nations it is up against. Yes, it is a democracy, yes it must do its best to be an upstanding citizen of the world community, to be sensitive to innocent civilians and do its best to find peaceful solutions to its conflicts, but as much as Israel has in common with many of these nations, a democratic government, freedom for its citizens, it has one major thing in common in common with the nations surrounding it, missles and bullets and their desire to kill Israelis and reap destruction in any way shape or form opportunity provides.
And the stopping of missles from raining on our children is more important to us than trade union disagreements and yes, the economic downturn.
In no uncertain terms, compare Israel with these undemocratic, oppressive and murderous regimes, be proud of it. Announce it to everyone in the world, let them know and understand that as much as they think conflicts need to be solved peacefully, and as much as we agree with that, the decision is up to the person that chooses to use their body as a human bomb, and not up to the person who wants to sit around a table and negotiate.
anotherdayanother
20 Oct 09, 9:25am
Papalagi said “What you say makes very little sense. Israel not only answered to attacks, Israel provoked attacks according to a few Israeli authors like Uri Avnery, Ran HaCohen, Gideon Levy. “
Yes Papalagi, we understand you only quote those Israeli writers that think that Israel should not be a Jewish state and therefore in its currentl form needs to be destroyed, just of like you.
anotherdayanother
20 Oct 09, 9:57am
JennM provides us the answer as to why everyone is so ignorant on the conflict. She said “
“All I saw were the cluster bombs that killed so many, and also the horrible death toll for the Palestinians that far outweighs anything the Hamas inflicted on Isreal.”
She didn’t see the 12,000 missles falling in Israel for 8 years. She doesn’t want to see the terror Israeli children live in. She doesn’t want to see the death and destruction caused by missles and suicide bombers.
She only chooses to see the suffering of the Palestinians, with no connection to exactly why they are suffering. With no connection to the methods used by hamas, the democratically elected Palestinian government.
Pyrrhonist
20 Oct 09, 11:19am
Badgermania
“Fool”, “gangster”-no ad hominem attacks at all, then?At least the BNP openly says they don’t like Jews-with most of the posters here try to cover their tracks with pseudo-humanitarian pseudo-progressive garbage. And they are probably whingeing about Griffin. Hypocrites.anotherdayanother
20 Oct 09, 12:22pm
JedFanshaw said “It’s a great shame the The Grauniad can’t display the posts in the colour they are written in – then we’d all see that you write with green ink”
No Jed, the real shame is that they refuse the publish comments that don’t agree with their own political agenda and delete them into eternity in order to push their own, narrow political agenda, and work as a mouthpiece for extremists .
20 Oct 09, 1:04pm
As usual Israel is being accused here of defending itself,this is an alien concept to certain posters here that Israel is capable of or should defend itself,in their minds Israel should have sat tight forever, and let the thousands upon thousands of missiles rain down on it’s women and children’s heads.
Hamas has learned a very good and useful lesson from Cast Lead,they learned that for every one their blood thirsty actions against the State of Israel,there will a very forceful and immediate reaction from the IDF.
And if you’ve managed to wade through all of this, let me end with a parting comment from efficacious:
efficacious
20 Oct 09, 11:48am
This just goes to show that there are posters here who just can’t handle the truth,especially when the truth is about Israel.
They are so used to articles that show Israel in a bad light that the truth about Israel just doesn’t register with them.
A well written,truthful,pragmatic,and most important a sober article
So Georgina, Matt and Brian what do you have to say then? Where’s your zero tolerance for antisemitism?
This is the monster you have created and you should all be utterly ashamed of yourselves.
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October 21, 2009 at 12:52 am
Guardian Hates Jews
Thank you for exposing the Guardian’s virulently anti-Semitic agenda, no less depraved than the Libre parole or the Dearborn Independent, and differing only in degree from the Stürmer.
October 21, 2009 at 2:00 am
margie
Facts are ignored,imaginations are allowed to run free. The laws of logic fact and honesty are forgotten in the attempt to blacken Israel’s name. Look at the level of sheer ignorance and malicious invention displayed by this commenter
bailliegillies
“Egypt controls part of the border. Secondly, Israel does not control every aspect of Palestinian life in Gaza – Hamas rule in Gaza as the de facto government. Thirdly, Israeli security forces do not roam the streets of Gaza at will.”
Indeed, you are correct about Egypt but then government of that benighted country has sold it’s soul for American gold. and does Israel’s bidding on Gaza’s southern border, while Israeli F-16s and drones fly above attacking suspects tunnels binging in food and medicines. IDF death squads certainly roam the streets of Gaza, as they do in the West Bank, killing at will who they wish. (20 recommendations for this!)
(my emphasis)
Its still there twenty one hours later! What I ask is the function of commods? This is LIBEL. I wonder whether anyone has ever considered the fact that seeing that CIF has an active moderation team that does not del with it, this kind of deliberate smearing could perhaps be considered actionable?
October 21, 2009 at 2:04 am
Jonathan Hoffman
Hawkeye I hope you had a long shower after this.
Shame on The Guardian for creating this behemoth.
October 21, 2009 at 3:19 am
armaros
you will need a colon cleanse after this Tomansky thread
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/video/2009/oct/19/jstreet-aipac-schumer-gillibrand-lobby?commentpage=1
October 21, 2009 at 4:03 am
JerusalemMite
This just goes to show that there are posters here who just can’t handle the truth,especially when the truth is about Israel. They are so used to articles that show Israel in a bad light that the truth about Israel just doesn’t register with them.
The above words encompass very nicely my feelings about The Guardian/CIF groupies.
All under the protective umbrella opened by the present Guardian Management.
October 21, 2009 at 4:09 am
JerusalemMite
Its still there twenty one hours later! What I ask is the function of commods? This is LIBEL. I wonder whether anyone has ever considered the fact that seeing that CIF has an active moderation team that does not del with it, this kind of deliberate smearing could perhaps be considered actionable?
Try publishing on a thread about Muslim extremists and their attempts to emulate the Prophet that the Prophet had a penchant for 6 year old girls.
See how quickly that will be whisked into the ‘great unknown’.
CI(F) happily allows groupies to post – ‘Israel carpet bombed Gaza’ or ‘Israel is an apartheid state’. This ‘opinion’ is not cause for removal.
Try ‘The Prophet was a pedophile’ to see moderators in action to defend ‘free speech’. A historical fact.
Such is the ‘bubble’ of CI(F).
October 21, 2009 at 4:09 am
FoolMeTwice
margie
It’s libel. It’s also hate speech- effectively comparing Israel to the Nazis. Once the comment has been reported, by at least one user (was it?) and the comment is still there, it’s the Guardian who are liable.
The guardian are also responsible for not banning these users.
October 21, 2009 at 4:30 am
nicoleS
Margie said: ‘I wonder whether anyone has ever considered the fact that seeing that CIF has an active moderation team that does not del with it, this kind of deliberate smearing could perhaps be considered actionable?’ Does anyone know if this is so? And if it is, would it be worth taking action? I doubt if anyone pays any attention to CiF comments, apart from the idiots who post them. On the other hand, it seems intolerable to let the Guardian get away with spreading preposterous lies which gain credibility from its reputation as a highly respected broadsheet.
October 21, 2009 at 4:42 am
peterthehungarian
There is an article on CIF by Freedland condemning the Tories because their alliance with far-rightist parties in the EP.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2009/oct/20/conservatives-european-allies-holocaust-deniers
One of the uncensored posts by the same illegalcombattant quoted in the article:
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IllegalCombatAnt
20 Oct 09, 8:42pm (about 11 hours ago)
Why is it that we are not allowed to debate the Holocaust?
Why is it that academics who try to do so have their funding cut off or lose their tenures?
Who came up with the 6 million figure?
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Maybe s/he is a member of the Conservative Party?
An other one
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Enough crap about this “Polish anti-semitism”.
Poland was the first country to open its doors to jews in the late middle ages when every other country persecuted them; they were given full rights and resposiblilties of Polish citizenship, they thrived and among other things had the world’s largest rabbinical school in the world, culminating in a pre-WWII population of over three million jews ( about 10% of the total), but if you asked a jew about his nationality he would almost invariably answer Jewish, not Polish — witness the fact that when Hitler’s legions invaded the country you would be hard pressed to find any jews joining the armed forces to defend the country that had welcomed them and given them full citizenship for centuries.
OK, so they were not liked, hardly surprising— but is that really anti-semitism? When it came to the crunch and Poland was occupied by Hitler’s hordes seeking out jews for extermination, sure there were some who collaborated, but a hell of a lot more hid them out of simple Christian compassion, risking their and their families’ lives. At the same time there were plenty of jewish collaborators (see “The Pianist”, a movie made by a jewish director based on the experiences of a Polish jew). The claquing crowds babbling about Polish anti-semitism conveniently omit to mention the massive jewish involvement in Stalin’s secret police and persecution and murder of Poles.
As for the Holocaust, a German crime againsrthumanity, sure it happened , but why is any attempt to review the accuracy of the official, jewish- sponsored version immediately labelled as “Holocaust denial” ?
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The Guardian CIF at its best
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October 21, 2009 at 5:01 am
Demeter
Margie, you may have seen Medusa’s article here – “Lies, Big Lies and Comment is Free.”
I agree with its thrust and most disturbing is the tendency for big lies to be believed without reality testing, because they feed into prejudices and preconceived ideas. The Guardian and CiF are a disgrace because they actively and knowingly bring this about, and enable such poison to spread. I don’t know whether this sort of behaviour is actionable or not – they would probably argue that it’s “freedom of expression” – but there are certainly double standards. For example, could any of us imagine the same hate-filled poison being allowed and spouted there against black people or against Muslims or any other ethnic minority? I can’t and indeed nor should it be.
All of which begs the question as to why this sort of venomous and visceral Jew-hatred is not only tolerated but apparently encouraged by a once-great newspaper, to the extent that the perpetrators of it are given free reign to foam at the mouth with it, and the people who are supposed to keep up the “standards” of CiF (such as they are, and they are questionable) are so used to the smell of it in their nostrils that they no longer notice it.
Hawkeye – I think you should invite Matt Seaton to come here and explain to us why he and the Editorial Staff allow it.
October 21, 2009 at 5:11 am
peterthehungarian
In ‘A moral atrocity’, Harold Evans wrote an article highly critical of the Goldstone report which, rightly so, lambasted Britain for its failure to vote against the endorsement of the report in the UNHRC and exposed the double standards being applied to Israel.
Rather than comment on the merits of the article, the comment thread instantly became alit with comment after comment dripping with poisonous anti-Israel hatred so much so that it would put your typical Stormfront comment thread to shame.
The CIF editors is now joining forces with the posters comissioning an article by one more as a jew Michael Lerner. The headline of the article:
The global choir of ethical cretins who condemn Goldstone’s Gaza report do Israel no favours
The first sentence:
I recently met a leading representative of the foreign ministry of Israel who acknowledged to me “off the record” that Israel had made a tremendous blunder in refusing to cooperate with the UN Commission led by Judge Richard Goldstone,
This piece of subsilverstein moron says that leading representatives of the Israeli FM are discussing their policy matters with him and thinks that any reasonable reader would believe this outright lie?
Then later in the spirit of the subheadline:
Unfortunately, Israel’s predictable choir of ethical cretins around the world have joined in condemning Goldstone and the UN instead of urging Israel to investigate the charges by creating an impartial, objective and open process in which the victims can testify and the perpetrators can be brought to justice.
CIF now allows personal abuse to its authors if they are representatives of the GWV even if this abuse directed against other contributors.
October 21, 2009 at 5:31 am
John
So Harold Evans is an ‘ethical cretin’ according to Lerner and – by extension – the Guardian?
Were I to post, for example, that I consider Lerner or Freedman to be an ‘ethical cretin’ do you think my post would be deleted?
CiF’s community standards has as its first guideline the following:
1. We welcome debate and dissent, but personal attacks (on authors, other users or any individual), persistent trolling and mindless abuse will not be tolerated. The key to maintaining guardian.co.uk as an inviting space is to focus on intelligent discussion of topics.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/community-standards
So presumably both the sub-editor and Lerner are in breach of this first guideline? But – be still my beating heart – is it possible that when it comes to Israel, the Guardian has a different set of guidelines. Surely not!
October 21, 2009 at 5:50 am
FoolMeOnceOrTwice
I can lower myself to the Guardian’s level too:
An ‘ethical cretin’- spoken by an ‘ethical douchebag’.
October 21, 2009 at 7:09 am
peterthehungarian
Look who is talking about ethical cretins:
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=36178
A former 1960s radical, Michael Lerner is the founder of Tikkun magazine, a publication that blends the scriptures of the Old Testament with the economic and social doctrines of Karl Marx. A frequent speaker on college campuses across the United States, Lerner brings this curious mix of religion and radical politics to the student audiences he addresses. In each appearance, as a way of legitimating his anti-Israel message, Lerner is introduced as a “rabbi.” In fact, his ordination ceremony took place within the context of the “Jewish Renewal” movement — a sort of “New Age” Judaism whose origins trace back to the counter-culture of the late Sixties and early Seventies, and whose ordinations are recognized by virtually no one outside the movement.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Lerner_(rabbi)#Controversy
Lerner describes some of his views as “very controversial,” particularly his views about building peace between Israel and the Palestinians. In 2003, the San Diego Jewish Journal described Lerner as “the most controversial Jew in America,” writing that “He is relentlessly critical of Israel. He eulogizes Rachel Corrie. And he’s done more for peace than any conservative we know.” That same year, the executive editor of the The Jewish Exponent wrote that Lerner “supports every measure against Israel short of its immediate destruction and often makes common cause with those who do plot the eradication of Israel’s Jews.”
In 1997, former Tikkun editors accused Lerner of publishing pseudonymous letters to the editor that he himself had written. While many of the letters were laudatory (“Your editorial stand on Iraq said publicly what many of us in the Israeli peace camp are feeling privately but dare not say.”), a few were critical (“Have you gone off your rocker?”). Lerner admitted that he had fabricated the letters but said his only mistake was not informing readers that the authors’ names were pseudonyms.
October 21, 2009 at 7:50 am
John Brown
The Guardian seems to be on a lonely campaign to try and create the impression that the Goldstone report is a great, fair and balanced piece of work. While it may find itself in the company of various Arab, Persioan and anti-Semitic blogs in doing so, it will be by itself among saner Western media.
So we now have the Lerner piece that PetertheHungarian has alerted us to, and, Goldstone in his own words has just surfaced as an article, lamenting, as-a-Jew and no doubt as-a-Zionist, “Israel’s Lost Opportunity”.
Shame on the Guardian, and shame on them.
October 21, 2009 at 8:08 am
Chas N-B
“This is the monster you have created and you should all be utterly ashamed of yourselves.”
Absolutely correct that they created this monster. They’re a disgraceful bunch.
October 21, 2009 at 8:41 am
Ariadne
A reasonable person might think that Ci(F) could wallow no further in ordure but – any bets?
October 21, 2009 at 8:48 am
peterthehungarian
The article of Goldstone is simply pathetic.
He claims:
Five weeks after the release of the report of the fact-finding mission on Gaza, there has been no attempt by any of its critics to come to grips with its substance.
He conveniently forgot the countless professional and factual criticism by different competent persons and institutions including the Israeli government or is he so self absorbed that even didn’t hear about them?
Interestingly not a word about the role of prof. Chinkin.
Anyway all of his (naturally as a Jew) bullshit has been totally destroyed by PetraMB, Farina, asaday and others. If anybody is interested to read them, this is the high time to do it because most of the debunking posts have been deleted already. Anyway Cifwatch should store and republish them here after deletion on CIF
deathbyguardian
21 Oct 09, 1:10pm (15 minutes ago)
I wonder with all the unethical work the Guardian moderators do during their day, deleting posts for political reasons and all, if it will have an impact on a future career in journalism. I’ll have to do more work to see if their names are available anywhere on this website, on the internet, linkedin, etc. to be sure that the suppression of free speech they are participating in today is noted to future employers.
With that said:
b>GUARDIAN MODERATORS CENSOR POSTS BASED ON POLITICAL BIAS
They completely delete comments from their blogs that don’t agree with their political agenda.
Shame on you Guardian for .
And when a good comment appears on the first page of comments after an article, they are particularly sure to eliminate it, so that visitors will only see it if they dig through the comments.
Isn’t that sneaky. And with that said, here’s the post I had on the first page of the article under asadday which you can all see was deleted. Its reproduced here word for word. And anyone that reads it can come to the obvious conclusion that it was unethically censored for no reason other that it doesn’t agree with the Guardian’s Twisted Political Agenda that includes providing logitistical support for the terrorist organiziation Hamas in the media.
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Indeed it is a sad day Mr. goldstone. For all of your good intentions (and they say the way to hell is paved with good intentions), you do not realize not only the injustice inherent in your report, but the damage to the greater good and human rights of the very people you want to protect, the innocent civillians, both Palestinians and Israelis.
You want Israel to stand up to the challenge and take the opportunity to use your report and make theirs a better society, and lament the fact that they are rejecting your report out of hand.
Yet it is you, my dear sir, and your mandate that has in itself pushed Israel to the point that they both cannot and will not address the items in your report, due precisely to that mandate, and its making a moral equivalence between two sides, one a soverign nation protecting its electorate from the rain of missles, the other, that uses its electorate for protection as it launches missles at the other side.
You were quoted as saying “We did not deal with the problems of conducting military operations in civilian areas. We avoided having to do so in the incidents we decided to investigate.”
So let me ask you this, was your goal in investigating the results of the Gaza war and the death and destruction in its wake to understand the true reasons for its consequences? Or was it to assign blame primarily on one side while almost completely ignoring the actions of the other side which undeniably led to the tragic results we saw?
For how, my dear sir, can you dare to claim that you are determine the causes of the tragedy that had taken place in this war, the moral responsbility for the death and destruction, without taking into consideration both intent and circumstance. Without fully examining both sides, and finally without examining the results of this conflict in the light of other conflicts around the globe, their drivers, the methods used in battle, and their results?
No Mr. Goldstone, you are mistaken. And it is not just the state of Israel that is saying so. The very founder of the organization you chaired until your need to step down to investigate the results in Gaza, Human Rights Watch has called you and HRW’s version of Human rights out for what it is. So has Harold Evans in this very publication yesterday.
Mr. goldston, your report was Blind Injustice.
It did nothing less than convert the concept of Human rights from being a noble process of protecting the rights of all peoples, within context of the greater imperfect world we live in, into a weapon to be used against only those very people that do their upmost to uphold the value of morality and human rights, by the very people that trample on the rights of their own civlilians.
Indeed, your report is nothing less than an Indictment of Morality in War.
October 21, 2009 at 8:51 am
peterthehungarian
An other good post by Farina
farina
21 Oct 09, 1:14pm (10 minutes ago)
Judge Goldstone, I am open mouthed at your categorical assertion that there has been no attempt by any of the report’s critics to come to grips with its substance. Such categorical statements bodes ill for the quality of the fact finding in the report.
There are countless very carefully argued critiques of the report, excluding any ad hominems. I would like to hear your response, just for example, to Chief Rabbi of SA Warren Golstein’s (he holds a PhD in human Rights Law) whose analysis finds serious procedural and substantive flaws in the report.
One of the most magisterial analyses is to be found at
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/search/label/Goldstone%20Report
This blogger has so far produced a 21 part analysis which appears to destroy a great deal of the “fact” finding, some of it, regarding the stats you use, based on his own research which seems irrefutable.
There is certainly a prima facie case that cries out for you to respond to arising out of the elder’s critique alone.
And what of your interview with the Forward and Dershowitz’ comments thereto? That to me is the most reprehensible aspect of the entire affair; that you have not yourself more widely publicised the qualifications and reservations you expressed in this interview.
Your present post is naive in its hurt and distress that your report has been misused; a man of your experience cannot plead such ingenuousness. I know you from SA, as both my husband and I were deeply involved in legal representation of anti apartheid activists, (my husband appeared before you in the Beverly Traub case) and am sorry that such an admirable career has come to this.
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October 21, 2009 at 1:40 pm
MITNAGED
It beggars belief that, having sunk CiF well and truly into the moral abyss about “The global choir of ethical cretins who condemn Goldstone’s Gaza report do Israel no favours..” by Lerner, the somewhat challenged Queen Bee of CiF feels constrained to comment at all. But does she apologise? Heck no! She has the utter nerve to argue that he didn’t mean to offend, that it was “colloquial”
And to leap from the truly sublime ignorance of the morally challenged to the utterly ridiculous – Henry appears to believe that she has to consult with the Guardian’s style guide (???) to get some idea of whether the people whose strings she pulls are being thoroughly offensive or not!
It’s as has been written here before – she’s been neck deep in the ordure for so long that she doesn’t realise that she smells to high heaven
Her inane post follows:
21 Oct 09, 12:34pm (38 minutes ago)
Staff Staff
Thanks to those of you who have raised the issue of Michael Lerner’s use of the phrase “choir of ethical cretins”. The intention was clearly not to offend in that he was using it in its colloquial sense, and in a general way. But I have asked the editor of the Guardian’s style guide (where the word is currently not mentioned) whether guidance should be included on its use. Since we’ve taken the point on board, perhaps the thread could now concentrate on debating the merits of his argument.
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October 21, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Serendipity
Henry: “… perhaps the thread could now concentrate on debating the merits of his argument..”
And of course every time people try, their posts are slung into the wide blue yonder…
Henry is getting more and more divorced from reality.
October 21, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Sergio Bramsole
” Revround
21 Oct 09, 6:47pm (23 minutes ago) Recommend? (5)
Thank you. You do our specie credit.
Many Israeli artists have been isolated and rejected by their religious community ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/21/goldstone-report-israel-gaza-war-crimes-un?commentpage=6&commentposted=1
Apparently five scumbags even recommend this vile comment.
October 21, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Serendipity
peterthehungarian, Goldstone is similarly divorced from reality. What “substance?” How can anything so riddled with bias and evidentiary double standards, selection of incidents, misrepresentations of law and fact, simplistic approaches to complex military challenges, minimizing of terrorist threats – and vindicating terrorist tactics, dismissal of national investigations and legal systems. one-sided recommendations, which was conducted by a team whose biases were known about even before the mission took place have “substance” or moral authority?
October 21, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Sergio Bramsole
persecuteme
21 Oct 09, 6:46pm (35 minutes ago)
I wonder with all the unethical work the Guardian moderators do during their day, deleting posts for political reasons and all, if it will have an impact on a future career in journalism. I’ll have to do more work to see if their names are available anywhere on this website, on the internet, linkedin, etc. to be sure that the suppression of free speech they are participating in today is noted to future employers.
With that said:
GUARDIAN MODERATORS CENSOR POSTS BASED ON POLITICAL BIAS
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/21/goldstone-report-israel-gaza-war-crimes-un?commentpage=6
Excellent comment. I am with you all the way.
October 21, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Sergio Bramsole
“Revround
21 Oct 09, 6:47pm (23 minutes ago)
Thank you. You do our specie credit.
Many Israeli artists have been isolated and rejected by their religious community ”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2009/oct/21/goldstone-report-israel-gaza-war-crimes-un?commentpage=6
October 21, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Yohoho
Mitnaged, that is staggering.
How on earth, given CiF’s ignominious record in relation to Israel and Jews, could the intention of anything smelly written there be understood at all (“clearly” or otherwise) not to be meant to be offensive?
October 21, 2009 at 2:45 pm
MindTheCrap
I intend to use the phrase “ethical cretin” in every post tomorrow. Let’s see them delete me !
October 21, 2009 at 3:24 pm
sababa
peterthehungarian, were you not the one complimented once by some Cif-veteran (LaRit?) as a “cockroach”?
Just in case you collect Cif-cockroach comments, here’s one more, from oalexander’s longer post on “Rabbi” Lerner’s thread
21 Oct 09, 4:34pm
“My general respect for Israel and the grand majority of its citizenry is lower than what I can afford for a cockroach.”
Ehm, and some important announcement, boys and gals, listen, blease, Sethele is trying hard to get some attention:
in the past few days he offered his insights into the art market, campaigned for a Palestinian arrested and detained by Israel, and today he holds forth about Blair being insulted by a Palestinian in Hebron. Now this one should be a real crowd pleaser, no?
As far as I could see from a quick scan through the comments, Moron agrees with Moron that it’s a wonderfullll, wwwwwwonderfullllll piece!
October 21, 2009 at 3:35 pm
peterjjackson
The Tomasky thread mentioned earlier contains the following startling comment:
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TheGreatGigInTheSky
20 Oct 09, 1:27pm
Thanks MT
Very refreshing to see someone dare to mention “Israel” on CiF in anything but glowing adoration, and not be censored.
There doesn’t seem to be a way of being critical of Israel’s actions, BTL, and keeping the posting up.
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October 21, 2009 at 3:45 pm
TomWonacott
Demeter
“…..The Guardian and CiF are a disgrace because they actively and knowingly bring this about, and enable such poison to spread…..”
You are right on the money, Demeter. Fictional news always appears on page one, retractions on page 1224. The truth has never gotten in the way of the propaganda war being waged against Israel in the media. Unfortunately, the biased reporting of the media (especially concerning Operation Cast Lead) has damaged Israel’s image world-wide (the goal, of course), and remains a significant influence on public perceptions of Israel. Hamas could not have hoped for a better outcome. Only 500-1000 civilians sacrificed, they are still in power, and look at the payoff: the Goldstone Report.
As the posters exposed by CIF Watch demonstrate, the lies propagated by the left/Islamist remain in circulation no matter how many times you refute them.
October 21, 2009 at 5:01 pm
John Brown
The responses to Harold Evans’ article illustrate, as nothing else could, the depths to which a once respected newspaper has sunk, and Georgina Henry’s inane comment would be unbelievable if it did not so accurately reflect so many of her readers.
I used to read Koestler and Orwell (yes – that dates me) and wonder how it was that people could be forced into the alternate universes that these two writers described and predicted. What we see with the Guardian’s “dim bulbs” is that no forcing is needed – it is sufficient to have a certain world view, and certain biases, and the insanity follows.
It was also interesting to see how much of the abuse was directed specifically at Evans, rather than at what he wrote. “Shoot the messngr’ plays well on CiF when the message does not fit the GWV.
October 21, 2009 at 5:20 pm
MindTheCrap
Amazing: they actually have to check whether “ethical cretins” is acceptable. What is so difficult ?
October 21, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Topogigio
Regarding Michael Lerner,he does not like to talk about the dedication of one of his books. In that book, he made the dedication to “victims of the Nazi holocaust and victims of the United States military in VietNam”. Lerner had the audacity to liken the Unites States military to the Nazis of Adolf Hitler. If Lerner truly belives that there is no difference between Nazis rounding up Jews in Russia and forcing them into pits where they were shot and burned and the American soldiers in VietNam, then he is truly a disturbed and very bad man. I wonder how many victims of the Holocaust who managed to survive are still alive would share Lerner’s view that there was no difference between the Nazi guards at Aushwitz and an American farmboy from Iowa who was drafted and served in VietNam. I wonder if Lerner would have the guts to show his face at the VietNam memorial in Washington, D.C. and tell the veterans that they are no better than the Nazis at Aushwitz and Treblinka. Lerner does not advertise these days the poison that he wrote back in the day. Lerner can run but he can’t hide from what he said. Lerner made an immoral comparison and he is a man of no personal honor for having done so.
October 21, 2009 at 7:23 pm
John
..”Thanks to those of you who have raised the issue of Michael Lerner’s use of the phrase “choir of ethical cretins”. The intention was clearly not to offend in that he was using it in its colloquial sense, and in a general way.”
In what way is the term ‘choir of ethical cretins’ not offensive and what on earth is the ‘colloquial sense’ of the phrase? I can hardly wait to hear the ‘style editor’ opine on the matter.
Henry knows she has made a big mistake. She should, of course, have apologised to all those insulted especially to Harold Evans. Given that she cannot and will not apologise, she has chosen instead to rewrite the dictionary and Gower’s ‘Complete Plain Words’ (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Complete-Plain-Words-Ernest-Gowers/dp/0140511997).
It is very, very funny – and revealing – that she would rather make an insane fool of herself than admit that she and her staff have made a mistake – and one that concerns Harold Evans on the one hand and Lerner on the other.
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Meanwhile in another part of the forest: from this evening’s London Standard media column (not online):
“More upheaval at Guardian News & Media where managing director Tim Brooks, keen to cut losses running at £100,000 a day, has carried a purge of the board and is shutting its Guardian America website, launched with great fanfare two years ago. At least four board members are stepping down and two are leaving the company, including well-connected marketing chief Marc Sands. The departing directors are expected to receive significant pay-offs. More redundancies are expected on the commercial side of the business imminently, and GNM has already warned that it must cut at least 50 editorial positions. Meanwhile, Brooks and Observer editor John Mulholland lunched together yesterday, prompting talk that the slimmed-down austerity version of the Obs will debut soon.”
October 21, 2009 at 7:25 pm
sababa
From oalexander’s longer post on “Rabbi” Lerner’s thread 21 Oct 09, 4:34pm
“My general respect for Israel and the grand majority of its citizenry is lower than what I can afford for a cockroach.”
Would the mods have a problem with a response to oallie calling him an “ethical cretin”?
October 21, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Sid Bachrach
I know a good place for the Guardian to start pruning its staff and save some money: Tony Lerman. If Lerman were let go by the Guardian, it would save a good deal of ink, a good number of trees and and a good deal of newspaper space. That space could be used to actually report the news instead of being used by Tony Lerman to write his immature insults at the State of Israel. To paraphrase an old expression, Tony Lerman is a modest man but he has alot to be modest about.
October 21, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Unethical Rabbi
The Sharmuta is back and he has an article on CIF,it has something to do with Tony Blair and a rude balestinian
October 21, 2009 at 11:24 pm
conrad kurtz
Sid Bachrach is right on the money. If the Guardian had any journalistic interest other than Israel bashing, they would have more subscibers.
October 22, 2009 at 12:07 am
John Brown
John – very interesting news item. I’ve been noticing that the I/P columns on CIF, which seem to require more moderation than others, due mno doubt to the cretins commenting on them, close at the end of the day. I wondered if this was due to an attempt to keep “furriners” from commenting while the good people of Britain are deep asleep in order to restore themselves to renew the attack on Israel the next day, or if its due to budget cuts.
The latter, apparently.
Probably the good folks running CW could give him the names of some cretins and cockroaches to cut from his staff.
As for the thought of returning to pay Silverstein for his ridiculous blogs – assuming they pay what he’s worth, there’s a quick way to save two or three cents.
October 22, 2009 at 2:28 am
JerusalemMite
Sababa – ‘Would the mods have a problem with a response to oallie calling him an “ethical cretin”?’
On the bright side, ‘ethical cretin‘ can now be used to describe certain persons on CI(F).
I suddenly wondered, did Berchmans take this person to task with ‘No the ethical cretins on CI(F)‘
Of course, that would be kind of self destructive but I don’t think that he would notice.
Until after he had said it.
October 22, 2009 at 2:32 am
JerusalemMite
John – ”Thanks to those of you who have raised the issue of Michael Lerner’s use of the phrase “choir of ethical cretins”. The intention was clearly not to offend in that he was using it in its colloquial sense, and in a general way.”
When I use ‘social misfits’ to describe certain ethical cretins on CI(F), I am moderated. (cry – wail).
October 22, 2009 at 2:36 am
Fairplay
“Seth the sharmuta” was very good, ‘unethical rabbi’.
On his latest thread, which I peeked into just now, I found the egregious Moeran once more showing off his/her knowledge of the aread. What a laugh !
“Hebron; a city so tragic and so central to the Palestinian experience of dispossession, brutality and injustice that Blair had some nerve showing his face there.
Like Mr Freedman no doubt, I’ve walked those streets many times and observed the shuttered shops, closed by military order at the whim of the fundamentalist settlers and reached up to touch the netting that (almost) protects the shoppers from the missiles that are hurled at them as they try to live their ordinary lives.
How dare this apologist and perpetrator of war-crimes try to associate with the generous, decent and welcoming people of Hebron.
On my first visit, years ago, when I was apparently the only Christian there apart from the brave Christian Peacemakers, they- young and old- shouted to me, “Salaam alaikum! Welcome to Hebron!” and shared their coffee, their hopes and their tragedies with a foreigner who knew almost-almost- as little as Tony Blair.
I wonder why he wasn’t so well-received?
God be with them. ”
What an impudent piece of shit he/she is ! Since when was Hebron so important to Christians? He/she knows full well that under the ‘Balestinians, the Christians in the region have declined and left in droves.
October 22, 2009 at 2:39 am
Fairplay
“They’re burning shit on the Guardian” too.
October 22, 2009 at 4:27 am
Fairplay
“Hebron; a city so tragic and so central to the Palestinian experience of dispossession”
This putana lies as she types. It was the ancient Jewish community of Hebron that was so tragically massacred in 1929 – and now Jews are back in their ancestral home. There were no ancient ‘Palestinian’ Arab people back in 1929. Moron’s home is CiF where she belongs, along with pimps and racists.
Sometimes, it’s very therapeutic to use bad language at our enemies.
October 22, 2009 at 6:13 am
Lawrence
this is a wonderful website and you guys are doing a good job in exposing the Jew-hate vitriol at CiF, but I have a recommendation – why not expand your ‘watch’ to the Guardian as a whole. I mean the Guardian editors and journos themselves spill out so much vile and dishonest anti-Israel nonsense, including the justification and rationalisation and/or whitwashing of Palestinian terror, that this needs to be comprehensively exposed. Focusing soley on CiF is well perhaps overly focused. Why not focus on the Guardian newspaper as a whole, call yourselves ‘GuardianWatch’ with CiF as a sub-part of that?
It’s not only what the Guardian writes on Israel that needs to be exposed, it’s what they don’t write on the Jihad, not only the jihad against the Jews but the world-wide jihad.
October 22, 2009 at 12:15 pm
NormanF
The rare pro-Israel piece in the Guardian is I suppose, the paper’s way of defending its torrent of vituperation and abuse of the Jewish State on nearly all other occasions. But even that tiny attempt at bringing another perspective on the Middle East to its readers gets met with utter dismay and complete outrage. The only people not to be allowed to express their views it seems clear, are Israel’s friends.
October 22, 2009 at 12:18 pm
JerusalemMite
The only people not to be allowed to express their views it seems clear, are Israel’s friends.
Welcome to the club.
October 22, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Yohoho
Sid Bacrach, why stop at ridding itself of Lerman?
Why not go for the hat trick and rid itself of Georgina Henry and Matt Seaton too?
That’d go a fair way to restoring some of the Guardian’s reputation as a high-class newspaper as well as saving it some money.
The second wave of redundancies should include Shameless Milne and Sethele Freedman, which would go to saving its reputation as a fair presenter of world affairs.
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