ACTION ALERT: BOYCOTT THE FREEDMAN THREAD

Thanks I’ve now boycotted it and will boycott it again later. ISRAEL NEEDS HELP IT IS INCUMBENT ON US ALL TO DO ALL WE CAN TO HELP HER SURVIVE

The only way to make the world see the truth is by the tireless efforts of good people like yourselves. ISRAEL THANKS YOU FROM THE BOTTOM OF HER HEART AND RECOGNISES YOUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE WAR ON HATE. AM YISROEL CHAI – PI PI PI PI PIII – AMEN.

“few would begrudge Palestinians airing their grievances against their oppressors”?

Absolutely true but where are the actions against Hamas and Fatah?

protest and been met with violence by their colonial occupiers?

As paCIFism said:
(06 Oct 09, 9:19am)

Once the palestinian,and Arab occupation of the Lands of Israel ends, there will peace in the ME.When the palestinians decide that violence gets them nowhere there will be peace in the ME.

When the palestinians stop being intransigent,stop adopting extreme and uncompromising positions, there will be peace in the ME.

And when the palestinians accept at last the generous peace offers made to them by Israel.The elusive peace that Israeli’s crave for will be a reality.

It’s not the first time that I’ve seen outspoken support for terrorism on CiF. The comment will most likely be deleted, but the commenter Moeron will never be banned.

He’s one of those who can do no evil- only supporting violence against Israelis, so what? It’s called “resistence”, dummy!

As long as Moeran only posts on CiF, he can’t be getting up to any serious mischief. I wouldn’t be suprised if Mossad, MI5 already knew his whereabouts.

Israel is a very useful scapegoat for the morons of this world.
CiF is their daily prayer-meeting, much like CW has become mine.

Boker tov to Fairplay in Europe.
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I was amused by this posting by our friend?? Berchmans
## violence against worshippers planning to pray at Judaism’s holiest site, , is a disgraceful way to demonstrate against the Israeli authorities, ##

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It is also cowardly, counter productive and unIslamic. I have never seen anyone on his side talk of violence as being un-Islamic before

Keo wants the Palestinians to threaten us with peaceful protest.
What result does s/he expect?

–Perhaps we will give them guardianship of our most sacred place?
–Perhaps we will treat them in our hospitals?
–Perhaps we will make treaties with them though they have been the losers in all the wars?
–Perhaps we will give them the whole Gaza strip, withdrawing all our farms and farmers?
–Perhaps we will give them the respect they show us?

Fairplay

As long as Moeran only posts on CiF, he can’t be getting up to any serious mischief. I wouldn’t be suprised if Mossad, MI5 already knew his whereabouts.

I don’t think that he must be taken so seriously. He is a big hero hiding behind the back of small children (pun intended) but he never will participate in any direct action where his invaluable skin could be damaged.
CIF supplies a very important public service giving a safety valve for his kind of persons, who knows – lack of a public forum for venting their hate maybe could cause the slow death by poison of their neighbors pet?

Here’s an interesting comment that reveals Moeran’s deep knowledge of the area:

Moeran

06 Oct 09, 9:28am (about 3 hours ago)

Isn’t this the ethnically-cleansed part of Al Quds that, not long ago, was the Morrocan Quarter?

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a) Thre never was nor is a “Moroccan Quarter” – there was and is a Jewish Quarter

b) The Temple Mount was never used as a rresidential area, and therefore was never “ethnically cleansed”

c) the Wakf is in chargeof the Temple Mount, and they deny – or would like to deny – access only to one group – Jews.

AKUS:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mughrabi_Quarter

Right, good old Seth tried hard to come up with a “balanced” piece, in the process contradicting quite a few things he said in some of his previous rants against the “racist” Joooooos, excuse me, Zionist fundamentalist supremacists, and their entirely outrageous utterly evil designs to “Jewify” one of Islam’s most holy sites!!!
Amazingly, he even discovered that the Temple Mount was left under Muslim control in 1967 — I wonder how he’s going to square this with his GWV.
But this was a mistake, because Israel should have insisted from the very beginning on some joint control; even this would have been more than generous given how the Jordanians handled matters. And of course Seth, who is so famous for his good manners, was delicate enough not to really mention that until today, there are countless Muslim and Palestinian “dignitaries” who insist that there never ever was a temple, and that Jerusalem was never ever Jewish; and this year there was some ridiculous campaign to designate Jerusalem “capital of Arab culture” or some such thing.

The Elder of Ziyon had a few good blogposts on the recent riots, with some nice fotos; he also had some good “Quds Day” offerings with a compilation that illustrates just how uninterested the Muslim world was in Al Aqsa and Jerusalem before 1967.

b752i – thanks – I hastily assumed that the reference was to a (non-existent) Jewish Moroccan quarter occupied by the Jordanians after 1948.

The wiki link says:

The quarter was donated to and mainly inhabited by people of Moroccan descent, who held on to their culture in the way of food, clothing and traditions until the neighborhood became assimilated with the rest of the Old City in the 19th century.[citation needed] Thus it also became a natural place of stay to Moroccans who came on pilgrimage to the al-Aqsa Mosque.

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Its worth reading the whole aritcle, which is quite interesting. It includes the following example fo ethnic cleansing, overlooked by the “Moerans” of the world:

After the 1929 Palestine riots, Great Britain appointed a commission under the approval of the League of Nations to settle the issue. The Commission again reaffirmed the status quo, while placing certain restrictions on activities, including forbidding Jews from conducting the Yom Kippur prayers, which involved the blowing of the Shofar, and Muslims from carrying out the Zikr ceremony (the playing of music) close to the wall or to cause annoyance to the Jews.[3]

During the 1948 Arab-Israeli War Israeli and Jordanian forces fought in the area until the former were defeated and expelled along with 1,500 Jewish civilians from the adjacent Jewish Quarter.[6] The quarter, with the rest of the Old City, passed into the hands of Jordan. While under Jordanian rule, a third of the Jewish Quarter, overlooking the Moroccan Quarter and Western Wall, was razed to the ground.

This may be a double post (sorry) – or I messed up my original post:

Freedman seems to have stopped getting his views about Israel solely from Ha’aretz or Palestineremembered. I expect riots to break out across the world when Moslems read the following sentence, horribly politically incorrect:

The Temple Mount is, arguably, even more important to Jews than it is to Muslims, and as such there is a heavy onus on both sides to tread carefully when attempting to share the site.</

The Temple Mount – even more important to Jews? Feh!

Freedman – here is the correct version from the talkback blog on Ha’aretz – probably one of papalagi’s cousins!!

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1118873.html#resp

Title: Who is realy to Blame

Name: Hussein

City: Houston State: Texas
As usual you always blame the victims after all they are goyim, Well the herds of settler and the Israeli Government is to blame. This is all orchestrated, closing all the gates twice except one to allow the settlers to rush in backed by thousands of Border patrol and police officers who just happens to be there. You are trying to create facts on the ground as a first step to a temple that never was. All you dinging did not find a single evidence. The Jewish Philosopher, Josephus in the 3rd century said there never was one.This behavior will guarantee a 3rd intifada and victims on both sides.

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No Temple? Despite all that “dinging”?

What did the Babylonians and Romans (and now the Wakf) destroy?

Josephus – 3rd Century? Jesus was resurrected, they say – he did not live three hundred years …

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Hussein’s a fellow who the Guardian should get in touch with to write the next I/P article, not namby-pamby history revisionists like Freedman. Hussein definitely shares the GWV.

PS – you have to love the veiled threat in the last sentence – so typical of peace-loving Moslems. “If you don’t do what we say – our violence will be your fault”!!!

Oy – sorry about the mixed up html stuff – “moderators” – if you can, please correct it!!

Guess what guys. I am famous. Berchmans is quoting me on the cif site, naturally it is partially enough to skew the meaning but what could you have expected?.
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Oct 09, 1:28pm (5 minutes ago)

Margie wrote on the Guardian Cifs “sister site”:

Heh! Seth! you read the comments about our not responding on thread and decided to do a pro-Israeli one. But you didnt quite make it.

http://cifwatch.com/2009/10/06/action-alert-boycott-the-freedman-thread/#comments

Yes Margie, no doubt about it, Seth’s article is a reasonably faithful pro-Israel one. Why on earth would anyone have wanted to boycott it-
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He gave the URL so anyone who wishes to could read the explanation, even if Berchmans didn’t understand it, you might:
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What you forgot to mention in this piece is the fact that during the Jordan occupation not one Jew was allowed to set foot in the holy city and yet when the Jews took it over you say they ”rescinded” control (I think you mean ”ceded” control) to the Wakf in a spirit of more than even handedness and reconciliation. This is a vital piece in the puzzle you left out showing that Israel wishes to work with Islam and not against it and yet the Wakf and the worshippers deny Jews the same grace and the same generosity that we showed them.

Then you go on to talk of Israel’s belligerent leaders but you forget to mention the belligerent leaders on the other side. Straighten up and fly right or even in the middle Seth and you might get there.

Now Jordan (and the US) are calling on Israel not to allow Jews to enter the Temple Mount to ease the violence!

Personally, I think it is an unnecessary provocation for Jews to go there and pray but in reality, why should Jews – and only Jews – not be allowed on the Temple Mount?

Imagine the riots that would break out if Israel and the US called on Saudi Arabia not to allow Moslems to enter Mecca – or called on the PA not to allow Moslems to enter the Temple Mount!

Today Seth Freedman seems to be running a little scared. He wants to pull back just a little bit from his nonstop caricature of Israel as an endlessly racist state, which opposes “race mixing”. The previous Freedman column which portrayed Israelis as being obsessed with race, much as the Nazi Germans were, was a new low even for Freedman. He could actually come up with only a few nutty people who were involved in opposing interreligious or interfaith marriages. So Freedman had to extrapolate from a handful of people out of six million that Israel was the new Nazi Germany. So today he tries to pull back just a little from that ridiculous opinion and tries to show that although he agrees that Israel is the aggressor in the conflict and although the Palestinians are all angelic, he (Seth) is willing to criticize the Arab side, although you can tell Freedman’s heart is not in it. His only real enthusiasm is for his hate Israel tirades.

PeterParker – Anyway, I might go back to the trenches under a different name.

Welcome.

What a great set of posts. Well done all on CiFWatch. Good to see some principle suspects getting a mention, in particular Moeron, who I often ticked off about quoting Jenin as if it were anything other than just another big, Pallywood lie.

Welcome Peter Parker to the realm of the banned. The banner (no pun intended) on CiF should really read Comment is Free, (unless you disagree with GWV). Given some of the types posting there, perhaps Arbeit macht Frei would feel more in keeping.

Good too to show the delightful Seth Freedman what people other than his fawning anti Israel crowd think of him.

cityca – Good too to show the delightful Seth Freedman what people other than his fawning anti Israel crowd think of him

I’m sure that he knows already. The big difference is that on this forum the mods will not do his bidding.

b752i says “Is Seth’s turning over a new leaf or is this an inadvertant slip ?”

Seth isn’t turning over a new leaf, b752i. He’s doing what he does best, cobbling together rubbish in the hope that it will appeal to his masters on CiF.

peterthehungarian, I am not so sure about CiF performing a valuable service for the likes of Moeron, as a safety valve. How do we know that it is working?

PeterParker, welcome to the club! At this rate there will be no intelligent posters left. Keep visiting and supporting CW, though. Best of luck with reinventing yourself – after all if talknic is allowed to do so and Kartoony was then why shouldn’t you?

JerusalemMite

When you’re heavily outnumbered on the battlefield and the enemy enjoys strategic depth, keeping your command-and-control structure intact is how you even the odds in your favor.

Oh dear

Sethele’s thread is now closed.

Oh Booo Hooo.

To SilverTrees,

Seth Freeman is a nudnik above all. He has no record of accomplishment in Israel , none whatsoever. Someone like him has no business telling others which way is up here.

To Seth Freedman,

Lifnei iver lo titen michshol.

I can’t say that I’m keeping up with Freedman’s quantitative output, but what’s amazing to me is that apparently, his fans think he’s a lefty. I’m quite sure that in the early times, he once said that he has friends who made a lot of money on 9/11, and it just so happens that he also said that he has enough money so that he doesn’t really need to work… so I’ve always wondered if he was among those buddies in the City who were quick enough to take advantage of 9/11. Anyway, he also wrote occasional pieces on the stockmarket, and the few I saw were always about the poor misunderstood stockbrokers who shouldn’t be maligned (then the next day it was the poor Palestinians….) So how does it square for his fans: a guy who speaks up one day for stockbrokers and the next for the Palestinians — and then gets praise for all his “humanity” and his progressive views?